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Unity Of Churches and Denomination

What will be the greater factor that can facilitate unity of churches of various denominations. Some have diverse beliefs or practices that are exclusive and sometime denying participation by members of other denominations?

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 ---pek on 5/23/05
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Are you talking in terms of the one world religion that is to take place in the last days, or are you referring to the desire to see the body of Christ unified. If the latter, unconditional love, mercy and grace. We judge one another based on our own opinions, and forget that God is eachother's Master, at which we stand or fall to, and the Lord is able to make ALL of his servants stand. Black, white, short, tall, sat, sun, etc.
---Katie on 1/23/08


Getting back to the original issue: Pek, I'm sure that most Christians would love unity between all denominations. Problem is, if we were to unify at this point the only way it could take place would be to seek the lowest common denominator. In other words - a worthless watered down version that would not resemble true Christianity. Remember, this is what the Anti-christ will do when he appears on the scene.
---Rick on 7/30/05


Lupe2618 Just happen to see your postings . I do see most "end time" events as still in the near future. Most of the details I have gleaned from reading "The Great Controversy" by E.G. White and also taking classes studying Daniel & Revelation. These materials are available FREE OF CHARGE for you, once , from www.pierresministry.com Send me your adress and I will send you the goods!
God bless
Pierr
---Pierr7958 on 7/9/05


i have been warmly welcomed in all the black, white, brown, and red cultured churches. God's people should not be prejudiced, however not all churches are holy, and the leavened assemblies of Satan will never unify with the true church of God.
---Eloy on 7/9/05


Pek: I have to wonder why you would be concerned over diverse beliefs. Don't you believe in liberty of conscience? Or do you think we should return to the dark ages and, like the RC Church, burn dissenters at the stake?
---Jerry on 7/9/05




Meggs ... I think you are wrong, because I believe the end of the world and the second coming are centuries ot millennia away. Maybe I am wrong, but that does not matter, because I live every day as if Jesus is coming this next second (as well He might, for me, if say I suffer a heart attack)
We should not try to second-guess God.
---Alan8869_of_UK on 7/9/05


I believe you answered the question on, Jews still God's chosen people.
---Lupe2618 on 7/9/05


This view conflicts with the book's own often repeated claim to be prophecy. The only view that makes more sense is the FUTURIST view. This view insists that the events of Chap 6-22 are yet future, and that those chapters literally and symblolically depict actual people and events yet to appear on the world scene. Now I read on another answer you gave where you used what is called, "Replacement Theology." Can I ask what book you read and by whom it was written? Thank you Pierr.
---Lupe2618 on 7/9/05


the book contains neither historical allusions nor predictive prophecy. This view also ignores Revelations' prophetic character and , if carried to its logical conclusion, ruins the book from any connection with actual historical events. Then Revelations becomes merely a book of stories designed to teach spiritual truth. There is a least two other views that I have read, one, the PRETERIST view, they interpret Revelations as a description of first-century events in the Roman Empire,
---Lupe2618 on 7/9/05


Robs Revelations of any meaning for those to whom it was written. It also really ignores the time limitations the book itself places on the unfolding events in (11:2;12:6,14;13:5) You see, Historicism produces many different-and often conflicting -interpretations of the actual historical events contained in Revelations. Now the IDEALIST approach interprets Revelations as a timeless depiction of the cosmic struggle between the forces of good and evil. The problem with this view is that in this view,
---Lupe2618 on 7/9/05




Pierr, I have checked your writing on six different hermeneutical books and the only one reference I found was that you have taken what is called a Historicist approach to revelations. Historicist approach views Revelation as a panoramic view of church history from apostolic times to the present-seeing the symbolism such events as the barbarian invasions of Rome, the rise of the Catholic Church (as well as various individual popes), This interpretive method robs
---Lupe2618 on 7/9/05


Pierre I am sure that God does not expect us to do complicated intellectual detective deductions in order to be "saved"

And what evidence is there that the Roman Church is what yuor revelation description of the beast refers to?
---Alan_of_U.K. on 6/9/05


1st Cliff:
You look at the quotes I have submitted to decide for yourself if I made a reasonable deduction, without the presence of that one statement that YOU can look for if you need it!
---Pierr7579 on 5/29/05


Pierr; I must say you are certainly "tenacious"!Can you give one scriptural example when a sabbath was a life & death issue? What scripture leads you to believe that the "beast" will play the "sabbath card?"that's explicit!(type-antitype)
---1st_cliff on 5/29/05


1stChris
You will have to face the fact, I believe that I have led you to the water,but just like some others, I am not going to force you to drink! All I will add is that you are right, in Daiel's day the issue was not about the Sabbath but at the end, when "the beast" seeks to impose its will, using Sunday laws, the issue will be aboutSU vs SA. Wait and see!
---Pierr7579 on 5/29/05


Pierr;I hate to sound like a broken record,but you're reading something into this that dosn't exist. It's the same issue Daniel faced in his time,refusing to worship any but the true God! No indication that a weekly,yearly or jubilee sabbath is "involved"
---1st_cliff on 5/28/05


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1stCliff: Col 2:16 NOTE that in the Bible there are 2 kinds of Sabbaths: the 7th day Sabbath,instituted at Creation and part of the commandments. It is a WEEKLY reminder of loving and all powerful Creator. The YEARLY SABBATHS relate specifically to "a shadow of things to come" pointing to Christ's coming putting an end to the feasts/ceremonies. IT IS IN REGARD TO THIS 2nd TYPE THAT THE TEXT SPEAKS and that we should not judge!
---Pierr7958 on 5/28/05


denominations are all came in all different ideas and beliefs formed by so called Man of God. in the bible Jesus only mentioned in His teaching the KIngdom of God. christianity today are full of diverse teaching . sound doctrine in the early days of the apostles pertaining to the kingdom of God this is now missing and neglected
---ayo on 5/28/05


1st Cliff:
I am sorry that all that kept you from seeing the important picture is one missing word but all is not lost. You did pick up the fact that these passages feature a conflict of "allegiance" and "sovereignty" Now let me ask you to reread the passages and tell me honestly what the isssue is. What would those who would accept the "mark of the beast"do and what would the people who accept the "seal of God" do?
I am not even going to give you a clue!?!
---Pierr7958 on 5/27/05


Pierr; If rev. 13 or 14 specificaly mentioned a "sabbath" I would have to agree with you, but clearly it does not! This is an issue of "sovereignty" and "allegiance". As far as the sabbath goes even Paul says let no man judge you with respect to obseving a....sabbath col.2.16
---1st_cliff on 5/27/05


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1stCliff:
Come on now! Do me a favor. Read REV 13:14-18 then go to REV 14:7-12 remembering what you read in ch 13 and even if you are not used to Bibe study you will see that: REV 14:7 calls us to true worship of the Creator ON THE SABBATH as he directed us to do in his 4th commandment:"Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy... Rethink your position before it is too late!
---Pierr7958 on 5/26/05


Pierr; Your little treatise on sat vs sun. is very interesting,but rev. 14 does not mention a "sabbath" issue.So it's pure conjecture or 7th Day Adventist theology!But then again there are more religions in Cal. than all the rest of the USA! I once lived in San Diego!
---1st_cliff on 5/26/05


Friends: CONT. Rev. 14:12 says that to worship him on his day is a sign of FIDELITY.
Rom.6:16 says that it is more than a question of days, IT IS A QUESTION OF WHICH MASTER WE ARE GOING TO HONOR. The beast and its friends will draft SUNDAY laws prohibiting those who refuse to obey to worship on Sunday from buying/selling and eventually they become targets of a death decree and many will die! (It is in the Bible? You find it, E-mail the ref. and your address I will send you free lit. on the subject)
---Pierr7958 on 5/26/05


Xanthi; Is it pronounced Zanthy? ...If you know me you know I'm curious about "everything!"
---1st_cliff on 5/26/05


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Friends: CONT. Dan 3:14 presents the central issue in what will be a time of trouble as has NEVER been: TRUE or FALSE WORSHIP whether to honor God's designated day of worship (the Sabath) or man's desinated day (Sunday). Rev.
14:7 calls us to true worship of the Creator on his day,the Sabbath and v.9-11 call us to avoid the counterfit (Sunday) TO BE CONT.
---Pierr7958 on 5/26/05


Friends: Megg is not kidding! Let me tell why.
In Dan.7:1-9 we a dragon emerge which represents Rome. Rev.13:2 tells us that the dragon (= Pagan Rome) gives papal Rome new powers and authority.
Rev.13:5 has the beast speak "blasphemy" claiming the power to forgive sins (Lk 5:21) making himself equal to God. TO BE CONT.
---Pierr7958 on 5/26/05


1st Cliff, I think Megg was joking. I certainly hope so, OR possibly she is referring to the time when there will be a One World Religion and everyone will be expected to bow down to the abomination.
---Xanthi on 5/26/05


Megg; I've heard a lot of things in my day but that's a new one on me. Where did you get that from?
---1st_cliff on 5/25/05


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Jn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 1Cor 15:3 that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scripture: Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church... Jn.14:16,26 16:7
We become members of body of Christ when we repent and receive Jesus as our saviour. 1Cor12:27 Eph 3:6 4:-32 5:23,32
---Ulrika on 5/25/05


Well, the Sunday law is coming soon where everyone will be forced to go to church on sunday and forced to pray in a stated manner.
---Megg on 5/25/05


Ecumenical counsels,have been tried for eons without sucsess.Rather than comming together they are fractionating to the extent that there are 100s of "Christian" denominations. Strange thing about this is that most claim guidence of the Holy Spirit!
---1st_cliff on 5/24/05


We looked to find a body of believers who taught the whole Holy sriptures, comparing scripture with scripture. YOu can't believe you will enter in....if you don't believe you must be born again. We've found that body and wish everyone could be as fulfilled. Our church isn't perfect.but the whole truth is taught uncompromisingly.
---Eloia on 5/24/05


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Elsie, by 'sad and stuck' do you mean that you regularly attend a church but it is not really what you are looking for? I really hope you find the one that suits your needs and personality very soon if that is the case and will be praying for you.
---Xanthi on 5/24/05


First, thanx to Pek for the question and then thanx to Xanthi for encouraging us (through your example) not to give up finding a church home. I'm sad and stuck too! Granma Elsie
---Elsie on 5/24/05


I agree totally with Elsie and would add that I don't think there will ever be total unity because the differences are important to the indivual. I have moved church quite a few times and eventually felt I had to put down real roots or wander forever. I've settled in a church (15 years now)where there is one matter of doctrine I'm not in agreement with, so I have not become a member but, other than that, I participate as everyone else does. No-one will find a perfect church I.M.O.
---Xanthi on 5/24/05


Pek:
2 FACTORS:
1. willingness of many to believe it is ok. to worship God on man ordained vs God ordained day of rest. (Rev. 13:13-17 vs REV 14:7-12)
2. wilingness of many to believe that when a person dies,he/she lives on, soul is immortal (which it is not). This brings "together" just about everybody (witchcraft, the occult, the New Agers, Scientologist, Charismatic, Evangelicals and Catholics.)
---Pierr7958 on 5/24/05


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Unity of the Church Body Universal has been the cry of my heart since I was a teen 55 years ago. It appears that church doctrine has been the culprit. Jesus did not teach doctrine; He taught Love, His way. However, our seminaries teach doctrine and our people believe it. Add to this the worship of money and you have a formidable force. Only our Lord Jesus Christ can change our hearts with His love. Every time we separate ourselves, we crucify our Lord all over again. God help us.
---Elsie on 5/24/05


All well and good..and I can unit with all who believe as Barbara stated....However I can only love those that fear trusting Christ alone and think we must DO anything to gain salvation, be it belong to a certain church, baptized, good works..etc. I can not unite with them.
---Yeshua_follower on 5/24/05


What most Christians are lacking is TRUE LOVE. Many quote the Scriptures and come up with "beautiful" phrases but deep in their hearts they harbor lots of hatred towards other denominations.

That is against Christ's teachings.
---Albert on 5/24/05


Jehovah God, and have recieved the death, burial, and ressurection of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, then you are my brothers, and sisters, and I recieve and love you as such. Let us not give in to the tricks of the devil, and argue among ourselves about such matters. It is not a good witness to the world, and the devil knows this. If he can keep Gods people divided, and not in unity with one another, it looks bad to the world that we are trying to reach with the light, and love of Jesus Christ.
---barbara on 5/23/05


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Jehovah God, and have recieved the death, burial, and ressurection of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, then you are my brothers, and sisters, and I recieve and love you as such. Let us not give in to the tricks of the devil, and argue among ourselves about such matters. It is not a good witness to the world, and the devil knows this. If he can keep Gods people divided, and not in unity with one another, it looks bad to the world that we are trying to reach with the light, and love of Jesus Christ.
---barbara on 5/23/05


I think that the enemy has used denominations in a big way to keep the body of Christ from being in unity, and on one accord, because he knows if we ever come together on one accord with love, and Jesus as our main motive, then we can do a lot of damage to his efforts. So i refuse to let him use his tricks on me. I don't care if you have music in your church, or if you dance, shout, or worship on saturday, or sunday. All i need to know is if you worship the One and Only True God
---barbara on 5/23/05


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