You all have it wrong so far.
Satan is the anti christ as 1 john tells us Christ refers to Daniel because Satan rules the churches and Judgment start there.There is no earthy kingdom or person. Satan is spirit. read rev 3 that church is dead and its a warning to churches now. All churches teach dotrines of men now.Daniel and Rev, are opened but only to those who are true believers |
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---dan on 5/10/08 |
The Book of Revelation is about the letters to 7 churches and the 21 judgements as well as descriptions of the main players in the Tribulation - the Great Whore, the Antichrist, False Prophet,Two Witnesses,10 kings....
The Great Whore is a false religion - probably a one-world faith |
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---Allison on 5/9/08 |
If your Grandfather is raised from the Dead as all will be then yes He will see JESUS come in the clouds. So the resurrection of the dead comes before the return of JESUS enabling all to see Him come.
Since the resurrection has not happened then the second coming is still future. |
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---Samue on 5/7/08 |
You could! If you got you some Bible tools. Make Satan angry get you some. |
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---catherine on 5/7/08 |
Your logic is flawed here. Even if he comes in the future, my dead grandfather will not have seen him come from clouds. Therefore, it is understood that John meant every eye during that time which included the eyes of those who pierced him. |
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---Reuben on 5/6/08 |
Howdy Reuban
You are mistaken. We are all Christian brothers since we are all Born again children of GOD.
Some of the events of Revelation apply to them some to us. The seven letters to the churches had direct meaning to those churches but people like the ones mentioned live in all churches.
Since not every Eye has seen JESUS come that cannot have happened yet. So it must be future. I am a historical Premillinealist. You sound like a amillineal Preterist. Am I correct? |
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---Samuel on 5/6/08 |
John also says in Revelation 1:9 that "I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation...." If Revelation talks about the end of the world, then John can't be our companion, can he? But he was a companion to the church back then. Revelation 1:7 says "Behold, he cometh with clouds, and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him...." This is not talking about the end of the world if those who pierced him shall see him. |
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---Reuben on 5/5/08 |
Revalation chapter 1 states these events will "shortly come to pass" and the "time is at hand," therefore we know revelation is not talking about the end of the world. The book is called The Revelation of Jesus Christ, and yet matthew 24:36 says "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my father only." Here Jesus admits only his father knows the time of his coming, therefore the Revelation of Jesus Christ cannot be about the end of the world |
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---Reuben on 5/5/08 |
Sherry is mostly correct.Parts of the Revelation happen around70A.D. The destruction of the Temple.Other parts are imaging from The Holy Mass/cerebrated daily as Jesus demanded at the Last Supper.
Jesus returns once.(Not,1and1/2)as a drive through to pick up the Save. NO, only once. If you are living during this time you will have to endure until Jesus comes.
RCC is around during the time of the destruction of the temple.
Revelation is the completed explanation of God's Salvation Plan. |
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---Nicole on 4/27/08 |
If we trust Jesus we stay safe in his arms. We won't have to worry about any evil things. |
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---SusieQ on 4/26/08 |
Introduction to Revelation: It is the only prophetical book in the new testament. [contrast to 17 in the old testament] The only book which begins by promising a special blessing on those who study it, and ends by promising special curse on those who add ot take away from it.>>>Part 2>4-5 Worship of the Lamb invited. Part 3.5-19 Wrath of the Lamb Invoked. Part 4.>20: 1-15. Reign of the Lamb instituted. Part 5.>21-22 Wife of the Lamb introduced. |
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---catherine on 4/26/08 |
That book starts out with the five words "the revelation of Jesus Christ". In other words, that book is about the unveiling of Jesus Christ in His body. Not a scary thing at all really. I could give you some examples of the redemptive view of that book. If you are interested, please contact me through my profile linda9974. My personal e-mail address in in there. |
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---Linda_Smith on 4/25/08 |
Catholics didnt exist when it was written, it wasnt against them. Geesh...
---Sherry on 8/23/07
If catholics did not exist - how does the RCC get papal succession from Peter?
Sherry - Rev is a prophetic book - past-present-future
it is possible to glean much from it for today - I like to look at how Christ judges the churches - I personalize it (though not not its intent its good to see what Jesus thinks is important).
No one fully grasps Rev. - thanks - I don't eithe |
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---Andrea on 8/25/07 |
Sherry:
I already heard it all before, I know the RCC teaches that everything in Revalation has already taken place and that it is not a credible book, and probably never should have been part of the Bible.
Again I have been in the system for the majority of my life and I have heard it all before. |
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---Marcia on 8/23/07 |
Sherry:
Keep searching:
I would challenge you to lean not on your own understanding but pray for the Holy Spirit to guide you when it comes to the WORD of GOD. However all this is not going to help if your not saved, so I'll pray for your Salvation Sherry. |
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---Marcia on 8/23/07 |
Marcia. Rev. was written approx 95C.E. by an unknown but probable follower of John. The Beast was Rome, it has nothing to do with today. Catholics didnt exist when it was written, it wasnt against them. Geesh... |
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---Sherry on 8/23/07 |
Good answer Steveng: I also want to add that God will Honor you Sue in your quest to understand the book of Revalation, don't give up- God has spoken if anyone ask for wisdom he will give it to them. Seek wisdom, seek knowledge, and seek understanding. Look to God he will illuminate your understanding. |
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---Marcia on 8/23/07 |
Sue, don't you worry your little heart about Revelation. As you read these posts, everyone has an opinion. Just be AWARE of the simple prohesies concerning the end-times like Matthew 24, etc. As long as you do the two commandments Jesus spoke of in the NT and God spoke of in the OT you are guaranteed a place in heaven. Trust God and pray that you and your family and friends are worthy enough to the protection of God during the tribulation.
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---Steveng on 8/22/07 |
Sherry: of course you would say that your a Catholic. Catholic have never been able to accept the book of revalation because they are one of the main character in this prophecy.
The Seven Heads represent seven Nations, the dragon always represent Satan. You must know your history and have unwaviering faith to understand the book of Revalation. |
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---Marcia on 8/22/07 |
Revelations probably shouldnt have been included in the canon. It refers to the persecution of Rome. Fundies drag all sorts of scripture from dozens of books together and claim you can figure out God's plan. There are as many explanations as their are televangelists. |
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---Sherry on 8/22/07 |
John wrote Revelation to a group of people at a certain era in time that would have understood the apocolyptic style of writing.
Get a copy of Dr. Scott Hahn's "The Lamb's Supper" if you want a more clear understanding of Revelation. |
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---Sheila on 8/21/07 |
Read Daniel too - it will help. The last time there was a one-world ruler, was during the time of Rome (the 7 hills). The rulers of this world have been a powerful force that persecuted God's people throughout history. The wounded head that comes to life, might be referring to the returning of a one-world ruler. |
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---Debby3588 on 8/21/07 |
Sue, to understand Revelation, you have to first understand Daniel. And remember to pray for understanding as you study. A love of truth is also needed as 2 Thess 2 says that those who don't have a love of Truth will be under a strong delusion. Be prepared to have your preconceived ideas challenged. |
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---robin8683 on 8/21/07 |
A working knowledge of the Tabernacle of Moses and the Feasts of the Lord is helpful. Also, the only way to understand the book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ is redemptively, that is, through an undestanding of the person and work of Christ. Christ and Him crucified is woven throughout every book of the Bible, including Revelation. |
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---Linda_Smith on 8/20/07 |
Seven Is A Portion And Theme Throughout Scripture. The One Whom Moves Throughout These Seven Is God Whom Created The Seven As A Service Used For Seeing Hearing Smelling Speaking & Eating .... The Head Of The Assembly Is Seven As In The Head Of God's Form Is Seven .... 2 Eyes 2 Ears 2 Nostrils And One Mouth = 7, Whom Rule Over 5, 2 Breasts One Navel One Urinary One Anal......Together The 7 + 5 = The 12 Gates Into God's Heavenly Body, The Body You Are Dwelling In Thank God .......IEOUA |
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---IEOUA on 7/9/05 |
Peter knew who Jesus was but not what He came to do. Knowing what Jesus came to do is just as important as knowing who Jesus is. It is His work that got rid of who we were in Adam. If you don't know that, you will function the rest of your life believing you are a sinner...and what you believe drastically effects your conviction, your conversation, and your conduct. What you don't believe He did, you will try to do yourself....like Judas. |
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---Linda_Smith on 6/25/05 |
When Peter said, "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God", Jesus told him that flesh and blood had not revealed this to him but His Father in heaven. Just moments after that, Jesus begins to tell them that He was going to be delivered into the hands of sinful men, die, and be raised the third day. Peter said, "It can't be so" and Jesus said to him whom He had just called a rock, "Get thee behind me Satan for you know not the things of God." |
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---Linda_Smith on 6/25/05 |
That would be ALMIGHTY GOD you are speaking of there, right Rebecca? He has, in Christ, already defeated the devil and he has only as much power as the BELIEVER will allow him. The devil is defeated and we are to enforce that defeat. |
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---Linda_Smith on 6/25/05 |
Christians who believe that are offended by the message of grace in its purest form because it removes that "flesh thinking" and living in own strength. To hear the things of God, we must be willing to lay aside what we have heard all our lives if what we have heard all our lives is not grounded in the person and work of Christ. You will never grow further than your desire to truly know God's heart concerning who His Son is and what His Son did on behalf of humanity. |
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---Linda_Smith on 6/25/05 |
We were removed from Egypt by the death of the Lamb. However, we still have some Egyptian thinking that needs removing (the renewing of the mind) and the only things those Egyptian sorcerers (which represent the thoughts of the carnal mind) responded to were the signs and wonders of the plagues. I mean, one who is still functioning out of an old covenant mindset is still living with the "if I do this, God will do that" mentality (by debt, not by grace). |
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---Linda_Smith on 6/25/05 |
Linda, how can all these horses signifty the work of Jesus? Famine, War, when did Jesus do these kinds of work? I may not understand some parts of the bible, but this I do understand. If you would read in ch 8 it tells about the great plagues, ch 9 tells of Satan having the key to the bottomless pit. Meaning satan has the power to do whatever he wants, to whomever he wants, and God won't stop him, he is allowing him to do such things. I am a simple person, please read carefully with a spiritual mind. |
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---Rebecca_D on 6/25/05 |
That white horse signifies Jesus' earth walk of holiness. The bow signifies the covenant and the crown he was given was a crown of thorns. He walked above death in His earth walk and He conquered death in His resurrection. All of those horses signify some aspect of the work of Jesus, not the antichrist. |
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---Linda_Smith on 6/24/05 |
I am glad you understand what is being written. I understand the bigger part of it. But I think what my problem is not the understanding but the "seeing" part of it. I know that I will be in heaven when God's wrath will take place, I just can't grasp the "seeing" part of it. Do I make sense? One book I do have trouble on is Proverbs. Maybe it is my blonde hair? Ha! |
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---Rebecca_D on 6/24/05 |
Elder, could you do the outline here on this 'blog'? That would be awesome and I'd really appreciate it! I need all the help I can get.
luv,
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---sue on 6/24/05 |
Rebecca_D I have already told you that people come out of the 3 hr lesson with a working knowledge of the Book.
The two churches I did this in last year learned. People that don't learn are normally not being taught.
I have been doing this in Churches for years.
For instance do you know how many revelations are in the book? There is only one.
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---Elder on 6/24/05 |
Cond #2-->
Do you know what it is?
It is the revealing of Jesus Christ as Almighty God?
The Book tells us that "These things must shortly come to pass" before that is completed.
There is a rider on a white horse in chapter 6 that people mistake for Christ yet he is antichrist.
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---Elder on 6/24/05 |
Cond #3--->
That is how simple this book is. Sign up for penpal. I can tell you how to have this done in your church no matter where it is.
Because you don't understand doesn't mean it can't be done. I do not teach 6 year olds on a 50 year old level nor the other way around. If you heard the presentation you would understand so much you would also say is an easy book.
There is much good materiel available to train you. I'll share an outline with you here if you want it to help you. |
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---Elder on 6/24/05 |
I don't have penpal, to contact you. The bigger question is how many people understand what you taught? People learn on different levels. Just because you have a chart, and paper hand outs that doesn't mean people understand. I think because they can't grasp of what is going to take place, their carnal mind won't let the spiritual mind take charge to understand. |
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---Rebecca_D on 6/24/05 |
Rebecca_D The Book can be taught in that time. I do it. I use charts, graphs and handouts and go through the entire Book.
Revelation is a simple book to understand when you place the events in the proper order.
John was a 90 year old man seeing things that had never been described or seen before.
Contact me at elder2291 and I'll explain more to you. |
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---Elder on 6/23/05 |
Revelation 1:1-3 ..... 3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it: for the time is near.
With a promise like the above I wanted to read Revelation. A Study bibe(NIV - New International Version Study Bible) helps. And as some have suggested, read some and then read other parts of the Bible until they all fit together. |
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---barbara67 on 6/22/05 |
I don't see how the entire book can be taught in 3 hours. In my sunday school class we have been on it for 3 months. 1 1/2 of teaching. Someone maybe able to teach it for 3 hours, but does anyone understand what has been taught? If not then it will take more than 3 hours of teaching. |
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---Rebecca_D on 6/22/05 |
If you will contact me at elder2291 I will suggest the best and most simple books on the Revelation written with the best understanding I ever read. I always suggest these books to anyone seeking.
Remember Revelation is NOT a closed book as some think and there is only ONE revelation in the book.
This entire Book can be taught in about three hours with the student leaving with a working understanding of what is going on. |
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---Elder on 6/22/05 |
First, off there is no "s" in Revelation.
Next, its is a symbolic and allegorical book with many figures and metaphors and symbols used elsewhere in the Bible.
If you find Revelation puzzling--and many do--leave it alone and concentrate on another part of the Bible, such as the Holy Gospels. |
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---Jack on 6/22/05 |
Pier I will gladly send you my address, as I do want to understand this book of our Bible. Where is your email address at? |
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---sue on 6/22/05 |
Those of Babylon that were redeemed followed through Purification, The Lamb ...960 Hours, 40 days/40 Nights ...960 Divided by 666 = 144~, The Priesthood ... Then many rose into Heaven as the LoinCutting was no more being lead by a child & saved in Childbirth ...Heaven & Earth Is Made Anew ...Thank God Who Has Opened Scriptures And Released Captives Bringing Justice To Earth Dismissing Evil And Redeeming God's People From Their Oppressors & Healing The Nations From Their Iniquities ...IEOUA |
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---IEOUA on 6/22/05 |
Revelation is as the LAST as Genesis Is As The FIRST within the bible library .... Consider the snake, eve & adam in Genesis to be the Dragon, False Prophet & Abomination In Revelation. The Snakedragon lead God's people into cutting in the body's middle.....FalseprophetEve believed & AbominationAdam was the result .... Babylon was the city built on Bob-A-Loin, the slaying of the people's brothers in God, as in Kain's City built on cutting Able....IEOUA |
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---IEOUA on 6/22/05 |
Sue:
I have come across a very easy study guide for the study of Daniel and Revelation. If you send me your adress by E-mail I will send you copy of it. I am sure it will help you and I am very happy that you want to understand it. It will make sense of a lot of last day events for you. |
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---Pierr7958 on 6/21/05 |
This is one book that one's mind can't understand. It takes the spirit to make an understanding. We are studying this in Sunday School and at times is confusing. The dragon means Satan, he drew 1/3 part of the angels (stars) and cast them onto earth with him. Snakes represent enemy. It is speaking metaphorically. |
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---Rebecca_D on 6/21/05 |
A Christian bookstore will have books that will give you detailed explanations about all the symbolism in the book of Revelation. |
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---DoryLory on 6/21/05 |
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