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Christians Speak The Right Words

Someone's inability to use the right buzz-words, or fluency in spouting the correct Christian jargon is no indication of his spiritual status. However, I've noticed that all too frequently on these blogs and similar lists, too many Christians fall into this trap. Why is that?

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There is no absolute Christian "jargon."
Paul wrote that we should use words easy to be understood. He said those who don't are as barbarians. You can find what he spoke in the old testament and it is not word for word.
Those whom I doubt are those who have to quote chapter and verse, word for word and find the "original" Hebrew or Greek meaning.
Some may seek to learn the original meanings with an honest heart but many are just out to impress others.

Frank
---Frank on 12/18/07


Luke 22:32
[32] But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

Alan,
The term converted is what the Lord told Peter.
Although he was a disciple, he still had not had the baptism of the Holy Ghost yet.
That "conversion" would change him from being one who denied the Lord to one of the greatest apostles in the new testament church.
Hope that helps.
Frank
---Frank on 12/18/07


Jargon cannot be learned unless it is said and explained. We come to Christ by faith.
How can go from milk to meat? More Biblical jargon!!
---barbara67 on 12/17/07


What trap? Using jargon? Mistaking jargon for spirituality? There are I'm sure as many answers to your question as there are people who do this. Some may use certain phrases out of habit, without regard that others don't talk like that... or it could be ego (which is the answer I suspect you were "baiting for"), or something else that you and I haven't thought of at all.
---Jesse on 3/16/07


Jack ... I have not read the book, but you remind me of meetings (of the Church Council ... and yes these are needed!)

We would all pray about issues beforehand, so even opposing views would be God-led.

The first person to say "I have prayed about this and God told me ... " always won the argument, because others would think "Perhaps it wasn't God who talked to me"

One of the games played by Christians to push their own preconceived? but honestly-held ideas.
---Alan_of_U.K. on 6/15/05




Thank you, Alan of UK! The words of the Lord are pure words, even in the mouth of a sinner.

But there's a difference between this--and especially the words of the Lord spoken from a heart on fire with love for God--and merely spouting rhetoric.

I can generally recognize this last one. (Ever read GAMES CHRISTIANS PLAY? It satirizes Christian jargon and duckspeak.)
---Jack on 6/15/05


The words are in scripture.I disagree that you have to be filled with the Spirit Luke 1:67 to be saved. We are baptized with the Holy Spirit Luke 3:16 when we are saved. My goal at this site is to share the gospel, and make it easy to understand. That is why I use references, so you can look it up and verify it and not be confused. Differant churches use differant words. Ye must be born again,Jesus said that. John 3:7
---Ulrika on 6/13/05


Eloy ... thank you

When I came to Christ, the word that was used was "converted" (sounds a bit like adding a bit on to the house, now!)

The evangeslist said we had to be born again,(That is an intransitive verb) but again in those days, the adjective "born-again" was not in vogue.
---Alan_of_U.K. on 6/13/05


Alan of U.K., i see. i have not that to be so. Usually when someone uses one of the descriptives it's because it is true, but i have found many more who just call themselves "christian" really are not christian at all and don't even know Christ personally.
---Eloy on 6/12/05


Eloy ... you miss my point ... the question is about buzz-words.

Not all who call themselves "spirit-filled", nor all those who call themselves "Bible believing" or "born-again", or who say "I am saved" will enter the kingdom of Heaven.

Most true Christians do not need to use these buzz-words, and they will enter the kingdom.

In my experience, many use the buzz-words to prove their superiority over other Christians.
---Alan_of_U.K. on 6/12/05




1. We are saved by grace through faith, not of ourselves. Eph 2:8 Acts 15:11 2. John 3:15-17 For God so love the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
3. When we believe we are baptized with the Holy Spirit. Mark 1:8 Acts 1:5 11:16 Romans 6:3 1Cor 12:13 Gal 13:27

4. filled with Holy Spirit. Luke 1:15,41,67 Acts 2:4 4:8,31 9:17 13:9 we can ask the Father to fill us in Jesus name.
---Ulrika on 6/11/05


Alan of U.K., There is a big difference between "Christian" and "Spirit-filled Christian", as well as the other descriptive type of christians. Scripture says, not all that say "Lord, Lord," will enter into heaven. Only the true born-again spirit-filled christians that are on fire for God, which are doers of his will and not hearers only are saved, this excludes the dead cold and lukewarm christians.
---Eloy on 6/11/05


Alan of U.K., There is a big difference between "Christian" and "Spirit-filled Christian", as well as the other descriptive type of christians. Scripture says, not all that say "Lord, Lord," will enter into heaven. Only the true born-again spirit-filled christians that are on fire for God, which are doers of his will and not hearers only are saved. The dead cold and lukewarm christians will all be condemned.
---Eloy on 6/11/05


My brother installed Theophilos 3 in my pc. It has word finder where I can type in a word and it gives a list of all the verses with that word. It also has the KJ bible, commentary(I don't use), and dictionary.
Before I got this word find I would use the concordance in the back of my bible, I still do sometimes. I learned allot in sunday school through the years.
---Ulrika on 6/10/05


born again John 3:3,7
eternal life John 3:15-17 Romans 6:23 1John 5:11-13
saved Acts 4:12 Eph 2:8 Romans 10:9,13
everlasting life John 3:16,17,36
These words are about the same thing it is what happens when we believe in Jesus as our saviour.
---Ulrika on 6/10/05


Eloy ... I think yuo know perfectly well what I meant by ordinary. I meant the Chriitian who just calls himself Christian, without adding the buzzwords.

Of course every Christian is special to God .. you know that and I know that, and you know that I know that.

I think it is unnecessary to qualify that in a way that indicates yuo are some SPECIAL KIND of Christianity
---Alan_of_U.K. on 6/10/05


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Alan of U.K., There's no such thing as an ordinary Christian..."Let every one that names the name of Christ depart from sin. Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God...Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because no light is in them." II Timothy 2:19; John 3:3; Romans 8:9; Isaiah 8:20.
---Eloy on 6/10/05


Lisa, I've been a Christian for 40 + years, OK--most of it as an Eastern (as opposed to RC or Protestant), and Eastern Christianity has an entirely different take on spiritual matters than the typical garden variety pop-evangelical.

Actually, I've noticed that so many of the posting here sound like a Christianized version of Orwell's double-plus-good duckspeak, which I frankly very unbellyfeel.
---Jack on 6/10/05


Buzz-words? Here are a few which worry me, and indicate an attitude an attitude of superiority:

"Bible-believing Christian"
"Born-again Christian"
"Spirit-filled Christian"
"Saved Christian"

Isn't an ordinary Christian all of these?
---Alan_of_U.K. on 6/9/05


Jack, just because you don't understand something or someone has been blessed by God with a gift to express themself well through writing and perhaps has great communication skills all round (because its what God has called them to) doesn't mean that they are falling into any such trap or buzz buzz. Be happy with what you have got, you can probably fix things better than those who can write well. No need to put anyone down.
---lisa on 6/9/05


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A true Christian is simply allowing God to speak through him.
---Heather on 6/9/05


Words are mighty; the pen is mightier than the sword; but actions speak louder than words. Moses was learned, but not eloquent in speach, yet he was very spiritual. New christians should exercise discernment or caution when listening to "so-called" spiritual guidance. When the blind lead the blind, both fall into the ditch. But none can fool God, he knows the thoughts and he looks upon the heart, he knows that many honor him with their lips, but their hearts are far from him.
---Eloy on 6/9/05


Dear Jack, To my knowledge Christian "buzz-words" are not said on purpose. However, when a believer has been studying Scriptures for years,there is certain terminology that comes about like an engineer or doctor. There is no "correct" Christian jargon, because true belief in the Lord Jesus Christ is an affair of the heart. If I have ever personally offended you, please accept my deepest apology. Blessings!
---Elsie on 6/8/05


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