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Some Dislike Of Men Here

A strong misterogyny--that is, hatred of men--exists in many of the blogs here, and even in individual postings on other subjects.

There are many bitter women here who dismiss men who question their assumptions as "not real Christians" (including myself, but I've been called worse).

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The Jesus says in his word if we cant't love the people we see how can we love him whom we have never seen
---betty on 5/24/07


The Jesus says in his word if we cant't love the people we see how can we love him whom we have never seen
---betty on 5/24/07


Steve: Sorry to burst your bubble but we must answer to someone else if we are to be pleasing to God. So you cannot make that type of statement: you answer to no one. We have to answer to our parents(regardless of our age), our boss,supervisors, true pastors and others in authority. God tells us to do so in His Word. If we do not follow His instructions, when the need calls for us to do so, we are not lining up with God's Word and we have to be accountable for that.
---Robyn on 5/23/07


I looked up the word for hatred of men and the correct word is: Misandry. Which has no place in my life or vocabulary.
Christian and hatred of any kind does not go together. If our relationship with Jesus Christ is right we will love others. Regardless of race, color or creed. God is not prejudice. God loves us all---equally-- and we should strive to show love to others. Regardless of the gender. Man was made for woman and vice versa. Peace
---Robyn on 5/23/07


I had assumed I was the only one who was attacked and accused by a woman for questioning the assumptions of female bloggers. Well, I can see I'm not. Some blogger had accused me of attacking women, even though many of my discussions were with men or people who you couldn't tell. She said I hated women and I was a bully, etc. despite my nice responses.
---Okebaram on 5/23/07




Man has dominated woman to her injury. This is not saying that all men have done this but there is a big percentage who has abused women in some form or another i.e. Physcologically. Mentally. Emotionally. Sexually. Physically. This has gone on for centuries alot of crimes pertaining to women have never been reported. Some women have suffered cruel persecution under the tyranny of men because men believe theirselves to be superior to woman.
---anonymous on 5/23/07


I believe the correct term is misandrosy, hatred of men. Yes, it is very prevalent in our dark society today, which is one reason for the epidemic proportions of disrespect, and adultery, and divorce rates. As the enemy of our souls went through the weaker vessel in the garden of Eden, so too he influences the haughty women to destroy what God has made.
---Eloy on 5/23/07


Respect is earned, and not a given.
---Eloy on 5/23/07


The Hand that rocks the cradle rules the world.-Every woman desires the best for what she brings forth; some follow by books & words handed down.. But to imbibe the word of God in the heart of a little one by word action example & love & Patience is supposedly the Right way.The Rcc teaches this & gives a vote of thanks to all Mothers on Mothers day.Girls love to hear Your Daddy's little Girl ask NVB she is a gentle woman as is Beverly.While men must respect womanhood it should be reciprocated.
---Emcee on 5/22/07


I cannot love God and hate His creation. The two does not go together at all. A misnomener. Its not possible. Bitterness and hatred are not the same things. And please speak in terms that everyone can understand without diving for their Webster. I love men. Always have. Always will.
---Robyn on 5/22/07




Let's face it men have ran this planet for along time and it is a mess today because of the evil inventions that come from men. Let's pray that God will have mercy and give us all a second chance and a miracle healing. In Jesus Name. Amen
---anonymous on 5/22/07


Jack, please excuse me if I've ever offended you in any way due to being a man! My Savior is a man!
Men and women are different and often rude things are said.
My hero was my Dad, and I have a husband who is great, and a grown son that I love and admire.I do like to 'get in their heads' and learn how we think differently.
(I tried that with Elder, but he was lost in thought; it was unfamilier territory)
---NVBarbara on 5/22/07


DoryLory::Your 7 para statement shows you are a very gentle tenderhearted woman with a desire to find some one who will feed that desire & believe me there are many out there shy sensetive strong protective awe inspiring men But the flesh & water in the cocoanut to be had, is inside,you have to crack that cocoanut by womanly wiles.
---Emcee on 11/16/06


DoryLory::Your 7 para statement shows you are a very gentle tenderhearted woman with a desire to find some one who will feed that desire & believe me there are many out there shy sensetive strong protective awe inspiring men But the flesh & water in the cocoanut to be had, is inside,you have to crack that cocoanut by womanly wiles.
---Emcee on 11/16/06


Jeanne...if we keep telling men how great they are, we are going to get reputations as manists [as opposed to feminists]...shhh... like they don't already know...good list of masculine qualities...

~rachel~
---Reiter on 11/16/06


I thought it was the other way, are all women bad, Jezebel spirit, pologamy, maybe there is abuse because she didnt submit, I love a divorced woman but can I marry her,lets go back to ancient civilazation when old men married young girls 0 divorce, Jobs wife was a nagger, most women dont like men. and I could go on and on and on!
---Jeanne on 11/15/06


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I love men most my friends are men, great male family members, my old flames I still speak to,my male bosses have always been great.The gals I speak w/love men. Men are strong, funny, brave,most are kind most love women, honor them love their family, loyal to their friend all their lives. They do practical jokes, like to try new things, go places enjoy new things. Dont care what people say or think & "man up" sports figure say Hi Mom, stick up for the weak. I totally enjoy the men in my life.
---Jeanne on 11/15/06


Men are Good...no hatred here...

~rachel~
---Reiter on 11/15/06


I am a FORMER man-hater. Been delivered but I still have some trust issues and fears of relationships. Hey, it takes time so cut us some slack,ok?
---Glenda on 10/20/05


my husband had an affair, I forgave him, i am trying to move on with him. I am not a man hater, I raised three beautiful sons, I am not a man hater, I do believe that men are weaker than women, that is whay they do certain things, but I still love my husband even though he cheated.
---mary on 7/12/05


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, women who are truly christians are not going to be man-haters, or even perceived as such. true humility begins with submission.
---steve on 7/11/05


Christ was male, therefore to love christ I love a male. I just have had few good encounters with men on earth. the ones around where I live do not treat me with respect. I beleive godly men excist, I just haven't had a lot in my life. My family was verbally abusive. I married a man who was not there physically or any other way.I guess I have christ as a model for how people should be but WE ALL fall short.
---laure5469 on 6/30/05


Steve ... welcome back, macho!!
---Alan8869_of_UK on 6/30/05


Pt 1
I believe so many women are unhappy in their marriages because women are relationship orientated. It's a God-given need that compliments their nurturing nature. They watch romantic movies, read romance novels and watch soap operas because they are relational beings. Movie producers and book publishers understand this but few husbands seem to.
---DoryLory on 6/29/05


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Pt 2
Men, on the other hand, have been created with a nature for self-preservation. Little boys play cops and robbers, king-of-the-hill and even as they grow-up are still contantly competing with each other (sports, etc.) because they are born with a conquering nature. They have an inborn desire to overtake and win which is utterly important for the self-preservation of mankind. Unfortunately this instinct is not relationship friendly.
---DoryLory on 6/29/05


Pt 3
It's about "self"-preservation, it's focus is on self & not the giving that's required for a healthy relationship.

Because guys are not (generally) relational, selflessness & being respecful of other people's feelings are mostly learned traits.The frightening thing is, until a guy learns these, he will remain trapped in a realm of selfishness & immaturity concerning relationships. He may look mature & grown-up but inside he will have a tendency to reason like a selfish child.
---DoryLory on 6/29/05


Pt 4
A truth from Scripture (Proverbs 5:7-9), is that the single, most important experience necessary for young men to acquire the characteristics of selflessness and respectfulness comes from abstaining from premarital sex. The male species must learn to conquer his own strongest drive and desire in order to conquer "himself." You see, until he conquers himself, he won't have the ability to put the needs of others before his own.
---DoryLory on 6/29/05


Pt 5
Society today, does not understand how damaging premarital sex is. Guys are designed for strength, they are designed to be the protectors, the ones who bring strength into the relationship. We can see this plainly in their physical bodies. Men have a much higher percentage of muscle mass than women. But it's only with the growth and development of those muscles that the strength comes.
---DoryLory on 6/29/05


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Pt 6
And what does it take to develop those muscles? It's exercise, most especially in the form of resistance. The greater the resistance the greater the strength. Resistance always leads to greater strength. This is true in the physical sense, it is equally true in the sense of developing strong character.
---DoryLory on 6/29/05


Pt 7
A guy acquires selflessness through resistance, through the conquering of his own "self" which may very well be the most challenging conquest of his life. A guy who resists his own greatest desire and need, for a girl's right for respect and honor, is the making of a man of maturity and character who will be capable of nourishing a marital relationship. A husband that is incapable of nurturing a relationship is certain to have a lonely and unhappy wife.
---DoryLory on 6/29/05


cont: The Lord protected me from that nightmare, because my husband was a feminist. He believed I should be educated, and made sure I had a degree and a career that paid adequately. Together we made sure our daughter got her degree and was able to have a solid career. Both of our sons believe that women are equals and should pursue careers they are interested in.
---Madison on 6/28/05


cont: Christians don't look at the facts. 50% of all marriages end in divorce. That means there are a lot of women who MUST support themselves and their children. Many of these women are ill equipped to be in the workforce and are often relegated to jobs which pay little more than minimum wage. Child care costs are through the roof. Dad's support check barely makes a dent in the cost of raising the kids.
---Madison on 6/28/05


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Steve: Thankfully, I am not a victim. I answer to no man, just God.

However, the Christian church does not hold women in high esteem. A lot of parents do not encourage girls to go to college, unless it is to get a degree in stereotypically female professions, like teaching or nursing. The thinking is, why waste money educating a girl when she is going to get married and her husband will support her?
---Madison on 6/28/05


, yes madison, there will always be frustration as long as people are looking to see themselves as victims, and not caring about how much they hurt those whom they label "oppressors".
---steve on 6/28/05


"not real Christians" is a phrase that I have been accused of. I understand your feelings in this.

I wonder if the "hatred of men" is more of a frustration with a dominant male culture that exists in the minds of many people in Christianet, and in some of the more conservative churches today.

No woman would find fault in a man who is humble and in submission to the Lord and the church. Often, women I know find some, not all, Christian men arrogant and domineering.
---Madison on 6/25/05


Actually Alan I have no idea who he is or when or where I'll meet him. All I know is God has someone special for me to share my life with, and eventually we will meet.
---bethie on 6/20/05


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Bethie ... can you share the story as to how you met your future husband?
---Alan_of_U.K. on 6/20/05


PLEASE, all you men who feel women are bitter, look down the list of blogs.
Perhaps women are just more open or needy, but there are VERY few blogs that men have written concerning women troubles. Maybe it would even out if you men would ask for help in your marriage or relationships.
---NV_Barbara on 6/19/05


Well done Nvbarbara, I am single but very happy, and I love my future husband very much, even though I haven't met him yet. I do know though God will provide a great man for me.
---bethie on 6/19/05


Just maybe its the women who have been hurt by men who post here for help. Women who are are happy have nothing to gripe about.

Maybe I'll start a new trend! I'm a woman who loves her husband and he loves me. I have a great son, and many friends. We travel and have fun together. We both serve the Lord and share our marriage with HIM. We are blessed beyond measure and live our life for HIM.
---NVBarbara on 6/19/05


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Lisa, Anyone can see faults in other people. The question I have, can you love them anyway? We are to love one another. Matthew 22:38-40 John 13:34,35 15:12,17 Romans 13:8-10 Galatians 5:14,22 Ephesians 4:2 1Thessatonians 3:12 1John 3:11,23 4:7,8,11,12
---Ulrika on 6/14/05


Lisa ... I do think that a lot of ladies here HAVE been hurt by men.

Why do I say that? ... Because the things they say make me wonder ... "how on earth can they think that about a man?" or "How can they think men are like that?"

And I realise from what they say that somewhere along their life they have been badly treated by some man, and that appals and saddens me.

I pray that sometime they will share real joy with a loving man.
---Alan_of_U.K. on 6/14/05


Why do so many people assume that when women have negative things to say about men its because they've been hurt by men? I totally disagree. I haven't been totally hurt by men but I see a lot of faults in them nonetheless. I see faults in women too (a lot) but I'm not in relationship with them am I? Not in that way anyway. I think as a woman ages she sees more realistically how things are and that's when the complaints start. However it doesnt mean she's been hurt. It means she's experienced.
---lisa on 6/14/05


, i honestly believe that it is the work of one woman using several different names. to her, i would like to ask, "do you know Jesus as your lord and savior?"
---steve on 6/14/05


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Jack, yes, I've noticed it too. These kinds of boards are magnets for trash talk, and attract warped people who feel compelled to tell their side of the story. Forbid that they should bring it up at their church--someone would actually *gasp* point them to Scripture!
---Jesse on 6/14/05


Thanks for your comments.

Frequently I say acerbic and sharp things to get people to think. (Too often even Christians simply react with the expected rhetoric.) As a friend put it, "Comforting the afflicted and afflicting the comfortable."

On THIS issue, though I was particularly concerned--and alas, on 50 words didn't allow me to express myself precisely.

BTW--"misterogynist"--a coinage of another friend I like to use.
---Jack on 6/14/05


Jack, thank you for writing this blog, and pointing out the hatred of men attitude, and calling of you and other men "not real Christians". I am sorry if what I wrote sounded like you deserve that treatment, you don't. It sounds like some of us women need to be more considerate. I believe you are a Christian. Please give your impute on our responses to your blog. In Christ love. Ulrika
---Ulrika on 6/13/05


I believe that there is a person who reads every thing we write. this person does not let the bad stuff to get through. In my case: the male I am upset {NOT HATE} with is MY Ex. I have talked with people who have told me I am not the only person to be married to some one like him {exs are men AND woman} I try to advise people in simular situations that not all dreams come true, not all people are up standing citizens. MY ex would not go to counseling, he turned back on his family.
---laure5469 on 6/13/05


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My dictionary goes - mister, mistflower, misthink, mistime

Sometimes what I see are women & men who have been hurt by the opposite gender - lack of family support, divorce, adultery, abuse, etc.

Hurt often rebounds for awhile & causes confusion & anger.
Hurt - 1. to physically hurt someone
2. to cause distress, mental suffering, damage to reputation, soreness.

After hurt comes hurtle.

Possible cause & cure - Galatians 5:7-26 about running a hurtle race by walking
---barbara67 on 6/13/05


well there could be a number of reasons maybe cause of the parents but unlikely. my guess is bad relationship(s)with another christian.
---Jean on 6/12/05


If someone said to you or anyone else they are not real christians, they need to be careful not to judge others. Luke 6:37
---Ulrika on 6/12/05


nvBarb, yea, i know. i'm glad your back bloggin' with us again.
hugs, Eloy.
---Eloy on 6/12/05


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actually "misandry" is the proper term for the hatred of men
---BeckyH on 6/12/05


Isn't that just like a man, to correct the spelling of a blogger! Shame, shame! (You know I'm messing with you don't you Eloy?) We have so many good men on the blogs, I've not noticed so much of this bashing you guys speak of.
---NVBarbara on 6/12/05


I haven't noticed male bashing here, but I agree with Alan about "Real Christian" statements. If I were a new Christian reading the blogs here, I might tend to be scared off from Christianity. As far as male bashing, in the U.S. it has become prevalent. I am a mother of 3 sons, and am saddened by the portrayal of men as idiots on television and other media. In an effort to give women rights, men and boys were made to be the enemy. We're all worse off now, as far as I can see.
---Tanya on 6/12/05


In my previous post, I just wrote possibilities of reasons why women seem or are bitter. I hope I don't come across as hating men, if so that is something I need to pray about. I think you are very intelligent( hard to understand in some posts), and caring (in some posts). It is not good to generalize. Not all men are bad and not all women hate men, but there are some of each.
---Ulrika on 6/12/05


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Maybe it has something to do with how they were raised. If the mother talks bad about their father to the children, which is wrong. Or if some woman had a bad experience with a man, when she was growing up or in when an adult. These are just possibilities. Do you dismiss lightly what they consider serious problems, or make it sound like it is their fault(somethimgs it is). Maybe it has to do with your own attitude.
---Ulrika on 6/12/05


yes, i've noticed some man-bashing posts too, i'm quite familiar with it among the worldlings, but it is rather sad to see it creeping into the christian culture also. i believe the proper word is "misandrosy" for hatred of men.
---Eloy on 6/12/05


Jack ... maybe it is just that your opinions have been challenged mainly by women? Mine have been challenged by both men and women.

I do see a problem here in that many are so fervent in their beliefs that they do not accept that other interpretations of the bible could be valid. We thus get comments such as "Any real Christian knows ... "

That is not helpful.
---Alan_of_U.K. on 6/12/05


Perhaps you could give us some examples Jack as I am confused. I don't recognise what you are saying. There will obviously be negative comments now and again but I've not noticed anything particularly anti-men.
---Paul_James on 6/12/05


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Dear Jack: I have not noticed that there is a sexist way of looking at things here. God is Spirit and we should see each other as He does. He made male and female; He loves both genders since He made all of us. Each contributes to the other. This does not mean that the culture does not try to make one or the other more important! If so, we had better take another look.
---Elsie on 6/12/05


Personally, I don't think I've ever seen anything like that here. Sometimes I think there is a very definite feeling that women are 2nd class citizens here, but I haven't seen anything against men.
---Ann5758 on 6/11/05


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