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What Is The Divine Right Of Kings

What is The Divine right of Kings? I know it sprang up in the reformation. How did they get this Title? Who conferred it on them? Is it still in vogue today?

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Read Genesis 49:10, Daniel 2:28-45, Psalms 2:6-7, 16:8-1, 45:6-7 & 110:1-2, Isaiah 9:6-7 & 45:1-13, Zechariah 6:9-15, John 18:36-37, Ephesians 5:5 and Rev. 11:15. Finally, responsiblilites to higher powers in Romans 13:1-7 and Acts 5:29-32 should rap it up.
---Bruce on 4/18/07


Alan of uk:They are not christians according to your standards but are christians who follow christ & the teachings of the RCC. since you do not follow all their beliefs that is the divergent point Its ALL or nothing at all.hope that clears it up for you.How can you be & call yourself a christian if you do not follow ALL the teachings as laid down in the Commandments by God.Its called christian charity,calling yourself a christian when you are not, dosent make you a christian by any standards.
---Emcee on 5/6/05


Emcee ... you still do not explain why it is that many Roman Catholics say they are NOT CHRISTIAN.

I think they are, although I do not follow all their details beliefs and practices.

My point is that they seem to think being a Catholic is more important than being a Christian, even to the extent of denying being a Christian.

Because of that, the anti-RC brigade is given extra ammunition.

It's an own-goal
---Alan_of_U.K. on 5/5/05


Alan of Uk:You say you THINK that all morals & teachings are Much the same in RCC as other non Denominational churches, then why are they different& why the split,why did a lot of people walk away & call themselves christians & deny the teachings of Jesus,He came to show his Fathers way & commandments.Christians slowly changed allowing Divorce contraception, not accepting the Blessed Virgin & they continue to call themselves Christians acceptance is in toto not part.Thats what makes a christian in the church of Rome call himself Catholic because he belongs to the universal churchof Jesus
---Emcee on 5/3/05


Emcee ... I think the approach to morals and the teachings of Jesus is much the same in the RCC and in most non-RCC denominations.

But my concern is that while I say the RCC is a Christian church, the Roman Catholics that I meet appear to deny it.

Because they say "Alan, you may be a Christian, but I am not, I am a Catholic" And the nuns glorified the fact that a "Christian converted to Catholicism"

You see, THEY are the ones saying they are not Christians, and so they are playing into the hands of those who condemn the RCC
---Alan_of_U.K. on 5/2/05




Alan of Uk:Christians is an umbrella word, as we all follow Jesus Christ. Roman Catholic signifys that they are also christians, under the banner called catholic or universal with strong adherance to the original principles which signify no changes or abbreviations on faith & morals as portrayed by Jesus & His Father who gave us the 10 commandments: it is by some standards rigid, but not impossible to follow. I have seen you to be fair on what you percieve to be true.I believe the church Founded By Jesus under the Guidance of Peter is the only True church.Proof1.2Billion-still growing
---Emcee on 4/27/05


But Emcee, they say "I am a catholic, not a christian"

I believe that RCC is Christian ... you have seen me defend the RCC vigourously on these blogs) but it seems that many RCs deny it. It hardly helps!
---Alan_of_U.K. on 4/27/05


Alan:TRUTH is Truth different slants changes the agenda & it is no more truth.The differences caused the split it was not works & faith it was doctrineslike faith & morals,these are the things in the causing a decay in society,family break ups disease & pestilence satanic cults& a host of others Brother we need to get back to grass roots the word of God is in the bible we have been called to live the word not use it to justify our actions.Those who say Catholic are emphasising that they belong to the Roman catholic church. but they are all followers of Christ hence christians.
---Emcee on 4/26/05


Alan:TRUTH is Truth different slants changes the agenda & it is no more truth.The differences caused the split it was not works & faith it was doctrineslike faith & morals,these are the things in the causing a decay in society,family break ups disease & pestilence satanic cults& a host of others Brother we need to get back to grass roots the word of God is in the bible we have been called to live the word not use it to justify our actions.Those who say Catholic are emphasising that they belong to the Roman catholic church. but they are all followers of Christ hence christians.
---Emcee on 4/26/05


Emcee ... Luther found many things wrong with the RCC of which he was a priest. Among them being a belief that works rather than faith was the key to heaven. He did not want to break away, but when he published his treatise about Justification by faith, he was thrown out.

Shortly after, the RCC had the Counter Reformation, and a lot of the per, but to non RCC now, there are still many things which we regard as non-Biblical, where you find they are not.

We need, I think to agree that there are different slants of the same Truth, and not to vilify each other.
---Alan_of_U.K. on 4/25/05




Emcee ... I am so glad you say we are all Christians, and like me you must be sad that so many Roman Catholic Christians actually say "No I am not a Christian, I am a Catholic"

Yes catholic means universal, and that is why many outside the RCC realise that they are members of the catholic (but not Roman) church. You should really say Roman Catholic rather than just Catholic.

Although not RC myself, you have seen elsewhere here that I have done all I can to persuade the anti-RCs that the RCC is Christian, but some of your members as above would deny that
---Alan_of_U.K. on 4/25/05


Alan of UK:#1-We are all Christians. We who call ourselves catholics, is because we are affiliated to the Universal church Of Rome. Catholic=universal.#2 Am I to understand because LUTHER finding some perversion in the R/church, to speak literally, threw the baby out with the bath water!!!!& it is justification for disregarding the word god, We all know man has innumerable excuses for disregarding the word, Changing the word-is that Right?.Do not Kill Means just that, not contraception- try continence.
---Emcee on 4/25/05


Emcee you say "We call ourselves Catholics because we believe in the participation of the transubstantiation,
& deny the idea of contraception"

I have never heard that as a definition of Roman Catholicism.

In fact I think contraception is a fairly recent issue in the RCC, as are priest's celibacy, and Papal infallibility
---Alan_of_U.K. on 4/24/05


Emcee ... the main split between the RCC and others, at the time of the Reformation, was that Luther saw how perverted the RCC had become, with emphasis on works only as the means of salvation, and not faith, which is scriptural. Also he saw the way in which indulgences were sold ... buying one's way into heaven.
---Alan_of_U.K. on 4/24/05


Emcee ... you have not answered my basic question, which is 'Why do they say ... "I am not a Christian, I am a Catholic"?'

The definition of "catholic" is universal ... so that in any case should include us all ... you should not reserve it to yourselves. You should say "Roman Catholic"
---Alan_of_U.K. on 4/24/05


Alan Of UK:Catholicism IS christianity going back to Jesus Christ.He is the way The truth & the life & his church, given to Peter, BY OUR BLESSED LORD--- not some descension in King James & Henry VIII's Era, his bible was compiled on the writings of original scholars who were ordinary people 'Come I will make you fishers of men'. Is it possible that something has been taken out of context to make it more simplistic or more confusing giving rise to different denominations??OR was it because its adherance,were too strict.???what are the differences to the catholic church & OTHERS
---Emcee on 4/23/05


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ALAN OF UK:-I do respect you as a bro because we are called upon to love one another& this I do, but have reservations when I see the misinformation circulated. Knowing the Bible is one thing,l earning the Bible is another;But LIVING the bibleis what it is all about,Not all who say "Lord Lord will enter the Kingdom of heaven,But those who do the will of my Father" Jesus enlighten those who truly seek to follow you.He suffered on the cross, surely we can do our bit.NO gain without pain.Each of us must conquer our temptations in our garden of Gethsamane.
---Emcee on 4/23/05


Alan of Uk:-All christians are supposedly followers of christ,the division is caused in the beliefs & methods of acceptance,just as you have black sheep & white sheep,some even black & white.We call ourselves Catholics because we believe in the participation of the transubstantiation,
& deny the idea of contraception & a few other which is not worthy to open as it is all another subject. Contd
---Emcee on 4/23/05


Emcee ... I am the one who is trying to say we are all Christian, so let's be brothers and sisters, and if you read my past posts you will see I defend the RCC on many occasions against derision and condemnation.

But, by calling themselves Catholic and not Christians, and by saying non-RCC denominations are invalid, it is the RCC that is causing the division.
---Alan_of_U.K. on 4/23/05


Emcee you have not answered my question, only emphasised it.

Roman Catholics do not call themselves Christian. They call themselves Catholics

Why do they say ... "I am not a Christian, I am a Catholic"?

I visited some RCC nuns once, and they were saying how great it was that some eminent person had converted from Christianity to Catholicism
---Alan_of_U.K. on 4/23/05


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Alan of UK:-)Catholic = Universal,Christian = followers of Christ, The Roman is because we are affiliated to the church of Rome, under the guidance of the Pope who is the representative of Christ on this earth who when he speaks on matters of church & morals is infallible, Jesus said, have no fear I am with you at all times even to the end of the world.now before you may tend to go balistic, Since you have asked I am making a declaration, strange we call ourselves brothers & sisters but are diverse on our beliefs, is it because the evil one is a master of distraction or deception.
---Emcee on 4/22/05


That is an intersted question about KingJames.hmmm.I'll start a new question with that:-)
---candice on 4/22/05


Emcee ...I try so hard to sympathise with the Roman Catholic Church, but one thing that makes me find this difficult is you refer to yourself as catholic and not Christian.

When in a group we ask each other about our faith, Roman Catholics will say "catholic" Non-Romans will say "Christian" and only enlarge with their denomination if asked.

Why do members of the RCC put their catholicism before their Christianity? Some even say, I am not Christian, I am catholic"
---Alan_of_U.K. on 4/22/05


Bruce:-) Having quoted all the pasages from the OT in which you explain the Divine Right so when Jesus came to give us a new Covenant & declared that he appoints Peter to carry on his ministry in his new church incorporating His Fathers commandments from the old law why did the king J decide to retransalate & overrule Jesus's Covenant.Because even that did not stand & we have so many denominations today.why does the catholic church have such a large following of 1.2 billion today?
---Emcee on 4/22/05


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