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When Does Your Body Die

At the time of Adam and Eve, mans spirit died because of sin and the body and soul lived on. Is this correct? The bible says that the body is dead because of sin, at what time did the body die. With Adam and Eve or when God condemed sin in the flesh?

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The body came from dust& returns to dust.Or as the book of Daniel in ch.12 says they rest or "sleep" in the grave until the resurrection. the spirit returns to the maker, God.
---candice on 10/27/08

Linda; No it's not correct.The dead bodies are all in the cemetaries!Where did you get the idea that his "spirit" died? By the way you cannot seperate body and soul.
---1st_cliff on 10/23/07

When you die in the physical, your body and soul die, and your spirit lives on. When you sin (like Adam & Eve did) you die in your soul (mind, will, emotions) and in your spirit. The only thing that revives you when you sin is repenting and being covered in Christ's blood.
---Leslie on 1/7/07

body/soul form an indivisable union. Earth elements and God's breath of life produced a living soul/being. Psalm 146:4 life back 2 God and body/soul to earth and thoughts perish. Read Roman 6. As non believer, body dead cos of sin..As a believer, ye are dead and your life is hid with Christ in God Colosian 3:3
---jana on 6/4/06

When your heart stops And then your spirit leavesand goes back to God from which it came.
---Betty2 on 4/9/06

that Christ actually decended to lost souls, prisoners in some purgatory/limbo. TRUTH IS: That Christ hath once suffered for sin, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh BUT quickened by the Spirit by which He alo went and preached. The SPIRIT in question is the HOLY SPIRIT. Now notice: WHEN preaching was done- v20 'IN THE DAYS OF NOAH (antediluvian world). TO WHOM: "to the spirits in prison" (those bound in prison of sin).
NOTHING indicates that Jesus departed from His body during that time!
---Pierre on 4/20/05

Let me try to cover your Sec. 4-9 of 4/20
4. Eph.4:8-10. I simply see Christ returning home from His battle on earth, with the trophies of His great victory on Calvary. In your note you say that He "led captivity"
to those who were "captive" waiting in paradise. My Bible does not talk about such people, rather it points to Christ who through his death+resurrection returned to God those who were once sinners and captives.
---Pierre on 4/20/05

Bruce,Further,Jesus did not begin the statement to the theif with the word "today" but rather "verily or truly", punctuation was not invented 'till the 14th century, just moveing the "comma" ahead one word changes the entire meaning of this conversation! Schollars say that "paradise" (a Persian word) means park or garden and reffers to "Eden" Also 1pet.3.19 where Jesus visited the imprisoned spirits, was in Noah's day(see NIV footnote #1)
---1st_cliff on 4/20/05

to Bruce5656
This story IS A PARABOLE. Paraboles serve to teach moral principles but NOT TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY.If you, you end up in deep troube like people in hell and heaven conversing, or people in heaven hearing people in hell screaming because of their sufferings Just think what it would be like to be in heaven and have people in hell ask you for a "drop" of water. If your kid ended up there, would you not be in hell too even if you were in heaven? The Bible tells us that after the wicked are burned up, we will no longer remember them! More later after I study the rest.
---Pierre on 4/20/05

I don't see clearly what you mean by PRE and POST death other than 1 = LIFE and 2 = DEATH. I do agree with the two destinations. I do not agree that the thief went to heaven TODAY, because Jesus did not go there for several days himself! (problem:poctuation) "From the story" I assume that is a ref to the parabole of the rich msn and Lazarus. See next entry.
---Pierre on 4/20/05

That should be; "You need to see a distinction" in the first sentence below. Sorry.
---Bruce5656 on 4/20/05

You need to seed a distinction between PRE death and resurrection and POST death and resurrection. PRE death and resurrection, Jesus taught that there was a place where those who died in faith went and those who died with out saving faith went. (Re: saving faith - Romans 4:3, "For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.")
---Bruce5656 on 4/20/05

These places were known collectively to the Jew as Hades, the Greek equilivent of the Hebrew Sheol. Jesus taught (either as a historical fact or as a parable based on the real experience of the dead) that in this place there is two divisions (known as Paradise and Hell). Those who died in faith (as Abraham) went to Paradise and those who died with out saving faith to hell. (Luke 16:19-31)
---Bruce5656 on 4/20/05

This was true up to the time of the cross and is why Jesus said to the thief "This day you will be with me in Paradise."

From the story Jesus told, we see that those in Hades were conscious in a state of either comfort or torment. They were waiting for the One whom they died believing would come and be their salvation to come. Jesus was that one and we are told that he went to that place and took those souls who were waiting for their redemption with Him to Heaven.
---Bruce5656 on 4/20/05

Ephesians 4:8-10, "Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things)"

Note: "Led captivity" led those who were "captive" waiting in Paradise
"Led captivity captive" He led those who were captive, himself being a captive of that place.
---Bruce5656 on 4/20/05

So, He descended to Paradise, declared the righteous judgment of God to those there both saved and unsaved 1 Pet 3:18-19 "For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to DEATH IN THE FLESH, BUT MADE ALIVE IN THE SPIRIT; in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison..." Notice, He was dead in the flesh but alive in the spirit.
---Bruce5656 on 4/20/05

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Then he took the righteous with Him when he left that place now that their redemption was complete and "ascended up on high"

Jesus is the pattern for all humanity for He is and was the perfect MAN. (He is still referred to repeatedly as the Son of Man e.g. Acts 7:56 sitting on the right hand of the Father.) The Creator became a creature., (Philippians 2:6-9, "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
---Bruce5656 on 4/20/05

But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:") 'What he experienced, we can and will experience. As a Christian, we know that since He was a man filled with, empowered
---Bruce5656 on 4/20/05

by and led by the Holy Spirit, (Luke 4:1,18; Matt 12:28; Acts 1:2 etc) and since He has given us that same Spirit, (John 14:16-17; I Cor 12:13 etc) we can live the victorious life and we have authority over Satan etc.

What He, as a MAN, experienced in death - consciousness and the ability to interact with other departed souls, we also will experience. We will experience a resurrection someday in a glorified body, which is no longer subject to
---Bruce5656 on 4/20/05

corruption, which seems to be unrestricted by physical barriers (he entered the upper room with the doors and windows closed yet Thomas could touch him and he could he could eat and interact with them. John 20:26)

Since we are now POST death and resurrection of Christ, things are different for us. There is no longer a transition place or state. Paradise would serve no purpose today since our salvation is complete. We believe that 2 Corinthians 5:8, "We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord."
---Bruce5656 on 4/20/05

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Where is your biblical support for your position? You seem to say that it is clear that JCh. was "conscious" when he died. To me conscious means ALIVE. How could he be ALIVE following his death??? Did he just fake his death? Why was he resurected if he never was dead (unconscious) in the first place??? Help!
---Pierre on 4/20/05

Clearly Jesus soul continued on in conscious existence following his death. He lived and died as a MAN. Therefore, we know that our souls will also continue on in a state of conscious existence immediatly following the death of our flesh. Also the story Jesus told Lazarus demonstrates consciousness of the dead.
---Bruce5656 on 4/19/05

Please read/think about my ill. and ref!
P. clearly states that AT THE 2nd COMING,the righteous receive their eternal rewards.Thes.4:16-17/1Cor15:51-54.He writes to TIM that he has mixed feelings. In some ways he would like to stay here but his real desire is to be with the Lord. It is not hard to see gain in death:freedom from a weary body,deliverence from the bondage of a roman prison,security from Satan's temptations! For Paul death=sleep with his waking moment bringing him into the Lord's presence on the resurrection morn.
---Pierre on 4/19/05

Alan, ONE DAY (not 1 year) equals 1000 years, and 1000 years=1 DAY. "But of the tree of knowing of good and bad, see that you eat not: for even the same DAY you eat, of it you will, dying you will die." Genesis 2:17 (emphasis mine).
---Eloy on 4/19/05

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Pierre, I say to you what I said to Jerry, "IF" our souls "cease to exist at death" then God has lied. The Bible does not teach that the soul ceases at death. If that were the case, why would the Apostle Paul say,"For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain." in Philippians 1:21? What gain is there in ceasing to exist?
---tommy3007 on 4/19/05

Pierre ... what Eloy is sayiong is that Adam lived 970 earth-years, but because God's years equal a 1000 years for man, Adam only lived less than one of God's years.

Personally I believe that the 1000 year thing is merely figurative. You could just as well say that To God a million years is as one.
---Alan_of_U.K. on 4/19/05

Pierre, 1 day to God equals 1000 years to man. Psalm 90:4; II Peter 3:8.
---Eloy on 4/18/05

I don't want to budd in but I agree with Jerry about the soul ceasing to exist at death. Maybe this illusration will help:
At death D+BL are seperated. Result: NO LS!
Seperate B from N and the BOX no longer is!
Did that help?
When JCH comes back he will recombine D+BL and recreate our LS.
---Pierre on 4/18/05

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It might help me if you would define DEATH for me according to your understanding. For you to say that Adam did not even live one day, when he lived 930yrs is hard for me to understand!
---Pierre on 4/18/05

Linda, According to scripture, we are dead "spiritually" because of sin. Our bodies die a physical death when all of the necessary functions cease, i.e. breath, heartbeat, brainwaves. Our bodies will be resurrected in the Last Day, either to eternal glory with God the Father, or to eternal damnation in the Lake of fire like Satan and his legions.
---tommy3007 on 4/18/05

Jerry, "IF" ,as you say, at death our souls cease to exist, how then can God promise us eternal life? If our souls do cease to exist at death, then God has lied to us, which I don't believe is the case. Either our souls are eternal, having a beginning, but, no end, with a final destiny of heaven or hell, according to God's word, or the whole Bible is a lie.
---tommy3007 on 4/18/05

Pierre, No. i am only ok with the truth that did happen just as God prophesied before they ate the fruit. Just 5 minutes to God is equal to about 3 1/2 years for man, for Scripture reveals that a single day to God in heaven is equal to one thousand years on earth. Therefore the first man, Adam, did not even live a full day. So according to God's Word, they both died the very day they sinned.
---Eloy on 4/18/05

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1st Cliff, 1 day to God equals 1000 years to man. Psalm 90:4; II Peter 3:8.
---Eloy on 4/17/05

To Eloy:
I said that when A+E first sinned they started to die. By that I mean they started getting old showing signs such as wrinkles, gray hair etc. Then they died (expired) just like you said, Adam at a very old age.Are you ok with that? Be blessed!
---Pierre on 4/17/05

When our first parents first sinned their bodies began to die, NOT the Spirit which is the same thing as the BREATH OF LIFE. Then when they died (expired) their bodies returned to dust and the breath of life returned to the Creator and the SOUL ceased to exist. Illustration: BODY + BREATH OF LIFE + LIVING SOUL
---Pierre on 4/16/05

Eloy; You are wrong on this one, the bible says Adam "lived"930yrs and then, he "died"(gen.5.5)
---1st_cliff on 4/16/05

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I like your answer a lot because it is Bible based.

Webmaster - Pierre please stop hitting the return key and over spacing if you want you comments to post. Thanks.
---Pierre on 4/16/05

How powerful do you think God is? The meaning of 'death' is having no life. Jesus Christ, Emmanuel, the Son of God is the life and the light of men. Being able to prophesy is not fortelling the future it is knowing what to do next. God could not take the breath back, but he took away the life.
---gregg on 4/16/05

According to the Bible, a soul consists of two parts; dust of the ground and the breath of life from God. (Gen 2:7) At death, the two parts separate (Psalm 146:4) and the soul (person) ceases to exist (as if in sleep). (Psalm 13:3, John 11:13)
---Jerry on 4/16/05

No, Adam and Eve's body, soul, and spirit all died at the moment they sinned, even before God cursed them and sentenced them. Afterward we know that man began to call upon the Name of the Lord, and God put sacrifices of atonement in place for them up to the time of Jesus Christ our Savior.
---Eloy on 4/15/05

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