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Ten Commandments Gone Now

Did Jesus not do away with the ten commandments when he established a new commandment of love, making loving our God and our neighbors, all that is required. Also, does Paul teach that Christians saved by faith do not have to keep the law?

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Lee: Dietary Laws are Biblical..u just look around you 2day and see the many types of deseases n illnesses from dairy products not meant 4 human consumption..the cause of much infant health problems..U so scoff about God's teachings on what we should eat..You preach rot on this forum..you obviously is a God hater for u dont even keep His 10 Laws..4those who keep them are the only ones who love God Almighty..
---law on 7/29/07


Gees some of you are now resulting in name calling, even though both sides have presented scripture...name calling is bad
---mark_B. on 5/25/07


jana - *Your ministry on this forum to preach confusion is so evident*

Your confusion is apparently the result of not being able to comprehend what a covenant is.

There is the Old Mosaic covenant with its dietary laws, sacrifical systems, sabbath observance(s), feast, etc. declared obsolete (outdated) after the New Covenant was ushered in at the Cross (Hebr. 8:13).

Much confusion results when one attempts to put new wine into old wineskins.
---lee on 5/24/07


Jana, I would be glad to answer your question but did not understand enough to make out what it is you are saying in order to answer you correctly. By the spacing of letters and numbers I might answer wrong. Can you be more clear? Thank you.
---mark on 5/24/07


TS, I don't expect you to really believe me, or what I say. Why? Because you are what you have been taught and you will stand by it no matter what. It doesn't matter to me where the person is from, either Catholic, J.W., SDA, Baptist, or any other, what matters is the individuals. The person himself that needs to know, no matter where they worship. God is not going to look at your denomination, but in your heart.
---mark on 5/24/07




#2. Pride is the undoing of many here on line and others. Pride in knowing they could be wrong, pride in their denomination, pride against the spouse, pride for their work. Yet all that speak about obedience are in disobedience since they refuse to learn the truth because of pride. They cannot except the fact that they could be completely wrong. And when you are before God you will be told, "I spoke to you through My word" "I spoke to you through My teachings and your pride stopped you.
---mark on 5/24/07


#3. Humbleness is hard to do. It is hard to say, maybe they are right" and maybe I am wrong, let me check for myself. And when you do humble and open your heart, you realize you are wrong, you know what you have to do, you have to take action in what you are teaching and worshipping. If it does not teach truth, then you look for a place to worship that can teach you more about God. You will do what you must do to be right in the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
---mark on 5/24/07


Lee: Your ministry on this forum to preach confusion is so evident. God gave us the Bible and it was Him that gave us these dietary laws not the SDAs. U continue to quote the obselete cer/laws and accuse us for obeyingit when we obey the 10Cs of God..Preach truth Lee..your unbiblical statements are getting flat and taste foul
---jana on 5/24/07


TS-*The WHOLE of SCRIPTURE is Clear.*So stop ignoring it!

To obey by itself ISN'T love.Even if we obey highest call of love by:*If I give away all I have,&if I deliver up my body to be burned,but have not love,I gain nothing.*1Co.13:3 Obeying w/o love,gains NOTHING!
Law WON'T cover a multitude of sins,but Love WILL,1Pe 4:8.They're DIFFERENT!
*Let all that you do be done in love*1Co.16:14
God is NOT law.God IS Love! 1Jn4:8
It's faith which worketh thru love vs. unbelief
---Sheila on 5/24/07


1 Tim. 4:1-5 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, & doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, & commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
---lee on 5/23/07




TS - *Such is a doctrine of Devils.*

You should be aware that Adventists do withhold some doctrines of devils for they command others "to abstain from meats,(pork, oysters, rabbit, etc.) which God has created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe & know the truth." 1 Tim. 4:1-6

Such is the dietary laws held by Adventists = doctrine of devils!

"For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:"
---lee on 5/23/07


Mark: YOU dont read Gods Word as a whole. You glomb to few Scriptures keeping OSAS & Commandments Gone. Such is a doctrine of Devils. Jer31:31-33, Heb8:8-10 Delcare New Covenant
You Ignore Jesus says if you LOVE ME Keep My Commandments. You Ignore HE Created ALL things and deny Him authoring the 10Commandments at Sinai

It comes down to Obedience vice Lawlessness. Either Gods Commandments in your heart and you keep them or you practice lawlessness as a castaway. The WHOLE of SCRIPTURE is Clear.
---TS on 5/23/07


Mark: You are very short on scripture and long on your own words.
---TS on 5/23/07


Romans 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
---exzucuh on 5/23/07


#3. How do we know its true? Because God tells us in His Word. He has tolded us what will happen later on in time. Will it happen? Of course, because we believe God's word by faith. Do we like all the doings of God? Not many times, but is He right? He is holy and right always. We are given an continuing picture when we began from the start of Scripture. Everything with a purpose and all controlled and governed by God. Which is the reason I tell Matthew to learn about God first.
---mark on 5/23/07


#4. I will not comment on Eleen White, but will answer you TS on the law, grace, and other matters of doctrine. Most people have an opinion, but all we have to do is to put it down and see how it stands against God's word. Nothing can be more clear, if we take the time to study, for the right reasons. And God will reveal to us His word, for the right reasons. The law is very important even now, but we are not under its dominion. We are under Christ if we are truely saved.
---mark on 5/23/07


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Mark: thank u 4that lovely post but go back to your 3rd post. Gal 3:19where4 then serveth the law?(this is the cer/laws temporary laws) Twas Added bcos of sin TILL THE SEED(Jesus) SHOULD COME(why did He come?was animal sacrifices not adequate?)It could not save us from spiritual sin but the coming Seed could) TO WHOM THE PROMISE WAS MADE,and twas ordained by angels in hand of MEDIATOR(God)
---jana on 5/23/07


b) Is the Law then against the Promises of God? God 4bid for if there had been a law given which sHould have given life, verily righteousnes should have been BY THE LAW.V23But b4 faith came, we were kep under the law(cer/laws) V24 Law our School master 2BRING US UNTO CHRIST that we might b justified by faith...Remember,God gave Israel Cer/Laws 2prepare them 4 the coming Christ.Heb8:10,God has put His 10laws in our hearts. He didnt do it away as He did Cer/Laws.Read Heb9:15-28
---jana on 5/23/07


TS, there is much to be said about the law, grace, the Old Testament believers, the New church believers that cannot be all said. I know by listening to you and so many others, that one passage seems to indicate one thing sometimes, but God's word has to be read as a whole. It is all a big picture that God displays to us. Just look at the one's in the desert, God said obey, or else, and what happened to them? thousands died at a time.
---mark on 5/23/07


#2. Did God know they would disobey? Of course. He knew their fallen nature. He didn't make them disobey, He knew they would. God designed a plan from the beginning and it started with Adam and Eve and continued mainly through Israel, the other nations were not even given the gospel of Christ. They too had a purpose though and as God continues to speak to us through Scripture, He tells us about the Gentiles, everything with a reason and plan. What He told us would happen, happened,
---mark on 5/23/07


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Mark-Thank you for your words. I agree with your intepretation of Scripture. Thank you for your use of Scripture!
---Sheila on 5/22/07


Mark - Your position is almost identical to that of my own.

My replies to our SDA friends have not been as extensive but simply pertinent quotes from Scripture that disagrees with their faith + works soteriology.

I would invite our SDA friends to comment on what you have just posted. I bet they have problems & will accuse you of preaching lawlessness, etc.; requiring obedience to cherry picked OT laws as Sabbath keeping & dietary laws.
---lee on 5/22/07


Mark#2: You said they all died lost that were under OT Law. That is wrong. ALL SINNED under the OT and the NT

Only those both OT and NT are saved by Grace through repentance, acknowledging Commandments righteous and we deserve penalty placed upon the lamb. OT was by faith in lambs atoning blood and NT is by faith in lambs atoning blood

1Jn2:4 He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His Commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

The Son was at Sinai writing them mark.
---TS on 5/22/07


#2. that no one can earn righteous standing before God by works of the law in (Gal. 11:21,22). Romans 4:3 teaches that Abraham was saved on the basis of faith, not his works. In order to know Paul teachings that we are no longer under the dominion of the law in 6:14; 7:4 but have been delivered from it in Romans 7:6 because Christ has fulfilled the righteousness of the law in us, we need to know the aspects of the law. ceremonial, judicial, civil, and moral. Yet the law has purposes.
---mark on 5/22/07


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#3. One purpose is found in Galatians 3:19 that teaches that it was given "because of transgressions" or "to make wrongdoing a legal offense." To make humans consciously aware of the distinction between good and evil, between right and wrong. It serves in making humans aware that some actions are morally wrong, in this it serves at least to some degree as an inhibitor of evildoings. The law serves also as a custodian to bring individuals to Christ found in Gal. 3:22-24.
---mark on 5/22/07


#4. Now how is this connect to love? Well, God knew that the law could not save since we all have the flesh, and that no one could possibly keep them all, at least not all the laws and commandments. Once we recognize our sinful depravity by the law, and came to Christ, God showed His love for us that He gave us Christ, who is Love Himself. Through the workings of Christ in our lives we are able to do display that love to others and He understood we would fail many times, but God forgives His children.
---mark on 5/22/07


#5. I don't know if I have answered your question or not, or whether my answer is not good enough. Can you refresh me on what it is you are saying what seems to be wrong in my comments? I would love to hear and learn. I will respond to your answer, and thank you again for all the hard work you and others are doing.
---mark on 5/22/07


Hello brother Lee, I don't understand what it is you are saying. Whether we don't have to depend on the law, or whether we do. I enjoy reading what you and Sheila have put down. As for depending on the law, the law was given as a guideline for living after Irael's commitment to serve the Lord. Was the law given even hypothetically as a means of justification, (salvation)? No. The New Testament informs us that the law could never serve as a means of salvation. Paul does teach that
---mark on 5/22/07


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mark: "Christians still maintain, ..., their love is what Scripture is talking about."

Love today is an endangered concept. Everyday that passes, people's hearts become more hardened - even Christians. We're at the dawn of the great falling away of the faith because love is slowly, no! quickly fading from the world. Take a good look around you, Mark, with all the problems in the world, can love can grow in such an environment. Commit the Bible to your heart to stay strong in love.
---Steveng on 5/21/07


Mark - *The reason there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ is because God knew through the law no one could be saved*

That is basically Romans 8:1 "There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus." without the long ending found in the KJV.

But that would imply that those in Christ need not depend upon their works or obedience to laws, thro they should reflect the love towards others that Christ had.
---lee on 5/21/07


Steveng, it is true that many Christians don't really know what true Love is, even if they have that true Love in their hearts. The definition of Love from 1 Corinthians 13, is explained very well. But so is all of Scripture. Does everyone understand it all? No. Some put more study in one part of Scripture and neglect the other parts. Some study redemption but never learn much about God. Christians still maintain, when they talk, their love is what Scripture is talking about.
---mark on 5/21/07


#2. I hope you don't mind me answering about this question of Love. I believe that Lee is in the same mind with what I am going to say concerning this subject. If you go to 1 John 4:15, "Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, (believers) God abides in him, and he in God. And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him."
---mark on 5/21/07


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#3. Here is a few passages that may bring light to this Love. This Love is believed by us believers in the heart. We have it and it has been made perfect in us. Because He is perfect. Even though believers have "Him" Christ, they continue to believe it is coming from them and not from Christ. What love we display is really Christ that we show to others. And because He abides in us, all our works are because of that Love. Anything we say that is holy, and good is really attributed to Christ.
---mark on 5/21/07


#4. Christ told us to love our neighbors, and we because of our sinful nature, sometimes fail to display that Love to everyone. We do to some but don't to others. When we witness to others sometimes we take the easy one's that we can speak to and avoid the others we think will not listen. We pick who we want to love, and who we don't. Christ gives us intructions to follow and we do follow many, but no one follows them all.
---mark on 5/21/07


#5. God knows how we will react and what we will do. He knows we are not perfected yet, that is why so many instructions are given to all of us. There is just too much to clean in our lives and to be revealed to us by God. We are in a learning process and many are closer then others. I hope that I show my Love to everyone, but sometimes my pride stops me from been the person God wants me to be, but it is not a disappointment to God, for God knows what I need and what He will do for me.
---mark on 5/21/07


#6. The reason there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ is because God knew through the law no one could be saved. No one could possibly keep all of the laws and commandments. So He comes into our hearts, Christ, who will help us, guides us, teach us, correct us, influence us, and most of all love us when no one is there to love us. I hope that I have answered your question. Sorry for such a long response, but it was needed.
---mark on 5/21/07


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steveng - *Sure, it's easy to tell someone to love your neighbor, but people don't know how.*

I believe it is impossible for the Christian to experience the love of Christ in ones life and not know who to love your neighbor.

It is the function of the Spirit of Christ, to enable us to love one another.

1 Thessalonians 4:9 Now concerning brotherly love you have no need for anyone to write to you, for you yourselves have been taught by God to love one another,
---lee on 5/20/07


Steveng - Sorry my defensiveness bothers you. I'll probably continue to lean toward being defensive because I've been accused many times on this forum of things I never said, and people have presumed I believe things I don't believe. It's frustrating to say the least,&disheartening to hear it from fellow christians.

Do you understand my point that keeping Sabbath daily doesn't mean quit your job?
---Sheila on 5/20/07


Sheila: Gosh, Sheila, don't be so defensive.
---Steveng on 5/20/07


lee: Sure, it's easy to tell someone to ove your neighbor, but people don't know how. Unfortunately, most people, including most Christians, don't know what real love is. Ask ten different people and you'll get ten different answers.

Even though Jesus boiled down the ten commandments to only two, He also made it more difficult by saying even if you THINK about the sin, it's a sin. And in todays world, that's very difficult not to do.
---Steveng on 5/20/07


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Lee, you gave a great example. Without talking about the denomination, the subject of the law is found in love for Christ. Why the Saturday is such a big deal in worship when we should worship everyday only proves one side is determined to hold on to one law which is the difference in this whole debate. Just by annoucing one exact day, divides them from the rest. Even when they compromise that we are not followers of the law, but of Christ. Old testament believers salvation was of obedience to the law
---mark on 5/20/07


#2. As New believers in the new church, we don't have to pick and choose. We have Christ who fulfills that law in us through our love for Him. He lives in us and since we live for Him, we don't need one law to save us. For the law never saved anyone. Jesus Christ is the Savior and our Lord. No law will has or ever will save anyone. The grace of God through faith does.
---mark on 5/20/07


Adventists do not like educated people...well, the problem with some educated people on this forum is they uplift themselves so much that they forget what theyre talking about tch tch tch... and not keep to the true word of God..they choose n pic what they want just as the Judaizers of old...
---jana on 5/20/07


Linda: What does dead to the law means? Which law is this the bible is talking about and why is it given to the Israelites at the time? not forgeting there are 3types of law here..can u identify (with texts) 2 prove what these laws are and for what purpose they are for please?
---jana on 5/20/07


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Stevenq-Don't know what def.of work you read,but it WASN'T mine!
Biblical def. of work by Jesus'yoke:
Eden work was rest.NO toil!
Work&rest is SAME Mt11:28-30
DON'T FORGET:
We're to LABOR to enter God's rest(Hb.4:11);yet CEASE from our works as God did from His(Hb.4:10).How did God cease from His works? Answer:Jn5:17*But Jesus answered them,My Father worketh hitherto,&I work.*God works when He's at rest,as we ought to do! Understand the BIBLE'S definition of work Stevenq!
---Sheila on 5/19/07


Stevenq-We AGREE! Of course keep God's commandments! Of course be OBEDIENT to God!

Where have I EVER suggested otherwise!

If only I had paid attention to God's commands?

What suggests I don't pay attention to them?
---Sheila on 5/19/07


Steveng - *If we are to be obedient to God, what are we to be obedient by? If there are no 10 commandments, then we don't need to be obedient to them?*

Would not it be much simpler to accept the fact that love of ones neighbor is the fulfillment of the law? (Romans 13:9)

If you truly love others, you will honor parents, respect authority, not steal, not murder, not commit adultery, etc..

If love for others is your guide, then do you really need rules, laws, & religious paraphernalia?
---lee on 5/19/07


TS-Vain deceit?God's Word is Truth!Jn17:17
You ignore4thC to David in Ps.95:7&Hb.4:7,defined in Hb3:13.Work/rest defined in Mt.11:28-30(no toil as in Eden!)ALL harmonizes Ex20&Dt5&how Abraham's faith was righteousness,Gal.3:6,Rm4:9,13.Not just numbers thrown up on screen,TS!Show me even one of the scriptures I use that doesn't support what I say!
Yes,keep C's of God.Follow His Spirit & you don't need the C's as a schoolmaster,you'll keep them! Yes,God's Word is Truth,NOT philosophies of men.
---Sheila on 5/19/07


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Sheila: In light of the reason God ressted on the seventh day from His labor, that means, in your definition, I don't need to go to work. I could just sit hame and relax, eh?
---Steveng on 5/19/07


If we are to be obedient to God, what are we to be obedient by? If there are no ten commandments, then we don't need to be obedient to them? If you love Jesus, you will obey what He commands. What if there are no commandments? To obey is better than sacrifice. Obey what? Luke11:28, 1John5:2-4, 1John2:3-6, 2John6.

If only you had paid attention to God's commands, your peace would have been like a river, your righteousness like the waves of the sea.
---Steveng on 5/19/07


shiela: Those texts do not say Sabbath is everyday

Mark7:9 And he said unto them Full well ye reject the COMMANDMENT of GOD that ye may keep YOUR OWN TRADITION"
Paul warned:Col2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through PHILOSOPHY and VAIN DECEIT, after the TRADITION of men"
Rev14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that KEEP the COMMANDMENTS of God and the faith of Jesus.

The Memorial to Creation is the 7th Day not Eveyday as your desire for traditions infers
---TS on 5/19/07


Ah ha!More CLEAR proof ToDay is EVERYDAY& NOT just weekly7thDay!

Hb3:13*But exhort one another DAILY,while it's called ToDay;lest any of you be hardened thru the deceitfulness of sin.*

Please everyone see within context of Scripture of 4thC in Ex20,Dt5,Ps95,Mt11:28-30,Hb3&4. Hb3:13 inarguably says Sabbath is DAILY!

Rest&work are SAME under Jesus'yoke!(Like Eden).4thC is obedience.If God say DONT gather manna,DONT do it!If He says break off grain heads,DO it-regardless of day!
---Sheila on 5/19/07


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"By Faith Abraham,when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed.." Heb11:8 Abraham was obedient,he OBEYED God,&that was due to his Faith. Faith is acted upon,&those who are obedient in keeping the Sabbath, will be saved by faith as they OBEYED God. The children of Isaac are those who obey God; the children of Hagar are those who give God another day and say here, we will not obey.
---Gina7 on 5/19/07


"By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain.." Heb 11:4 Abel OBEYED God in offering the animal sacrifice God asked for: Cain DISOBEYED God by offering something else. Abel was faithful because he followed God's command. Do SDA's, or Mainstream Churches, follow God's command to keep holy the 7th day Sabbath? Which follows God, and which offers up a different day?
---Gina7 on 5/19/07


"Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground..Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord: and Abel,he also brought of the firstlings of his flock. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering. But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was wroth, and his countenance fell. And the Lord said unto Cain, why art thou wroth...if thou does well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, SIN lieth at the door" Gen. 4
---Gina7 on 5/19/07


"By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house by which he condemned the world, and became an heir of the righteousness which is by faith" Hebrews 11:7 When God said build an ark, did Noah just sit there and say, No, I am not going to obey? Noah instead OBEYED God, and became an heir of righteousness which is by faith. "I will show thee my faith by my works" James 2:18
---Gina7 on 5/19/07


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The examples of faith in Hebrews 11 all show people whose faith in God was so strong that they OBEYED Him, even when it meant Abraham giving up his son Isaac in a sacrifice, after God said his seed would be through Isaac! Abraham's faith was so strong, he would obey and kill his own son, because he knew God could resurrect Isaac. Is our faith so strong we will OBEY God today? Will we obey God and keep all 10 Commandments, including the Sabbath?
---Gina7 on 5/19/07


Abram & Sarai did not at 1st believe God's words, that they would have a son, because Sarai was past child bearing years, so Sarai gave Abram her handmaiden, Hagar, and said, have a child thru her. They thought they had to DO IT THEIR OWN WAY, and help God out. This is the same as Cain offering his fruit sacrifice, when God asked for an animal. We do not want to be found doing it our own way: believe God when he says "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy"
---Gina7 on 5/19/07


"For this is the message that ye have heard from the beginning,that we would love one another. Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? because his own works were evil, and his brothers' righteous. Marvel not, my brethren,if the world hate you" 1John 3:11-13. So Cain slew Abel because Abel's obedience to God was a slap in face to Cain who was doing it his own way. Hmmm...seems to explain why Sunday keepers hate Sabbath keepers so much
---Gina7 on 5/19/07


Sorry to disappoint you, TS, but the closest thing to Lee I can claim besides the blood of Jesus is that I have a sister whose middle name is Lee. Dead to the law means exactly that and Jesus' shed blood delivered us both from keeping and breaking the law. My sabbath rest is Christ resting in me and me entering into that rest by believing, which is far better than a physical rest any day. That's all I'm going to say about that. If you didn't receive what I said, then it wasn't for you anyway.
---Linda on 5/18/07


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Let not say verses that are straight away as "If you love me, keep my commandments." But let's read verses that are below the common sense verses - read Mark 7:1-23.

The new testament has the ten commandments sprinkled throughout as in Mark 7 concerning obeying the mother and father.
---Steveng on 5/18/07


Linda: Its Dead to Sin which means Keeping not breaking the Law. Is this Lee?
---TS on 5/18/07


Geoff-To exceed righteousness of scribes&Pharisees keeping 7thDay,keep it always(rest&work are same in Jesus'yoke as in Eden).But I'm confident,by your kind words,you do that(listen&labor for God,obeying Him ALL days)&keep7thDay special.
Cuz you think Rm14:5-6DOESN'T refer to7thDay&somehow*AnotherDay*&*ToDay*are weekly7thDay,Ps.95&Hb.3&4,it's right to tell me you think I'm doing wrong.But,I've no reason to judge you for keeping 7th special out of love.Thank you for doing what you believe to be right!
---Sheila on 5/18/07


I just choose to shout with the voice of triumph, the voice of the blood that speaks better things than that of Abel's blood. Jesus, through circumcision on the eighth day, shed His blood to redeem us from keeping and from breaking the law. That circumcision dealt with flesh covering the reproductive parts by taking it out of the way. Believing and applying that blood to your doorposts will cause you to experience a great deliverance called "dead to the law by the body of Christ".
---Linda on 5/18/07


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Sheila, teacher, huh? No wonder your thought and expression are so organized... It's a calling.

1st of all, the 4th Commandment is applicable 7 days a week because it requires 6 days of labor & not just any, but specifically, the 7th day for rest-Ex 20:9-10. So "To day if ye will hear His voice, harden not your hearts"-Heb 4:7.

The Sabbath rest remains (even to day) to the people of God-v9-11. Hope you're "people" too.
---Geoff on 5/18/07


#3. He knew that the Christians would not be able to fulfill all the commands and laws, so He enable us through the Holy Spirit in our hearts to see and feel our sin, and not be condemned because we failed as the Old Testament people did. We are not perfect but not condemned. Our failure is the old nature still in us which God knew we still had. Until God puts a stop to sin, we will still struggle with sin, but in no way does it give us a reason for sinning.
---mark on 5/18/07


#4. The difference in this debate is that one side says, you have to follow the law for salvation, while the other side says, we are saved by faith in Jesus Christ who has changed our hearts and sustains us with all spiritual blessings to get us through this life even when we fail the law. The difference is the change of the heart by God through the Holy Spirit, and believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
---mark on 5/18/07


Jesus did not come to improve or annual the Old Testament but to confirm it. He established in its deepest sense everything written in holy Scripture. He was Himself the fufillment and substance of the types, commands, and prophecies of the Law and the Prophets. Jesus did not set up a milder law, nor will he allow any of his servants to presume to do so. Our King fulfills the ancient law, and His Spirit creates in our hearts a desire to obey the unchangeable statues of righteousness.
---mark on 5/18/07


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#2. The Pharisees and the teachers of the law were supposed to be righteous beyond everyone else. But Christ said we must surpass them. Their righteousness was all an outward show. At the heart of the problem was the heart, their hearts were not changed, so were corrupt. Beleivers are not to be worse in conduct but far better than the most precise legalist. God knew that Christians could not follow all the laws and commandments, but with a new heart and the endwelling of the Holy Spirit,
---mark on 5/18/07


jerry - *Public school teacher, eh. That explains a lot.*

Adventists simply do not like educated people or people that ask questions. Like most cults they want you to check you brains at the door.
---lee on 5/18/07


Sheila: Public school teacher, eh. That explains a lot.
---jerry6593 on 5/18/07


Jerry-My out-of-the-home job,is done unto the Lord.I'm a public school teacher.EVERYTHING about it is for God,as EVERYTHING about my life should be!
This stuff is from the Bible:
Do ALL things for the glory of God(1Co.10:31)
1Th5:17 *Pray without ceasing.*
Col.3:23 *&whatsoever ye do,do it heartily,as to the Lord& not unto men;*
Do EVERYTHING in Jesus'name(Col.3:17)
Php4:4* Rejoice in the Lord alway:&again I say,Rejoice.*
Jerry,If you CAN'T do your job for God,get a different job!
---Sheila on 5/17/07


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Sheila: Your reasoning is flawed. I don't know about your job, but my six-day work week is anything but a religious ceremony. Where do you get this stuff? I perceive that you are grasping at straws in order to justify a disobedient lifestyle. You have the right to do whatever you please, but don't expect God to go along with it.
---jerry6593 on 5/17/07


I'll try to leave this blog for other efforts.Not that it's been in vain.I've learned:
*A blessing isn't a promise
*Likely there's NO change to 10C inNT,but are further explained
*To day isn't a new time for Sabbath,it always been that way
*work&rest under Jesus yoke are the same,as it was in Garden of Eden
*4thC is about obedience.Esp clear how it's restated to David:
*To day if ye will hear His voice,Harden not your heart..*
&MUCH more like from Billy&others.Thank you all!
---Sheila on 5/17/07


Lee's like a 7year old: Gal 3:21does this mean that the Law is against God's promises?No not at all,4if mankind had received a law that could bring life, then everyone could be put right with God by obeying it. But the script says the whole world is under the power of sin; n so the gift which is promised on the basis of faith in J.C is given 2 those who believe. But b4 the time 4faith/Christ came, the Law/cer/ordinances kept us all locked up as prisoners until this coming faith/Christ should be revealed.
---jana on 5/17/07


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