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Another Sign Of The End Times

Do any of you see this pope's death as another sign of the end of times? I know there is no "definite" answer and I am just wanting thoughts/opinions. My thinking is that the next pope (or possibly the one after) could very well be the false prophet.

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On this subject, not being a Catholic, but very familier with its traditions, some of the blogs are rediculous!
The Pope was a world leader, ASIDE from the church. He was an honest loving man who wanted what is best for the world. He was allowed to visit and talk to people no one else could. I was touched seeing him at the Wailing Wall putting in the slip of paper between the stones apologizing for how Christians had treated Jews over history.
---Kathay on 7/6/07

Anon: The Jews are just regular people, albeit God's people. They will follow anyone who will bring them peace and safety and that's what the first job of the AntiChrist will be. If the Jewish people follow this person, the rest of the world, including Christians, will follow too. But it won't last long.
---Steveng on 11/27/06

I don't know about you but does the false prophet have to be the pope? I don't see that in scripture.
---Jared on 11/27/06

It will be someone much closer to the unrest, right in the middle of it all. He will have solutions and charisma. Age will be a factor. He will be a counterfeit of Christ in every way.
---Anonymous on 11/25/06

I don't believe the pope will ever be the antichrist or the false prophet. The Jew would not be led astray from someone in the RCC. It will be someone not connected to the RCC in any way.
---Anon on 11/24/06

r.w. The tribe of Dan represents Denmark or the Dan-ish people I think the Pope is German and that is the tribe of Gad Gen49:19.
I dont know if this Pope will be part of the end time problems however I read that the Temple is to be rebuilt in Jeruselam 07/08, and will be constructed on the Mt of Olives, the place Yahushua returns to, and splits the mountain in half.Zec14:4 Take care of yourself read Luke 21:36 1 Thes2:12
---Toby on 11/24/06

does the new pope coming from the tribe of dan mean anything. if he did
---r.w. on 11/22/06

Hi, I can't say that I know a lot about the Bible, unfortunately. However, I do believe that no matter what religion there is only one way to heaven and that is to ask and accept Jesus into your heart believe that he died on the cross and confess your sins then repent and turn to Him. I believe that you can't work your way into heaven. It seems pretty clear to me that no matter what religion there is one and only one way to heaven. Take care and God Bless!
---Kristi on 8/1/06

I dont understand how Christians/Catholics can think there religion is IT when there reading a modified VERSION of the original Bible.
---hebrew_hammer on 7/2/06

Your question assumes the Bishop of Rome has special prophetic and spiritual significance.

He doesn't, even though he's been a favorite target of "Pin the Tail on the Beast."
---Jack on 5/28/05

Signs of the end Matthew 24:4-29 Mark 13:5-25
The antichrist 1Jn 2:18 4:3-23
The corner stone is Jesus Psalm 118:22,23 Matthew 21:42 Acts 4:10-12
Jesus is the chief corner stone Eph2:20 1Peter 2:6-8
Jesus is the rock 2 Sam 22:2,3,32,47 Psalms 18:2,31 62:2,6,7 Matthew 16:18 Romans 9:33 1Corinthians 10:4
---Ulrika on 5/14/05

Annie ... OK Annie, it was an exaggeration ... no physical violence, but it is quite exciting verbally, and it does get personal sometimes.
---Alan_of_U.K. on 5/5/05

Alan: Can I ask you a question? Do you honestly feel "violently" attacked by these blogs? Your wording about how others "attack" and such disturbs me. When I speak the truth (via scripture references), I truly am not "violently attacking" anyone! I'm saying what I say with love and great compassion that those who are so lost will come to see truth. That maybe they will read the scripture I cite and learn. I do not believe Christians should sit back quietly when false doctrine is being proliferated on innocent souls. I just wanted you to know ... I'm not attacking.
---Annie on 5/1/05

Alan- Yes I have read some of your response about the Catholic church and thank you, I also answers back your question and thought it was good enough for you to understand.
---ruben on 5/1/05

Ruben ... if yuo read my contributions to these various Blogs which seem to finish attacking the Roman Catholic Church, you will see that whilst I may criticise and not accept some of its doctrine and practice, I have always supported it as Christian Church.

This with the result that some of the extreme anti-Catholic contributors have attacked me almost as violently as they have attacked the Roman church.

I believe we are Christian brothers, with much more uniting us than dividing us.
---Alan_of_U.K. on 4/30/05

Ruben ... I know you do not mean to "dance" ... but I so often find that hwne I make a point, you just quote scriptures back ... and I find it difficult to read these as supporting your view, and you don't explain why you believe they do.
---Alan_of_U.K. on 4/30/05

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Annie-Alan- Why am I always wrong and you guys are right, please enlight me.Who told you that the BIBLE is the truth and how do you know that the bible is something we are suppose to go by.Alan I have answer all of the questions you ask, never DANCE around them.Just did not answer them the way you wanted me to.
---ruben on 4/29/05

Alan: No, I would not say Ruben is a liar. I don't like to call people names. I may call what I hear a lie (doctrines of RCC), but not the people. God will decide about all of us in that regard. Ruben is misguided and misinformed and needs our prayers for enlightenment. God Bless.
---Annie on 4/26/05

Hi again Annie ...

I really like what you say about Ruben "dancing round questions" That's just what I have felt about him!

BUT, I have no doubt he is honest in his beliefs, in spite of his inability to give what we would regard as a straight answer.

So as I reckon he is honest, I would not call him a liar
---Alan_of_U.K. on 4/26/05

Hi Annie ... Sorry, I didn't mean to suggest that you claimed to "know" about these signs and what they mean. For 2000 years people have thought the end was very near, and I remember when I was young (many years ago) the sandwich board men saying the end is nigh.

I am not convinced that the present happenings are any more convincing that those things which people have observed and experienced over the centuries.

& I do not believe that God wants us to know when, otherwise we would be behaving ourselves only because we thought the second coming was very near!
---Alan_of_U.K. on 4/26/05

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Alan: I do not claim to "know" when Jesus will return. It is a simple guess. I know scripture says he will come like a thief in the night -- but He also gives clues to the end of time, don't you agree? I was just commenting that it seems like another "sign" -- nothing more. :) I still stand by what I say. The scripture Ruben has listed explains nothing of what he proclaims. He dances around questions. He has yet to proof one solid thing with scripture.
---Annie on 4/23/05

There is Annie also the way in which their critics ridicule and throw abuse at the RCC.

I happen to think yuo are wrong in yuor question to think that we can possibly assess when the end of times will be. We are told that Jesus will return as a thief in the night ... how can we out-guess God as to when this will be?

But I do not attempt to ridicule you or abuse you because of your belief.
---Alan_of_U.K. on 4/23/05

Annie ... if you read what Ruben says, you will find he quotes lots of scriptural verses.

I do not agree with the interpretaion that the RCC puts on them, but neither do I agree with some of the interpretations put on scripture by some of the fundamentalists here.

I call neither liars
---Alan_of_U.K. on 4/23/05

Alan: You said that RCC "thinks they have scriptural support"???? If that were true, why can they not produce it? Instead, they produce "church doctrine". They do KNOW that what they say is not scriptural, but instead they say that their popes and higher ups know more than scripture. I whole heartedly believe they know they are being deceptive. So -- yes, I still believe they teach lies!
---Annie on 4/23/05

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That is kind of you, Laura. I try to take a balanced view in these debates. I find that sometimes one side will, perhaps deliberately, misinterpret what the other side has said, or maybe it is just through reading it too fast and not re-reading to get the real meaning.

I am saddened by the anger and hostility which often intrudes into these discussions.

We are after all Christians ... although some would deny that some others are.
---Alan_of_U.K. on 4/23/05

Again it is the meaning of the word.

I regard a lie as saying something which you know is untrue, which yuo do not believe yourself. It is therefore deliberately and maliciously designed to deceive.

The RCC believes certain things. . Although we say these things are not supported by the Bible, they think they do have scriptural support.

Since they are honest in their belief, I do not call it lying.
---Alan_of_U.K. on 4/23/05

Alan of UK, just so you know, I like your blog responses.
---Laura on 4/22/05

Alan: Perhaps I am not "politically correct" about not wanting to step on toes when I speak the truth. I don't mean to be harsh, but I cannot call what RCC teaches "errors". I see them as outright lies -- totally unsupported by scripture. An error could be a typo or something we do accidentally. I don't believe they teach these lies accidentally. They have made up the rules as they go and have strayed from scripture. Saying Mary was assumed into heaven is a lie and cannot be substantiated.
---Annie on 4/21/05

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Annie ... A lie is a thing which you say, while knowing it is untrue.

I say "The Pope is not infallible" and I say "It is wrong to pray to Mary"

Those are my beliefs. Now I am sure that Emcee, Ruben or our other RCC friends here would not have the discourtesy to call me a liar ... they would say I was in error.

I trust we can have similar courtesy in return when we comment on other peoples' beliefs. The RCC honestly believes those things which you say are lies ... I say errors
---Alan_of_U.K. on 4/21/05

Alan: I say lies because that is what RCC teaches. They teach: Mary was assumed into heaven (i.e. no physical death); that the pope is infallible; that Mary is the Mediator (when, in fact it is JESUS alone!); that Mary was without sin, etc. I could go on and on, but I'm sure you get my meaning here. These are not just "errors", they are out and out lies that are totally unsubstantiated with scripture. RCC perpetuates these lies through their "pope" (and he is allowed to change the rules as he goes). I just call 'em as I see 'em. A lie is a lie.
---Annie on 4/20/05

Trouble with your statement about God never changes is that means our interpretaion of His rules can never change ... but they have ... consider slavery, race, class, smoking, and the changed attitudes to each of these.

Your present views are toitally different to what pertained say 60 years ago (except slavery which was longer ago)

I'm not saying RCC doctrines are right but we have to be careful, before making some statements
---Alan_of_U.K. on 4/20/05

Annie ... but you are presumptuous to try to define born again ... it does not necessarily have to be a sudden flash ... it may come from a gradual realisation.

And you say the RCC teaches lies ... I think what it teaches are errors rather than lies (that word implies deliberate malicious intent to misinform)

I have been to some f8undamental congregations, and I do not find them uplifting at all. There is a certain amount of each to his own, and God has many different ways of reaching people via different Christian denominations.
---Alan_of_U.K. on 4/20/05

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Alan: I C what you are saying, but scripture is clear that 1 must be born again.Following false doctrine & a denom. that doesn't adhere 2 scripture, but rather 2 "tradition" will unlikely lead a person to being saved.If you are told outright lies from birth, it'll be difficult 4 U 2 see truth once it is revealed.RCC mixes in enough "religion" 2 fool followers. RCC follows "doctrines" and the pope can change the rules whenever he feels the need. God is the same now and forever -- without need of His commandments being changed or anyone "updating" His law.
---Annie on 4/19/05

Annie ... the fact that you never saw new christians being welcomed, or adults baptised, could be because the constant and early learning and understanding gained from what you call just repetitions brought the people to a knowledge and acceptance of Jesus as saviour, without the need for a sudden conversion experience.

I have to say that I have never had a blinding conversion ... my faith was gradually built up, until it was a natural part of me.

Maybe this happens in the RCC too
---Alan_of_U.K. on 4/19/05

Albert: I won't argue on this. Perhaps the priests did say the words w/ all the other repititions, but it never sounded like a calling.There was never an altar call.There was never anyone professing to have found God through any of these scripted prayers. Never.The priest never spoke of a new believer coming forward to accept Christ.I never saw an adult baptized. It just always seemed that if you were a catholic, by that you are saved. It was nothing like my church now that celebrates new Christians and you can see people become transformed right before your eyes! It is an amazing experience.
---Annie on 4/19/05

Annie, you may want to borrow a missal and read the Mass prayers again. I used to study for a priest and believe, me, I know exactly what prayers are recited in the Mass. There is also a reading from anywhere in the Bible (The Epistle) plus a reading from one of the gospels.

Re preaching - priests and ministers all have their own style of preaching but, the salvation has always been the end target of the sermon.
---Albert on 4/19/05

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Nancy ... I have found web-sites relating to St Malachy's prophesies.

They are far from convincing to me anyway. (I suggest you just type in "malachy" and you will find the sites..
---Alan_of_U.K. on 4/18/05

I have heard that a St. Malachy in the 12th Century predicted correctly all the popes until Christ's return. This next one is the next to the last one. n.s.5684
---Nancy on 4/18/05

Albert: I attended catholic mass for 8 years with my now ex-husband. He is catholic. I learned A LOT by going AND I studied after we divorced since he wanted to raise our childen as catholics and I did not (they are now born again Christians, praise the Lord!!!). I know quite a bit about the mass and never, not once did the priest (at several churches) tell us how to become saved. Not once. The prayers were repititions that the crowd responded to (the words were in a book for us to recite back). They were not prayers of asking the Lord into our hearts, I can assure you of that!
---Annie on 4/18/05

Annie, in many cases, priests teach about how to get saved and various prayers in the Mass ask the Lord to come into my hearts. I don't know where you're getting all the info you are using to "illuminate" us.
---Albert on 4/18/05

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Alan: Since I was not catholic, I was not permitted to take communion at mass. I wasn't a Christian then either though, so it didn't really bother me. Let me ask you though, if I now attended a mass as a saved Christian -- would I be "allowed" to have communion? If not, why not? Because only catholics are saved according to RCC?
---Annie on 4/17/05

Annie ... if the RCC Mass is anything like the Anglican Communion service (and I think it probably is) there is pleanty in the words av=bout repentance, and all the other elements that lead to salvation.
---Alan_of_U.K. on 4/16/05

Alan: Yes, works are a natural result of acceptance of Christ. I agree. I have also attended mass. Not once was there an altar call or the priest telling us sinners how to become saved! It was all about doing the sacraments and attending their church. That was all that was needed. They baptize babies who don't understand what baptism is. I remember mass well. Not once did a priest tell the congregation to ask the Lord into their hearts. It was all pomp and circumstance. It was repetitive prayers, kneeling before statues, etc. How will any of that save?
---Annie on 4/15/05

Annie ... yes those things seem wrong to us.

But there is still one great thing which unites the RCC denomination and the rest of Christendom, and that is the belief that Christ died for our sins, and whatever you say about works, the RCC does not, as far as I am aware, teach that these alone can get you into heaven.

All Christians show show works, they are a natural result of acceptance of Christ's great gift.
---Alan_of_U.K. on 4/15/05

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Emcee: Sacraments are nothing more than good works. Works will NOT get you to heaven. Popes and catholicism in general do NOT follow scripture. Examples: Pope is "infallible", Pope is the "vicar of Christ", infant baptism, Mary being immaculately conceived herself and without original sin, Mary as intercessor, purgatory, praying to "saints", praying for the dead, statues that people bow to .... shall I go on? Sooo much of catholic doctrine goes directly AGAINST scripture, so yes ... it seems logical that a pope will be the false prophet.
---Annie on 4/14/05

Annie your question was asking for thoughts & opinions& wanting to know if the next pope could possibly be the False prophet. So you have fixed in your mind that one of the popes that follow will be False.Could you please tell me how you based your theory on that statement?The Catholic church& its following is all FOR christ. You are looking For an ANTI christ So you are looking in the wrong Place#1:#2the sacraments to which you so lightly refer were all instituted by Christ, the main one being the Holy Eucharist "he who eats my body & drinks my blood I live in him & he in Me"
---Emcee on 4/13/05 did a perfect job of explaning that verse. So sad...but just have to shake the dust from your feet. A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still. There are none so blind as those that will not see.
---Mercy on 4/13/05

# 4 It finishes rather confusingly, becasue it varies from the earlier suggestion, that it is the faith like Peter's that is the foundatiuon of Christ's kingdom.

This summarises what the Life Application Study Bible (based on NIV ... sorry folks) says
---Alan_of_U.K. on 4/13/05

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# 3 Peter later (1 Peter 2 vv 4-6 reminds Christians that they are the church built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Jesus as the cornerstone

All Believers are joined into this church by faith... the same faith that Peter expressed here.
---Alan_of_U.K. on 4/13/05

# 2 It goes on to suggest most likely is 2 ... ie Peter as leader of the church in Jerusalam (rather than as ther character)

Just as Peter had revealed the identity of Jesus, so Jesus revealed Peter's identity and role.
---Alan_of_U.K. on 4/13/05

# 1 I looked at my study Bible and found comment which I summarise now

The Rock on which the church built identified as 3 possibles
1 Jesus (or rather His work of salvation)
2 Peter (as first leader of the church at Jerusalem)
3 the confession of faith that Peter and all subsequent Christians would make
---Alan_of_U.K. on 4/13/05

Eloy, I read that several times in my life and to me and to many others it's crystal clear.
---Albert on 4/13/05

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Albert, this is why it is important to keep verses in context. i always recommend reading 5 verses before and 5 verses after the quoted verse- and sometimes a chapter before and after. i will end with this truth; and, will you see the light? The passage is about Jesus' identity. Peter gave the correct identity of Jesus, and so Jesus said to Peter, "Upon this Rock" i will build my church. What Rock? The correct identity of Jesus- that Rock.
---Eloy on 4/13/05

Hi- Matt. 16:19 - only Peter receives the keys, which represent authority over the Church and facilitate dynastic succession to his authority. Yes scripture said about PETER mother-inlaw, but nothing about his wife maybe she had already pass away when Jesus said I will built my church to PETER, he also told PETER to FEED MY LAMPS,TEND MY SHEEP and FEED MY SHEEP. And finally Jesus told PETER that SATAN has demanded to sift all of you like wheat, but I have prayed that your own faith may not fail and ONCE you have turned back, YOU must STRENGTHEN your brothers!
---ruben on 4/12/05

Alan of U.K.: Thank you for coming to my defense there with Albert. He must not have seen your name in the heading of my response. Very kind of you to stick up for me like that. Thank you for your compassion.
---Annie on 4/12/05

Jesus is the Only way, the truth and the Life. How on earth there could be other that will take his place? How could any of His Apostles? None of them would not dare to do so. Check Acts, the Apostles declared they worked or moved ONLY in the Name of Jesus.
---Pek on 4/12/05

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Albert ... do not chastise Annie. She was merely responding to my enquiry.
---Alan_of_U.K. on 4/12/05

Annie, please argue with Matthew and not with us. He wrote that statment!!!
---Albert on 4/12/05

Alan of U.K. Yes, Peter was married. His wife's mother is referred to (Matt. 8:14; Mark 1:30; Luke 4:38). His name was Simon too at one point.
---Annie on 4/12/05

Was Peter married?
---Alan_of_U.K. on 4/12/05

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And since catholics call Peter their first "pope", do they know that he was MARRIED? Being the case, then why did they change that?

And to "seriously", Amen brother! Bowing down, kissing a ring and kneeling are all forms of worship! So is praying to "saints". That is soooo sac-religious, it just isn't funny. I was ill a few weeks ago and a catholic friend of mine said he would pray to St. Christopher (or some such "saint").
---Annie on 4/12/05

Eloy: You are sooo right. This is where catholics are so confused. Here is the verse copied directly from the bible: Matthew 16:18 - "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Peter is but a pebble compared to Christ. Peter does mean "a mass of rock detached from the living rock". The LIVING ROCK (i.e. Christ) was what the church was to be built upon.
---Annie on 4/12/05

Emcee: 1.2 billion. And because they are "catholic" from the "one true church" does that mean they will all go to heaven since they have done their "sacraments"? What about this from scripture: Matthew 7:14 - "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Perhaps a good bible study may help?
---Annie on 4/12/05

and then Christ continued:

Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
---Albert on 4/12/05

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Here's the precise wording:

Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

"and upon this rock" - He was speaking to Peter whom he called "Peter" = "Rock".

Why try to interpret a clear quotation?
---Albert on 4/12/05

Albert, you are corrupting the scriptures when you say that Jesus said, "upon you" Peter I will build my church. Jesus Never said that at all to Peter, on the contrary he literally said verbatim, "upon this rock" I will build my church. What rock? the rock is, "Jesus, you are the Christ, the Son of God live". According to Scripture that is the only rock that God's victorious church is built on, and according to the Scriptures when any other rock is used it will be sinking sand.
---Eloy on 4/12/05

Annie there are so many conclusions when we as ordinary people try to interpret the Bible true Jesus Christ is THE ROCK but speakin as the rock he is delegating power to his successor, who is Peter the first Pope. which is evident as he is buried in Rome in the year 67AD.This was predicted by JESUS before HIS Ascension that HIS church the universal church still stands to date scripture is NOT wrong & attests to the fact that there are 1.2Billion catholics in that same church today & increasing "the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it".He is the shepard & we are his sheep.
---Emcee on 4/11/05

Albert, if bowing and kneeling isn't an act of worship....what is?
---seriously on 4/11/05

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Majority of Jews are still awaiting the coming of the Messiah to take control of the world. Jesus is not recognised as their Messiah. So another one from Davidic line will be born like a prince and brought up to weild great influence and power. I could not imagine of any other that can take that place.
---Pek on 4/11/05

I don't really know according to bibical prophecy if the pope's death is another link in prophecy.We live in a physical world after all. We all get old, eventually go the way of dust. One thing I am assured of is this pope, whoever he may be,he will have I believe a huge mandate to fufill in the eyes of the church and the world. If the signs of the times are correct which as they say of old, all roads lead to Rome, in this case all signs lead toward the end times then yes he is the man of the hour and will have a huge part to play in the world's coming events as leader of the Catholic church.
---sharon on 4/11/05

This is as clear as crystal. "Peter" means rock.
Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
---Albert on 4/11/05

Emcee: Peter was no such first pope and the ROCK that the church is built on is JESUS -- not some pope! That "interpretation" is soooo off base. Jesus was telling Peter that Jesus was to be the ROCK, NOT Peter. That is why Christians try so hard to show them the light. They are worshipping the wrong person! Why would someone believe that the church was to be built around a mere mortal man and NOT around Jesus??? It can't be both ways. God Bless.
---Annie on 4/11/05

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Bowing and kneeling for someone is NOT worshiping that someone but it's displaying respect. Do the Brits worship their Queen?

Annie, you and others have a lot to learn about the Catholic Church. Learn one thing of which I am very sure: The RCC adores God alone, no ifs, no buts, no eception. Read some of the Pope's sermons and see what he says and what he preaches or better, preached.
---Albert on 4/11/05

When Peter answered Jesus saying, that Jesus was God's Son live, then Jesus replied to Peter, ...on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell will not have prevailing power against it. Jesus did not say, On you Peter i will build my church, but instead he was saying, On this rock of truth that Peter voiced i will build my church. What truth? The truth that Jesus is the Son of God live. Jesus alone is the Rock, and not Peter or any other person, other then Jesus. Jesus alone was and is and always will be the church's founding cornerstone.
---Eloy on 4/11/05

It disturbs me that so many people think catholics "worship" the pope. Catholics do not worship the pope or Mary, mother of jesus or anyone else other than God almighty.
---PEGGY on 4/11/05

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