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Tithes From The Gross Or Net

Where would you base your 10% tithes, from gross income or net pay/month?

Moderator - Are we under the law or grace giving? Between tithes and offerings the Jews gave around 20%. Does it all belong to God under grace?

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I would like to comment on the issue of tithing on gross or net. If you think about it, most people in the Old Testament were "business owners." They didn't work for other people so to speak.

They paid out 10% of the first fruits or of the income produced. Then, they paid their taxes. So, if you think about it, they paid on gross.

In today's society, as a result of the industrial revolution, most people are employees & the government takes taxes out in advance. But business owners don't pay taxes until April 15.

So, it is my opinion, based on that logic that tithing on gross seems to make more sense based on what people did in the OT for a living....
---Ed on 5/21/09


tithing is very important and mandatory. Yes it was said in the OT, but does that mean we through it out because it was in the OT. if that was the case we might as well disregard everything else that was said in the OT. all scripture is God- breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. 2tim 3:16 in malachi, the Lord told the people that without paying tithes they were robbing God. it's not until you pay your tithes will the Lord rebuke the devourer for your sake. Not only that, the Lord said pay your tithe so that it may be food in His house. How does anyone expect the gospel to be spread if there weren't faithful tithers.
---maree on 10/1/08


Christians are led by the Spirit, not by tithing law. How can the Spirit lead if your hung up on law? We have been set free for a reason.
Many preachers teach tithing because they have no faith in God to provide.
---duane on 9/28/08


It gets really complicated if a person is a real legalist. I mean, the last thing we need to do if we don't want to live under grace with freewill offerings is treat God like an IRS agent. What about gains on IRA's and 401k's? Should we only pay 10% on them when we take money out? Or, should we pay 10% on ALL stock market gains? Does that mean I get a tithe rebate if the market crashes like it did last week? Or, do we wait until the stock is sold?
---obewan on 9/26/08


Todd: Even wage earners should tithe on the net - not the gross. If I tithe on the Social Security and Medicare funds taken from my pay, should I then tithe again on the Medicare and Social Security payments I receive at retirement? Why should I tithe on the increase given to someone else (welfare) by stealing my money (taxes)?
---jerry6593 on 9/25/08




According to scripture (Leviticus 27) tithable items were of the land, fruit of the tree, the seed of the land, the herd, and the flock. You were only to tithe your excess and it was the tenth of your excess not the first of the excess. Christinas do not need to tithe because we are not mandated in the new testament to follow the law. Besides only farmers tithed, how many Christians are farmers? Tithing was instituted by God to take care of His priesthood.
---Ryan_Z on 9/24/08


Jerry I agree completely. My comment was directed toward normal people who don't own their own business.

Someone who owns their own business is in a different position: I believe they should tithe on whatever their increase, or profit, is, excluding the overhead.

Common example, you purchase a shirt for $5 and sell it for $10. Your increase is only $5 so that's what you'd pay tithe on. Not the whole $10 you sold the shirt for.

Sorry about the misunderstanding. :-)
---Todd1 on 9/23/08


When my husband and I tithe on his check, we tithe of the gross income, because that is the first fruit of his labor. Trust me, it is
always a little scary when you look at what you brought home and then divide up the bills
and what not, but I can honestly say that we have never went without anything when tithing off the gross income. I may not get the things I want, but Lord makes sure that we get the things we need.
---phebe6653 on 9/23/08


Monetary tithing is a GROSS highway robbery doctrine cooked up in the fifth and sixth centuries A.D. to catch poor Christians in a NET of ecclesiastical greed. Tithing is NOWHERE practiced or commanded by any NT Christian in the Bible. Tithing was on agricultural produce ONLY. Tithing is part of the Law given BY MOSES from Mt. Sinai to the CHILDREN OF ISRAEL (Lev.27:30-34. Go back to the Law and you get a curse, not a blessing (Gal.3:10). He who gives to the rich shall surely come to want (Prov.22:16).
---Patricia on 9/23/08


Labor not for the things of man, But for the things of God is where our labor should lay and we should lay our burdens upon him and he will address them according to his will...

Society labels me a Indigent(Poor),but God has Enriched me Greatly in Spirit and I/we have what we need and were content with that.

When I give I give to the poor(er), by doing so I have done it unto the Lord Jesus as scripture say's...

Our job is to help gather guest for the Marriage Supper that is being prepared for the Groom(Jesus) as I speak(Type).
You need a Blood bought ticket for this one,
No freebee's, a proper robe & crown is required!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 9/22/08




Ruth ... You have to be careful!!

A shop may take $500 a day, and spend out $250 in purchases, $100 in overheads, and $100 is staff costs, leaving $50 out of which tax takes $10.

That give the proprietor to live on and give from, $40 a day, which is much less than "what comes in"
---alan_of_UK on 9/22/08


Jerry6593 is right. There's no way a business owner can tithe on Gross. We're Family Business Owners,our Gross may run 100s of 1000's of dollars but it's mostly the expensives of the Business. We never make that kind of money to our Net Income. It's only on increase,what is left after you pay for materials,laborers,the overhead,all Business Expenses,not the Gross. I like what the Moderator called tithing,"grace giving". Tithes should be from the heart because we want to further the Kingdom of God and love the Lord. 10% is a guideline,most Christians who give,give more. No business owners can't tithe on Gross if they intend to pay their bills and eat. I know from experience of keeping books for our company,thats the best teacher.
---Darlene_1 on 9/22/08


The 10% rule was established in the Law of Moses and was placed on specific agricultural goods. These were to be given to the tribe of Levi as their inheritance, becasue they had no inheritance of land as the other 11 tribes. Since the tithe was specifically given to the Levites how can a New Testament congregation demand a tithe from Christians? Are modern day pastors claiming to be Levites?
---Ryan_Z on 6/10/07
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Ryan, that is the most Biblical answer on this entire thread. My understanding is that freewill offerings apply today. I challenge anyone who says offerings are above 10% only to support it with scripture!
---obewan on 9/22/08


Todd: I disagree. "Increase" is "profit." It is how much MORE you have after the transaction than you had before it. Those of of who have operated businesses understand that many times the total profit is less than 10%, and with all the expenses met, we would have a net loss if we tithed 10% of the gross. As for taxes, Jesus said "render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and [THEN] unto God that which is God's." That looks to me like God's portion is taken from the net after taxes.
---jerry6593 on 9/22/08


Tithes on 10 per cent of the gross of everything that comes in.

That is very little to give, when you consider you have the other 90 per cent.
---ruth on 9/21/08


Tithing is done on your "increase" according to scriptures (Deut. 14:22,28, 26:12, etc).

So that would mean you pay a tenth (the meaning of the tithe) of whatever you make. I don't think we can say we'll pay tithe on whatever is left after taxes, because then why not just say "after taxes, social security, health insurance, mortgage, car payment, electricity, phone bill..." etc etc.

Taxes are just bills that the government takes directly out of our check to pay those who work for the government (like police officers), to fix our roads, to build an army to protect us, etc etc.

So I'd say we should tithe on our gross. :-)
---Todd1 on 9/21/08


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If you were an Israelite farmer who was prepared to harvest ten acres of wheat just before a swarm of locusts devoured 9/10 of it, it would be ludicrous to give the remaining acre to the Levites (The IRS functions as a swarm of locusts). Nor were the Israelites who were carried into captivity required to tithe off of what they no longer possessed. While I agree that tithing is the starting point for giving, we must remember that it was implemented before the modern tax burden. One may just as well make a case for an Acts 4:32 church in which the believers shared everything in common. Different circumstances call for different actions. Let us always be generous, but the tithe is post-tax.
---Michael on 9/21/08


Joy9988-Me too. I have tithed off the net and the gross. The (net) when I was being selfish and walking in fear, the (gross) when I decided to obey and trust God. Much more blessed tithing off the gross. 1st fruits.
---melann on 4/9/08


Tithes and offerings issue again.This should have been resolved a long time ago. This is why tithing is voluntary and not mandatory for today. Give cheerfully and without expecting anything back and I believe, we are on the right track. This has a topic of debate over many many years. Give from the gross or net? How are you giving from the gross when you don't even have the money from the gross? After taxes,ins etc.. you only have the net. Common sense should tell us it would be the net.Goodness,gracious!
---Robyn on 4/1/08


Neither...no "tithing" at all, but give as the Spirit of God prompts you to. Pray and Obey. We are no longer under the law of tithing.
---Holly4jc on 4/1/08


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The sermons I have heard on this subject teach us to tithe on the "first fruits" of our income. This is based on gross income, not what's left over after taxes and bills.
---Scott on 4/1/08


1-3
The purpose of tithing in the OT was two-fold: 1)Recognize that all one has is from God; and 2)To support the priesthood. As usual, Jesus took OT commands and took them way further: He told the rich young man to sell ALL he had; He praised the widow in the temple for giving "everythingall she had to live on" (Mark12:44). Many people here are stuck on the technicality of giving whether tithing or grace giving instead of focusing on the motivation for it. It is all a test of faith.
---Michel on 6/16/07


2-3
Mal3:10 Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it.
Early Christians gave way more than 10%, whether net or gross - Acts2:44-45 "All the believers [...] Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need." Now THAT was faith at work!
---Michel on 6/16/07


3-3
To all who claim that the principle of tithing is an OT thing only (no more priesthood to sustain), this is counter to the NT and Pauls teaching. 1Cor9:14 "Even so the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should live from the gospel." (even though Paul worked as tentmaker in Corinth). We need to continue to take care of those who dedicate their life to spreading the Gospel, be it through tithing if that is what you believe or generous giving by any name.
---Michel on 6/16/07


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Steveng, You think it's my fault? "You just haven't been around too many people." That ties it up nice and cute doesn't it. Something I'm missing is the problem. You sound like you have lot's to learn.
---jhonny on 6/15/07


jhonny: "Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour." The meaning is the same. Try reading the New Testament, it speaks of all the ten commandments not necessarily the exact wording as in the Old Testament.

"But who cares anyway steveng. Can you find someone keeping that one, I can't." On the contrary, I do care. That's what a true Christians is suppose to do. I know many people who never lie after being born again. You just haven't been around too many people.
---Steveng on 6/12/07


steveng. The commandment does not say thou shalt not lie. The commandment says; Deu 5:20 "Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour." But who cares anyway steveng. Can you find someone keeping that one, I can't.
---jhonny on 6/11/07


Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? Would this suggest there's an inner communication? Is there someone here endowed with this faculty to give the sense of what is being said by "the law"?
---jhonny on 6/11/07


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John "This is called the third year tithe(v28)" Is that correct?
Deu 26:12 "When thou hast made an end of tithing all the tithes of thine increase the third year, [which is] the year of tithing, and hast given [it] unto the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, that they may eat within thy gates, and be filled;"
Deu 14:28 At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay [it] up within thy gates:
---jhonny on 6/11/07


Robyn: The commandment "thou shalt not lie" was written by the finger of God. Don't be so technical. Isn't the Holy Spirit and God one person?
---Steveng on 6/11/07


Tithes were brought to the feast."..and the tithes of the corn, the new wine,.." Deu 16:13 "Thou shalt observe the feast of tabernacles seven days, after that thou hast gathered in thy corn and thy wine:" Point:-be wary. Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law,
---jhonny on 6/11/07


john, you are correct brother. Most people will not hear any truth of what the tithe was and why it was instituted. All they hear is, "Tithe or you will be cursed by God."
---Ryan_Z on 6/11/07


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I think the point that needs to be made is a christian should tithe. It's not just old testament law. Some christians have not even started tithing the 10 percent yet. A person has to start somewhere. Above and beyond is better, but we are required to tithe at least 10 percent of our income. Joy9988
---Joy9988 on 6/11/07


RyanZ. In Deut 14 we see that a person was not only to take care of the Levite but was encouraged to eat the tithe before the Lord and invite his neighbors, the poor, widow, fatherless, and strangers to a big party. This is called the third year tithe(v28). Most people will never hear that taught in their church.
---john on 6/11/07


You want to tithe, have your children circumcized, fine. Keep it holy. Know the truth. Being hoodwinked into the money system by fraudulence(Gk. lies) is not the road to holiness. Jud 1:20 "But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost," All church people tell me, "Oh, God will work it out" and that's the end of it. Without natural affection.
---jhonny on 6/10/07


Steveng: If you are speaking of Annanias and Sapphira's punishment. They did not die because they cheated God of anything. Their punishment came because they lied to the Holy Spirit. I told you before what you needed to do. Study, study and study some more and then you can hang at this blog...You are still all wet from that baptizing question.
---Robyn on 6/10/07


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Steveng, I would love to follow along with you in the Monterey area, it is so beautiful. Unfortuantely I too have a rigerous schedule beginning at 5:30 A.M. and my day does not end until 8:oo P.M. (That is when I get home). Mine is done in the beautiful, and hot, Central Valley of California.
---Ryan_Z on 6/10/07


The 10% rule was established in the Law of Moses and was placed on specific agricultural goods. These were to be given to the tribe of Levi as their inheritance, becasue they had no inheritance of land as the other 11 tribes. Since the tithe was specifically given to the Levites how can a New Testament congregation demand a tithe from Christians? Are modern day pastors claiming to be Levites?
---Ryan_Z on 6/10/07


I have no desire to follow you around, Steveng.
I think you enjoy public exposure far too much as it is.
---Carly on 6/10/07


The first nine chapters of Romans Paul argues circumcision. You might as well replace that with tithing. It's the same problem. Figure it out.
---jhonny on 6/10/07


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Carly: If you know me pretty well, then tell me who I am so I would know, too. :)
---Steveng on 6/9/07


Robyn : Judging me, eh?

And you don't even know me. I invite you (or anyone else for that matter) to visit me for a week in the Monterey Park/Alhambra area in California. Follow along with me from the time I leave the house at 5:30 in the morning until 9:30 in the evening. I come home between 6:30 and eight in the evening - well, most evenings anyway. Any takers?
---Steveng on 6/9/07


I hate to be spoiler but here goes: Those who are still giving the 10%(Law) are ill taught and has very little understanding of the truth of this issue. Preachers love these type followers. As long as people remain ignorant to this, then preachers will continue to live off that income. You go figure. Five hundred members(500)X 10% of their incomes, comes to astronomical figures. This does not include the offerings received 2-3 times per week.
---Robyn on 6/9/07


More: I don't particularly like to hear my pastor telling me and the rest of the church, he wants to get rich. I want to know how? A lot of preachers are leaving these council and board memberships and are going out on their own as independents. They have full control of everything, including the money bags. There are a lot of butchers around now. We have to know the word of God for ourselves.
---Robyn on 6/9/07


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Why do you still live under Old Testiment laws? Give what's in your heart, and with a joyful spirit. Sometimes it's more than 10%.
---John on 6/9/07


I used to think it didn't matter if you tithed on the gross or on the net, but I have changed my mind. It is important to begin tithing, either if it is just on the net. But, if you want to receive fully from God, you have to tithe on the gross. The Lord showed me that his hands were tied to a certain extent from "totally" rebuking the devil from the affairs of my life when I was just tithing on the net. Certain circumstances in my life got better when I begin to tithe on the gross. Joy9988
---Joy9988 on 6/9/07


Steveng, I know you pretty well. You know that. I get the impression your coming here is to launder your soul.
---Carly on 6/8/07


Tithing is one part of the ten judicial ordinances for the purpose of religious joy and gladness within families, in the land God gives to possess, where he placed his name.
In Christ where has God placed His name? Where is the land? Who are the families? Where is the priesthood? Where are the people who receive the decrees for enactment? Tithing is part of the works that everyone rails against. So why the switch. Hypnotized maybe.
---jhonny on 6/8/07


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StevenG: You are hardcore. Not very pleasing as a......whatever you are. Your fruit is rotten.You are all wet and knows nothing.
---Robyn on 6/8/07


You people are such selfish fools! God is not the IRS where you wittle down your wages to try to pay as little tax as possible. All God is asking for is 10% of gross. You are cheating God if you try to deduct everything else before you pay God what He already owns. You should be lucky enough that He ask for so little from His people. Don't be like the husband and wife who cheated God from the sale of their land.
---Steveng on 6/7/07


Moderator (and others who believe the same): Are we under the law or are we under grace. That's a bunch of hogwash. Making excuses to live as a Christian so they don't need to live under the law. It's like reading the whole Bible as symbolic - everyone has their own interpretation. If you take away all the verse numbers and read everything in context, the way they should be read, you will see a big difference in interpreting law and grace.
---Steveng on 6/7/07


Elder: If God asked for anything...who would not give directly to Him? We would be first rate fools not to. Everything belongs to God. We would only be giving back to Him what already belonged to Him. The big problem: people are tired of filling the purses of the already rich and famous(preachers etc..) While the poor and needy go without. Sometimes the givers in the church, go without as well.
---Robyn on 6/7/07


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Give 10% from our gross income, my sister, then anything above that is an offering. God really blesses our socks off when we give above and beyond and continually. Because NOTHING is ours; it ALL belongs to God! Blessings.
---Elsie on 6/7/07


in the UK, the tax rate including compulsory National insurance contributions, amount to about 40% of earnings.
That means if we tithe on the gross, that is actually one-sixth of the actual amount received.
C'est la vie!
---AlanUK_quent5969 on 11/24/06


I give under grace. When I gave under the Law, that is when I tithed, there were many times I did not give cheerfully - I am sure I will lose reward for that. God loves a cheerful giver. I believe I will receive reward for when I cheerfully and willingly give, not of necessity. Giving includes everything that I give, even if it is money to somebody on the street, or clothes to the poor.
---Helen_5378 on 11/23/06


1 of 3 I think we should give 10% of our gross income. I think if we are caught up in the debate of 10%, gross or net we are only trying to rob God, 10% is the Minimum. Surely if you are going to tithe it should be out of love, so if its out of love wouldnt you want to give more?
---Daniel on 11/23/06


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To any one, God does bless people. You're blessed when you awake each morning. You're blessed when you have food to eat and clothes to wear. You're blessed when you have a dry place to sleep. The problem with most people in the U.S. is they have to much and all they want is more. If the people here lived as the christians in Africa, South America, and other third world countries they would have a better view of what a christian is.
---Thomas on 4/13/06


Tony, The only authority for recieving tithes was the Levite preist in Israel, since the preisthood is not in place who are you to pay them to? Give out of a good heart, willingly and that which you are able to give.
---Thomas on 4/13/06


10% of gross ,.Mitch-steve, wow i like your anaylisis
---simba_Nha on 4/13/06


Tony, The only authority for recieving tithes was the Levite preist in Israel, since the preisthood is not in place who are you to pay them to? Give out of a good heart, willingly and that which you are able to give.
---Thomas on 4/13/06


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Do I tithe from my gross or net income/month?
---Tony on 4/13/06


Nothing we give outside of love will benefit us anything. That's lCor. 13. Even if you give 50%, without love you benefit nothing. Titheing was a law and a must in the O.T. There is no benefit to the tithe now because of it's compulsory action. Giving because of love is the N.T. way. If I were to tithe the O.T. way I would say it should be from the increase which would be from the net not the gross. Most Churches that practice titheing would disagree because they wouldnt get much if that where the case.
---john on 3/5/06


I'm not sure how first fruits translates to gross, in that one never sees those "fruits"-- we pay tax for the privilege of working, so kind of equates to the "trees" from which the fruit is grown (if you take it in a more literal sense!) In an absurd situation where we're taxed 99%, are we therefore unable to tithe? Agree with all above who say God checks our hearts and blesses accordingly.
---Mike on 3/5/06


OT tithes were based on the increase ,therefore you wouldn't pay on the gross because it isn't all increase,you don't receive it.This is true especially when in business, a large portion of the gross is for supplies/material,employee wages, and other expenses for the business.Pay on the net.What you actually make.God loves a cheerful giver and if you pray He will lead by the Spirit what to give.NT is about sowing and reaping.What we give freely is returned,pressed down, shaken together, and running over.
---Darlene_1 on 8/30/05


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While it is a reflection of ones love for the Lord to give unto His work; the tithe is basically an OT doctrine not binding upon the Christian. IMO, the tithe is preached in churches today in place of the sale of indulgences - both have the same purpose of exploitation of those that are ignorant.

Moderator - Correct the NT saints practice grace giving not tithing.
---lee on 8/30/05


Neither. The tithing command is O.T., not N.T. Remember my Father's house is a house of prayer, and not a den of thieves. Think how horrible it would be if Jesus did not minister to anyone until they first paid him ten percent, or worse yet, how horrible it would be if Jesus only gave ten percent of himself on the cross.
---Eloy on 8/30/05


the word tithe means 10th its obedience to give tithe and offering.he will supply your needs even if you give all of your pay, like I did once, I couldnt pay my tithe yet alone my bills, so I just gave it all to him and decided I would just store my stuff...money came to me. thousands to be exact. long story, but he wont let you down even if you give it all to him like the widow did, like "I" did. he blessed me back more then I had in the first place.
---jan4876 on 8/30/05


First Fruits. give your best, like abel did. God doesnt need money, he wants to see how much faith you have in his word. his word says he will open up the heavens and pour you out a blessing. Malachi 3:8,Hebrews 7:5 I have no money worries since I started giving offering ( after tithes)
---jan4876 on 8/29/05


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What was the purpose of tithing in the first place? 11 of 12 tribes of Israel were given lands of their own. the 12th tribes was to be the priesthood. They where not given land. That is why Israel was tithing for, to help support the 12th tribe, so they are free to minister to the others. Like church supporting a pastor, so he dedicate his time to the ministery, and not worring about food housing, or clothes. Don't just believe me, study it for yourself.
---geraa7578 on 8/29/05


My question is "When tax is paid .....Is it paid from Gross or from Net. My second question to the person who posted this question is .....If God asked on what basis do you want me to bless you ? On Gross or on Net? That will definitely answer your question as to what basis one is to base their tithe........
---Mitch-Steve on 8/29/05


Old and New Testament talks about tithing. We are to tither and giving offerings back unto God. This is God says that we are held responsible if we rob Him of the tithes and offerings. I know that He blesses, when we do both.
---Betty on 7/5/05


God is more concerned with the spirit of giving, than the technicality of tithing. He wants us to share and nothing more. It teaches us to be selfless, which in turn produces loving Him and others with our whole heart.
---Paula on 7/5/05


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We're supposed to tithe 10% of what we take home, i.e. net.
---Heather on 7/5/05


A certain rich and wise man approached the Lord Jesus Christ and asked what he must do to be saved. Christ's response was to sell all he had, give to the poor and follow him. (KJV)
---geraa7578 on 7/5/05


2 Corinthians 9:7, states God loves a cheerful giver. However tithing is a Jewish commandment. Given to the nation of Israel to do. The reason for this is 11 tribes received an area of land from the God. The 12th tribe was to be the priests for all the other tribes. The 11 tribes provided for the physical needs of the 12th, and the 12th provided the spiritual needs of the 11 tribes.
---geraa7578 on 7/5/05


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