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Why Do Churches Baptize Babies

Why do churches baptize babies? I thought one has to be aware of why one becomes baptized.

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The parents are aware that their whole household will have salvation: infants are not forbidden from the kingdom of God, for salvation is not given for parents only, but for the parents and also for their whole household. The vessel getting batized imparts nothing into their own baptism, except to obey the Command to get baptized, then God imparts 100% his Holy Spirit and consecration upon the baptized soul.
---Eloy on 2/2/09

Well, don't quote me on this, but I believe that the parents are suppose to raise the child under the supervision of almighty God. And this is why the baptism.
---catherine on 2/1/09

Some who baptize infants feel that the ceremony has saving power and compare it to an infant being circumsied.

This theory of ceremonies helping to save people is false. Yet many like it for it give the church power.
---Samuel on 1/30/09

Babies are not to be baptized. Acts 2:38-41 says, "even their children" were not referring to young children. How do we know this, the same text prequalifies this with, "first you must repent, turn to God, then be baptized," clearly stated in the same scripture. Luke 18:15-17, says Jesus touched them (children) and blessed them. We have to repent first, babies and children are not mature enough to know or appreciate repentance. Amen
Be blessed alll.
---Suzanne on 1/29/09

He who believes and is baptized will be saved. but whoever does not believe is allready condemned. So salvatiuon is in faith and not in Baptism. all churches who baptize infants recognise this yet they do not practice it. simply a baby can not accept or reject the gospel.
---Andy on 2/21/08

Same argument as a lot of other things. The Apostles did it, did they know what they were doing?
---Greyrider on 2/20/08

I keep hearing this thing that its wrong to baptise babies cuz they are not of age or they are not aware. In the OT (Jesus in the NT), Jews circumsiced new borns to make them part of the convenant like baptism to make them part of Christianity. One is put in charge to teach them the Way until they are old enough, Bar mitzvahs for Jews and 1st Communion/Confirmation for Catholic Christians. I dont think its wrong.
---Ghost on 2/20/08

Eloy:Thanks for all of your posts but I still don't believe in baptizing babies. Undoubtedly you do. Does that also include the cat,dog and pet rabbit?
---Robyn on 2/19/08

.robyn, Jesus commanded all to be baptized, and none to be excluded. The only thing man offers or can impart in baptism is his whole undone self obeying the command, God is the one who does all the supernatural converting and sanctifying, not the undone clay of man nor clay of infant nor clay of woman. Please read Ezekiel 36:23-28, I Corinthians 7:14.
---Eloy on 2/18/08

.robyn, There's nothing wrong with baptizing babies, even so when the baptized infant grows up and understands better whom Jesus is, then they again may desire baptism to settle their own conscience. Personally i myself was baptized 3 times: Sprinkled as a baby, immersed as an adult in the Trinity, and immersed again as an adult in the formal Name of Jesus.
---Eloy on 2/18/08

.robyn, There's nothing to the contrary excluding infants in scripture, but actually reads that all the households were baptized, including infants. The great commission instructs us that ALL should be baptized, again God's grace is for all the family. Matthew 28:19, Luke 3:21. I know certain religions deny baptism and communion to people, but Jesus spoke sharply against that. Please read Matthew 23:13, Luke 18:15-17.
---Eloy on 2/18/08

.robyn, In the Bible whole families and children were baptized on the same day. Baptism originally is a family affair which is all-inclusive, after the family heard the gospel message, customarily the whole family got baptized. Please read Acts 2:38-41, 16:15,32,33, Luke 18:15-17.
---Eloy on 2/18/08

.robyn, God's instruction is for ALL to be baptized to be a part of God's family, he did not say, only adults or only those who understand. He said All, that's all inclusive. We are not to lean upon our own understanding or analysis, for as the heavens are higher then the earth so are his ways higher than our ways. God gave the promise of blessing to Abraham AND to all of his children, it's not just for Abraham or the adults who understand.
---Eloy on 2/18/08

Babies should not be baptized.This is a man made ritual that has nothing to do with Christianity.Christians have adopted a lot of Jewish traditions and rituals also. Some even practice circumcision. All of this foolishness is a trick of the Deceiver.
---Robyn on 2/18/08

chris, Jesus said not those who SAY, Lord, Lord, with their lips enter into heaven, but ONLY those who actually work and DO my Father's will will enter heaven. Whoever hears my sayings and DOES them,...Matthew 7:24-27. Jesus will say, "I was hungry, thirsty, homeless, naked, sick, imprisoned, and you did not help me. I never knew you: depart from me, you all that work wrong. Depart from me you all cursed into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels. Please read Matthew 25:31-46.
---Eloy on 2/18/08

Churches baptise infants because Christians have always done this. The Bible clearly shows that households were baptised, not just the members old enough to believe. The Bible also equates Christian Baptism with Jewish circumcision which was performed on the infant sons of believers, but only on mature converts. The Children of believers (or even if only one parent is a believer) are considered to be holy and therefor acceptable to God.
---lorra8574 on 6/18/07

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Eloy, If the following is true then how can any of us be saved? Confession?
James 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
1 John 1:8,10
8. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
10. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
---chris on 6/18/07

Helen, nothing in the bible that states your statement...water emmersion baptism is for ALL who come to accept Christ in their lives...FOR EVERYONE ..its the only way of baptism in the bible...Christ was baptised that way, not sprinklin, etc...
---jana on 8/20/06

How about 1 Peter 3:21, John 3:5, Ezekiel 36:25-27, Ephesians 5:26, Titus 3:5, Romans 6:4, Col. 2:12, Hebrews 10:22, Acts 22:16, 1 Corinth. 6:11 Etc. Seems like more than a single verse to me. BTW Bruce, How is it that God is capable of baptizing the 2nd or 3rd time, but not the first (and only) time with water and the Word for the forgiveness of sins as the scriptures say?
---Tina5349 on 6/5/06

"Jesus said??"

And if you want to take a single verse and make a doctrine or rule of practice around it, why not Acts 16:31, "And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." Maybe it is that verse that "says it all."
---Bruce5656 on 6/4/06

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Water baptism is for born-again believers only, and it has nothing to do with being saved -- it is for those already saved and is an outward show of one's faith. Baptising babies is nowhere to be found in God's word.... you do have to be aware of why you are being baptised.
---Helen_5378 on 6/4/06

acts 2:38, Then Jesus said unto them, Repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus and you shall recieve the gift of the Holy Ghost. I think that says it all!!
---Melissa on 6/3/06

Donna2277, You said, "They were certainly more innocent than most who approached Him." And then you said, "Notorious sinners came to Jesus." So which is it, in your view? Who does Jesus touch? Sinners or the innocent? And what is it that makes one person more innocent than another person?
---Tina5349 on 4/5/06

Donna2277What do you believe "makes a person righteous"?
---Tina5349 on 4/5/06

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Donna2277 vs13 "so that He might touch them;" vs 16 "He took them in His arms and began blessing them, laying His hands on them." Baptism is Jesus' way of touching children. His holy kiss. Baptism is one way in which God bestows His grace, faith, and Jesus' righteousness to people. And yes, it is for sinners. You ask does baptism make a person righteous? Rx:Not the person in himself. Only in Christ. Baptism bestows Christ's righteousness to people.
---Tina5349 on 4/5/06

John 6:28-29
28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
---chris on 4/5/06

wes, I merely state the truth, then it's up to the hearer to be convinced or not. And if you think that works are not necessary, than why care that Jesus said that all will stand before his throne and be judged according to our works which we have done, and that he said to let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works and glorify the Father in heaven? What good is a fruitless believer, or what good is salt which has lost it's saltiness? So is the one without works worthless.
---Eloy on 4/5/06

#2 Tina--Notorious sinners came to Jesus, He ate and drank with them. A prostitute anointed and kissed his feet. He detained the fornicating woman at the well in order to minister to her. None of them had been baptized.
Do you believe that baptism makes a person righteous? If you do, you and I disagree on more than I thought.
---Donna2277 on 4/4/06

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#1 Tina--Where in Mark 10:13-16 does it say anything about baptism. We agree that everyone is born with a sinful nature, as your OT references say. But when did Jesus ever require that anyone be baptized to approach Him? When did He tell anyone to come to Him FOR baptism? Why should children NOT come to Him? They WANTED to be near Him. They were certainly more innocent than most who approached Him!
---Donna2277 on 4/4/06

I agree with you about Jesus commanding christians to do good work, however you still haven't convinced me that, as you say,works are required for salvation. You gave me a list of good works, but according to you, how does one know they have done enough or the right ones? The fact is there are no works that can save us except the work Jesus did on the cross and works aren't necessary for salvation.
---wes on 4/4/06

what jesus was saying was that people in the kingdom should recieve his word as a little child and if they trust in their baptism because of their faith and some knowitall tells them something to hurt their faith it would be better for those people if they had a millstone tied around their neck and cast in the sea. exzucuh
---Exzucuh on 4/4/06

Hi Donna 2277, you said, "my impression is that he believes they are fine just as they are." Hmmm... I wonder how this statement jives with Ps. 58:3, Ps 51:5, Job 14:4? These scriptures do not give the impression that infants are "fine just the way they are." I wonder why Jesus bid the disciples to let the children come to Him? Read Mark 10: 13, 15, and 16. What means other than Baptism has God provided whereby little children can be brought to Jesus?
---Tina5349 on 4/4/06

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"Adam and Eve were banned from the garden they had even more decisions to make!" OK but since they were dead in sin, they were not capable of making decisions (spiritually) for the good prior to hearing of the promised Messiah in Gen 3:15.
"Are you saying that God forces himself upon us?" No. I am saying He makes willing people out of unwilling people. People can however, reject Him. He suffers Himself to be rejected.
---Tina5349 on 4/4/06

You ask: What is the difference between those who do and those who don't? Rx: He suffers Himself to be rejected. Acts 7:51, 2Tim 3:8, Heb 4:7.

So Donna, do you believe that man is capable of believing in Jesus without the grace of God?
---Tina5349 on 4/4/06

Tina--Mark 10:14 our Lord Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these." It's interesting to me that you quoted this verse, because I had planned to quote it too. These children were not baptized (there is no reason to believe either that they were, or were going to be) but the way Jesus speaks of them, my impression is that he believes they are fine just as they are.
---Donna2277 on 4/4/06

Tina-- I do not see where God ever deprived man of free will. In fact it seems to me that when Adam and Eve were banned from the garden they had even more decisions to make!Are you saying that God forces himself upon us? We know that God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.I Tim 2:4, II Pet 3:9. But not all DO come to repentance. What not, since that is God"s will? What is the difference between those who do and those who don't?
---Donna on 4/4/06

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Yes Eloy, that is correct. I will believe Christ who I desire.

Matt. 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Matt. 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us...

Which means I also desire the Word which I will continue to study and "rightly divide" (2 Tim. 2:15)
---chris on 4/4/06

chris, you will believe whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 4/4/06

Eloy, What is the will of God? Matt. 25:31-46 is not a honey-do-list. A key phrase from it is in v.45 " did it not to me." Meaning you did the works for yourself not Christ.
John 6:28-29
28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
---chris on 4/4/06

John 6:38-40
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life:...
---chris on 4/4/06

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Donna2277 wrote: He has given us the power of choice, even as He did Adam and Eve.

Rx: He did give Adam and Eve the power of choice and prior to the fall they exercised that choice. But after the fall man became incapable of choosing good (spiritually). Because of the fall, sin spread to all men, and man lost that ability to choose good (spiritually). All men are born dead in trespasses and sin, including infants. Ps. 58:3, Ps 51:5, Job 14:4
---Tina5349 on 4/4/06

Hi Donna2277,
Why do you think there must *necessarily* be this chronological order? Any Christian who has been baptized as an infant can confidently say, "I believe and I am baptized." Yes? Are there specific references in Scripture excluding children and infants from Baptism? Mark 10:14 our Lord Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these."
---Tina5349 on 4/4/06

Okay Donna2277, I understand your definition of repentance and that it is required. My question is, do you believe that there is something within man (apart from grace) that is capable of cooperating with God? Do you believe that man is capable of believing in Jesus without the grace of God?
---Tina5349 on 4/4/06

Real Christians DO the works of Christ. Let every one that names the name of Christ depart from wrong. Be perfect, be righteous, be good and bear good fruit, be obedient, sin not, be clean, be pure, be holy, lie not, bless and curse not, love God completely, love your neighbor as yourself, love your enemies, share your faith, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit the shut-ins and prisoners and the infirmed, and be a father to the fatherless, a friend to the friendless, a helper to the helpless.
---Eloy on 4/4/06

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part 1: "He that DOES THE WILL of my Father will enter into heaven. WELL DONE, GOOD AND FAITHFUL SERVANT: enter into the joy of your lord. For I was hungry, thirsty, homeless, naked, sick, and imprisoned, and you helped me. In as much as you all HAVE DONE to one of the least of these my brothers, you all HAVE DONE to me." Matthew 7:21; 25:21,34-40.
---Eloy on 4/4/06

pt 2: "Can faith save without works? No, for FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD: BY WORKS A MAN IS JUSTIFIED, AND NOT BY FAITH ONLY. As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." James 2:14-26. Please read James 1:22.
---Eloy on 4/4/06

Tina the answer to your questions is what I already said: I do not believe that repentance can occur without a conscious awareness of sin. The very definition of repentance requires not only the recognition of sin but also the capability of feeling sorrow for it. God does require one thing...willingness to accept Him. He has given us the power of choice, even as He did Adam and Eve. The NT instruction is always "repent and be baptized", in that order. And no infant baptisms were recorded.
---Donna2277 on 4/4/06

exzucuh I guess what confuses me with your posts is the way they are worded. In your last post you say, "works of faith required by God" and then "they are not works for salvation". That is why I didnt know what you were trying to say.

I believe that you are saying the works are not required to be saved, but true faith will bear fruits or works. Correct me if I am wrong.
---chris on 4/3/06

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exzucuh - thanks for clarifying your points. I get where you're coming from now. I agree with you. That is basically the same thing I have been trying to say. We are saved by believing... but, real faith means we desire to do good works such as baptism. God does not require them of us, but we desire to do these things to please him.

If we could be saved by works, then it would not have been necessary for Christ to die.
---chris on 4/3/06

Eloy.#4In 1 Corinthians 6:11 we learn of those who are washed, justified and sanctified, and all of these blessings are conditioned on simple faith in Christ. It is impossible to find a true believer in Christ who is un-washed, un-justified and un-sanctified. Such a thought would be Biblically absurd! But according to those who believe in baptismal regeneration, there is a period of time, where a person is a believer in Christ and yet is not yet saved and not yet forgiven and not yet cleansed.
---Ramon on 4/3/06

there are two different kinds of works, dead works which is nothing more than judaism or serving the law of Moses for salvation the other is the works of faith required by God they are the works that James was talking about saying faith without works is dead , they are not works for salvation but works of obedience like abraham did they do not save they please God and prove your faith to him. and faith is required to be saved exzucuh
---Exzucuh on 4/3/06

Chris in the old testement there is typology in stories that help us to get a better understanding of things Naaman a gentile with lepersy represents sin on people of the world elijah who represents John the baptist telling people to cleanse themselves in baptism, seven times represents a complete or finished work, naamans attitude represents rebellion against baptism, him obeying is repentence. exzucuh
---Exzucuh on 4/3/06

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Eloy.#3. What happens if the person dies after he believes in Christ but before he is baptized in water?. When you go outside to win people to christ, do you baptise them in the street? If you say no, then you dont want people to get save!. Anything could happend to them, and plus who knows; Christ could come back. Baptism dont saves us. Do you carry a portable tub when you spread the word outside? If they get hit by a car Even if they accepted christ in there HEART, they go to hell.Lie!
---Ramon on 4/3/06

Donna2277, Oooops! Sorry. I just realized that there is more than one Donna responding. I didn't ask what repentance means according to Webster, but thank you anyway. What about my other questions?
---Tina5349 on 4/3/06

Eloy.#2.. If a person has eternal life the moment he believes on Christ, then this person is saved. All those who receive Jesus Christ by faith have received Gods free gift of eternal life! and this free gift becomes theirs at the moment of faith, not at the moment of water baptism.Acts 10:43. If a person believes on Christ and does not receive forgiveness of sins, then God is a liar! How is a person purified and made fit for Gods kingdom? (Acts 15:9).Read Acts 16:31; 1 Cor. 1:21
---Ramon on 4/3/06

Eloy.Titus 3:5Not by WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS which WE HAVE DONE, but according to His mercy He saved us.

2 Timothy 1:9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS. (etc)

Again works dont save you. John 3:16; John 3:36; John 5:24; John 6:47; John 11:25-26 and other passages clearly teach that those who believe on Christ HAVE eternal LIFE as a present possession (compare also 1 John 5:12).
---Ramon on 4/3/06

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Here is Websters definition of repentance.

repentance n.

1.deep sorrow, compunction, or contrition for a past sin, wrongdoing, or the like.
2.regret for any past action.
---Donna2277 on 4/3/06

Tina--I do not believe that repentance can occur without a conscious awareness of sin.
---Donna2299 on 4/3/06

Eloy wrote, "Baptism IS required for salvation." on 3/31 and, "Works are required for salvation..." on 4/3

Before I (and others) jump to conclusions, please tell us how this Scripture agrees with what you wrote, OK?

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. King James Version.
---John_T on 4/3/06

Part II
Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
---wes on 4/3/06

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Eloy says "works are required for salvation". What kind of works do you think you have to do? Win ten people to Christ? Win twenty people? We are saved by faith and not by works. If we could save ourselves by our works then we wouldn't have needed Jesus to die for our sins.
---wes on 4/3/06

I believe baby baptism was instituted by man, not God. Where are the examples in the bible? Why didn't man follow God's way and institute adult baptism? I too was baptized as a baby, but when I became Born Again and understood what it meant, I was then re-baptized in water as an adult. I believe that's probably what most believers do today, do the water baptism over again as an adult.
---Donna9759 on 4/3/06

Eloy, I am contentious? You tell me that I am untruthful, damned and then accuse me of provoking you? Interesting logic.

I have not condemned you. As long as you have faith, belief and love for Christ then you are saved, even if you are misguided in thinking that works are also required. Only God knows our hearts.

Luke 6:37
Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
---chris on 4/3/06

chris, Works are required for salvation, we obey God not only because we desire to, but because it is right and the right thing to do. Without works ones faith is dead, and the fruitless tree is condemned. chris, you are contentious and speak untruth, therefore I will not continue this topic with you.
---Eloy on 4/3/06

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A little historical perspective helps many times.

Until the 1500s, and after Luther, in 1547 ALL infants were baptized. Today, many believing churches practice infant baptism. They are in the Reformed (Calvinist) mode. None dare call them all unsaved.

Meno Simons and his Anabaptist followers taught believer's baptism. Then it was considered heresy, punishable by a baptism parody: prolonged death by dunking on a stool for longer and longer periods, finally drowning.
---JohnT on 4/3/06

Exzucuh, You mentioned 2 Kings 5:11, and I cannot find where it calls the healing of Naaman baptism. I think that would have been worth mentioning. If it is, then do we have to do it 7 times? Will it cure us of our afflictions? May not be luck for most of us if this is required because most of us has only been baptized once.

I dont mean to sound rude, but I cant figure out where you are going with the rest of your posts.
---chris on 4/3/06

Eloy, lip servers who say, Lord, Lord, are damned; and the doers who do his will, are saved is NOT what my Bible says. It is a paraphrased version that you created. That is NOT what I call straight forward without any twists. Sorry, I like exact quotes, not interpretations.

We are in agreement that works will happen if you have true faith and love for Christ.

If you think that the works are a requirement, then that is the point where we disagree.
---chris on 4/3/06

Eloy, I know the truth. The scripture that you referenced tells us that saying doing is not enough. We must truly love him from our hearts. If we truly love Christ the Holy Spirit will fill us with desire to do good works and bear good fruits. Our salvation is guaranteed at that point in which we believe on Christ with true love. The works are just a way for us to glorify him, not because we have to, because it is what we desire.
---chris on 4/3/06

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Donna, Or do you believe that man is dead in trespasses and sin and therefore unable to contribute anything to his salvation--not even his human reason and understanding?
---Tina5349 on 4/3/06

Donna, so do you believe that a person must reach the "age of reason" or the "age of accountability"? Do you believe that there is something within the person that is capable of cooperating with the grace of God? Do you believe that man is capable of believing in Jesus without the grace of God?
---Tina5349 on 4/3/06

Tina--The scriptures you cite show that all are born with a sinful nature. An infant has the rights of personhood, but not the full responsibility. And repentance is a responsibility, not a passive act. We may not be able to repent without God, but God doesn't do it FOR us. Why else all the Biblical admonitions to REPENT? I still see no Biblical (nor common sense) justification for infant baptism.
---Donna2277 on 4/3/06

it says "repent" and be baptised a infant can not possiably know what he did wrong so how are they to repent . the roman catholic church brought that into being during the dark ages. also immersion is the only bibical way to baptize. sprinkling is not bibical.
---KATRINA on 4/3/06

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Baptism is an outward testimony, to show good faith. One doesn't need to be baptised in order to go to heaven. It is like a person don't need to speak in tongues in order to go to heaven, but speaking in tongues is the evidence of the Holy Ghost. If it was a commandement by Jesus then he would have said, Go and tell all the people the Lord, thy God saith you have to be baptised in my name. He said go and preach the word.
---Rebecca_D on 4/2/06

chris, faith without Works is 100% dead.
---Eloy on 4/2/06

chris, Read the scriptures that I quoted straight forward without any twists, where Jesus himself said the lip servers who say, Lord, Lord, are damned; and the doers who do his will, are saved in Matthew 7:21; 25:31-46.
---Eloy on 4/2/06

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