Purgatory, Heaven Or Hell
If there is no purgatory and we go to be with Jesus at the time of death, heaven or hell. Is this the time we stand before Jesus and He says you blessed enter the Kingdom... or get cast into the lake of fire? So the dead are already judged?
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---Linda on 4/12/05
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I believe when we die, we either rest in the Lord or go to Hades until the day of the resurrection. Time is irrelevant to God. When you wake up from a deep sleep, it seems like you were only asleep momentarily. There are two resurrections. The first resurrection is of all of God's people who have died while walking with the Lord, as well as the rapture of those of us who are still alive who believe in Jesus. The second resurrection accures after the 1000 year reign of Christ, in which the dead are raised to face the judgement throne, and that's when Jesus will seperate the sheep from the goats! Bahahahahad goat! Rev 20:4-6 and then Rev 20:11-15 God bless! |
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---BryanG on 2/7/09 |
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where are those similar people today, those who oppose Jesus and HIS Church,Who so vehemenently opposes the RCC His doctrine and why?
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nobody opposes rcc they are PROGRAMMED to believe EVERYONE opposes
rcc has LARGEST membership ...most wealthy religious system on earth
COMPARE to Christ who tells us HIS Flock is LITTLE ....many forget that Christ preached to many thousands who walked away ...120 left on day of Pentacost
NO OPPOSITION to rcc ...Truth is unchanging MANY STAND up for Gods Truth in His Holy Bible ...rcc does not follow Gods Truth choosing Constantine christianity who slapped Christ over pagan tradition
purgatory ...another pagan practice unsupported by Gods Truth |
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---Rhonda on 10/10/08 |
Purgatory existed up and until Jesus went into the earth and sat the captive free. The captives were in Purgatory Or Paradise. The captives or believers were seen in Jerusalem on their way to heaven. Purgatory no longer existed after Jesus took the keys of the kingdom from satan and released the believers who were in purgatory. Purgatory was were satan held the believers in prison.
It was a part of hell if you will,but not punished by fire etc. |
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---Jim on 10/10/08 |
Lawrence:- Believe what you wish but it is 'not' the truth.Who were the ELDERS in the time of Jesus ?why did the Scribes and Pharisees always have a bone of contention to pick with Jesus?They were plotting to kill Jesus Matt12:14 where are those similar people today, those who oppose Jesus and HIS Church,Who so vehemenently opposes the RCC His doctrine and why?This is what Jesus speaks about in Matt15:9Do you still wish to be considered amongst that crowd? So be it The choice is yours. |
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---Mic on 10/9/08 |
There is NO such place as pergutory. It's All part of catholocism's idol worship just like prayer-beads,graven-images,even the worship of Mary,the kissing of the popes ring. Such worship IS an Abomination to Almighty God. Matt 15 v 9.
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---Lawrence on 10/9/08 |
Interesting as it may seem the Catholic view point is different than what is expressed By Pierre.I believe what Pierre says is not biblical but a opinion.The breath of life is a natural act of creation as is the heart beat.which both cease at natural death.The soul is that which is spoken of in Genesis which is how we are made to the image and likeness of God, a spirit, called a soul. This goes back to its maker if Good as a reward. A bad one lingers in the torments of Hades."AS you have lived so shall you reap."Those which are mediocer,but have minor defects, stay in purgatory till they are cleansed. |
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---MIC on 8/25/08 |
Maybe you all could help me out here. I have been trying to understand your religion. Heaven, Hell, Salvation, Belief, and Sin per the 10 Commandments or New Covenant is quite confusing...
So:
Case 1: I am completely ignorant of "god" and "god's word", but somehow I live my entire life following the 10C ((by accident).
Case 2: I am aware of "god" and "god's word", but somehow I live my entire life following the 10C. BUT I DON'T BELIEVE.
Case 3: I am aware of "god" and "god's word", I BELIEVE, have accepted Jesus, but have fallen many times (violating many of the 10C's), asked forgiveness again and again.
Where will I go in each case?
Thanks! |
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---atheist on 8/25/08 |
Pierre.. A rather intersting response. Even more interesting would be the scriptures that support your response. I will check back for them.
Thanks
Jim |
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---Jim on 8/25/08 |
Although it is true that one who does not accept Jesus will go to hell, that is not the gospel. The gospel is good news. I haven't found a single person yet who believed that going to hell was a good idea. Besides, it is rude to go where you have not been invited. |
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---Linda on 9/14/07 |
warning! people die and go to hell or heaven!
22"The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23In hell,[c] where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.' |
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---Lisa on 9/13/07 |
Abraham replied, 'Son,remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.He answered, 'Then I beg you, father send Lazarus to my father's house, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, that they will not also come to this place of torment.' |
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---Lisa on 9/13/07 |
being dead ..does not mean you do not exist!
29"Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets, let them listen to them.'
30" 'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.'
31"He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.' |
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---Lisa on 9/13/07 |
There is no such place as a purgatory! When you die, you really don't go anywhere. The body most often is laid in a
grave. The BREATH OF LIFE (not the soul) goes back to the Creator and the soul ceases to exist. There are at least two parts to the judgment. The INVESTIGATIVE and the EXECUTIVE. The first is going on right NOW! the second will take place at after Jesus returns. Resurection of the sav-
ed FIRST, then resurrection of the lost SECOND. When he comes back, every case will be decided! Hope to see you at the FIRST RESURECTION! |
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---Pierre on 9/13/07 |
Hello Joseph::If you were there in Fantasy Island I was not there.Dreams & their interpretation are more in your line.Forgivenessof sins demands Contrition."Expiate is different its a form of restitution for the sins "itty bitty" ones that lurk in the background when you die.You would need to explore this avenue before you go to the great beyong otherwise you become a member like those whoare weepimg & gnashing their teeth.Jesus Church The RCCwhich you apostated from does not lie. |
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---Emcee on 10/26/06 |
come on pete Colorado isn't that bad is it?
My understanding is that purgatory is a time of decision. it is not talked about much, but my guess is that it is a waiting place. The old testament speaks quite a bit on the subject using hebrew words. But I pesonally don't know. there just might be a pergitory and all people might go there. Read CS Lewis' the great divorce it'll give you some pretty throught provocing reading on the subject. |
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---Jared on 10/26/06 |
hell - lake of fire, Paradise----Heaven |
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---rw on 7/28/06 |
Emcee, are you sure I didn't see you on "FAIRYTALE THEATER"? Are you trying to lead people straight to hell? WE CANNOT PAY FOR OUR SINS! This is why Jesus came to pay the price that we could never pay. I used to be catholic until my eyes were opened. The truth will set you free! |
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---Joseph on 5/26/05 |
Herb, would you kindly then explain Luke 16: 19 > ? |
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---Albert on 5/1/05 |
Good One Pete;but you will find the other, sure as God made little apples.Non catholic christians who believe, they are saved, believe that they will go to heaven.This I believe is presumption, as no one who dies with the stain of unrepantant sin goes to heaven.Only the spotless go there.Catholics firmly believe that after death people with venial sins go to a place called Purgatory where they stay, to expiate & cleanse themselves of sin.People who die in the state of Mortal, sin with the denial of God pay the extreme penalty for all eternity as they reject God. |
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---Emcee on 4/28/05 |
I used to be catholic, and went to catholic school. Now that the Lord has shown me the truth the only Purgatory that I know of, is in Colorado. |
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---Pete on 4/19/05 |
Shava ... Herb has been here a long time, and is known for his forthright views.
We are grown up enough to discuss things fully here. We will never agree on everything.
Please do not try to silence other people when they put their point of view. |
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---Alan_of_U.K. on 4/19/05 |
rev herb, i think it would be nice as a brother in christ- for you to stick to the bible and not touch on other people's religion or churches unless you where God who knows the truth as to who is being taught wrong doctrine - because we will touch on yours and end up calling each other satanists and Cults - which i personally think is not a good thing to do on this forum. God Bless |
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---Shava on 4/14/05 |
Some groups of evangelicals and what have you teach the doctrine that when a born-again Christian dies he/she falls into what is called "soul sleep" until the "last day" or better yet, the resurrection. (Its sad but Adventists, as well as the Witnesses adhere to this) I would not divide with a Christian brother or sister on this but I would be lying to say that it is true. I believe that it is clearly revealed in the Bible that a born-again believer is immediately in the presence of the Lord at death. The "soul" and "spirit" are separate from the body. |
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---Rev_Herb on 4/13/05 |
Rev Herb, You said: At the end of the world, we will all be judged and those in hell would be cast into the Lake of Fire. True? Do I understand you right that those of us who have received Jesus as our sin-bearer are already in Heaven...and will not be judged for our eternal destination? Jesus took our punishment on the cross. However, our works WILL be judged for reward or loss...but our soul condition/destination is already settled......right? |
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---Reader on 4/13/05 |
Rev Herb, point of correction, the soul that will only live forever is the One who after day of Judgement is found right. If judged a sinner you will be destroyed after a 1000 years. The dead will be judged when christ comes again, its unfortunate if you die in sin because you wont be able to repent. |
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---Shava on 4/13/05 |
People die with sin or without sin, and rarely given another chance to return after death. The soul is not the mind, and the soul is not the spirit, they are separate. Each person is made up of a body which is the building or flesh; a spirit which is the breath or aspiration; and a soul which is the life or anima. The soul can be living or dead. When one dies the spirit leaves the body and soul, and goes back to God. The body and soul remain behind on earth, until that time that the Lord will call for the dead to rise. (Mark 12:30; Acts 17:25; I Thessalonians 5:23; Hebrews 4:12). |
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---Eloy on 4/13/05 |
Oops!
My last response was for JIM no Jeff.
Sorry! |
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---Pierre on 4/13/05 |
To Jeff:
GEN: 2,7 God created man out of the dust of the earth and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life. Result: A LIVING SOUL ECC: 12,7 At death the body returns to dust, the breath of live returns to God. Result: NO MORE LIVING SOUL. (NB. SPIRIT = BREATH OF LIFE) see Job 27,3. When the breath returns to God, the thoughts perish! PS 145:3-4. 1st+2nd resurection, see John 5:28-29. |
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---Pierre on 4/13/05 |
We go into the presence of God when we die. read 2 Corinthians 5:8, and Revelation 14:13 And Nobody will be judged untill the end of the Tribulation. |
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---a_friend on 4/13/05 |
pierre, Where do you get your info? What bible are you reading. The soul lives forever. If we accept Jesus as Lord and saveiour, then we go live with the Lord. To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. If we reject Jesus, we go to hell. At the end of the world, we will all be judged and the sinner and Hell will be cast into the Lake Of Fire. Two different places. |
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---Rev_Herb on 4/12/05 |
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