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Must We Forgive For Our Salvation

Is forgiveness the same as grace? and do we need to forgive one another just "as God forgives us" to recieve His forgiveness?

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 ---Elaine on 4/24/05
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In the Lord's prayer, you are asking the Lord to forgive you your sins as you forgive those who sin against you, but grace is not the same as forgiveness. The forgiving you give results in your forgiveness, 'God is within you.' Grace has no before or after, but is something in addition to the forgiveness, it is the joy.
---gregg on 4/24/08


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It's like slapping your spouse in the face planning to do it again but ask for forgiveness. You slap him/her again , yet you want to do it again and you ask for forgiveness. Again and again. If you are planning to do it again then how in the world do you expect to be forgiven? My God isn't a fool, he knows our hearts.
---Matthew on 5/17/07


I hear a new Gosple being preached in here..and it isnt from me. I can see many are corrupt in there beliefs. The Holy Spirit
is not with them.
---duane on 5/17/07


yes we must forgive. that's what scripture tells us. How could we not live a graceful life if we have been shown mercy from God. Those that refuse to forgive are hurting themselves more than the one that they don't forgive. And the biggest thing they are hurting is their relationship with God.
---Jared on 5/17/07


Forgiveness is not equal to grace. Forgiveness is completely releasing an offender of any guilt or punishment or consequences for their offense; God's grace is Jesus Christ; God's grace is his benevolence, goodness, mercy, pity, and lovingkindness.
---Eloy on 5/17/07




Forgiveness is not automatic, but obtained from the forgiver. There is no forgiveness nor grace given to sinners without first turning away from their sin. The Commandment is love God and serve God, then I will be gracious to you; the command is not love sin and serve sin, then I will be gracious to you. One must first stop sinning and doing wrong, and then turn to the Lord for his forgiveness, but as long as one continues serving sin and remains active in their sin God will not and cannot excuse them.
---Eloy on 5/17/07


We need to forgive others or we are not forgiven. It's plain and simple. We even ask God to do that in the Lord's prayer. "Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us".
That is an act of mercy and compassion, not grace, according to Matt.18.
---john on 5/17/07


For the OSAS folks, you can still believe in it because it doesn't say you are lost because you didn't forgive your fellow man, it just says you will have to pay.
2Cor.5:10 also says that we will give an answer for every deed done in our bodies, good or bad. It doesn't say we go to hell for the bad, just that we will answer for it. Unforgiveness will also be answered for.
---john on 5/17/07


The scripture that Matthew is typeing about means also to take sin seriously. Like Matthew said God never advocates mutilating the body. We are to take sin seriously. Good day.+
---catherine on 5/17/07


*One could ask, do we need to poke out our eye or cut off our hand(if it offends thee) before we can enter the Kingdom.*

This not to be taken literally. It means remove from your life what causes you to sin whether it be cable,riches,books,magazines etc. I don't know where you heard that some of Jesus' teachings are for the kingdom age and not for now. The real problem is that to take those teachings as said, means to question OSAS. This is why you can't believe them.
---Matthew on 5/16/07




Duane, that is not a covenant. A covenant involves two parties, each giving themselves fully to the other. We are no longer part of the Old Covenant as found in the OT, we now have a New Covenant with Christ. The question is are you in or out?
---lorra8574 on 5/16/07



Its by His grace, through the Blood we are forgiven. It has nothing to do with us.
While we were still enemies, He forgave us our sins. It was one sided, we had no part. He forgave us because He loves us.
This is the Good News.
---duane on 5/16/07


Ephesians 4:26&27 Be ye angry and sin not ;let not the sun go down upon your wrath.Neither give place to the Devil.We must forgive every day, what others do to make us angry,and we aren't to allow the Devil to have a place in our hearts or lives.If you don't forgive another's sins against you ,then God can't forgive you ,for you have malice/sin in your heart for another.You must wipe clean the slate of your heart for God accepts repentence when there is change.Without change it isn't honest repentence.Forgiveness,God forgets past sins,grace is God's favor, after His forgiveness.
---Darlene_1 on 5/16/07


One could ask, do we need to poke out our eye or cut off our hand(if it offends thee) before we can enter the Kingdom. Study to show yourself approved, rightly dividing the word of truth. If we are crucified with Christ,why would we need to do that too. Paul didn't teach these principles for the Church Age. I believe these are kingdom age teachings. The 1000 years when Jesus will rule with an iron rod. They just don't seem to go with our age of Grace.
---kathr4453 on 7/30/06


God is love. This is His constant character. As man, we see forgiveness as judgement vindicated by God. To God, He sees us as a sinner returning to Him--now in right living. As humans we are incapable of the giving out of grace. Grace is from God above to man on earth and forgiveness is from man to man.
---Esther on 7/30/06


forgiveness is a free gift, so when we refuse to forgive others, we are rejecting the forgiveness that we could otherwise have. there is no way to be both forgiven and unforgiving.
---curt on 5/9/05


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Grace is a gift. Ephesians 2:8,9 For by grace are you save through faith: and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. John 3:16 All we do is by faith receive this free gift of salvation. Ro 3:24, 5:20, 6:14
And be kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you. Eph 4:32
---Ulrika on 5/2/05


Matt 6:15 But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive you your trespasses.
See also the parable in Matt 18:21-35
Our debt to God, which He forgave us is so much more immense than the piddly debts others owe us. How can we accept God's forgiveness and not be willing to forgive others? Sometimes we can't on our own power but we can ask God for the spirit of forgiveness.
---Robin on 4/24/05


God forgives us no matter what we've done or said he doesn't use protocol he just LOVES US and forgives us for all our sins. He does commands us and expects us to forgive one another if we believe we are allmembers of HIS family.He gives us the GRACE to forgive not the other way round.
---Sandi on 4/24/05


yes. there is no way to accept God's forgiveness and still refuse to forgive others. Matthew 18 says this very clearly.
---curt on 4/24/05


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Forgiveness is giving release to someone from the penalty of an offense after they have apologized or repented. But grace is much more then forgiveness, it is unearned mercy or pity that we accept. The answer to the 2nd part of your question is "yes", Jesus explains this to Peter in Matthew 18:21-35.
---Eloy on 4/24/05


MATTHEW 18:21-35!!!
---Leon on 4/24/05


Elaine:
GRACE and FORGIVENESS are pretty much the same BUT there is a slight but important differance: GRACE: is always undeserrved FORGIVENESS: can be deserved or undeserved.
As Christians we are to be ready to offer both generously remembering how much grace and forgiveness God has extended to us.
---Pierre on 4/24/05


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