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Church of Christ A Good Church

Is the Church of Christ a good congregation to be with? I got baptized through them, they seem biblical enough, but was wondering.

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1 Corintians 13:1_2 "Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing."

Paul too states that faith alone is nothing. Most spanish Bible versions translate 1 Cor 13 as "love" instead of "charity".

Matthew 25:35_36 "For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: ..."

In those verses Christ is rewarding active love or charity, not faith.
---Nana on 2/16/15

James does talk about works and so does Paul, Jesus and all the writers of the New Testament. Works do not save us. They are the result of faith.

Rom 3:20-22

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets,
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

See also Ephesians.

The Christian should love the law of GOD and keep his commandments. Read all of IJohn 3. John 14:23-25

---Samuelbb7 on 2/15/15

\\We are saved by Grace through faith alone.\\

Nowhere does the Bible say "faith alone."

In fact, James repudiates this notion.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/14/15

Correct I am not that familiar with the Orthodox church.

John 3 is also speaking of being Born Again by the power of the Holy Spirit. A prerequisite for baptism. Do you tell people they must be Born again?

I agree we are saved Justification, we are being saved Sanctification and we will be saved Glorification.
We agree here.

We are saved by Grace through faith alone. We work because we are saved.

Do you agree?

Do you teach that Christians do not have to obey the Ten Commandments?
---Samuelbb7 on 2/13/15

\\I cannot agree they have not changed anything. To me they have changed a number of doctrines. \\

Shows how much you know about Orthodoxy, Samuel. So the way things seem to you have no bearing on reality.

As a matter of fact, John 3 is talking about water baptism, among other things.

In fine, for the Orthodox, we were saved, we are being saved, and we WILL be saved.

This is what the Bible teaches.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/11/15

Cluny How is a person saved according to the way taught in the Orthodox church?

Do they follow the words of John 3?

I cannot agree they have not changed anything. To me they have changed a number of doctrines.

---Samuelbb7 on 2/11/15

I saw an interesting discussion about the Church of Christ last night by former members and ministers thereof.

They all agreed that from their origin of seeking to be "Christians only" they now consider themselves to be the "only Christians."

Of course, since the Orthodox didn't drop anything or change anything, we have nothing to restore.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/10/15

There are several groups in the 'Restoration Movement'. Some are cults, several are quite liberal, but most are traditionalists. One unorthodox view is that one becomes a Christian at Baptism. Most congregations have a unique subordinate view of the Trinity that diminishes the role of the Holy Spirit to working through the Word only. I find many of the theological proofs that they offer are based on cherry picking, eisegesis, and in some cases outright deception. The C.O.C. should be considered as semi-Pelagianists, considering the emphasis they place on works (verses grace), and in their belief that a person can lose salvation. 1Timothy 1:5-7, 2Timothy 2:14-16.
---Glenn on 2/9/15

Trav wrote: "Thriving 300 years before orthoclunyism."

Don't bring yourself down to Cluny's level by writing "ortho'cluny'ism."
---Steveng on 2/9/15

\The Bible talks only of ONE church.\\
Would you like to know what that one is? (Hint: It was functioning in all its fullness before ONE WORD of the NT was written and while the Hebrew Canon was still fluid.)
---Cluny on 2/8/15

Awesome. Which makes Steveng's, home Chruch the original Church. Didn't want to bust your bubble. Glad you found out on your own.
Thriving 300 years before orthoclunyism.
Makes sense that these original "ecclesia's" are rapidly growing again.
Sheep are seeing the times we live in and corruption of the Denominational business entity and corporate mentality of the churches today.
Mat_18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
---Trav on 2/9/15

Cluny wrote: This includes the worldly denominational "church" of Steveng."

Cluny, you don't get it, do you.
Christians ARE the church.
Not a denomination or a building. What's wrong with just obeying the simple words of God? What's wrong with two or more people gathering together daily anywherein Jesus' name? What's wrong with living a simple life dedicated to the Lord without the fanfare of the traditions of man. What's wrong with praying about specific things instead of repeating prayers every week. What's wrong with meeting daily instead of an hour each week? What's wrong with spending money on the poor and needy instead of buildings, candlesticks, clothing made from fine linen - and the maintenance of such?
---Steveng on 2/8/15

The Early church was very Jewish and taught out of the Old Testament what was truth. Which is why much of the New Testament teaches out of the Old.

But as time went on. Many started changing rules and adding traditions because many of the leaders hated Jews. They added worship objects and set up a priesthood system instead of recognizing the priesthood of all believers.

As time went on some declared their leaders unable to be sinners so no matter how much evil they did it was okay.

They gathered wealth and political power and declared that those who disagreed with them were not worthy of life.

They used the state to kill all who opposed their power and gathering of wealth.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/8/15

I use to be with the CoC, but left because they said they were the only true church & that in itself is wrong. Do they stick with scripture, depends the location. Some pastors do , some Pastors add with their own opinions & world views. However if you feel God led you there & are being spiritually fed whom am I to say not to go?
---Candice on 2/8/15

\\The Bible talks only of ONE church.\\

Would you like to know what that one is? (Hint: It was functioning in all its fullness before ONE WORD of the NT was written and while the Hebrew Canon was still fluid.)

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/8/15

The Bible talks only of ONE church.

So the question is whether the church you go to agrees with the church in the Bible (yes/no). Most churches the answer is yes, but too many answer no to other churches (denominations) where the answer of God would be yes

We must be careful

Remember the Pharisees and Saducees
---Peter on 2/7/15

\\Any other church is a counterfeit church including denominational churches.
---Steveng on 2/1/15\\

This includes the worldly denominational "church" of Steveng.
---Cluny on 2/6/15

Steveng, this would make (according to Cluny) Ortho's the original counterfeit deception with century's of millions of deceived participants.
Steveng, what does your flock pay for your Cassock's, vestments, incense and Icons? Golden or plain?
Steveng, are you "High Priest" intercessor? Please send a picture of you in your "skouphos".
Luk_20:46 Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, love greetings in the markets, highest seats in the synagogues, chief rooms at feasts,
---Trav on 2/6/15

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\\Any other church is a counterfeit church including denominational churches.
---Steveng on 2/1/15\\

This includes the worldly denominational "church" of Steveng.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/6/15

Many people approach the Bible with preconceived beliefs.

Calvinist start with what they consider to be the fact of the truth as taught by Calvin on predestination. Therefore they ignore anything that disagrees with it.

Some churches start with knowing their church traditions are true and must be followed no matter what the Bible says.

Others look at the Bible as being written by men and not inspired so they do not accept lot of it.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/6/15

The reason there are so many interpretations of the KJV bible is that the person or persons are using worldly knowledge to translate the bible - thus the many contraditions. When studying the KJV bible using spiritual knowledge, with the help of the Holy Spirit, there are no contraditions. Most christians and pastors use worldly reference books, concordances, and other authors interpretations to understand the words of God. Search for "Book Tribalism" by Jim Elliff. What ever happened to just obeying the simple words of God.
---Steveng on 2/2/15

The believer finds that there is not one contradiction that remains after careful study of the Bible rightly divided.
---michael_e on 2/1/15

Well stated. New Covenant Testament scriptures, not being written yet. The scriptures fulfilled are the same scriptures that cause disciples to flee today.

Mat 26:56 But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled.
Luk_24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

Mat_12:25 Jesus knew their thoughts, said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, every city or "house divided against itself" shall not stand:
---Trav on 2/2/15

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Christians ARE the church not a denomination or a building. Any other church is a counterfeit church including denominational churches.
---Steveng on 2/1/15

//Is the Church of Christ a good congregation?//
Compare what they preach to what the Bible says "rightly divided"
The Bible identifies those who reconcile the contradictions and sort out supposed mistakes as believers. The believer finds that there is not one contradiction that remains after careful study of the Bible rightly divided.
---michael_e on 2/1/15

If one were to look at the Bible (especially the KJV) as a stand-alone book, without any idea of its transmission or history of use and interpretation and what God has been telling other Christians through the centuries, one would come up with something very close to what calls itself the Church of Christ.

That's what's wrong with it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/26/15

well james, guess I need to look at dates more carefully. please go back and read about the woman at the well. Jesus is the living water.
---shira4368 on 1/26/15

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Chance answered 7 years ago. Thank Lawrence for drudging up an old thread.

But while I've got you on the phone, Jesus is not the Living Water He offered to the woman at the well.

John 7:39 says plainly that Jesus was speaking of the Holy Spirit
---James_L on 1/26/15

Chance, where do you get baptism in "living water"? Show me scripture. Jesus Christ is the living water. We are baptized in Christ when we get saved. He offered the woman at the well living water. Which was himself. The bible does not instruct us to wash feet. It is done in some churches as an experience of being humble. I believe we should wash feet. Growing up we washed feet but you won't find any church now that washes feet. As a matter of fact most churches are dead and dry and the Holy Spirit isn't anywhere to be found.
---shira4368 on 1/25/15

Peter, you are right, no doubt.
---learner2 on 1/24/15

Doe that mean that there can be 20 denominations that are 'the only one' . . .
---Peter on 1/24/15

. . . They all tell . . . only one true church. And they are Christians, so they would not lie.
---learner2 on 1/23/15

If someone tells you there is a brick in a box on the floor, and truly believes that to be true, they may be misinformed, but they are not trying to deceive.

Many think they may be Christian, and talk like they are Christian, and truly believe they are Christian, but they are misinformed, mistaught, or even misled, but they are not trying to deceive.

There are many misinformed folks in these blogs, but most are not trying to deceive.
---aservant on 1/24/15

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-learner2 on 1/23/15: They all tell me that it is the only one true church. And they are Christians, so they would not lie.

Learner, the fact someone says their church is 'the only true church' does not have to be correct even if they are Christians. They 'do not lie' only means that what they tell you is WHAT THEY BELEIVE to be true.

It does not mean it IS true.

There are about 20 denominations that they are 'only one true church'

Doe that mean that there can be 20 denominations that are 'the only one' - obviously not! So someone has messed up their logic - not their morals, their logic.
---Peter on 1/24/15

I have spoken to many people who belong to the Church of Christ. They all tell me that it is the only one true church. And they are Christians, so they would not lie.
---learner2 on 1/23/15

The Acts 2 v 38 Church of The Living God Is, The Church of Christ, The Assembly of God, The Church of God.

Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 1/23/15

The reason for breaking the legs of those on the cross, Was so they could'nt lift up and take a breath, Suffocation was how one died on a cross, They seen that jesus had given up the Ghost(Died)already, So they pierced him & so that prophecy could be fulfilled that not one Bone of his shall be Broken & that they would look upon him who they have pierced, among others.
They Broke their Legs because they were Still Alive.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 5/28/08

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everyone mentions the thief on the cross as reason not to baptize. He died before Jesus, before the new law. Baptism was commanded in the great commision, after Jesus' resurrection.
---Renee on 5/28/08

Chance I noticed that one of your requirements for a good church was baptizing in the living flowing waters like a river or sea.
could you give me some scriptural references for this? I've never heard of it but would like to study it if you dont mind.

Thanks :-)
---Todd1 on 5/28/08

Chance, have you ever been to a Primitive Baptist Church? You might want to check them out?
---trey on 5/27/08

I was brought up in the Church of Christ, and attended for 10 years, I now attend a Non-Denominational Bible Church, which takes it's name from Acts 17:11.

The Church of Christ's Doctrine does have some truths, but is also teaches some things which are in contradiction of what is written in scripture.
---Rob on 5/27/08

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Samual, As I have looked at what Jesus taught and what the Old T said, it would appear as though the SDA church might be the closest to the real thing---that is, IF there is one. So, do you think your church is the 'remnant' as found in Rev. 12:17? Because if we are in the last days, then I am still looking for someone who might be associated with the 144,000. Thanks for your reply.
---james on 5/27/08

1. A True Church must have the Truth and observed everything accordingly to the Bible scriptures - no adding or subtracting from the Bible.
2. Did you baptised in the living, flowing water (sea/river)?
3. Did you have foot washing?

one 'no' to any of the questions,
Chance on 5/1/08

My Answers. 1. Yes we do. CofC subtract the OT.
2. Baptize by immersion. Most CofC do in baptistries just like we do.
3. Yes we practice foot washings.
So that makes my SDA church correct.
---Samuel on 5/2/08

Before the spirit was given, John The Baptist baptized with H2O, but NEW TESTAMENT Christians WHO ARE GODLY (Godly behavior) will have BECOME a new creation by recieving GODLY/spiritual "living water" (John 7:38) baptism because they didn't just HUNGER for The Lord, they "thirsted" for Him in entirety (drank of His spirit) and learned God's ways (having their conscience purified, Hebrews 9:14).
---greg on 5/2/08

Chance ... is it a biblical instruction that we be baptised in "flowing water (sea/river)"?
---alan_of_UK on 5/2/08

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Chance - that is just legalism. Baptized in flowing water???? - what about the thief on the cross?
What if your in a battle and you can't be baptized - the CoC adds to doctrine and emphasises their own key scriptures to the point of control and legalism

CoC is considered heretical
---Andrea on 5/1/08

So Chance, do you know ANY church that does what you say to do? Please let us know.
---james on 5/1/08

C of C do not believe they are a denomination - they think they are the only church of Jesus - that it is all in a name and all you others are not really in the Christian church. When ever someone tells you they have the special ticket - make sure where its going
They are autonomous but the tendency is very legalistic.
Most - think it is sinful to have musical instruments but its alright to have air conditioning and music leaders
---Andrea on 5/1/08

Some of the Church of Christ stress that we should only follow the New Testament. When Paul said all scripture is for teaching, doctrine and correction. It does no harm to compare the doctrines of other churches with the Bible and ask GOD to send the HOLY SPIRIT to teach us.
---Samuel on 5/1/08

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Ask yourselves does that church observes all these?
1. A True Church must have the Truth and observed everything accordingly to the Bible scriptures - no adding or subtracting from the Bible.
2. Did you baptised in the living, flowing water (sea/river)?
3. Did you have foot washing?

If you have one 'no' to any of the questions, you may need to reconsider.
---Chance on 5/1/08

You can't wear someone else's armor, you must wear your own. It is up to you to search for truth, not the church you attend.
---james on 5/1/08

When I attended Their world mission video's looked phony, the elders drove top of the range cars,you were supposed to give a 10th of your earnings but then you were encouraged to give a further 250 whether that came by selling your worldly goods or by making things to sell. Having said that The give a great deal to outsiders and over all a very friendly tight ruling Church, and live a better life than most church ministers at that time (90's)
---Carla5754 on 4/30/08

Expect for a tendancy towards serious legalism (not Christ like) I can not see any serious problems with Church of Christ Doctrine that does not exist with ANY DENMINATION. THere are saved and unsaved people who attend just as there are both in other factions.
---jody on 4/29/08

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The Church of Christ has no central doctrine like many Baptist they are totally independent congreations. Some are charismatic others are not. Some believe in playing instruments some do not. So they have a few common beliefs but to say they teach this is a little overboard.
---Samuel on 4/29/08

I am a baptized believer that fellowships with the Church of Christ. While I don't think that it is exactly like the first century church (what church is?), I do think that they try to follow the Bible.
---Holly on 4/23/08

To all of the ex-COC members. God bless you all. I am so glad you were able to escape and find the truth for yourself.I am a truthseeker.Jesus is the Way. How did you get so blessed? God be with you now and always. We are not to force anything on anyone at anytime only to share and to get you to thinking on some serious issues. I for one, am so happy. I rejoice with you this day!
---Robyn on 6/6/07

Does not really matter about the denomination of the churches. Again it is our belief system. If we believe in Jesus, He is the Christ,Son of God and so forth. We are going in the right direction. If we don't believe in the Resurrection,Holiness,Baptism and so on and our church teaches that, we are headed in the wrong direction. We are denying the power of God if we don't believe in these truths. God's Holy Word(the Bible) is the only authority that we need. It never changes.
---Robyn on 6/6/07

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Make any church you look at follows the pattern in the Bible. Are you sure they are following God's Way, according to the Bible or according to someones opinion, views or thoughts? Which way do you think pleases God?

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---dan on 6/5/07

Spike is out hunting. He is real. I typed for Spike to correct his spelling. When he comes back, he can type for himself. I will no longer edit for Spike. He likes that nickname because of a buddy. I like his real name, but as for all of us, it is not wise to use it.
---Spikespouse on 10/15/06

You should read a "Summary of their Beliefs", perhaps you can find it online, or else the pastor can give a copy to you, so that you can better understand the church denomination, and whether or not it is right for you.
---Eloy on 10/15/06

my family is church of Christ. they believe that you MUST be baptized to be saved. baptismal regeneration. this is wrong. Lk 3:16 states there are more than one type of baptism. they cant answer the thief on the cross question, why he went to Paradise
---r.w. on 10/14/06

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I was born, raised in Church of Christ. Recently I can admit some teachings are error. No instruments, but use pitch pipe to stay on key. Jump in car, crank up radio after church. No women - teachers, speakers, can't say prayers over church folk. They're new testament church, not much bouncing back to old. I'm visiting Baptist church. My brother gets ticked. Some believe CofC borders on being cult. Only ones going to heaven, only ones with answers. The only true church. I don't think so anymore.
---Spike on 9/27/06

Hi; I don't know how many relate to this, but at a church of Christ I used to attend, women and girls were treated almost like outcasts! My breaking point was when the minister treated a female missionary with disrespect in front of us all. I left then and thank God, I am in a church today that does not make me feel like a lesser person for being a woman!
---Mary on 9/27/06

Each Church of Christ is autonomous. Avoid comparing one with another as each is led by different men with varying views and practices of Scripture. Most Churches of Christ consider themselves modeled after the 1st Century Church, teaching and practicing baptism as the 1st Century Church taught and practiced it. The majority of Chrurches of Christ have a handful of things in common: Church name, Elder leadership, Baptism, Lord's Supper each Lord's day, and non-instrumental worship.
---John_C._Fyffe on 6/1/05

Jesus said he come to fullfill the word not to change it.The bible is our book of life from Genesis to Revelation,
---Glady5446 on 5/28/05

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Some churches will give you a copy of their church doctrine if you ask. Then you can compare it to scripture. No person or church is completely right about everything, but somethings are too important to be wrong about. God the Holy Spirit, God the Father, and God the Son Jesus Christ. Salvation Acts 4:8-12 Romams 3:23 6:23 5:8 1Cor 15:1-4 Jonh 3:17,36,16 Jn1:12
Eph 2:8,9 Rev 3:20 Romans 1:16 10:8-10
---Ulrika on 5/27/05

That tells you what I know. I did not know that they are not new testament. Wow. Can you explain what you mean by that because I have been studying with a Church of Christ person by email.
God bless you,
---sharon_darlene on 5/27/05

I would have a problem with a church that is not new testament. Does that mean they don't believe in the new testament? Mt.26:28 2Cor.3:6,14 Heb.9:1-28
Or does it mean they don't believe we have the gift of tongues like the deciples and early church. I don't think tongues(lanquages) are necessary now like when the church started. Acts 2:1-11 1Cor.13:1,8 1Cor.14:22
---Ulrika on 5/26/05

I was raised in the Church of Christ and it's mostly based upon the bible. There are a couple things that are still questioning me, the musical instruments and the dancing and the drinking of one alcoholic drink. But when it comes to being baptized, they do have the right beliefs on that.
---Andrea on 5/26/05

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They deny the power of God! That is a big thing!!They blaspheme the Holy Ghost, that is another big thing. I was raised in the church of Christ, but when I grew up and found out I had a brain I studied myself out of it and now I BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF GOD He has made himself real to me. Now I serve God, not a church!
---Pat on 5/26/05

I graduated from graduate school at Abilene Christian University - a church of Christ University. They do not believe in using musical instruments as they are not new-testament. Many adherents believe that they are THE church and all others are doomed to hell. Of course being raised a Southern Baptist I was taught we would be the only ones in heaven. LOL. Bless you in your journey.
---randy on 5/26/05

As far as I can tell they go by the Bible and the Bible only. The only thing that I did not like was that they do not use musical instruments in their church and I think they only have one scripture to base that on. But that is nothing to do with salvation. So the important things they are right on.
---sharon_darlene on 5/26/05

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