Elaine and JackB,
What you've asserted is clear regarding Angels being referred to as sons of God... isn't clear at all. The word "angel" appears nowhere in the contexts of the 2 chapters in Job. It's assumption and bad doctrine to call angels, sons of God. In fact, you speak contrary to the apostle(or author) who wrote Hebrews chapter1. Where at ANY TIME has God ever said to an angel, "this is my son" or "I will be to him(any angel) a Father and he(an angel) will be my son?
---Legends on 1/25/11|
yashua says in luke chptr 20 that angels dont marry not that they cant they sinned by doing this.also the fall of satan is in the future not in the past revelation 12.that he loses his place in heaven and cant return.so how could he present himself to yahweh in job if he was castout in the past.the bible never calls him a true angel.the rebellion of satan is a myth.revelation never says he rebells but michael starts the fight no mention of pride,boasting,trying to conquer heaven ect.he also accuses the saints day and nights,if thats in the past before the physical creation there were no saints back then.the wrong interpret of isaiah 14 king of babylon ezekial 28 king of tyre when compared all the passages talk about 3 different individual
---jermaine on 12/10/10|
Bob, I havent read anywhere in the Bible where it says angels cant procreate. It says they dont marry **in Heaven**, that is all. Men wont marry in Heaven either, but we can certainly bear offspring down here.
Gen 6 , however, shows that they have the ability to do so
---JackB on 11/11/09|
No, holdfast to the words in Holy Scriptures and not much to words outside of the Holy Scriptures.
---Eloy on 11/11/09|
Ok the events of Genesis 6 take place just before the time of NOah NOT before Adam and Eve. Idk what Bible some people are reading on here.
And yes the 'sons of God' are angels. Cross reference it. YOull see that in the book of Job when they come to present themselves before God and Satan comes with them (the fallen angel).
The Book of Jude also makes mention of how the angels that 'left their first habitation' and Sodom and Gomorrah "in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. "
---JackB on 11/10/09|
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof,
When the morning stars sang together, and all the SONS OF GOD shouted for joy?
---JackB on 11/10/09|
Let me begin by stating that I believe we should allow God's Word to be the final authority. The scripture is clear that Cain was fathered by Adam. The scripture is clear that angels fell with satan. The scripture is clear that the terminology "sons of God" is not only used of people, but also of angels (c.f. the book of Job). The scripture is clear that the "sons of God" who mated with human women were beings whose nature were something extraordinary to that of mere human men. I personally believe - as a student of the Word that these were the angels referred to in Jude 1:6 as having left their first habitation and who are now reserved under chains of darkness.
---Elaine on 11/10/09|
Angels cannot reproduce.
Satan cannot create, and he cannot reproduce his own kind. He is not God. He is a fallen spirit being.
He can counterfeit but even that is temporary.
---Bob on 10/19/07|
Well, in my Bible, Gen.4:1, it clearly states that Adam was the father of Cain, so I believe that. I also do not believe that the "sons of God" referred to in Gen.6:2 were angels- I believe that refers to those who followed God marrying those women who didn't. But I do believe angels fell with Satan- 1/3 of them did, and are now his demons doing his bidding.
---Ann5758 on 10/19/07|
angels are neither male nor female so therefore, it is impossible that Cain was fathered by one. there us a doctrine that th sons's of God and the daughters of men came together in marriage and made the giants that roamed the earth. But the son's of God are the saved and the daughters of men are the lost and when they married, it was disasterous, just like today.
---shira_5965 on 4/22/07|
Elder, I resemble that comment. Hopefully, enough questions are asked to clear up any confusion or befuddlement that are caused by any of my questions. I will not try to step on God's toes, but it is God who confounds the wisdom of this world.
---gregg on 5/23/05|
Hello, friend.('_') The sons of God are angels. Angels are extremely tall beings. They walked amid the people of the Earth and they seen the ladies were very pretty and they took them. Therefore they are male, hence; " sons of God". They made children, who became " giants " in the land and men of renown.- Gen. 6:4. Nephalims were there, friend. They were a sect of the fallen angels. ('_')God bless. @}>--
---Roger on 5/22/05|
There are a tremendous amount of confused people that slip in to this site that also try to confuse the young Christian and confound the more mature ones.
It has been my experience in the YEARS that I have been here that the Webmaster and Staff of ChristiaNet are very forgiving.
If you have been removed from here it is not because you stepped in a "Mud Hole" but, because of your nature, you enjoy "Wallering" in the mud like a pig and try to drag others in with you.
---Elder on 5/21/05|
Bonnie, thanks for your question. It looks like a number have heard this. The important thing for each of us to remember is, What does God say? When questions are raised, it is our privilege to take a concordance or study aid and search the word with prayer, asking Him to guide us that we may know the truth. Your questions: #1. Have heard and bible reveals angels that sinned and thus are fallen, 2 Peter 2:4. #2. Have heard, but find no evidence of this. Genesis 4:1 is plain on who his parents were.
---Wayne on 5/21/05|
Maybe because of willa 6349's comments I have been kicked off the blog thing here. I think yall need to reconsider something because I do not agree with anything that the one labeled greg says.
---gregg on 5/20/05|
Genesis 4:1& 2a - Cain and Able biologically came from Adam and Eve.
Cain brought some of the fruits,.........But Abel brought fat portions from some of the first born of his flock.
God favours Abel's faith, attitude and motivation (Hebrews 11:40)
Cain's faith/attitude/motivation displease God.
God says to Cain,
"Sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must master it." ---- Cain is beginning to plot to murder his brother.
---Barbara67 on 5/20/05|
See Hebrews chapters 1& 2
Angel means messenger wheither set by God, by man or by Satan.
Angels have no need of salvation but man does. Therefore fallen angels cannot be redeemed in the way that man can.
Christ assumed a human nature not angelic.
Angels are spirits and have not material bodies in the way that man does. But angels can assume human for when necessary.
Luke 10:18 He(Jesus) replied, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.
---Barbara67 on 5/20/05|
F.F. I had an encounter with a Moonie some years ago. I was told the devil didn't deceive Eve with an apple. I agreed because the bible doesn't say apple it says forbidden fruit. She went on to tell me that the sin was that Eve had sex with the devil. Sounds as if this is what you've heard also. Where do people get this from, even people who say they read and believe the bible? Those of you coming to CN who have doubts, read the bible for yourself and SEE what it says, don't listen to what the cults say.
---Paul_James on 5/20/05|
Wendell and Greg you are not getting your information from the Bible so you must be reading "Fables of Loco Louie" Waco 1:1-2.
---Elder on 5/20/05|
Wendell are you saved? Romans5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered ino the world, and death by sin: and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death: but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Acts 16:30-31 John 3:16,36, 6:47 1John 5:10
---Ulrika on 5/19/05|
Wendell, where did you get that idea that there were people on earth BEFORE Adm & Eve? That is NOT Biblical- neither is angels mating with humans. That is impossible as angels are sexless. As for you, Gregg, fathered by Satan in the garden? No way. Adam & Eve had relations after they left Eden, and Cain was conceived.
---Ann5758 on 5/19/05|
I know that the devil caused 1/3 of the angels to rebel with him and they were cast down to the earth with him.
The second part of the question is more suited for one of the tabloids not for here!
---Pierr7958 on 5/19/05|
Greg where did you get that rubbish from? It certainly is not in the bible. Moonies teach something similar to that. Remember the warning about not adding or taking away from scripture. Scripture says that Adam was the father of Cain - Gen. 4:1. I have more respect for someone who does not believe the bible at all than for someone who reads what they want and adds what they want to make it fit what they WANT to believe. Be very careful, you will answerable for saying such things.
---F.F. on 5/19/05|
Fallen angels did father children. However, they were giants and others that existed before Adam and Eve. Cain did, indeed breed with them, as they were the one's living in the area known as Nod. God had to disguise Cain when he was sent here, so he would look more like the inhabitants, or they would have killed him!
---Wendell on 5/19/05|
i have heard of this, but it is not true. The sons of God are just that, sons, not angels. Angels and demons do not procreate, but the devil, also referred to as a fallen angel, can possess an unsaved person. People either follow God or follow Satan.
---Eloy on 5/19/05|
I have had people try to tell me that Cain was fathered by the serpent! Imagine, what does one do with the scripture text where Eve plainly states that she had been given a man-child from the Lord????? It is simple. I passed off this cultish propaganda as nothing more than a Branhamite teaching and chose to follow the Word of God.
---Angela on 5/19/05|
Hi, I would have to say to the question implied as of a fallen angel being toward Cain as a father, no. The Word cleary implies that Adam was the Father of Cain i.e. Gen. 4:1. However, on the contrary as to how some may think:Yes I have heard about fallen angels; yes they do exist; yes the bible does speak and teach about them; yes the sons of God are amid the realm of angelic beings - Job ch.1:6 also Angels are male;hence their names : Michael, Gabriel, ect. God bless. @}>---
---Roger on 5/19/05|
I never heard of it and if I did I paid no attention to it. This is false, a lie, and promoted by the devils Public Relations Department. Instead of concerning yourself with angels sex habits, you should be checking out what Jesus did for you and how He died for your sins.
---chuck on 5/19/05|
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I agree with ann5758. As a Christian you must go by what the Bible says.
---sam8358 on 5/19/05|
He was fathered by Satan in the garden- 1 John 3-12 Satan was an angel
---greg on 5/19/05|
Yes I've heard of that but don't believe it because the bible tells us that Adam was the father of Cain. Why worry about 'possibilities' when the Word of God gives us facts. Angels don't father children - the bible tells us that also
---Xanthi on 5/19/05|