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Should Spankings Be Illegal

I just saw a blog entitled "spanking a thirteen year old", and I have to wonder. Children get spankings from parents, but no adults ever get sentenced to corporal punishment, except in singapore and some mideast countries. Why is this?

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NO,it shouldn't be illegal but I think spanking at 13 is way too old.Making them stay home from activities works much better.Actually if you don't have a child under good parental control by say age 7 you may as well pretty well forget it.You're probably in big time trouble unless the child is unusual like say very shy.They will take over.-IMHO
---shirley on 5/2/09

Antoa: Guess what? I taught ALL my kids not to go near fire and I didn't have to spank them, not once!

Plus, I taught them a lot more stuff without spanking them.

Raising children was the hardest job I have had so far in my life. But WELL worth the effort.
---sue on 5/1/09

I am surprised to find myself agreeing with Nicholas, at the same time as I believe that torture should never be used, and that we should not spank any child or adult, or do anything physically violent to anyone who is not a threat to our person. When it comes to (eg) making a public spectacle of those who have transgressed God's laws, as they did in the days gone by, I would agree with for instance putting all of our leaders and politicians and the ultra rich bankers (etc) in their various village squares, in stocks, and allow people to throw rotten tomatoes and poo at them which would not hurt them, but just give them what they deserve. A humbling experience. The same for drunk driving, domestic violence and other perversions.
---frances008 on 4/30/09

I agree with Crystal. It's encouraging to know that there are good strict disciplinarians like Crystal, that contribute to this web blog. Public corporal punishment and humiliation of adults sends a clear message to society, that immoral and unethical behavior will not be tolerated. Our children and teenagers will learn from this, and thusly, will produce future generations of adults who conduct themselves in a moral, ethical, and law abiding Christian manner. The goal, is to make the use of corporal punishment very rare option indeed!! This can be accomplished by making the punishments so strict and severe, that people will never, never, want to put themselves into a situation that would result in a corporal punishment sentence.
---nicholas on 7/9/08

There are different types of spankings. There's the hard one and the soft one. God spanks us all the time when we do wrong. Parents have the right to put their children in line. But beating them is wrong, that's the hard spanking. Spanking is just letting the child knows that certain things is wrong. Would you let your child go near a fire? And if we don't teach them not to do it again, they will.
---antoa7855 on 7/8/08

Thank you Mary, for your reply to my post.
Because we live in a free society, we are all expected to exercise of our freedoms in a responsible, law abibing, moral and ethical manner. Severe and Public Corporal Punishment sends a clear message that people must be held accountable for their actions. I am just about 100% certain that public and humiliating punishments for a crime such as DWI for instance, will have a profound effect on the general public. The person on the receiving end of the punishment will never, never, never drive drunk again!! The general public will be detered from finding themselves in the same position some day!! The time has come to restore Bible strict morals and discipline to our daily lives!!
---nicholas on 7/8/08

I went to a country public High School in the late 1970s where corporal punishment was the rule of the day. There were very few discipline problems. Most teachers had a hardwood paddle with holes drilled to cut wind resistance. They kept it prominently displayed. My shop teacher would award one swat to any student not in his seat when the bell rang. You could hear the noise when someone got whacked in the halls. It was a loud bang that would echo. Sometimes they left a welt on the back of the legs even. No one ever filed a lawsuit, and if the parents found out, there was usually a whipping at home that night too.
---obewan on 7/8/08

I don't know but I don't see any reason why adults shouldn't get a spanking. Lord knows I'm 33 but by all means my Dad should turn me over and paddle my behind. It shouldn't be illegal for parents to spank their kids. The problem with kids these days is that parents aren't loving & consistent with discipline. I look at my kids and thank the Lord for them. But they are extremely loved & disciplined children. I use appropriate form of discipline for bad behaviors.
---Crystal on 7/8/08

Singapore and some other countries do have that system, and a very low crime rate. The USA skips on the physical and goes straight to extermination of often innocent men. Seems to me that the Asians have got some things right. They do have death penalties for drug carrying though, and that might be a good thing too. (You cannot deny it if you are caught in the act.)
---frances008 on 7/8/08

Hmmm...interesting, Nicholas. You make some good points, and yet I have to ask, do you want to take us back to the dark ages of public punishments? They were pretty brutal in that time and people still sinned. But yeah, people are way too liberal now, that I agree with.
---Mary on 7/7/08

Strict discipline and corporal punishment are much needed in today's undisciplined and unethical society. Public whippings and humiliation would do wonders in our desire to curb crimes such as drunk driving, shop lifting, and other immoral and unacceptable behavior. The Liberal, anti Christian discipline experts, have poisoned the minds and hearts of America's Children. Our public school systems must be taken out of the hands of the "Liberal Intellectual Elite," and put under the proper supervision of devout, dedicated, strict, Christian Fundamentalists.
---nicholas on 7/6/08

Curt, that is kind of wierd the way they titled your blog...anyways, maybe it's the fact that spanking is less torturesome than corporal punishment. When I think of corporal punishment, I think of severe pain, whereas when I think of spanking I think of light pain that teaches them right from wrong. Your comments?
---Katie on 3/5/08

alan_of_UK: As I stated before. I do not believe in violence. But I do believe in discipline. There is a huge difference.
I believe warnings and time outs should be used first. If they are not heeded I will go and get old JIMBO. He gets their attention...real quick. Serves the same purpose as cops and tickets(deterrents) You don't rail against cops why old Jimbo?
---Robyn on 7/14/07

Sue "reasons" that spanking teaches kids that violence is OK. By this "reasoning" we should not sentence kidnappers to prison, fine burglars, or execute murderers.
---Ktisophilos on 7/14/07

Ask my Master that question. He made the rules. He died in respect of the rules. He knows what is best. He is qualified to answer your question.
---a_servant on 7/8/07

Servant ... How many spankings a day do you think should be administered, even if there has been no offense?
Presumably the more the better for the son?
---alan_of_UK on 7/8/07

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Lev 19:20 And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that is a bondmaid, betrothed to an husband, and not at all redeemed, nor freedom given her; she shall be scourged; they shall not be put to death, because she was not free

Dt 25:2 And it shall be, if the wicked man be worthy to be beaten, that the judge shall cause him to lie down, and to be beaten before his face..

Prov 13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son:

God permits spanking. Doesn't He know best?
---a_servant on 7/7/07

Kt is right ... corporal punishment is right for some wilful and serious misbehaviour, and it should be immediate, particularly for young children.
---alan_of_UK on 7/7/07

Not sure but I betcha more people in prison had parents who hit them than not.
---sue on 7/7/07

Alan_UK has a sound balanced view on spanking.

Kylie's husband and his family seem sadistic -- where does he get off on spanking his step-daughter's bare bum, humiliating her in front of her friends, for what Kylie says was an accident?

Corporal punishment is good as an immediate punishment for wilful disobedience.
---Ktisophilos on 7/7/07

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How could Sue's mom know that there was as much crime back in her day if it wasn't reported. This is just liberal nonsense.

Fact: in the 1950s, murders were so rare that it was front page news. It would be crass to claim that it was merely less reported, since it's hard to ignore a dead body!

And people old enough to remember say that cars could be started with a button in the floor, and most people would not bother locking their houses.
---Ktisophilos on 7/7/07

Robyn ... If it did not hurt, why did your Mum wield the belt, and why did it make you walk the line?
When Proverbs says, Spare the rod & spoil the child, does the rod should not be spared when it is necessary? It does not actually say Wield the rod, or belt, because of any offense.
But some here would flay their child just for a bit of delay in following instructions, or doing poorly in exams
---alan_of_UK on 7/7/07

Punishment appropriate to the degree of wrong-doings must be meted out. If not, God would not have a hell in place, Jesus would have declared slogging and crucifixion wrong, and the Bible should be ignored. You go easy on your kids now, the society may have to pick up the 'tab' later on in terms of law-breaking and/or anti-social, selfish behavior. Without corporal punishment, some kids turn out fine possibly through other positive influences. Bear that in mind.
---Jacob on 7/6/07

Sue: Well God bless you and your kids. Your case is among the rare ones. There are a lot of kids who do not disrespect their parents. The parents never had to use a belt/switch or whatever on them. Again this is not the majority. I never disrespected my mom or dad and would not today, if they were alive ,but not everyone can say this, or even treat their parents this way. My mom was a little woman who wield her belt and would use it. We walked the line and it did not hurt us. She raised 15 kids.
---Robyn on 6/12/07

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Robyn: My kids are all adults now, and they dont spank or disrespect me AT ALL. Nor Do I disrespect my mother. I would rather have my kids do the right thing because they know it's the right thing (morally)than do it for fear of getting hit. But, yes, we could go 'round and 'round about this subject. We can agree to disagree: I truly love the 'differances' in people. Makes things more interesting.
---sue on 6/11/07

Sue: The rod was used to keep the sheep in line and as a tool to guide the sheep. I feel it has an almost similar reason when raising kids. We do not have to actually use the rod(neither did the shepherds back then) Now get this....UNLESS they HAD TO. Same for a kid. I did not use my belt(rod) UNLESS I HAD TO. The belt was kept in view for the child's sake. And for the parents.Most times, when they just saw that belt(laugh) they straightened up real quick.
---Robyn on 6/11/07

Spanking serves a needed purpose when raising kids. The rod(belt,switch) or whatever is also an aid to help parents keep their kids in line. You knew if you got out of line your parents would actually use that thing. It kept me in line and made me respect my parents more. Even today as adults ,if we feel we could do anything and everything we wanted to without any consequences, can you imagine the condition this world would be in? Enough goes on as is.
---Robyn on 6/11/07

I could go on and on with this silly question. If you cannot bring yourself to spank. Let your kid(s) do the spanking. I guarantee he/she will use it on You! And you will obey and do as you are told. Somebody has to be the boss. Since you (parent)don't have the guts. I bet that kid, does.
---Robyn on 6/11/07

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Spanking did me much good..Today, kids get away with murder..yes, murder cos of such silly laws not to spank. This is the era of undisciplined little horrors..I saw a young man on his skate board purposely bump into an 80yr old and took her purse. She was bruised badly n I witnessed for her in still gave me daggers incourt would u believe it?..hes now doing 2years
---jana on 6/11/07

You use to get spankings in school up to 18-19 yrs old. Whatever happened to this wonderful form of punishment? Made a lot of wayward teens respect their elders and parents. And we ask what has happened to our schools? You can't be that blind. Now can you?
---Robyn on 6/10/07

The words "good whack on the backside" are somewhat indicative of the attitude of the bestower of this gift.
---alan_of_UK on 6/10/07

Robyn, yes you are right. We can only do what we read and understand in the Bible. The thing is, I understand the 'spare the rod verse' is meaning that back then shepards used a 'rod' to keep their sheep safe. Maybe 'rod' is used as the same way for children. I dont think the shepards hit the sheep with the rod, they guided them with it. We should 'guide' our children to the right way.
---sue on 6/10/07

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Sue/Catherine: I only say what I have read and understood in the Word of God. My opinions does not matter. God is in control of every aspect of a Christian's life. Including how to raise their kids. If he said use the rod...I did and I shall always recommend it. Not to abuse but to discipline. All kids do not require a spanking but most do. It is a rare kid that does not need a good whack on the backside every now and then. I dont care how good YOU think they are.
---Robyn on 6/9/07

Well my mom only had 5 kids and a step-son. I just could never bring myself to spank my kids(I had only 3 kids). I would rather make them do something they'd learn from and at the same time be disaplined. For example: writing a 10 page report on why whatever they did was wrong and what could happen etc. They probably would've rather had a spankin, but at least they learned how to write!
---sue on 6/9/07

The scripture[the rod] Too many sick, religious, people, uses that scripture as a right to abuse that scripture. There are other scriptures that teaches, not to provoke your children, and how to treat your children. And the rod can be any form of punishment. Fairness, God is most in favor of.
---catherine on 6/9/07

The bible says to not spare the rod. That means spankings. Of course they have to be age appropriate. I was spanked and it did me no harm. My mom raised 15 kids with a good, sharp belt to the backside. Did we like it then? No, but it was very well needed. Spankings were also allowed in schools back then,too. Schools were the better for it. Can't say that about them today.
---Robyn on 6/9/07

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Robyn, Never spanked my kids and now that they're adults they certainly do NOT spank me! Nor do I spank my mother, who never spanked me either. Matter of fact I am taking care of my dear mother right now, with love and respect and graditude.
---sue on 6/8/07

Why in the world should an adult to be subjected to corporal punishment? They have alread been through that as a child,hopefully. Children should be spanked. Thirteen is going a bit far. You pass through that stage. When an adult commits a crime or break the law ,a fine or jail time is equivalent to corporal punishment. Let me add this: either you spank that kid now or they will spank you....Later. Your choice.
---Robyn on 6/7/07

Ashley, those are some pretty outrageous percentages! My mom (88 yrs old) said that there was just as much crime when she was young as today, but they didn't hear about it as easily as we do today. No TV, radio, news, media to spread the crime reports as much as today. I dont know if thats true but it sounds logical. But I do know that violence begets violence. I wanted my kids to behave because they wanted to do the right thing, not because they didn't want to get hit.
---sue on 6/7/07

Sue: There are different ways to teach each child. use the one that works best. Some need spanking, some need to sit in a corner, others need denial of toys etc. as parents, you are entitled to revelation from God to deal with each child. its ironic though that when spare the rod spoil the child was enforced for a thousand years, crime levels were low. in the past thirty years spanking is outlawed and crime levels have risen ten thousand percent in thirty years compared to one percent in a thousand years.
---ashley on 6/7/07

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Ashley, some kids just have to learn the hard way I guess. All kids are not the same though. Some will actually learn by having mentor's (parents)that they love and trust communicate with them, teach them with love, not violence and making them sick.
---sue on 6/6/07

I think if you saw more adults get spanked we would not have all this violent everywhere
---Leo on 6/6/07

I have many happy memories of my youth. I remember my fathers belt, the razor strap, the fly swatter. Every time I felt them, I deserved them. I scared my parents by not coming home or calling. Tough love worked for me. I broke the rules. I betrayed their trust. Not them, ME. I was taught many things. I was locked in a room with a box of cigars and not allowed out until they were all gone when I was caught smoking.
---Ashley on 3/29/07

2-It worked. I was sicker than a dog. I was shown the coroners office where a person died drunk driving and the effects of alcohol on a liver and body. I learned. I was shown the effects of fire. Do I play with matches. NO. Life is a lesson to be learned. Sometimes it is hard and bitter, but to know the good, you have to experience the bad. That is the problem today. Everyone is allowed to do what they want and respect is becoming a thing of the past. Quickly forgotten.
---Ashley on 3/29/07

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I was spanked and thank God, I turned out all right. I have never had to spank my 16 year old son though, he's a better kid than I was. I needed it though, for the right reasons. Example: For lying, I got spanked. Today I hate lying. My parents saved my life. Praise God, in Jesus name!
---John on 3/29/07

There is nothing wrong with spanking, but if it is at the correct time and place, with the correct attitude, love, and at the right age. If I ever have to spank my children, I make sure I am calm, talk to the, we pray together and ask for forgiveness and then I tell them I have to spank them so that they realise the reason. Read Dr. James Dobson's books on disciplining children. Bible talks about spanking.
---Junia on 3/28/07

there is nothing wrong with spanking a child's bottom to teach them respect for others, property and to teach them there is a punishment for doing wrong. The thing many forget though, is after you spank them, you show them twice as much love so they will not think of you as an enemy. The adage spare the rod spoil the child is so true. Look at society in the last twenty years since bleeding heart liberals took over society. children have no respect for anything and crime has skyrocketed.
---ashley on 3/28/07

If you're going to govern spank/no spank then you have to decide when it is appropriate for all children, and that's the issue, you can't mandate a person's ability to know their own child well, but if more people did just that the issue wouldn't come up.
---Pharisee on 3/28/07

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Because most countries realize the humiliation of using corporal punishment on adults and children. Because of this, most countries do not implement this type of punishment. In addition, many countries around the world have outlawed the corporal punishment of children because of the many evils this practice has produced in society.
---Shayla on 3/28/07

Curt, Why is this? The reason is found in the perversity of man's natural heart. If God says, Yes, then man wants to say No. When God says, No, then man does all sorts of reasoning to say, Yes, it is okay. When God was the lawmaker, the direct leader of Isreal, He gave the very best laws He could for sinful, stony hearts. No provision for jail time, public support of criminals--just quick punishment. God made civil government His minister to this very thing. Romans 13:1-7.
---Wayne87 on 12/23/06

"After his spanking we discuss his disobedience, than we hug, I tell him I love him than we play." --And many confused people will call that child abuse, sad! God said come let us REASON together, children NEED godly discipline, who says so? God says so. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 12/20/06

I can't believe Kat's response. Spanking isn't beating. Scripture states "spare the rod - spoil the child. One reason our children today have to sense of right or wrong is they are not disciplined. The government has no business passing any law on how to raise or discipline kids. I was spanked and it made me realize that when I did wrong, I would be punished - I was not beaten when I was spanked.
---Terry on 12/20/06

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Proverbs 10:13 In the lips of him that hath understanding wisdom is found: but a rod is for the back of him that is void of understanding.

Proverbs 13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.
---Exzucuh on 12/19/06

Kat, your response is comepletely unscriptural.

Spare the rod spoil the child.

A smack on the tooshie is not bad. My 2 year old even knows that he receives consequences for disobedience.

After his spanking we discuss his disobedience, than we hug, I tell him I love him than we play.
---Ryan on 12/19/06

No Christian under any circumstances should ever hit their child. We are called to live in peace and to show others peace. Children learn peace by watching their parents. When children's bodies are violated, they learn to disrespect their own bodies and other's as well. Hopefully one day soon, a federal law will be passed banning the spanking of children in our country and this horrible practice will be left in our shameful past.
---Kat on 12/19/06

Mary--there is not one mark on me from a belt; there are marks that I caused myself: piercing, tattoo, tree-climbing, car crash--but not from discipline. Rebellion hurts more than a belt, and the latter prevents the former. I was Rarely disciplined in this way...I can count on my fingers...but when discipline ended, rebellion began. I got away w/ much because I was Daddy's Girl...but more discipline would have kept me Safer. I would be offended if anyone called my father "abuser"...rachel
---Reiter on 11/20/06

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Jessica, what do you mean by spanking your children "long and hard"? Sounds to me like you're beating them; how many swats do you usually give them?
---Mary on 9/24/06

It should be illegal to spank with a belt.
An adult cannot be hit but an innocent child can be spanked with a belt by her angry Mother
---Mary_Miller on 8/22/06

Spare the rod of correction, and spoil the child..13 is at the age of accountability..There are other ways of Godly discipline..
---Lynn_Bedford77 on 12/28/05

I am a mother of two children. One six and one eight, whenever they misbehave I spank them long and hard and it works for them. I believe if you spank out of love rather than anger than it's acceptable. As a child and up to the age of fourteen my parents spanked me whenever I did wrong. I turned out very well and it hasn't made me rebelious in anyway or angry or scared. Honestly, I think more corporal punishment is needed these days.
---Jessica on 12/28/05

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I think, Curt, that father and grandfather are living in a past age. Such spanking was not necessary, if the story as told was true
---Alan_of_U.K. on 5/6/05

alan, i think we should give the man in that story the benefit of a doubt, don't you agree?
---curt on 5/4/05

Curt, that is not quite the same as the belting that has been described here for what were pure accidents.
---Alan_of_U.K. on 5/4/05

alan, spanking is not excessive. when i was a kid, there were lots of kids at school who "accidentally" knocked me over. funny how that ended when i gave one of them a black eye.
---curt on 5/3/05

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Kylie, ... That sort of spanking is excessive.

You really need to talk to yuor husband about it, & sort out an agreed policy.

Curt ... the eldest girl had accidents ... that is not being naughty Spanking should only be for disobedience, or misbehaviour, and should in any case be commensurate with the offense.

Kylie's husband appears to spank excessively, and this will build up fear and resentment.
---Alan_of_U.K. on 5/3/05

kylie, my advice is to stop acting like its such a big deal. kids do dumb things and get spankings for it. hopefully they learn to behave better. you need to be more supportive.
---curt on 5/2/05

Don't know. Maybe not enough prayer.
---barbara on 5/2/05

Advice please, I re-married, a good Christian man, when my daughter was 3, four years ago. We now have our own daughter aged 3. My husband is very strict with the eldest girl, on her birthday she accidentally knocked her sister over and he put her across his knee and spanked her bare bottom in front of her friends. If she misbehaves in Church, she is spanked when she gets home. When our older daughter was visiting with her step-grandparents, her grandfather spanked her for breaking a cup,so , I get no support from them.
---kylie_brantwood on 5/2/05

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I think spankings should be aloud. It should be done for correction not in anger. It is better than yelling. Children need boundries and to know the concequences of their actions.
---Ulrika on 5/1/05

alan, i see your point, but don't forget that it was only a dream. in a dream, all the rules are different. you can pretty much do as you think best. real life is another matter entirely.
---curt on 4/28/05

Curt ... Yes, but ... consider how it could(in real life, not a dream) develop:

One man want to flog another. He finds a weak friend & convinces its the OK thing to do. Then they find a third, and say, "since we have decided the man deserves to be flooged, he must deserve it" so the third man joins in.

It's easier to convince the fourth man, then the fifth, and eventually you.

And, thinking about this ... is this not how Jesus's accusers got the whole population to join in the condemnation?
---Alan_of_U.K. on 4/28/05

alan, i was not admitting wrongdoing, i was explaining that since they were in agreement, she must have deserved to be whipped.
---curt on 4/24/05

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Curt , you have now explained yuorself better. It is quite true, many of us would join in something because everyone else is doing it, without questioning whether it is right or wrong.

It is a danger that we all need to be aware of.
---Alan_of_U.K. on 4/24/05

((((((((eloy))))))))) I am so sorry. Abuse can shatter the very core of our being.
Take heart - a wondrous turning point will come. At that time, the joy of the Lord will suffuse your entire being until you can't contain it. Thank you for "keeping-on keeping on." Many of your answers in this site are such a blessing to me. Hang in there! There are better days ahead. God bless you brother.
---CarolT on 4/24/05

sorry, but whether it was a dream or a nightmare, that's just the way it was. everyone there seemed to be in agreement that she deserved it, so i helped. i would never do that in real life, but there are some people who seem to find trouble. remember michael fay in singapore in 1994?
---curt on 4/23/05

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