Well John, yes, in the OT, yet that was a type..now Christ Himself is that GLORY.
1st Peter, and when you suffer for Christ, His Glory rests upon you...and believe me ..it ain't a cloud! It's the presence of Christ...
---kathr4453 on 2/25/11|
WOW! I don't know how many times I've stated this (100,200X)
"CHRISTAIN ARE THE MOST IGNORANT OF ALL FAITHS!!!"
And in this case
IGNORANCE IS NOT BLISS!!
The Cloud in which The Christ will appear is called the Shekhinah Cloud (The Glory of the Lord). It has appeared several times in Scripture and will again appear in the second coming.
Because it is the vehicle used by G-d when he decends from Heaven to Earth.
(i.e Settling of Devine Presence)
Ex 14:20,13.21, 24:16
MANY MORE ...
---John on 2/23/11|
anne 5758, I personally think your statement on this is spot on!!! as there is already a great cloud of witnesses as it says in Hebrews,perhaps we join with them to later become part of the army that follows Jesus on the white horse...first the rapture/marriage supper/Bema...then Christs physical return to finish Armegeddon and start the millenium....
---richard on 2/23/11|
The Bible says We( The Church) will meet Him IN THE CLOUDS...nothing about standing ON a cloud.
However at the Second coming of Christ, EVERY EYE WILL SEE the Glorified Christ..
---kathr4453 on 2/23/11|
That assuming He still gonna be a 6 foot Jew.
It seems the writers of the epistles werent really sure what He would look like when we finally see him.
---CraigA on 2/23/11|
Well surely it can only be a Cloud as we know it. A cloud made by God almighty!! Is there such a thing as a Natural Cloud? Remember that Jesus will come back with Power and Great Glory. Remember what Jesus says in Matt 24:30. I do not think we can ever comprehend the Power of God in our simple mindedness. The day Jesus comes Will be clear for all the world to see and we will never be able to comprehend the actual Splendid Power and Glory in our little minds. It is obviously said in the Bible that Jesus will return and that will happen for sure. Why do you think we have to look for a 6 foot Jew? Do you only see Jesus as a Jew? I think you under estimate the Power and Glory of Jesus Christ.
---Elmarie on 2/23/11|
He is NOT coming on a cloud. He is coming IN the clouds. This sheds whole new light. I always thought it was on a cloud, too. I wonder where I got that from. Anyways, this is how the earth is going to be>>>> The sun shall be darkened, The moon shall no more give her light, and the stars in heaven shall fall as leaves in Autumn, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. Jesus is going to come and all eyes will see Him. And He going to judge you. All of you who has mocked Him and cursed Him. I hope you get forgiveness.
---catherine on 6/12/10|
Dear brothers and sisters in Christ: After thoroughly studying the Holy Scriptures as well as being a student of history, I have come to the conclusion, after many years, that the Second Coming of Christ has already taken place.
Christ said, that "this" generation would not pass away until they saw Him coming in His glory (that generation, not ours) and that those who pierced Him (on Calvary) would still be alive to see Him (if you see a 2,000 year old Roman soldier walking around, call me).
"Yes, I am coming soon", Christ said and He made good on His promise about 40 years later, not some 2,000 years later. Read Josephus's account of the fall of Jerusalem in and around 70 A.D. - You WILL be amazed!
---Higgins on 6/11/10|
Mr/Ms Moderator, please forgive my outburst. I don't think I've been that UPSET in a very long time. Seeing our God described as a
'6 foot Jew'
caused an almost physical reaction in me. God deserves and expects our respect. Jesus came to earth, lived and died as a human for us. He came to bring us the good news. We are to worship Him, not to be glib. Thank you.
---deb on 4/8/08|
Cloud is symbolic of angels..He is coming with His angels which will look like clouds in the distance and as they come nearer, the angels will then be visible..You asked your question with a hint of mocking Christ..Lord have mercy..
---pop on 4/8/08|
I wonder if there will be any confusion. The Antichrist will 'be revealed' first according to Scripture. So there is a possibility that the Messiah will be mistaken for the Antichrist and vice versa. After all one identifying thing of both is that they will claim to be God. Discernment will be needed. As I believe the Pope is the Antichrist, I am waiting only for Jesus to come. Again, they could fool us with some kind of Messianic show, UFO's etc.
---frances008 on 4/7/08|
At The end of the AC 7 yr rule He kills the 2 Wit's. the 3rd day they rise,a earthquake & Darkness falls upon the World,
IT'S at this point Jesus W/The Bride & those that had been Beheaded for NOT taking the Mark RETURN & The Glory of Jesus Shall Be as Bright the Sun,WHO COULD MISS THAT?
It's the Rapture(Taking Away)That we know not the day Nor Hour.
The DAYS of the AC & the 2 Wits
ARE Numbered in the Bible!
7 yrs AC
2 Wits 3 1/2yrs
The Last half of Trib
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/7/08|
The coming like a thief is not the same event as coming in the clouds. The first event takes place just prior to the time of trouble. The second will be the last thing after the time of trouble.
---Dr.Rich on 4/7/08|
cont..As for not being able to see Him when He does come, He's God...if every eye on earth is to see Him, it will happen. Don't look at things from a human perspective- look at them by way of a supernatural, omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent God who can make anything happen.
---Ann5758 on 4/7/08|
When Jesus returns physically to earth, He will be coming on a white horse, as a warrior with His army. But at the time of Rapture, He will not set foot on the earth..we will rise to meet Him in the air, and be taken to wherever He is. I believe He will not be seen by people on the earth at that time.
---Ann5758 on 5/15/07|
When Christ comes again He will bring with Him all His armies of Heaven and all will be dresses in white linen. Rev.19-11-17
I believe this is what is believed to be refered to as clouds.The untold number would certainly appear to be clouds. What a glorious sight it will be.
---carol on 10/27/06|
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There are both earthly horses and heavenly horses(2 Kings 6:15-17). And yes, at the Rapture Jesus will come in a cloud(with the saint's) He won't touch the ground and He will be gone in a moment in a twinkling of an eye, this is the 2nd Appearance of Christ. During Armegeddon(the 3rd Appearance of Christ),Jesus will come on a heavenly white horse in a cloud(with the saint's) I can't wait to be on one of those horses with my Lord!(Rev. 14:14-20, 19:11-21)(Jude 1:14-16). God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/27/06|
Kay: I am confused! I don't remember writing about horeses, pro or con. I do remember writing about the clouds as being made up of the angels accompanying Jesus.
By the way the war that you mentioned is a non event! P.
---Pierr5358 on 10/27/06|
"Pierr;I enjoy reading your posts,but let's not get carried away.Horses in heaven?."
Just because some parts are figurative doesn't mean everything is figurative.Why is it so hard to believe that their are animals in Heaven?Couldn't God create animals for Heaven just as He created animals for Earth?Jesus returns to Earth riding a white horse and His army is also riding horses.In other words, a war is about to break out.
---Kay on 10/27/06|
At the height of the Cold War, many thought that the cloud Jesus would ride on would be a nuclear Mushroom cloud ... the end of the world
---Alan_of_U.K. on 6/9/05|
Rosa: NOT TRUE THAT:righteous receive reward when secretly raptured at beginning of 7 yrs tribulation and unrighteous destroyed at the end of same period. THE BIBLE TEACHES:
The Second Coming of Jesus is a divine climactic event-men and women are either going to be saved or lost. NO 7 yrs period to reconsider/reconfigure our lives. NOW is the day of salvation. 2 COR 6:2 and MATH 13.30. Both, the wheat and the tares (saved/lost) grow together until the harvest (Jesus' 2nd Coming)!!!
---Pierr7958 on 6/4/05|
Pierre, you misunderstood Elder,and the bible.
At the time of the 'rapture' or catching away, people will just dissapear from the earth, no one will see God at that time. That is the beginning of the 7 year Tribulation. After that, all on earth will see Christ's 2nd coming, on a cloud as the bible states, after the great battle.
---Rosa on 6/3/05|
Here's 2 thoughts. 1. Jesus wasn't 6 foot. He was more like 5ft7 or 8. He didn't stand out in a crowd. Remember the scene when he got away from his pursuers, he walked straight past them so he wasn't head and shoulders about the rest and Jews were shortish. 2. "Every eye shall see Him" (when He returns on a cloud), I believe the internet and global satelite will play a big part in fulfilling this prophecy. When the whole world has access, then He shall come.
---lisa on 5/28/05|
Rebecca_D you are right about the carnal mind not being able to understand the spiritual things of God.
The Book of the Revelation is not as symbolic as some think.
---Elder on 5/28/05|
First there is only ONE Revelation in that book.
Next, John was recording things that he had never seen before and a host of future events that he didn't understand, like Locust with fire from their tails.
I teach the entire book in three hours. (Where is Herb when you need him?) It is an easy book to understand.
Linda you are so right about the "6 foot Jew."
---Elder on 5/28/05|
The horses that are talked about in Rev, is symoblical as well, read Rev 9:17, it was a vision that John saw, and spoke of these horses. Revelation is a book that a person has to understand it spiritualy. I honestly don't think the carnel mind can fully understand this.
---Rebecca_D on 5/27/05|
Jesus isn't a six foot Jew. He is Almighty God.
---Linda_Smith on 5/27/05|
Well Elder,There are old pilots and bold pilots but no old-bold pilots. agape
---1st_cliff on 5/27/05|
Friends, Cliff is going back to his flying days with his reference to "towering Qs."
Fog is a Stratiform cloud that is about 50 feet within the surface. They restrict visibility during landing and takeoff.
Fighter planes can fly upside down for extended periods of time. During W.W.II some Aircraft emblems were painted upside down to confuse the enemy pilots.
It is very dangerous to fly at Mach speed in a Stratiform cloud.
So is not taking God at His Word.
---Elder on 5/27/05|
Cliff, I told you what it was so make it anything you want.
As I told you before if you would study the items you would understand why they ARE instead of why they can't be.
Cliff you know flying in Stratiforms is dangerous too especially if you are inverted and refuse to pay attention to the gauges. Do you do that a lot ol' buddy?
---Elder on 5/27/05|
If the clouds are literal,theyre bound to be "towering Qs" , there are few things in this world more deadly than those! With enough towering Qs He wont need the "horses". they spawn tornados
---1st_cliff on 5/26/05|
Elder; So the sword is "figurative" but not the horses? then why do you need to explain their symbolic use? If rev. is not hard to understand then at least we need "consistancy" The horse is also figurative ,unless it's "Pegasus" This is not mockery,it's called "reasoning"
---1st_cliff on 5/26/05|
The best and only way to understand the Revelation is to understand the rest of the Bible.
Horses in Heaven? You bet. When we understand the significance of the animal in battle we will understand why Jesus returns on a White Horse.
When trying to bring peace the King rode a Donkey.
The White Horse was the mount of a Conquering King. It could not be missed by the enemy.
---Elder on 5/26/05|
Sword out in His mouth refers to Heb 4:12. Jesus wins with the Word of God. This Sword is two edged. It cuts going in and coming out.
That is why when we fight spiritual battles it must be with the Word of God.
Instead of mocking and saying it can't be we need to look in Faith and say why not.
Revelation is an open book and not hard to understand if we STUDY the rest of the Bible along with it.
---Elder on 5/26/05|
Mt.24:30 26:64 Mark 13:26 14:62 1Thess 4:17 Rev 1:7 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Jn.7:39
(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Spirit was not yet given: gecause that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
When Jesus comes in the clouls he will be glorified.
---Ulrika on 5/26/05|
Pierr;I enjoy reading your posts,but let's not get carried away. Horses in heaven? If the horses are literal then so is the long sword sticking out of Christ's mouth! Rev. is highly,figurative and symbolic.discernment is required.
---1st_cliff on 5/25/05|
So, if all this talk of the rapture of the church is a lie why does the bible tell us that one man will be grinding at the mill (or working in the field or in bed), one will be taken the other one left etc.? This is the time He comes as a thief in the night, the other time every eye will see Him.
---Xanthi on 5/25/05|
A Christian writer in the year 500 or so said that there are many things in the Bible that are NOT to be understood in a fallen, earthly sense, "for example, when it says that God has hands, fingers, or toes. Those with a mind understand this."
When the Lord returns, all the prophecies will be fulfilled exactly--and as surprising and totally unexpectedly as at His first coming. (God never does QUITE what you think He's going to do, remember--and NEVER what you think He's supposed to do!)
---Jack on 5/25/05|
Rebecca_D Al of the symbolic things in the Revelation have a reference elsewhere in the Bible.
I don't think there will be any thing different about the cloud then and the ones we see now.
Ann5758 maybe willa was speaking that God sent His direction in that manner, who knows but Willa?
---Elder on 5/25/05|
There was a cloud in the shape of a man's hand seen rising out of the sea in Elisha's day. That is a natural picture of an appearing of the Lord in the hand of the Lord, the five-fold ministry gifted to the body to equip till we all come to the unity of the faith, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ. If you miss that appearing, you may very well miss any that come after it.
---Linda_Smith on 5/25/05|
Most of the cloud that will surround Jesus when he comes back will be made up of thousands of gloriously bright shining angels riding white horses. Rev 19:14
---Pierr7958 on 5/25/05|
The cloud is symbolic, meaning it won't be like the clouds we see in the sky now.
---Rebecca_D on 5/25/05|
Oh, I certainly know the cloud willa was talking about, elder. I just never saw it written anywhere that Jesus was in that cloud.
---Ann5758 on 5/25/05|
Ann5758 what willa6349 is speaking about is in Exod 13:20-22, 14:19-20 and I Cor 10:1.
This cloud not only guided the children of Israel and Moses but it also protected them from the Egyptians.
---Elder on 5/24/05|
Rebecca_D please tell me how you have come to the conclusion that Rev 14:14 is symbolic?
Pierr7958 After reading I Thess 4:16-17, not seeing the Church after Rev 3:22, seeing the marriage supper in Rev 19:7-9, the riders on the White horses in Rev 19:11:14, seeing the Tribulation in Matt 24 and realizing that Noah did not experience any of the judgement waters and then rightly dividing the Word of Truth there will be no problem in your seeing two events.
All ya gotta do is study.
---Elder on 5/24/05|
Where do you read that, Willa? I have never seen that anyplace in the scriptures.
---Ann5758 on 5/24/05|
he was in the cloud that guided the Jews by night and day
---willa6349 on 5/24/05|
On the birth of Christ.
Someone preached about the Old Testament coming of Jesus. He said there are 3 ways he could have come. But God in his infinite wisdom put all the prophesies together His own way.
On the 2nd coming, we try everything to predict how he will return. God will do it His way. The question - ARE WE READY? If God came today WOULD WE BE READY?
---barbara67 on 5/24/05|
I know of some people who believe that when the graves will open, then they will litteraly open. That would scare me. I know in Rev 14:14 it is symbolical. In Acts 1:11 Jesus asks why gazing up into heaven...so that tells me that Jesus will be coming back in the same manner as he was taking.
---Rebecca_D on 5/24/05|
Is there anything too hard for GOD?
---anon on 5/24/05|
Elder,you warn us not to confuse the 2nd. coming of JCh. and the "calling of the church" the former visible to all,the latter being visble only to the (members) of the church.The Bible does not see 2 distint events..
The church to come out of world (Babylon) filled with religious confusion NOW! The idea that a church is going to get out of here "secretly" and the rest will stay here and go up later if they have made things right with their God,is a pack of lies.
---Pierr7958 on 5/23/05|
If God is capable of seeing us all at the same time, and hearing everyones prayers at the same time, why should we doubt that He will be able to allow us all to see Jesus returning at the same time. It won't matter which part of the globe we inhabit, we'll see Him, and yes, it could mean via television. One day all will be revealed.
---Xanthi on 5/23/05|
Do not confuse the Second Coming with Christ calling the Church out of the world. Call it Rapture or what you will.
The calling of the Church will be only for the Church. The world will not hear the call.
At the Second Coming every eye shall see.
The Cloud will be natural and not a marshmallow.
---Elder on 5/23/05|
Acts 1:9-And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; 11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
---Bruce5656 on 5/23/05|
Isn't it great to imagine it happening? And even more wonderful when we get to experience it! I don't know exactly how it will happen. I do believe He will come back through the clouds as the Bible says, but someone recently said, and it makes sense, that the reason we can all see it is the wonder of live television...that part of the Plan is already set in place....Certainly reporters would be right on that story!
---Tanya on 5/23/05|
Rest assured that Jesus is coming back. we can imagine all sorts of scenarios for his return but He promises that we will not know the time or place or mode of delivery for his return. All we have to do is prepare our hearts for him in all we do.
---chuck on 5/23/05|
Matt. 24:30..."They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory." Zechariah 14:4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives...(7) It will be a unique day...when evening comes, there will be light. (9)On that day there will be one Lord, and his name the only name. Acts 1:9 and a cloud rec'd him out of their sight...shall also come back in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
---Eloia8896 on 5/23/05|
Good morning Jo: In the Bible (Revelation 1:7) John says, "Look, He is coming with the clouds, AND EVERY EYE WILL SEE HIM....." That's proof enuf for me that there will be no mistaking Jesus' coming. Read about Daniel's vision also in Daniel 7:13. My guess is that it will be not only visual but seen by our spiritual eyes as well. Manifestations from God's Spirit are not always humanly logical; but are ALWAYS true nonetheless. God's blessings and grace be with you!
---Elsie on 5/23/05|
Jesus will come back with a great noise from the eastern sky. I guarantee everyone will know when it happens.
---shira_5965 on 5/23/05|
When the living creatures went, the wheels went by them: when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up. Whithersoever the spirit was to go, they went,the wheels were lifted up over against them: the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels. When those went, these went; and when those stood, these stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up over against them: the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels. Ezekiel 1:19-21
---anon on 5/23/05|
I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel upon the earth by the living creatures, with his four faces. Appearance of the wheels and work was like unto the color of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel. When they went, they went upon their four sides: and they turned not when they went. As for their rings, they were high they were dreadful; their rings were full of eyes round about them four. Ezekiel 1 15-18
---anon on 5/23/05|
Jo; Take it from me,I have been in,on and around many clouds, and believe me they are not the sort of things you stand on! The "clouds" mentioned in scripture were and are symbolic.
---1st_cliff on 5/23/05|
The whole world won't be able to see two profits lay dead in the streets then raise from the dead and be taken into heaven unless they watch Fox News
---Rev_Herb on 5/23/05|