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Is Psychotherapy A Todays Cult

In a previous post, a writer wrote that psychotherapy is a cult. Since I am training to be a psychotherapist, I am curious to know what others think. I don't know whether to feel insulted, or laugh. Is psychotherapy a cult? If so, who is the god of the cult?

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You would be wise to consider another option to what you describe above as a choice between dismissing comments because (in your own words)you either must "laugh" or "feel insulted". Another possibility might be to seriously consider the view that psychotherapy is a fraudulent undertaking. Cults make their appearance under many guises. Invoking the pseudo-scientific vocabulary of psychiatry to claim authority or expertise in order to manipulate patients to make contract payments to you is a fraudulent business practice. Charging a fee in any case for convincing people that they need your help or that you can help them may be well intended but never the less rests on an ultimately bogus premise.
---gary_morrison on 4/12/10

God heals in many ways.

-Divine Will
-holistic medicine
just to name a few.
---deb on 4/7/08

I believe God can heal mental illness.

I'm not suggesting anyone should refrain from seeking medical help or going to a hospital, or staying away from doctors.

I believe the Great Physician, God, can use the earthly physician as a means to heal and restore.

---Monique on 4/7/08

If someone is working with the medical community waiting for results, it is not a contradiction to place all of your faith and trust in Jesus Christ to bring about a complete healing. God can work through a physician.

Anyone who would keep their child away from a doctor and use "Christian Science" methods is irresponsible, placing their child in harm's way.

---Monique on 4/7/08

AlanUKquent - I am not against medication, that is not the issue. There are many mentally ill people who need medication and they should take it. What I am against is Christians who place their trust in a therapist. The Word of God does not teach us to trust in man. In fact it teaches the opposite ("Trust in the Lord with all your heart").
---Helen_5378 on 4/3/08

5. A person is either a child of God or not a child of God. I am glad you know who you belong to. Others have to find out for themselves. blessings in your studies.
---lisa on 7/24/07

The Church of Scientology is a rich and vengeful religious cult, or as one critic puts it, "a cross between the Moonies and the Mafia." But it would be a mistake to dismiss its underlying technology as harmless or ineffective. Scientologists know a great deal about thought control, social control, rhetorical judo (defeat by misdirection, deft use of logical fallacies) and high pressure sales, though as victims of their own technology, they wouldn't characterize it that way.
---kathr4453 on 2/11/07

Despite its extensive advertising campaign, including half-hour TV infomercials for Dianetics, the Church has been careful to maintain a veil of mystery about its teachings, in part by outlawing any meaningful discussion or analysis of them. To learn the inner secrets of the cult requires years of strict obedience and large monetary donations.
---kathr4453 on 2/11/07

This is what "Concerned" was talking about. Her quote from Dr. Joseph M was referring to Dianetics.

This stuff is sneaking into peoples homes via infa-mercials. Example; Kevin Trudeau "Natural Cures Revealed" and what the Government doesn't want you to know about" kinda campaigns.
It's bigger than you think!

---kathr4453 on 2/11/07

Helen, I've come on here a few times to state my opinion and convictions concerning this blog. Jesus came to save our souls. Your soul is made up of your personality, emotions, heart, and much more. Romans 12 says when we surrender our life completely, we are transformed by the renewing of our mind. When the Lord lives within,we with that renewed mind and obedience begin to manifest the fruit of the Spirit. One must be crucified with Christ to reap the unspeakable benefits of our New Creation.
---kathr4453 on 2/11/07

Many scientology techniques are hypnotic techniques, and Hubbard has not changed their nature by changing their names. Hubbard was an accomplished hypnotist, and Forrest Ackerman (Hubbard's literary agent) and A. E. van Vogt (an important early supporter of Dianetics) witnessed repeated demonstrations of his hypnotic skills.(See Scientology and hypnosis). Licensed psychotherapists have alleged that the Church's auditing sessions amount to mental health treatment without a license.
---kathr4453 on 2/11/07

but the Church disputes these allegations, and claims to have established in courts of law that its practice leads to spiritual relief. So, according to the Church, the psychotherapist treats mental health and the Church treats the spiritual being.
---kathr4453 on 2/11/07

Discernment I have!

Concerned/Dr. Joseph Said:
"Most who practice natural medicine,force that activates your body. Some refer to this as your soul,psyche, spirit, or life force. It is thought to animate thought and physical existence, and it is not the same as your body.

Scientology states:
A stated goal of Scientology is to rehabilitate the thetan(roughly equivalent to the soul)to regain its native state of "total freedom."
---kathr4453 on 2/11/07

Concerned, Initially misunderstood your identity, but anyway, Mercola has some good articles on his site, I'm not saying [ALL] of his articles are good, but don't have the time to read ALL of his articles, just the ones that I'm interested in, I'm sure you feel the same. Bottom line, The [THEME] of his website isn't "religion".
---Mrs._Morgan on 2/10/07

Kathr4453 - So, after all that, is healing in the Atonement do you believe?
---Helen_5378 on 2/10/07

(1.)kathr, Some Christians know what to "stay away from", can separate light from dark, truth from untruth by the Grace of God, they don't agree with anything that conflicts with God's Truth. I found his website while researching false harmful sugars, I wasn't researching false religions and doctrines, Mercola don't profess to be a minister or something, so whats you point/motivation? There are thousands of articles on his site, You disagree with him on some things, you are not the only one.
---Mrs._Morgan on 2/10/07

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(2.)kathr, If he were a [minister] I could understand your determination. What if your doctor agreed with something that wasn't Biblically sound,does that mean you have to accept it? No. How do you know everything your doctor supports? There's enough problems in the Churches Kathr, it's best to stick with the vital issues in [the churches], reading an article about harmful sugars & oil/fats isn't wrong, We have a [choice] to NOT read other articles like yoga, etc. Just like in our Newspapers...
---Mrs._Morgan on 2/10/07

(2.)kathr, If he were a [minister] I could understand your determination. What if your doctor agreed with something that wasn't Biblically sound,does that mean you have to accept it? No. How do you know everything your doctor supports? There's enough problems in the Churches Kathr, it's best to stick with the vital issues in [the churches], reading an article about harmful sugars & oil/fats isn't wrong, We have a [choice] to NOT read other articles(ex. yoga, etc.), Like in our Newspapers...
---Mrs._Morgan on 2/10/07

(3.)kathr,..we have a choice to NOT read the astrology section, should we stop reading the rest of the Newspaper because of those few sections we reject? Kathr, you asked me if I have discernment, Well I can ask you the "same question", You are right many Christians need to beware of false doctrines like [OSAS], kathr, It would be more edifying for you to [FOCUS] on that, and to answer your question: Yes(in regard to [godly] discernment), By God's Grace.
---Mrs._Morgan on 2/10/07

L Ron Hubbard started as a writer in pulp fiction,science fiction,westerns,and adventure stories, hardly someone to be taken seriously in a religious manner. He developed Dianetics which in a nutshell was nothing but a madeup form of psychotherapy which was never proven of any value,he was accused of it being a take off of Freud's ideas/therapy. He then developed Scientology. The man simply carried his science fiction from writing to psychotherapy,to religion and many had little respect for him .
---Darlene_1 on 2/10/07

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New Life Wellness Center
... natural health approach of Dr. Joseph Mercola, including a free electronic newsletter. ... Scientology Volunteer Ministers
---kathr4453 on 2/10/07

Most confusing?!? L. Ron Hubbard writings express a very strong anti-psychiatry viewpoint. The practice of psychiatry is considered by Scientologists to be a form of extortion,based upon Scientology doctrine stating there is no biological evidence to support psychiatric theories of mental disorders.According to Hubbard, all psychiatrists are criminals:"There is not one institutional psychiatrist alive who, by ordinary criminal law,could not be arraigned and convicted of extortion,mayhem and murder.
---kathr4453 on 2/10/07

Mrs. Morgan:

Let's put it this way:

"Making Human Rights a Fact - Freedom Magazine - Scientology in Clearwater
Scientology welcomes Clearwater residents and visitors to tour the Fort Harrison ... is wholeheartedly supported by Dr. Joseph Mercola, who authors one of the ..."
---kathr4453 on 2/10/07

Mrs. Morgan, #2
Have you NO discernment?
Good health habits are learned 4th grade health. We dont need to make a religion out of it. Just common sense. When Satan can capture your mind to the worshiping of self, in any form, you are straying away from Gods plan and purpose for your life. It isnt what you put in your mouth that concerns God the most, but rather what comes out of it. What comes out is filtered through the heart, not the colon.
---kathr4453 on 2/10/07

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Mrs. Morgan #3

Which leads me to my last point! Scientology does not believe in Psychology or Psychiatry. That was Concerneds point. Did you know when Katy Holmes had her baby, she was not allowed to even yell out during labor(part of scientologys belief)because it would mess up the aura in the atmosphere. Something goofy like that. Have you found that in scripture? NO!

The comments here were about whether Jesus Christ heals,not holistic medicine, biofeedback,or pink energy around the body.
---kathr4453 on 2/10/07

Mrs. Morgan: FINAL
This last week I was reading through Kevin Trudeau books "Natural Cures Revealed", you know, the one who does the infra-mercials? Guess what I found at the back of his books, and spotted through out...Promoting Scientology. Christians need to beware. Yes, we all want to be and stay healthy, ect. But not at the cost of our spiritual lives. You know , a little leaven ruins the whole lump!
Satan is most cleaver! Don't be deceived.
---kathr4453 on 2/10/07

A stated goal of Scientology is to rehabilitate the thetan (roughly equivalent to the soul) to regain its native state of "total freedom."

Concerned, is this what you were talking about?
---kathr4453 on 2/10/07


I found on Wikipedia:

Scientology also reflects the influence of the Hindu concept of karma, as well as the psychological theories of Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung and William Sargant. Sociologist David G. Bromley of Virginia Commonwealth University characterizes Scientology as "a 'quasi-religious therapy' that resembles Freudian 'depth psychology' while also drawing upon Buddhism, Hinduism, and the ancient, heretical offshoot of Christianity known as gnosticism."
---kathr4453 on 2/10/07

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kathr, You might want to look more "thoroughly" into whether or not Mr. Mercola is a proponent of the Scientology cult, before you start accusing him. I did as you said "googled him", and so far no PROOF that he is a scientologist.
---Mrs._Morgan on 2/9/07

You would never know from reading Dr. Mecola's articles what, if any faith he is. He only uses common sense and his medical knowledge and indepth studies to supply useful information.
---Concerned on 2/9/07

i believe anyone who is a christian has been healed by Christ.. Personally I don't

think Jesus heals-I know he does-!!
he took the stripes, we get the healing-
thank you Heavenly father..
---jim4884 on 2/9/07

Helen, yes I do beleive Jesus died for our sicknesses and sins but he still uses people to help us.
---sue on 2/9/07

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Concerned, Christians believe Jesus Christ is the very life force within that balances our many things. The fruit of the Spirit, Love, Joy, Peace, Long suffering, gentleness, kindness, and against such there is no law works marvels in a person's well being.
---kathr4453 on 2/9/07

Dr.Joseph Mercola is Scientology. look up on the web and type in Dr Joseph Mercola/Scientology. Many articles.
---kathr4453 on 2/9/07

Dr.Mercola, I've seen your website years ago, very good information there. I'm not a perfect healthnut like my Mom is, but I'm [aware] about all the chemicals and hormones,false sugars, false this&false in are foods. My Mom is a all-out organic woman ,persuaded my Sister(who is recovering from Breast Cancer) to do the same. My sister by God's Grace is healthy has more"bounce" then I do. My Grandma grew up on a farm in N.Carolina,ate good organic farmfood,Those were the [good] old days.God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 2/8/07

2.-toward health, not toward disease. Unfortunately, contemporary society throws many barriers in that direction with its pervasive fraud, deception and toxic influences.
However, with wisdom, guidance and understanding your body will spontaneously move toward health and wellness -- not disease." Dr.Joseph Mercola
---Concerned on 2/8/07

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"Most who practice natural medicine, however, strongly believe that there is a vitalizing force that activates your body. Some refer to this as your soul, psyche, spirit, or life force. It is thought to animate thought and physical existence, and it is not the same as your body.
There is a pervasive divine intelligence that guides every cell in your body toward health and healing, as long as you cooperate. Your body was designed to move toward health,
---Concerned on 2/8/07

Sue - What about the Cross of Christ and Jesus' finished work there? Do you believe that Jesus paid for our healing in the atonement?
---Helen_5378 on 2/7/07

What did Jesus do before psychotherapy came along? The Answer is---Same thing He is doing today. Healing His way. God's methods and ways is so above ours till it's not funny. And that is the TRUTH.
---CATHERINE on 2/7/07

As I was saying=== there is for me no other healer, teacher, in this world, except Jesus Christ. Makes me Love Him, Trust Him, Obey Him, Spend time with Him. Talk to him,AND Listen to HIM. What He will do for one He will do for another. Therapy from God, I can promise you it works. Satan, doesn't want this secret out. It's out.
---CATHERINE on 2/7/07

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"Just what did Jesus do before psychotherapists came along? Didn't He heal anybody because He had to wait for them, or some such rubbish." HELEN: Jesus did the same thing he did before anything came along, like: new medicines, cures for deseases, indoor plumbing....thank God for the help He gives us through people and theraphy. In other words: do you think we should stay where were 1,000 yrs. ago in terms of medical science?
---sue on 2/6/07

God answers our prayers yes,no,later. Sometimes we must learn lessons in life which help us grow into fullness of maturity in Christ. Not waiting for God to do everything but doing the best we can to be all we can be for Him and letting God do the rest. Christianity is not a 100% get well physically experience. People,born with birth defects,get sick,physically or mentally,and don't get healed with salvation. Salvation brings Spiritual change not a total physical makeover. God doesn't always heal.
---Darlene_1 on 2/6/07

ralph7477: My original reply to you was lost in cyberspece.

No intervention is pretty, and that is because there is a need to break through the many layers of denial.

The fact is that people here do care for one another, and perhaps as a newbie, you could not see it all. If we did not care for Helen, none of us would have responded as we did.

For sure, some of us see in her the places where we once were, but through therapy, and through Jesus, we are recovering.
---John_T on 2/6/07

JohnT - I'm surprised you didn't address me under your other name. Or do you have more?
---Helen_5378 on 2/6/07

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JohnT - No, it is not important. Just what did Jesus do before psychotherapists came along? Didn't He heal anybody because He had to wait for them, or some such rubbish. God does not need anything from man to heal somebody.
---Helen_5378 on 2/6/07

Madison. GREAT COMMENT 2/5!

Helen, can you understand why that is important, and that therapy is NOT "voodoo"?
---John_T on 2/6/07

Lisa - Hi. You haven't hurt me at all, in fact I am puzzled as to why you thought you had! :)
---Helen_5378 on 2/5/07

Very well said Madison1101, 2/5/07.
---lynet on 2/5/07

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One or a few things that God is really teaching me is===patience. He has really slowed me down. And also He has or is teaching me to quickly through the junky stuff out of my mind that the DEVIL will try and put in there. I could never, ever do that without God's help. But it is constant work. [It is not a piece of cake.]
---CATHERINE on 2/5/07

LISA, I wept when I read your blog under psychotherapy. I couldn't had said it better myself. It touched me in the heart like fire and I cried. May God, in the name of Jesus, give you a great life.
---CATHERINE on 2/5/07

TRUE healing, truly, only comes through GOD. The devil can and does destroy the mind. God comes and gives you mercy and saves you. You quickly learn what God can do for you. Now you have someone that can help you. Right away He starts conseling you. Alot of people probably is woundering how I know whether or not it is indeed God speaking. For starters, it sticks, His words. Also GOD lifts you up. The devil is a presser downer.
---CATHERINE on 2/5/07

Helen: Yes, I believe Jesus heals today. My work in psychotherapy allows me to help people see exactly what they need the Lord to heal.
---Madison1101 on 2/5/07

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2. That I am nothing without Christ, that He is my whole life, and that anything good in me if from Christ in me. That I take no credit for anything I do. That I give all the glory and honor to God. That works are the results of our salvation and not the cause of our salvation. If that makes me sick, then I am so glad I am sick. But I want to stay that way. I love what I do in my sickness. It is a joy to write about God day in and day out. I prefere to stay this way.
---lisa on 2/5/07

Sister Helen, first of all, if I hurt your feelings I am deeply sorry. It was not meant for that at all. I love many of your answers. I do believe everyone in this blog believes Christ still heals. you have to remember that His healing comes in many ways. He uses everyone and any means to heal those He wants to heal at the exact time He wants to heal them, if at all He does. The question is not whether He can or not, we all know He can.
---lisa on 2/5/07

2. by your own words He can heal someone that was having a problem in some passages so bad he might have wanted to just quit and not follow Christ. All of us walk the path, but have different life's then another, different circumstances arise with each one, many with big problems but nevertheless love the Lord. And God works through many to bring healing to others.
---lisa on 2/5/07

Madison1101 - I apologise. It was Augusta who said that my doctor put me on valium, not you. I'm human!
---Helen_5378 on 2/5/07

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Augusta - (On 2/2/07 you said "You're the one who posted that your doctor put you on Valium") -- I did not say that because it is not true.
---Helen_5378 on 2/5/07

JohnT - That is all the world has to offer. But God calls it sin. Sin is man's problem, that is why Jesus had to die on the Cross. Jesus Christ did not come to patch me up, He came to make a whole new creation out of me! Pity you don't believe that.
---Helen_5378 on 2/5/07

Is there anybody at all here on this Blog who believes that the Lord Jesus Christ still heals today? I mean by that that He took all of our sicknesses on the Cross, and that He alone is able to heal.
---Helen_5378 on 2/5/07

a-blogger, lets analyze me. I am a Christian who loves the Lord. That works and studies God's Word. That teaches salvation by grace, that teaches that a person is saved by God, that God has a chosen people, that those people are His church, that He will never lose any of them, that He has a plan, that no men can defeat His plan, that He is sovereign over all His creation, that I am not ashame to say what I have learned, that I don't have to change my name to deceive anyone to attack them.
---lisa on 2/5/07

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Bulldog: Generalizations are generally wrong, as is yours. Psychology is a corrupt fruit from an ungodly seed.

Im also educated in both fields (M.Div). Can you not see how Bowlby & Ainsworth identified the problem--lack of attachment, and how Erikson quantified the major developmental tasks, needed to grow as being issues of sin done against children?

They form the basis of the graduate counseling program in Universities like Liberty. Since they have no problem with that, why do you?
---John_T on 2/5/07

Augusta - I live in Australia, and the laws are different all over the world.
---Helen_5378 on 2/4/07

Helen: I have not mentioned your valium addiction at all on these blogs. Someone else mentioned it. Why are you accusing me?
---Madison1101 on 2/4/07

FYI: The original date of this blog was in April 2005, almost 2 years ago. I have since graduated from Temple University with a Masters in Social Work, passed my state licensing exam, and am now working part time at a psychiatric hospital as a group therapist, and part time at a mental health agency as an outpatient therapist. I still teach middle school as well.
---Madison1101 on 2/4/07

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I just learned by taking a test on depression, that anger can cause depression. AND I can tell you that GOD spoked to me about patience, when I complained to Him with my thinking. So no doubt anger and lack of patience is two things that we need to look at when treating people in this area. Lack of patience definitely is at the heart of alot of people's problems.
---CATHERINE on 2/4/07

Psychotherapy is evil? As a teen I remember a phamplet called "The unholy trinity, Frued, Dawrin and Marx" They were considered to be the greatest evils of the 19th century, another evil coming from Europe I remember it with a chuckle. Most of us have have moved beyond medieval Christianity where science, in any shade was considered evil.
---MikeM on 2/4/07

*I said "medication" not therapy*

The psychiatrists at the Mental Health dept. in my town won't prescribe medication unless the patient agrees to receive therapy.
---augusta on 2/4/07

*I said "medication" not therapy*

The psychiatrists at the Mental Health dept. in my town won't prescribe medication unless the patient agrees to receive therapy.
---augusta on 2/4/07

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*All past issues are is the fruit of unforgiveness.*

Have you ever heard of Stockholm Syndrome, where a kidnap victim develops an unnatural and deep attachment to his captor?
Or what about victims of cults who are brainwashed? Forgiveness or medication can't help these people whereas therapy had shown to be very effective. Don't you think the Lord could have given us this knowledge?
---augusta on 2/4/07

If we are only an internet community, why do you bother asking for prayers?

You could simply e-mail your 'friends'.

Some of us have actually cared enough to pray for all of those requests.

Not too many internet communities would even bother with them.
---Terrier on 2/4/07

Please Lisa, get some psychotherapy. You have come to the right blog. The professionals here can help you. Your obsessive compulsive behaviors and oppositional defiance disorder need to be treated, ASAP.
---a_blogger on 2/4/07

3. When people become legalistic or fanatics in one part of Scripture they lose so much by agnoring so many things God wants to do for us. They began to judge everything wrong, food, drugs, drinking, and many other things. Everything becomes wrong. If in your heart you feel God moving you to learn that field, do it for the glory of God and you will never be wrong. God will move you or remove you from there. Just do your part and let God do the rest.
---lisa on 2/3/07
---a_blogger on 2/4/07

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Helen, just because I go to a therapist does NOT mean I dont put all my trust in God. I mean, I have to trust the therapist a little bit...just like you have to trust a doctor when he's operating on you. I don't have to 'divide' my trust up between God and man. I can give God all of it and also give man some.
---sue on 2/4/07

There are good and bad practioners in every profession,it's no different with psychotherapy,that's why a person needs to shop around and find someone they can be sure of their ability. Those who try to make every therapist evil are still in Darkages labeling everything evil. Those who believe that Christ takes away every ailment with forgiveness are grasping at straws. Physical healing wasn't paid for on the cross that comes through faith and God's will for a person's life,not automatically.
---Darlene_1 on 2/4/07

The brain is the conduit of the soul, but like any other organ, it can get sick and need medication.

I said "medication" not therapy.

Psychology is a corrupt fruit from an ungodly seed. Its basic tenets are contradictory to scripture. (I have degrees in both psychology and theology).

Why is psychotherapy now being questioned by the ungodly with psychology degrees who have practiced it for years yet accepted by God's church?
---Bulldog on 2/4/07

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