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Is There A Death Bed Salvation

Does a deathbed salvation get you into heaven even though there wasn't a water baptism?

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Bottom line is, if you have given your life to God and have repented of your sins you should be (and should want to be) baptized because the Bible tells us that we should. That much is clear whether or not you believe it is necessary for salvation or if you believe it is an act of faith and symbolic of the washing away of sin. I mean, I dont see anyone saying "dont be baptized" so obviously we are in agreement that we should do it.
---Gary on 11/26/10


Please supply the scripture that says by faith ALONE we are saved. There is not one because it takes more than just believing. You also have to obey the gospel. How much more is a believing Christian guilty if they know the good they should do and do not do it. A lot more. The others are ignorant and thus God will show them mercy because they did not know what they ought to do.
---frances008 on 10/18/08


Deathbed salvation is possible and scriptural. Our best example is the theif on the cross.

If you do not believe in deathbed salvation then you do not believe in salvation by GRACE (Eph. 2:8). You believe it takes more than the precious blood of Christ for one to be saved (1st Pet 1:18-19). You believe in salvation by WORKS (Titus 3:5). You don't believe Christ when he said, "It is finished."(John 19:30) The fact of the matter is that you do not believe in an omnipotent and loving God the Father that doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and amoung the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou? (Dan 4:35)

I'll stop now and let that sink in.
---trey on 10/16/08


A sinner can stop sinning, MarkV. They just don't want to because they have believed the atheists lies put about that there is no moral consequence of sin. We were all born with a conscience and no when we do right or wrong, unless we are mentally incapable and therefore unaccountable for our actions. We preach to get people to first to know that there is a God and a Hell that they are headed for. Then Repentance. That is what the disciples preached. If we do not continue in this ordinance of preaching repentance, then not Jesus's death, but his very life was a waste of time. Many of the elect have not yet come to repentance but God is patient to Us-ward not willing that any man should perish. When that has happened Jesus will return.
---frances008 on 10/14/08


Another question with poison in the tail, like a scorpion. God knows who is going to be saved and who isn't, and I think the deathbed is a place many will try to get on board a lifeboat. However, by then it is a bit too late. What fruits can be produced? Is God fooled. You have had your fun and lived for the devil and benefitted from it all your life, and now you want to go to Heaven??? You have had a million or more opportunities to turn your life around, why is God going to let you suddenly decide for Him on your deathbed??? Deathbed repentance is different. If you are a sheep and have some sins, repentance is going to help you a lot. Secondly, water baptism does NOT save anyone. It is merely a recognizing of a new church member.
---frances008 on 10/13/08




Water baptism is NOT neccessary for eternal salvation!

1Pet3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

The salvation Peter speaks of here is a timely salvation, not an eternal salvation. By following Christ in water baptism we leave the disobedient walk of the worldly, and walk after Christ.

Who are we to judge who goes to heaven or hell? That is God's business. The God I worship is mighty to save, he is sovereign, he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth, and he deserves all the praise, honor and glory.
---trey on 10/13/08


Jesus forgave the thief on the cross because Jesus have not died yet. We were still under the law. A person must be born of the water and of spirit Jesus said. if you don't go through
the the front door you are a thief and a robber. Depart from Me thou that work it iniquity. sign falling too many times.
---jerry on 10/12/08


Prevention is better than cure.We have to answer.We have to pay the piper.As sure as there is life, there is death beds.
---Jack_8773 on 1/4/08


Whenever we call to him,he is there.Yes-I believe salvation near death,is still salvation.It doesn't matter when you accept Jesus as your Lord and savior,only that you do accept him.
---tina8476 on 1/3/08


notlaw, I dont get that. Do you mean God already chose who is going to heaven and who isn't before he made us?
---sue on 1/3/08




There my be death bed realization of the nature of God but never death bed salvation because God chose His elect prior to the creation of the world.
---notlaw99 on 1/3/08


No where in the scriptures does it state that only the theif on the cross went to heaven without being baptized in water or the Holy Spirit and even the baptisim of the Holy Spirit is not necessary to go to heaven.Only a true born again experience is necessary.I do think most people who cry out to God on their deathbed have been saved at one point and scripture does say the backslider is married to the Lord.A person never knows when they'll die though there may not be time for deathbed repentence.
---shirley on 1/3/08


It is not up to the person when he wishes to suddenly see, hear, understand spiritual things. It is up to God. If someone does bring the Gospel in power to someone who is dying, it is because God made it possible for that believer to bring the gospel to him. God uses the hearts of believers and moves them to do His will. If a person could change his own heart, make himself see, hear, and understand spiritual things on his own, then why even preach the Gospel of Christ?
---Mark_V. on 1/3/08


#2. If salvation is that way, then it is as 7th disciple said. People can live as the like till they like, and when they are dying then they can change their own hearts, they can give themselves faith, and they can suddenly understand spiritual things of God. No need for the Gospel at all. We would really be saved by our own works. No wonder so many are lost. Literal water saves no one. Faith in Jesus Christ along does. It comes by the grace of God through faith.
---Mark_V. on 1/3/08


#3. When God has mercy on someone, He not us, gives faith to believe in Christ. Gives a new heart, a new disposition, a new birth, that birth that now includes the Holy Spirit. And as we begin this new life, the Spirit brings light to God's Word all through our lives. Baptism is a command we are given, it symbolizes our conversion, and symbolizes the washing of sins, and the death and resurrection of our bodies just as Christ resurrection. In the Old Testament
---Mark_V. on 1/3/08


#4. the sacrifices of animals didn't save anyone, faith did, and when someone had faith he obeyed the word of God. Obedience to God gave evidence of their faith. The apple didn't curse Adam, the disobedience of his actions did. The apple was but the instrument God used with Able. For all we know, the apple could have been a great apple. Everything we do, is by obedience to God, and we do it because we have faith in Him not in ourselves. Dependence upon Christ.
---Mark_V. on 1/3/08


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#5. God can and does save anyone He wants whenever He wants. It could be seconds before death. It could be when you are young. At no time does He not accomplish what He desires. He says, "I do all that I please" And if it pleases Him to save you while young, He will make everything possible for you to be saved.
---Mark_V. on 1/3/08


To say that deathbed confession works defeats everyday worship. If this is the case, why acknowledge God? Why don't everybody live their life like rock stars. When its time to die accept Jesus then. To believe that theory defeats all Jesus's work. Do not let Satan trick you into thinking that God accepts deathbed confession, because HE don't. Death forces a non believer to give their life to God. "That was for the thief alone." Up to that point, the thief has not heard the gospel. Stay bless
---The_7th_Disciple on 11/11/07


Christ had many enemies. He still does. I don't understand it. The scripture that a certain person is referring to I am sorry sir you are way off base. Spirit and water is referring to the birth. Not the water you get dunked under as a sign of your new faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. The man on the cross went to heaven that very day. Because He was a truely penient. As anyone on their death bed might could be. Although I must warn you it is a rare person who is truly repentant on their death bed.
---catherine on 9/25/07


jesus told nicodemus that unless a man be born again of water and of spirit he can not enter into the kingdom of heaven, but you know in me i believe that it all matters in the heart of the person,and if his call to god late is sincere or not.because a lot of peoples have died not being baptized and not even knowing about it.m..love
---mae_osborn on 9/25/07


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If someone accepts Jesus on their deathbed, who's to say they can't get to heaven? Aren't we being judgemental when we say that? Do we truly know what is in that person's heart? What if he/she is truly repentant? Only God knows the heart.
---Katie on 9/25/07


To the person who wrote this,"* No. Giving a death bed confession will not get you into heaven. That request was granted to the thief alone. Anyone after him has to receive the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.*I would remind you and all of us that the Lord Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever!!
---Mima on 9/25/07


1) The_7th_disciple stated: No. Giving a death bed confession will not get you into heaven. That request was granted to the thief alone. Anyone after him has to receive the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. After the Holy Spirit comes upon you, it has to be followed up with your deeds. God cannot get glory from a person lying on his or her death bed...

First of all...who said it was only for the thief on the cross? Show me a scripture. Second of all...
---Holly4jc on 9/25/07


2) ...I got saved and did not receive the Baptism of the Holy Spirit until 1 1/2 years later...does that mean if I had died before then, I was not really saved? Where does it say THAT in the bible? And thirdly...just accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior and giving your life to the Lord, even if it is on your deathbed, brings God glory...salvation of one lost soul glorifies the Lord...for that person has been snatched out of the hand of the enemy and been given eternal life with the Father.
---Holly4jc on 9/25/07


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3) That truly does glorify the Lord and brings shame to the devil. Even the angels and the heavenlies rejoice over just one sinner who repents:

Luke 15:10
Likewise, I say to you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.

Luke 15:7
I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.

These are the Words of Jesus and they do not lie.
---Holly4jc on 9/25/07


#2 *God cannot get glory from a person lying on his or her death bed, if so, then why do we need to go to church? We all should live a life of wickedness and if given a chance, repent and accept Christ on our death bed.*

In that case, the individual person did not show true repentance and thus is not valid! It like those who say "Let me sin now and ask God for forgiveness later".

* That request was granted to the thief alone.*

Really?
---Ramon on 9/24/07


* No. Giving a death bed confession will not get you into heaven. That request was granted to the thief alone. Anyone after him has to receive the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.*

Where is that in the Bible? True Repentance comes from the heart, and if he or she is truly repented then he or she is saved.

Nothing in Scriptures teaches that the "Baptism of the Holy Spirit" (which may or may not come at conversion) is a requirement for salvation.
---Ramon on 9/24/07


Deathbed salvation is valid. Why not? If the person is able to confess sins and repent. That is all that is needed. According to Romans 10:9, for instance.
I believe this also: If a person is unable to speak and is conscious. Someone can lead them in the Prayer. If they are able to understand you, can repeat the prayer in their head ,what you are saying to them. They will be saved. You may not know until eternity, if the person made it in, but God knows and that's enough.
---Robyn on 9/24/07


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Anyone who thinks that deathbed confessions are not valid should read AND STUDY CAREFULLY Matthew 20:1 - 16. This is saying that no matter how late someone comes to the Lord he will be treated just the same as those who came much earlier - possibly even decades earlier with many years of goods works to their credit.
---RitaH on 9/24/07


No. Giving a death bed confession will not get you into heaven. That request was granted to the thief alone. Anyone after him has to receive the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. After the Holy Spirit comes upon you, it has to be followed up with your deeds. God cannot get glory from a person lying on his or her death bed, if so, then why do we need to go to church? We all should live a life of wickedness and if given a chance, repent and accept Christ on our death bed. Please. Don't let Satan trick you.
---The_7th_disciple on 9/23/07


Living in sin as "holding the truth in unrighteousness" is worse than playing Russian roulette! However, there are situations like the thief on the cross when he believed in the Lord at the last moments of his life, and Jesus Christ answered by saying, "Today shalt thou be with me in paradise!" Thank God for HIS mercy and knowing our hearts and lives!
---Theresa on 8/2/07


But things don't always follow the prescribed order. At the house of Cornelius in Caesarea, the Holy Spirit comes upon Gentiles who believe the words Peter is saying to them. So Peter baptizes them AFTER the Holy Spirit comes upon them.

Christ also told the thief next to him on the cross that he would enter heaven - wouldn't that be a "deathbed" salvation?
---Jason on 7/21/07


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robyn: We accept the bible and Jesus Christ. then live as an example of him every day. Obeying His commandments. For me, I avoid evil and don't do anything that would disgrace me in the eyes of Jesus Christ. Repenting always, so one day I will be found worthy to enter God's kingdom. I agree with you. If it was a verse out of context, then yes, doubt it, but when many say the same thing, you cannot deny it as truth. Truths are taught, but everyone rejects it. That is why we give up trying.
---ashley on 6/21/07


Robyn: Acts 2:38
And Peter said to them, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive thActs 22
16] And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his name.'

---Johannes on 6/20/07


#2 Robyn:Mark 10
[17] And as he was setting out on his journey, a man ran up and knelt before him, and asked him, "Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
[18] And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.
[19] `Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and mother.'"

Why didnt Jesus just say accept me as your personal Lord and Savior as his answer
---Johannes on 6/20/07


Well people believe what you may. I still hold my same position. Salvation is a conscious decision we make to follow Christ. God does not force us to do anything.The choice is strictly up to the individual. Let me say also. Christ does not send anyone to Hell. We make that choice on our own. If we are truly saved we will want to be baptized, in obedience to God. How can baptism save us when we have to receive Jesus(salvation)...first. Does not make sense, at all.
---Robyn on 6/9/07


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Salvation comes first then baptism(in obedience to God, not that it saves anyone) THEN you receive the Holy Ghost. In that order. I have known people who really did not want to be saved...ok. You know what they did? They jumped in the water first to be baptized...! They thought they could escape repentance and admitting they needed Christ.Jesus says if any man try to be saved any other way then through Jesus Christ, he is considered a THIEF! You must come through THE DOOR and that DOOR is JESUS.
---Robyn on 6/9/07


Robyn, If baptism saves no one then there will be no one in heaven prior to the 1600's everyone beleived that your salvation started at baptism.
---Terry on 6/9/07


Robyn, If baptism saves no one then there will be no one in heaven prior to the 1600's everyone beleived that your salvation started at baptism.
---Terry on 6/9/07


Baptism is Commanded by Jesus for salvation, therefore baptism indeed saves and no one gets baptized in vain, including Jesus. Jesus said, "Whom obeys and is baptized will be saved, but whom not obeys will be condemned." Mark 16:16.
---Eloy on 6/9/07


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Jay:Baptism does not save anyone. If that was the case we would not need Christ Jesus, our Lord and Savior. His dying has been in vain. So how in the world can you even make your mouth say such things?You are basically calling God a liar. You are saying Jesus did not die for our sins. You are in gross error. If you were trying to win a soul for Christ(witnessing)telling them these lies, you would be leading someone to Hell. This is a serious offense.
---Robyn on 6/9/07


For those who don't believe that baptism saves us, please consider 1Peter 3:21...
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Instead of hunting-and-pecking scripture to try and find individual things the Bible says are necessary for salvation, it would do us all well to take ALL scripture into consideration for direction in salvation.
---Jay on 6/8/07


Yes, and this is why. Hears a thought. What did Jesus say to one of the theifs on the cross? The theif believed in Jesus and that Jesus was Gods son.That one theif didn't get down from the cross to be baptized did he. Christ said that he would be in heaven with him on that day. Baptism is a sign that the person will try to lead a Godly life and a sign of washing away the old person for the new birth ( salvation). Yes we should be baptized as Christ said but the theif wasn't able to be but, he was saved.
---Deb on 6/7/07


Robyn: are you saying Jesus was wrong. he said you had to be baptized. its an earthly ordinance. you cannot say praise God I am saved on your deathbed or you have just rendered Jesus' sacrifice irrelevent. You have to repent. murderers, people that blaspheme the Holy Ghost, liers, adulterers, etc would all live in God's kingdom. That means even though there is no forgiveness in this world or the next, anyone that blasphemes the Holy Ghost is in God's kingdom and you have just proven that Jesus is a lier.
---ashley on 6/6/07


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Robyn; if God isn't convicting a person even on their death bed, they can call upon God and still die lost. God said in his word no man can come to me, except the Father which has sent me draws him, and he will raise them up in the last day. In other words, no person can get saved unless Christ is dealing with their heart, convicting (convinced), pricked in the heart, the spirit draws them in. God can convict a person on their death bed, but he may not, and that person dies lost.
---Rebecca_D on 6/6/07


Ashley/Catherine: You all are so blind. Deathbed confession is acceptable to Christ, I feel. Water baptism saves no one! Read Romans 10:9 and a few scriptures on down (to verses 13) it says to believe on the Lord Jesus. Also believe that Jesus was raised from the dead and you shall be saved. Believing on(in) Jesus. That is the key. If you have enough strength left in your body on your deathbed, you can still confess Jesus as your Lord and Savior. There is still time..if you are still alive. Ok.
---Robyn on 6/6/07


Catherine/Ashley. I want to always do everything in love, according to God's Word but you two ladies, I assume, need to be taught the Word of God.Its unbelievable what you are saying. I pray that you all are not Sunday School teachers or in any type positions, where you have to teach others the Word. I shudder to think what your beliefs are concerning other bible truths and doctrines. Please pray and study more.
---Robyn on 6/6/07


Probably if a person is really bad all their life always thinking in their head that it's okay because they can always do a 'death bed salvation', they wont be saved. It depends on what is truly in their heart and mind.
---sue on 6/6/07


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I would not want to take that chance. Because if the Holy Ghost isn't dealing (convicting) with someone even on their death bed, they can ask God to help them all they want, and still die lost and on their way to hell. The bible says where the tree shall fall, is where it shall lie. Water baptism saves no one.
---Rebecca_D on 6/5/07


As usual, no one paid any attention to what I had written in truth. They prefer to prod along in life following every wind of doctrine that floats in their direction. Why many choose to ignore the bible is mind boggling, but it is all there if you will take the time to read it. opinions are man made and false 99 percent of the time. As I said, I was not making it up, it is in the bible and I quoted the verses. You do have the freedom to choose. light or darkness, your choice.
---ashley on 6/6/07


I think it is clear that deathbed salvation can get you into heaven, if Jesus can take the thief on the cross with him. Water Baptism doesn't save anyone, at most it is a sign of faith or the proclamation of faith. God looks at the heart, not necessarily our actions, although our actions should reflect our faith in God.
---Jared on 6/5/07


Now you tell me how is a person going to go under water with ONE foot in the grave and the other on his death bed. Death beds, True conversions, you will go to heaven. The trouble is, they are rare. Remember, we are speaking of TRUE CONVERSIONS.
---catherine on 6/4/07


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It never ceases to amaze me how people that profess to know the bible really don't know anything at all. They prod along day after day listening to others saying things, without reading truth themselves. Jesus said: "Except a man be born of the WATER and of the spirit, He CANNOT enter the kingdom of God." That is in the bible, I did not make it up. To deny that means you have not read the scriptures. born of water is baptism for all those who don't know.
---ashley on 6/4/07


concerning death bed confession. There is no such thing. Again Jesus said:"The same spirit that possesses a man in life will also possess him after death." I am not making this stuff up guys. Read your bibles. "Whatever is nurtured in the heart will come forth in words, thoughts and actions." Gee, If all we have to say is I accept Jesus at death, no one is lost and we can break every commandment our whole lives and not pay a price for it. Sounds ridiculous, but many believe that.
---ashley on 6/4/07


Water baptism does not get anybody into Heaven. Only faith in Jesus Christ and His finished work on the Cross for sin gives a person salvation, and it is a free gift. Death bed salvation? Absolutely. God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9). Do not think you will wait till then though because you might just drop dead after your next breath.
---Helen_5378 on 6/4/07


I would say Yes. If a person is able to do that on his deathbed. It is better to take care of this before one gets down on their deathbed. I would not want to wait until that time. The day you hear His voice, harden not your heart. I know of several cases like this. The person was still conscious enough to accept Christ as his Lord and Savior. This does not happen in all cases. Make the decision while you are conscious and able to do so.
---Robyn on 6/4/07


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IF baptism is NECESSARY for salvation, (death bed or otherwise,) then

Ephesians 2:8-9, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

Is a lie.

Also see:

Titus 3:5, "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;"
---Bruce5656 on 6/3/07


I also want to point out the parable Jesus told at the beginning of Matthew 20. In this parable, the vineyard owner (God) payed those that worked all day the same as He did those that joined in the work at the very end saying, "I want to give the man that was hired last the same as I gave you. Don't I have the right to do what I want with my own money?" Matthew 20:14-15.
---Casey on 9/13/06


Regarding the rewards being different for some, I believe that this will have nothing to do with how long we were Christians, it will be to do with what we did with the time we had knowing Christ. Someone could be a very lazy Christian for 40 years and someone else can use the 2 days they had knowing Christ before they die bringing their family to Christ.
---M.P. on 9/13/06


Baptism is a Commandment, not an option. When God commands a sinner to get baptized, but he refuses Christ and his Commands time and again, should God accept him now that he is unprepared to die? There are people who live their whole life in sin and rejection against God and his Commandments, then when they're on their death bed with heart and life so hardened that they don't know how to pray and are unable to bring themself to the place necessary in order to truly receive Jesus Christ as their Savior.
---Eloy on 9/13/06


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2/... I believe that there are most likely a lot more deathbed salvations than we would think. I sure hope so. What about people who died in hospital and there are born-again doctors and/or nurses there who lead the dying people to Christ. A death-bed salvation is the same as any other!
---Helen_5378 on 9/13/06


Shearon - Water baptism has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with a person's salvation. Salvation is totally in Jesus Christ's finished work on the Cross for sin, and a person is saved when they trust Jesus for their salvation. When Jesus cried from the Cross "It is finished" the price for sin had been paid in full, nothing to be added to it. (continued...)
---Helen_5378 on 9/13/06


The blood of Christ cleanses us from our sin. Baptism has no blood and therefore cannot forgive sin. If the sinner has believed and an hour later dies how can that person not go to heaven if their sins are forgiven? Were those who were saved in the Bible not saved first and then baptized? That should answer the question.
---john on 9/13/06


This is a truth that I am trying to seek, however to use the theive on the cross is not a very good example, the Great Commission is where it is first said that they must be baptized in the holy spirit and that is after Jesus had risen. The theif was the last to be saved that way.
---Tristan on 9/12/06


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Sister Barbara, you explained it so well. very good work. I love to see your answers. we all need a little help here and there to see the truth.
---lupe2618 on 7/21/05


I agree with the reminder of the death of Christ and the confesssion of one of the 2 men on either side of Christ.

"Lord, I believe."

God recognized his profession of faith. The new convert, did not have time to list all his life sin's nor did he have time to take theology classes, attend church or even tithe. The thief - just said, "Lord, I believe"

Jesus said, "This day you will be with me..............."
---barbara67 on 5/21/05


Our God is able to save anyone at anytime (imo) to say otherwise would be to place limits on God's own power. Howver a lifetime knowing God and seeking to serve Him has its rewards and those find themselves clothed beter after this life. But I am sure no one would trade there heavenly state no matter how well their clothed for a second of this flesh life again coming to know God as He truly is.
---kirk on 5/19/05


I think the point of this scripture of the theives on the cross is to show that we must accept and admit our sins, and ask the Lord for mercy and forgiveness. The one theif said they had done things that deserve the consequences they received.. but Jesus had done nothing wrong. The theif took responsibility for his actions.
---janet7433 on 5/10/05


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39One of the criminals... hurled insults at him: "Aren't you the Christ? Save yourself and us!" 40But the other criminal rebuked him. "Don't you fear God, since you are under the same sentence? 41We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong." 42Then he said, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom." 43Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise."
---Janet7433 on 5/10/05


My husband accepted the Lord as Saviour on May 14, 1995. Less than two weeks later, he died. He was baptized into the Spirit of God and had an overwhelming peace that he had never known before. I don't know if he was ever baptized with water, but I know for sure that he is in heaven. PTL for His mercy and love!
---CarolT on 5/8/05


Jesus is our substitute as well as our example. His baptism is a substitute for all those (like the thief on the cross) who could not be baptised, as well as an example of baptism by full immersion for the rest of us. He certainly did not NEED to be baptised.
---Jerry on 5/7/05


Ann5758,

John 6:44, "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him..."
Also see Proverbs chapter one for a description of people calling on God for help and deliverance and He will not help them.
Note: Proverbs 1:28, "Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:"

The reason? Proverbs 1:24-25, "Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:"
---Bruce5656 on 5/5/05


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Rebecca,
On the one hand you say that you think that baptism is necessary, on the other hand you say it "signifies...."
These are not the same thing at all. To signifiy is simply to represent, not to make happen.

If baptism makes it happen (and therefore is necessary,) then what are we to make of Titus 3:5, "NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH WE HAVE DONE, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;"
Certainly water baptism qualifies as a "work of righteousness" Matt 3:15
---Bruce5656 on 5/5/05


If a person repents on their deathbed, God has somehow spoken to them, and HAS drawn that spirit to him. Saying it can't happen is limiting the power of the Holy Spirit. Our pastor was visiting a man in hospital, and he and the man's son were begging him to accept Christ in his final minutes. The man sat up in bed, spat out a curse to God, and fell back, dead. If he had said, yes Lord, forgive me, he would be in heaven now. I know you wouldn't leave it to the last minute, Rebecca, but countless do.
---Ann5758 on 5/5/05


We criticise the Roman Church about the way it requires works in addition to faith, and about the power of the priests.

Seems to me, if we say you have to be baptised to be saved, we are saying the same ... the works of baptism is essential, and we accept the power of the person who is administering the baptism
---Alan_of_U.K. on 5/5/05




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