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Does The Spirit Of Man Die

If it is the soul that is born again, what about the spirit of man, has it died at all, and how are we one with the Lord?

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Luke: Do you believe that your "soul-spook" is immortal? If so, what do you do with:

1Ti 6:16 [God] Who only hath immortality



---jerry6593 on 5/19/14


Dear Luke

You did not comment on a single verse I posted.

Okay I thought I had answered this but I do so now. JESUS is both GOD and man. So who and what He is are not the same as all other beings on earth and in Heaven. That exact nature has been argued about for 2,000 years.

On Revelation being symbolic like being a parable does not change the significance or meaning of a verse. The souls of those who are martyred are under the altar. They cry for vengeance then are given robes and told to rest until judgment day. Just as the blood of Abel. Genesis 4:10


Conditionalism is taught by many groups. The doctrine is over 1,500 years old. Some say older. I have only used the Bible to show my points period.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/16/14


Dear Samuel,
You still did not give me an answer about the make-up of Jesus. You are walking around in circles. Why do you not respond to my questions?
You said the passages in Revelation are symbolic, does that change what the passage means? If it does, then nothing in revelation is truth. Every time you get a passage you can always twist out of what it says by saying it was symbolic. Just another way of refusing the truth as I see it, and only for the reason of defending your doctrines. Scripture speaks out, but you are not listening brother. You keep saying, what your denomination teach. Not what the Bible teaches. Agape
---Luke on 5/16/14


Matthew 26:38 Sorry unto death or his soul would die for sorrow. How does that help you prove the soul cannot die?

John 13:21 I have already agreed that Spirit is part of who we are and refers to our thoughts as well as the Breath of life. So this is part of what we teach.

Rev 6:9 This is symbolic as most of Revelation is. Unless you think that GOD puts some of his people under a stone for some reason.

Eph 2:1 Since the passage does not use the word Spirit but is talking about the person which I agree we have to be Born Again by the power of the HOLY SPIRIT.

So now please explain some of the verses I have shown you.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/12/14


//Which is why I have been pointing out that your passage in 1Thess 5:13 is a common theme used in the Bible for overlapping words.//

Overlapping words you say? What is that all about? I gave you the make-up of Jesus with the passages in Matthew 26:38, and John 13:21. How about Revelation 6:9 where John saw under the alter the souls of them that were slain for the word of God. And how about Eph. 2:1 where we are told that when we are saved our spirits are quickened or made alive? Which indicates our spirits were dead when we were lost. There is much, much more. Agape
---Luke on 5/10/14




Yes Luke I knew that soul had many different meaning. I knew that the context gives the clue to how the word is used. Which is why I have been pointing out that your passage in 1Thess 5:13 is a common theme used in the Bible for overlapping words. The hermeneutics, which I have read books on, is what helps me to understand that in its many uses is the true meaning of the word.
Not the assigning of a meaning by people based on tradition. I also believe all passages on a topic must be combined to provide a proper understanding of a doctrine.
So I am just asking you to follow your own reasoning and use of hermeneutics to find the truth.
Look at all the verses, then pray and use the Bible to tell you what is true.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/9/14


//Remember you wrote that soul has many different meanings. None are a separate entity that lives apart from the body.//

I did say that soul has many meanings for the simple reason that students of the Bible should know that the word soul, and the word spirit should be understood by the context in the passages given when those words were mentioned. Early writers wrote different from each other. A simple lesson on hermeneutics will help you understand that the words differ depending on the passage and the context.
Jesus Christ was exactly like us only without sin. He had a physical body made up of flesh, a human soul, and a human spirit. We are the same as He is. Agape
---Luke on 5/9/14


Luke: You seem to continue to argue that your soul is your spirit - a spook trapped within you and freed only at death. You even quote 1 Th 5:23 "may your whole spirit, soul and body" as proof, when it actually contradicts your thesis by showing that the "soul" and the "spirit" are separate and distinct entities - not the same thing. Open your mind for a moment and learn from Samuel rather than arguing with him.



---jerry6593 on 5/9/14


Dear Luke

Yes the one verse you cling to say what you say. But the commands of GOD use different words to mean the whole person. Please explain why I am mistaken and what all the verses I have posted mean then.

Rom 8:23
And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

Also James 2:26,5:20 Hebrews 4:12,Mat 10:28, Rev. 16:3

1Co 15:45

And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul,..

Remember you wrote that soul has many different meanings. None are a separate entity that lives apart from the body.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/8/14


Dear Samuel, Samuel,
Brother, what are you now doing? You are now giving a command Jesus gave, to explain the make-up of man. What will you do next?
When Jesus spoke concerning His own body, He said soul and spirit. He was not giving a command on how we should love Him. You are so far off brother, but I understand.
Here, let me help you:
"Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely" (This means to sanctify the whole person) and may your whole spirit, soul and body be preserved blameless at the coming of or Lord Jesus Christ. He who calls you is faithful who also will do it" (1 Thess. 5:23,24).
---Luke on 5/8/14




Thanks Elena.



---jerry6593 on 5/8/14


Man is made of heart, soul, strength. Wait understanding is in there too. You are misusing a single verse.

Mat 22:37

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Mar 12:30

And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.


Mar 12:33

And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, ...




Luk 10:27

...Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength,...
agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/7/14


Dear Samuel,
You've given nothing but your explanation of Gen. 2:7 which does not describe the make-up of man.
Jesus, who was human like all of us except without sin, possessed a human rational body, soul and a spirit.
According to Matthew 26:38 Christ said to His disciples:
"My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death" He possessed a human soul.
In John 13:21 in regard to His spirit it is recorded:
"When Jesus had thus said, He was troubled in the spirit" From these and other scriptures it is evident that Christ possessed a true human body. Jesus Christ the Son of God had a complete human nature including body, soul and spirit like all of us. Do not try to change His human nature. Agape
---Luke on 5/6/14


To Bro.Jerry6593,all respect to.you really good the way.you explain it.
The Holy Spirit,is real.Just let you ! there alot of merit in.what you are saying.

Love of Jesus!
---Elena_9555 on 5/5/14


you can see, Genesis 2:7 was not describing the make-up of man. ... you disregard the passages that do give the make-up of man, been body, soul and spirit.
I said man was triune like God.. Luke

Yes Triune means three. But you ignore that your one verse not verses is synonymous with the three other passages so that you are misusing the verse. Also I know what triune means but since the verse you quote does not mean that because of the other three synonymous verses I do not accept your point.

I do not see since you have not given me any verse that proves that man is not a combination of body and spirit making a soul just your say so. Nor do you explain any of the verses I post. Why do ignore these verses?

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/5/14


Luke: "The Holy Ghost is not a spook as you say"

You need to brush up on your reading skills. I never said that the Holy Spirit is a spook. He is God. It is those who think that the "soul" is an immortal, self-existent entity that transcends death who believe in spooks. Do YOU believe in spooks?


---jerry6593 on 5/5/14


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//But there is no spook trapped within us that flies away at death. That is pagan mythology.//

The Holy Ghost is not a spook as you say, and then turn around and say it's a pagan mythology.
So why don't you tell us what happens to the Holy Ghost who indwells believers when the believer dies a physical death? Does He die and turns to dust? Or does the Spirit go to sleep? And what happens to the spirit of man, which is immaterial? Jesus had a spirit like every man. When He died, He presented His spirit to the Father, was that a spook He gave to the Father?

"And when Jesus had cried out with a loud voice, He said, "Father, unto Your hands I commit My spirit" Luke 23:46, was that a spook Jesus gave up?
---Luke on 5/4/14


The blog question is misleading. It is GOD'S spirit - not MAN's - that gives life to the body and transforms the union into a living person (Gen 2:7). We have a choice of which spirit abides in us - The Holy Spirit or Satan's spirit. But there is no spook trapped within us that flies away at death. That is pagan mythology.



---jerry6593 on 5/3/14


//You state man is a triune being, because GOD is three persons. That does not work. The Father, Son, and HOLY SPIRIT are three different being one GOD. We are a person made up of two parts that make a third.//

Samuel, you made a doctrine of Gen. 2:7, then give the passage in 1 Cor. 15:45 which explains what Gen. was saying
"And so it is written, The first man Adam became a living being, the last Adam became a life giving spirit" As you can see, Genesis 2:7 was not describing the make-up of man. In your faith, you disregard the passages that do give the make-up of man, been body, soul and spirit.
I said man was triune like God in that he is made up of three parts, that is what triune means, "Three",
---Luke on 5/3/14


Dear Luke
You state man is a triune being, because GOD is three persons. That does not work. The Father, Son, and HOLY SPIRIT are three different being one GOD. We are a person made up of two parts that make a third.
1Co 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul, the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

JESUS walked earth in Human form not that of the Spirit. So this passage is pointing out about the HOLY SPIRIT. Which we need to be Born Again and saved. We are one thing here a soul.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/2/14


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Dear Samuel,
man is a triune being, he is created in the image of God.
"God said, let Us make man in Our image" Genesis 1:26. Genesis 2:7 is not describing the make-up of man. Only that he became a life being when breath went into him. Man is spirit soul and body. The spirit is not breath. We are told,
"I pray God your whole spirit, and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ' (1 Thess. 5:23).

"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow (body) and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart" Hebrews 4:12. Agape
---Luke on 5/2/14


Dear Luke

Genesis 2:7 As our Creator, He is also Sustainer. It takes this breath of life, plus the body, to make a living soul.

The spirit is not some kind of separate entity that floats around somewhere.

When a person dies, the body returns to dust and the breath of life goes back to God (who gave it). (Psalm 146:4, Ecclesiastes 12:7, and Job 34:14) This is not in the form of some spiritual being, it is simply the energizing spark of life our essence, essential to individual existence. The spirit or soul has no conscious existence apart from the body.

So while we are alive we are able to understand because yes the Spirit is more then breath. But you still are not giving verses to prove your points.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/1/14


//Where I disagree is that the Spirit which is both breath and the true us exists as a soul that goes to hell or heaven at death. This verse shows what I believe as your words agree.//


Dear Samuel,
"There is a spirit in man, and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understand" Job 32:9.
Here we are told that it is the spirit of man that is given understanding. The materialist tells us, like you do, that the spirit of man is the air that he breathes. Can the air get understanding? nonsense. God is called "The God of the spirits of all flesh" Numbers 16:22.
God is Spirit, and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth, John 4:24.
---Luke on 5/1/14


1 Corth. 15:53,54.
That is speaking of the physical body. Not the spirit of believers which is united with Christ forever in One body. So you need to find out what it is you are going to speak about. "Body" which is physical body, "spirit" which is the immaterial part of man that communicates with God. Agape Luke

Why are you telling me what I actually have been saying as if I am not saying it. I totally agree with this statement.

Where I disagree is that the Spirit which is both breath and the true us exists as a soul that goes to hell or heaven at death. This verse shows what I believe as your words agree.

Where are the verses that say what you teach?

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/1/14


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//Then compare... verses that say the Soul is a combination of body and spirit. That the many different meanings of these words do not include immortality. 1Ti 6:16//

Dear Samuel,
Did you not read what happens to the physical body?
"For the trumpet will sound, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immorality" 1 Corth. 15:53,54.
That is speaking of the physical body. Not the spirit of believers which is united with Christ forever in One body. So you need to find out what it is you are going to speak about. "Body" which is physical body, "spirit" which is the immaterial part of man that communicates with God. Agape
---Luke on 5/1/14


Dear Luke. Why do you think I was only taught this and have never actually looked up words with Strong's. I have used Lexicons but sometimes I read the opinion about the word instead of what the passages say.

Once earlier I asked you to take all the Bible verses that you say means the soul is immortal and the intelligent thinking spirit is in heaven.

Then compare it to all the Bible verses that say the Soul is a combination of body and spirit. That the many different meanings of these words do not include immortality.


1Ti 6:16

Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto, whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/30/14


Dear Samuel,
You need to read the definition of the words like, spirit, soul, and body. Words in the Bible have many meanings depending on where you find the words. I mentioned before concerning spirit "Ruach" in Eccl. 3:21, for spirit has many meanings depending on the passage. What you have done is to use one definition no matter where you find it. Or you use figure of speech passages as literal just to stay with one answer, no matter what the writer of Scripture intended.
But if you really want to find the real truth, you have to do little work, like looking words up in a lexicon. That is only is the only way to find the true meaning, not what someone taught you. Thanks for keeping things within borders, Agape
---Luke on 4/29/14


Their physical body is dead and rots, their soul is not asleep or rottening. Soul is immaterial part of man. It does not die since it has no body that dies nor does it need rest. Luke

Where does the Bible say these things? Chapter and verse?


Eze 18:20

The soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Gen 2:7

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

These verses say the soul dies and that it is made up of the Body and Spirit combined. So that is what I believe.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 4/29/14


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//Dear Luke. It is not my claim. The Bible calls the dead asleep.
John 11:11-14
These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth, but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.... Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.//


The Bible does call the dead asleep, but just because it does, it does not mean they are asleep. It is a figure of speech. Their physical body is dead and rots, their soul is not asleep or rottening. Soul is immaterial part of man. It does not die since it has no body that dies nor does it need rest.
---Luke on 4/25/14


Dear Luke. It is not my claim. The Bible calls the dead asleep.
John 11:11-14
These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth, but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.... Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

Why, because JESUS is coming to wake the dead in the two resurrections.
I also said and have given verses that say all the spirits of humans go to GOD at death. So yes I did answer your question about that part.

James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
So the Body has to be reunited with the Spirit at the time of transformation.

Yes we will be like Christ in a glorified physical body.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/24/14


Dear Samuel,
You first claim people are not dead but asleep. Jesus said they were dead. Asleep is a figure of speech. Now you do not believe the spirit of believers who died a physical death are with Christ. That is why you didn't answer my question. Instead you gave
"
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.//

The physical bodies are dead. What will be resurrected is the glorified new bodies. The dead in Christ will rise first. When their glorified bodies rise, they will meet with their spirits who come with Christ. They will be just like Christ. For He has a physical glorified body.
---Luke on 4/24/14


The Spirits of the all the dead go to GOD.


1Th 4:13-17NASB

But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope.

For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus.

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.


For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

If they are awake in Heaven why do they need to awaken?
---Samuelbb7 on 4/23/14


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Dear Samuel,
If the spirit of those who have died do not go with God, then how is it possible for the saints who have died to come together with Christ at the Second Coming?
"Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, "Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints" Jude 1:14.
"So that He may establish your hearts blameless in holiness before our God and Father at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His saints" 1 Thess. 3:13.
And there is more, agape.
---Luke on 4/23/14


Samuel, if the Spirit of God does not live in a person, they are spiritually dead. When a person is born again of the Spirit of God, we are made alive in Christ. A good thing to know is if we are born once, we die twice but if we are born twice, we die once. Born in the flesh and born in the spirit makes us born twice.

---shira4368

Yes. You are absolutely correct.

We must be Born Again to enter the kingdom of Heaven.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/22/14


Samuel, if the Spirit of God does not live in a person, they are spiritually dead. When a person is born again of the Spirit of God, we are made alive in Christ. A good thing to know is if we are born once, we die twice but if we are born twice, we die once. Born in the flesh and born in the spirit makes us born twice.
---shira4368 on 4/21/14


Luke There is the Spirit that makes human being alive and walking the earth.
James 2:26
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
That is the Spirit that returns to GOD at our death.
Ecc 12:7
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

But when Adam sinned he was no longer spiritually alive. He and all since are dead in trespasses and sin. 1Co 15:22, 45 Which is what you are talking about. Here we agree.

We need the HOLY SPIRIT to make us alive spiritually since we are dead to GOD, which is why we have to be Born Again by the power of the HOLY SPIRIT.
Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 4/21/14


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Man is a triune being, he is created in the image of God.
"God said, let Us make man in Our image" Genesis 1:26.
Paul said,
"I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ" 1 Thess. 5:23.

"But as it is written, eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love Him. But God hath revealed them unto us by His Spirit, for the Spirit searches all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of man, save the spirit of man which is in him? Even so the thing of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God" 1 Cor. 2:9-11.
---Luke on 4/20/14


Gen 2:7

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

The word for Breath is Spirit which is mentioned before.

Jas 2:26
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Ecc 12:7

Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Pray about it. Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 4/18/14


Adam had the Holy Spirit in him at creation. After he sinned the Holy Spirit left him. The space the Holy spirit occupied became empty. Men could be posessed by any spirit/evil spirit occupying this place. Men of God had an external anointing upon then to function as men of God. Mankind lived in this condition without the Holy Spirit(carnal)until Jesus sent the Holy spirit to New believers' heart-Born again. The spirit part of man is only functional when a spirit lives in that part of him. True Worship widens the area the spirit lives,encroached on bt the soul in absence of the a occupying Spirit. so the Spirit of God rules over the mind in that person.
---winston on 4/16/14


That should have read "body ~ sarx " not "body ~ Sara". I hate auto correct.
---blogger8980 on 6/12/12


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The words " Soul" and "spirit" also have different meanings n the bible

Another meaning of the words soul and spirit is ' The will or determination"

We often speak of a spirited horse, a horse with strong will not easily broken

1 Samuel 18:1 the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David,

This does not mean that they shared the same brain function. It meant the loved each other.

Aften the bible speaks of one soul as being your innermost thoughts, what is dear to you. This is not the same as soul meaning body and breath/ spirit.

1 Thess 5:23 I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
---francis on 6/12/12


Spirit ~ pneuma
soul ~ psuche (sp?)
body ~ Sara

The spirit is who the believer is as born of God (righteous, holy, complete, delivered, healed, etc). The soul consists of the mind which must be renewed, the will, emotions, intelligence, personality, imagination, and reasoning. The body is the expression. The heart ~ cardia~ is the place of conviction and belief.
---blogger8980 on 6/11/12


Linda, you are not a spirit. You are person, consisting of body and a soul (the life inside the body, made up of your will and emotions). Now, you can be oppressed or possessed by an outside spirit, like an evil spirit, or by God's Spirit, but you yourself are not a spirit. When you're body dies, you're soul remains alive and leaves your body. Then you will become a spirit, instead of a mortal human.
---Jed on 6/11/12



Hogwash!

And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly, and I pray God your whole SPIRIT and SOUL and BODY be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ (1 Thes 5:23)

Three in one! Just like our God!
---LindaH on 6/11/12


Blogger, would you like to clarify your definition of spirit and soul. Please tell us what you believe to be the difference between the two.
---Jed on 6/11/12


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Jed, those who are born of the Spirit ARE spirit. The only other option is to born of flesh and be flesh. A born again believer is a spirit, has a soul, and lives in a body. Made in the image of God, he is three parts of a whole. That is why a believer can be called righteous in Christ apart from his performance or thoughts.
---blogger8980 on 6/11/12


Linda, you are not a spirit. You are person, consisting of body and a soul (the life inside the body, made up of your will and emotions). Now, you can be oppressed or possessed by an outside spirit, like an evil spirit, or by God's Spirit, but you yourself are not a spirit. When you're body dies, you're sould remains alive and leaves your body. Then you will become a spirit, instead of a mortal human.
---Jed on 6/11/12


Do not confuse the functions of the brain with your soul or spirit.

the function of the brain is to think, and evoke emotions. That s not your soul.

If you had brain damage your soul would still exist ( BEING BREATH AND BODY)

But when you stop breathing, your brain functions also stops and you die, at this point the soul no longer exists
---francis on 6/11/12


Did someone forget that the rich man in hell still could feel the flames love his brothers could see could hear new he was thristy The sprit of a christian man is born again now his body will be born again in the resurection. Man is a body soul and sprit paul said he was caught up to the thrid heaven in the body or not he didn,t know he still retained every thing that the soul did so does the soul and spirit go together at the point of death .
---Jerry_Garrison on 6/9/12


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Leslie: You define "man's spirit" as "God's breath." Does God give a different "breath" to each person and to every animal as well?

Ecc 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts, even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other, yea, they have all one breath, so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast:
---jerry6593 on 8/21/10


Let's remember to speak the truth in love and give grace to those who are even asking questions. At least they are asking.
---Marianna on 8/20/10


God created man as spirit(God's breath), soul (mind,will,emotions), and body. The spirit is what gets born again and lives for eternity. The soul and body do not get saved and only live as long as the person lives.
---Leslie on 3/4/08


I believe that the soul is what the Lord die for, and that it is eternal, the spirit of man must align itself with the spirit of God (Holy Spirit). If you walk in the Spirit, you will deny the lust of your flesh. See Gal. 5:16. also read 2 cor. 4:16. I believe we are one with the Lord though the Holy Spirit. You must be born again, not of flesh but by the spirit. John 3:6. I pray that these scriptures help. :)
---david5083 on 3/4/08


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TS, are you intent on losing your soul?
You could end up dead, dead, dead.
You don't believe in hell, so for you maybe you will be ash ugly somewhere.
Jesus gives us beauty for ashes.
"to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness."
---MclaineD. on 5/9/07


as usual, everyone misunderstands the simplest of things. when we become one with God and obey his teachings and commandments through repentence and faith, we are reborn in the spirit through righteousness. everyone will die in mortality, but our spirits will never die, they are eternal. We will receive our rewards how we live after the judgment. for those loving evil over goodness and mercy, they will be cut off from God's presence or a spiritual death. no one ceases to be as so many profess.
---ashley on 5/9/07


"The Soul that sinneth shall die"

Pretty clear that the soul dies and is not immortal.
---TS on 5/9/07


Linda:The soul is the Spirit of God living in Man it never dies,mans body-- dust thou art & into dust thou shalt return.The soul is immortal.That is why Satan seeks the soul through the body.
---Emcee on 5/9/07


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Pierres you seem to be saying that the "Spirit" has nothing to do with our conscious being. I don't get that, because when paul says "I delight ... " etc, he is clearly talking about his conscious thinking deciding being. And if it is that our conscious being accepts jesus, it is som e other part that is saved? Does not add up. But you say this is so important to understand ... why?
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/12/06


It is not the soul of man that is born again. It is the spirit of man and is made new. Created in His image, we are spirit because He is Spirit. The soul is the 'CD PLAYER' as an example.
---Maggie on 1/11/06


Alan of UK+Co.
3rd ed. of "to be cont"
Now let me suggest that in the context of THE REBIRTH the listening,thinking,deciding, obeying SPIRIT is the INNER MAN which the Bible talks about in:
ROM;7:22"for in my INNER BEING (=Spirit) I delight in God's law" and Eph;3:16"I pray that...He may strengthen you...through His SPIRIT (=HOLY SPIRIT) in your INNER BEING (= Spirit).
Conl 2: It is the INNER MAN/SPIRIT that is REBORN when he* accepts Jesus as Saviour! I hope that helps!
* INNER MAN equally F and M!
---Pierr7958 on 5/5/05


Alan of UK+Co.
3rd ed. of "to be cont"
Now let me suggest that in the context of THE REBIRTH the listening,thinking,deciding, obeying SPIRIT is the INNER MAN which the Bible talks about in:
ROM;7:22"for in my INNER BEING (=Spirit) I delight in God's law" and Eph;3:16"I pray that...He may strengthen you...through His SPIRIT (=HOLY SPIRIT) in your INNER BEING (= Spirit).
Conl 2: It is the INNER MAN/SPIRIT that is REBORN when he* accepts Jesus as Saviour! I hope that helps!
* INNER MAN equally F and M!
---Pierr7958 on 5/5/05


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Alan of UK and Co.
Sorry I did not clear it up. It is so important that I will try again. To help us let's use a small s for the spirit which means the same as BREATH and let us use a capital S for the Spirit which means the same as THE INNER MAN.
Now let me suggest that in the context of CREATION, we call the result of the combination of DUST + spirit (breath of life)= A LIVING SOUL or the OUTER MAN. Concl. 1 spirit is the same as breath GEN 2:7 to be cont.
---PIERR7958 on 5/3/05


Still puzzled!! & I bet others are. I will try again ..
"What is our conscious being? What is it that thinks, and listens & decides?"
"What is it that accepts Jesus as our saviour?" Clearly that is our conscious ... but soul or spirit?

Seems from what has been said before that it is our soul... then it seems odd that the thing that accepted Jesus should die.

Back I think to Linda's simple question.
---Alan_of_U.K. on 5/3/05


Still puzzled!! I will tryu again ..
"What is our conscious being? What is it that thinks, and listens & decides?"
"What is it that accepts Jesus as our saviour?" Clearly that is our conscious ... is that our soul or our spirit.

Seems from what has been said before that it is our soul... then it seems odd that the thing that accepted Jesus should die.
---Alan_of_U.K. on 5/3/05


Cliff/Alan of UK:
Let me try to help.
In the context of CREATION, we have the following: DUST + BREATH OF LIFE (=spirit) adding up to a LIVING SOUL (=person) In this case man has not been given a SOUL but he has become SOUL (it exists only as long as man breathes) It ceases to exist when man dies. It will live again at 1st or 2nd resurection, either to put on immortlity or to be destroyed for ever. The SPIRIT in the context of the REBIRTH is the same as rhe INNER MAN (mind-will=character). It is that SPIRIT which is reborn.
---Pierr7958 on 5/3/05


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Cliff ... like others I find this very confusing. There is obviously some part of us which goes to be with God, whether you call it soul or spirit does not really matter... unless they are separate things.

If soul and spirit are different, which is which? I think Linda's question should be addressed.
---Alan_of_U.K. on 5/3/05


Emcee;Are you humble enough to take a little counsel? Makeing statements that cant be supported by scripture can be very cofusing and missleadding.I'm sure your not trying to misslead....If you make a statement like "the soul is immortal"" then back it up with the appropriate scripture. If you cant dont make the statement! agape
---1st_cliff on 4/28/05


To clear up confusion, consult a concordance with the Greek and Hebrew words of the original manuscripts. In the old testament Spirit was translated from the Hebrew word Neshamah (literally breath) or the Hebrew word ruach (literally wind). In the new testament it is usually translated from the Greek word pneuma (literally air or breath) and is the root for words such as pneumonia, pneumatic, etc.
"Spirit" comes from the Latin spiritus (literally breath). When the Bible speaks of a spirit as a ghost like being, it comes from the word apparition or phantasma.
---Robin on 4/27/05


Linda:The immaterial & immortal principle which is the substantial form of the body & which gives unity to the human being;that infused principle which through God gives life to man & remains for all eternity.That is your soul.It goes back to the Almighty to give an account of your stewardship.
---Emcee on 4/26/05


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Please clear this up for me. The soul is what sinned and died and is born again. The spirit that God gave in the garden is what compared to the spirit that God gives when we are born again? What is born again, our spirit or our soul?
---Linda on 4/26/05


Linda, as Robin wrote, read Genesis account of how God made man. Man was made in the form of God (SPIRIT). God made a body of earth and breathed life (soul) into it. When we die, the body and soul must die. IF we are of God, our spirit is of God and can not die. It is therefore the theophony or perfect body God provides that we will inhabit eternally. (In My house are many mansions). (If this tabernacle be dissolved there is a perfect one waiting in heaven). We will be in one accord as in marriage, two shall become one (again from Genesis).
---mike_fl on 4/25/05


Emcee; Can you show me ONE scripture that says the "soul is immortal" If you use an exhustive concordence,you will find "soul" has more than 800 listings. might surprize you!
---1st_cliff on 4/25/05


It is written, 'No one knows the things of God but the Spirit of God and no one knows the things of a man but the spirit of man in him' and 'Only God is immortal.' Also, 'We live, move, and have our being in God' and 'the life is in the blood.' The spirit of man exchanges breath with God and the blood is the life of man, without the blood you have no reason to breathe and no way to enjoy the things of God.
---gregg on 4/25/05


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your soul is ....your mind, your will and your emotions.....you spirit is YOU.....when all dies YOU go home
---Jackie on 4/25/05


Emcee, the soul is not immortal. Ezekiel 18:4 "...the soul who sins shall die." It takes a body (from dust of the earth) and the Spirit (life giving breath of God) to make a living soul. Genesis 2:7 "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Only God is immortal until we put on immortality at His coming. 1 Timothy 6:5,16 "...He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who ALONE has immortality..."
---Robin on 4/25/05


Linda: I sincerely hope you are not the same Linda who asked the same question earlier but here we go again:
You, Linda are a LIVING SOUL the result of the combination of DUST and the BREATH OF LIFE, also known as SPIRIT. Unless that combination is present THERE IS NO LIVING SOUL. So it is YOU, Linda who is/was born again not your DUST nor your BREATH/Spirit! The way we are one with the Lord is when we walk in His ways acc. to His will. Emcee:The Bible NEVER refers to SOUL as being immortal!
---Pierre on 4/25/05


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