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Why Don't I Speak In Tougues

Why don't I get filled with the Holy spirit and speak in tongues like other Christians do?

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Our focus is to be Christ, He gave us the gift of the Holy Spirit -to ALL that believe.
The GIFT is the Holy Spirit - one of the many manifestations of the Spirit is "different kinds of languages".

One of evidences of the presence of the Holy Spirit is what we call 'tongues' it maybe a lesser gift - but any gift from God is a good gift.
85 words does not give space for the whys ICor 12-14
your not a lesser Christian if you don't speak in tongues
---Andrea on 8/15/07


Eloy ... the fact that Pontius can also be translated as Pontiff does not mean he was the first Pope. Judas betrayed Jesus, and there was another disciple named Judas... does that make them the same person, or make the second Judas a traitor? There have been thousands of Germans named Adolf, both before and after Hitler ... do you blame them for his misdeeds?
---alan_of_uK on 8/15/07


Again, Gift of Tongues is being lumped together as though it was The Evidence of Tongues,they are two different things. One receives Gift of the Baptism of Holy Ghost first with Evidence of Tongues. Then Gift of Tongues for Body Ministry may or may not be given. I know it's true from own experience. I had evidence of tongues for about 20 years before I received the Gift of Tongues for Ministering to the Body-Church. Gift of HG with evidence of Tongues is for all,Gift of Tongues given as God chooses.
---Darlene_1 on 4/3/06


Rebacca,All i can say is read John 10 what Jesus is saying if we don't come by his plan that he has set up for us .we are not going to make it. He gave Peter the keys to the Kingdom which is the plan of salvation Read Acts'2-37 2-38 Jesus died to save us The book of acts read it all the way threw this book is to tell us how to get into his church then the
other books all the way to Rev.tells us how to live for him He said he was coming for a hurch that is called by his name .
---Betty on 4/3/06


Jeffery i was saying the samething or rather trying to explain and didn't very well is when God comes in we start speaking in another tongue as they did on the day of pentacost they were not speaking in there native tongue because you cannot speak in English or what ever your native tongue is and another tongue at the same time and i was meaning we are the temple of god '
in other words he takes up redidence in us that is mispelled Thank you for your input
---Betty on 4/3/06




Matabekki, if you desire the baptism of the Holy Ghost, seek Jesus. Ask and you will receive. You receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost the same way you received Christ, by faith.
---Linda on 3/14/06


Betty; that is not so. Not all will have this gift of speaking in tongues. I am a born again christian and I don't speak in tongues. So therefore you telling someone that it will happen just wait on the Lord, would be wrong.
---Rebecca_D on 3/14/06


Bruce: Perhaps I was imprecise, and "influenced" may be a better word. I liken it to a cold. It is usually in the sinus area that gets stuffy, but the other areas of the body work OK.

Many Christians have areas that they have not given over to the Lord; they cling to past abuses, or sin patterns. That is the open door. Thus the Christian is held back, and many times enticed in the areas of weakness.

BTW, you are Dispensational, right?
---John_T on 3/14/06


Chapter and verse, Betty. Where does the Bible say the spirit speaks through anyone? That would be possession and only devil spirits possess people!

In Acts 2:4 (and everywhere else), THEY did the speaking as the spirit gave them utterance. The spirit gave them the words but THEY spoke them forth. THEY were in control of their mouths. And the instructions in 1 Cor 14 on how to use the manifestations in the church emphasize that.
---Jeffrey on 3/14/06


John T,
I have no problem with the concept of demonic possession. I have been involved in excorcism before. My problem is with the way people say Christians can be possessed or indwelt by demons.

In keeping with God's nature as a jealous God, I see him as a jealous occupant who would not allow any other power to reside in his temple. If I, the temple, choose to allow another occupant, He would vacate and that leaves me in a lost (backslidden) conditon.
---Bruce5656 on 3/14/06




Bruce(cont) Thus, I sought other godly people. The last thing I wanted to be was a loose cannon, or a "charismaniac".

Since Jesus dealt with unseen forces of darkness, we also deal with them. Jesus conversed with them, and cast them out. And if he said that we are able to do "greater things", then it is most likely that our ministry on Earth will be similar in nature, but lesser in degree than Jesus' ministry.
---John_T on 3/14/06


Bruce(cont) For me, too many pastoral experiences did not jive with Burkoff, so I sought other books, our profs when we graduate.

Because I believe that the gifts are still active, your gifts may not be like my gifts. One of my gifts in in the prophetic area, and yours may not be that one. Thus it is difficlut for some to understand the gifts of others. But not understanding a gift does not mean that the gift is invalid.
---John_T on 3/14/06


Bruce, I have a MDiv from an evangelical seminary, so like you, I am also trained in systematic theology.

We both know that "What saith Scripture?" is in many cases conditioned through hermeneutics. I suspect you may be Dispensational. That is why I included Unger's book published by Moody in the short bibliography.
---John_T on 3/14/06


PART ONE:
John T,
I appreciate what you are saying about reading other authors. My formal training is in theology and understand what people say.

"What sayeth the scripture" is rule I go by. There are hundreds of books written every year on topics that are decidely unscriptural and yet presented as spiritual fact, with "scriptual support".

We must not let experience or the wisdom of men be our guide over the word of God.
---Bruce5656 on 3/14/06


PART TWO:
As for the Screwtape Letters, well, that is a work of pure fiction; an allegory, based on Lewis's tremendous imagination and in no way representative of reality other in the general sense of the strugle between good and evil. If it represents reality, Lewis must have gotten his revelation independent of the Bible.
---Bruce5656 on 3/14/06


Bruce:
Here is another book that I forgot to mention:
The Screwtape Letters by CS Lewis

Yes, it is a work of fiction, not a textbook. Nevertheless it is an enjoyable eye opener.
---John_T on 3/14/06


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Don't worry about speaking in tongues when you have repented and the Holy Ghost comes in
the spirt will pray threw you in other words
you will speak in tongues as they did on the day of Pentecost.
---betty on 3/13/06


Jeffrey,
Eyeah. Sorry about that.
---Bruce5656 on 3/13/06


Darlene, I am wondering why you are so defensive to the point of mischaracterizing what I wrote. I can't help what you inferred, but come on. All are deceivers? All who have tongues can't be trusted? No one should interpret? Please. I merely stated that I would carefully scrutinize. The NT is replete with descriptions and warnings of false teachers, false prophets, phonies creeping in unawares to deceive and destroy.
---ralph7477 on 3/13/06


Bruce, did you misunderstand me? Let me state it more clearly.

The person speaking in tongues does not understand what he's saying. It may be a language of men, in which case someone could understand him (Acts 2). Or it may be a language of angels (1 Cor 13:1), which no one could understand. Most of the time it's not understood by anyone present.

Isn't our only disagreement how to spell my name?
---Jeffrey on 3/13/06


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moderator, likewise, Thanks.
---Eloy on 3/13/06


Bruce I understand your position completely. Here are 7books by major authors, by MAJOR pubs.

Warfare Prayer, C. Peter Wagner , Regal Books
What Demons can do to Saints Merill Unger, Moody Press
Modern Demon Possession, MacMillian, Christian Publications, Inc
The Battle for the Mind, LaHay, Revell
The Deliverance Ministry, Birch, Horizon House
Christian Counseling and Occultism, Koch. Kregel
Between Christ and Satan. Koch, Kregel

Borrow and read them, don't fear them.
---John_T on 3/13/06


John T.
I know where you are coming from. I also have first hand experience with this "evil spiritural activity". People will think you "are off the wall" because they have never experienced it. I, like yourself would not ever be considered a "fanatic". Especially at that time in my life.
---Fred_S. on 3/13/06


Jeffery,
Also please note I Cor 13:1 "Though I speak with the tongues of MEN and of angels..." There would be nothing exceptional with speaking the "tongues of men" if it were learned languages.
---Bruce5656 on 3/13/06


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PART ONE:
Jeffery,
Being moved upon by the Holy Spirit to speak in an earthly language is no different. I have heard various testimonies of persons being saved because they heard someone praising God in a language they had never learned but the hearer knew. In one case it was two women singng in unison in French. Neither of them knew French.
---Bruce5656 on 3/13/06


PART TWO:
In another case, I had one of our missionaries tell me of the witch doctor of an African village being saved and praising God in English (which he did not know) expressing theological concepts that he had never learned.
---Bruce5656 on 3/13/06


Ralph, of course caution ,using the Word of God and trying the spirits in operation,is Biblical, but I said the "manner" of your caution. You are judging that no one should interpret what the Holy Ghost gives them in tongues, and I am just saying it is Biblical to do that and gave verses to show you. What you give the impression of saying is that all Christians who the HG moves in tongues can't be trusted. Your "manner" of caution lumps all together, that all are deceivers.
---Darlene_1 on 3/13/06


John T
I respectfuly suggest that if you find a "christian" with an evil spririt in residence, what you have is a person who used to be a Christian and is in a backslidden state. Not a Christian at all. Scripture must be our guide, not "experience" and there is no scriptural precedent for demon possesed (or in residence) Christians.
---Bruce5656 on 3/13/06


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Paulie, if that means what you say, then how is it that people understood them when they spoke in tongues in Acts 2?

Notice that 1 Cor 14:2 doesn't say, "no man understands it." It says, "no man understands" and the translators added the word 'him' and even put it in italics to show that it was added.

1 Cor 14:2:
For he that speaketh in an {unknown} tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth {him}; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
---Jeffrey on 3/13/06


Matabbeki-mudenda;IF you desire, Jesus WILL fill YOU:and you will know it..PRAISE Him ++audibly, with all your heart, repent of all your sins, thank Him for what He HAS done.Jesus will fill an empty vessell, you WILL know when He has filled you with His Spirit..I will also pray for you..blessings to you, from Him.
---Karin on 3/13/06


Bruce: I have no Scripture to back up what experience taught first hand, nor do I find any to refute it.
IMO the difference is in degree.
I saw how a Christian woman through past sexual sins, allowed an open door, and threatened the present ministry of her and her husband. Other Christians in the room saw it, also.

BTW I am not fanatical about these things, nor "charismaniacal"; if you were in my church, I would be the last person you would suspect who has experience inthat area.
---John_T on 3/12/06


moderator, If you consider my words as play, then you are mistaken. I don't play.

Moderator - I can't remember what was said as I can't see it on this screen. I just want you and Alan to get along in a respectful manner even if you both sharply disagree at times. Thanks.
---Eloy on 3/12/06


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Elder, I had the same thought in the back of my mind. If somebody is interpreting their own utterance, why not just come out and say it in the first place? But I guess as Darlene says, I am not looking at a spiritual move with spiritual eyes or something to that effect, and it is not biblical to be cautious. Caution is not biblical?...whatever.
---ralph7477 on 3/12/06


Ralph,sorry if I didn't make myself clear . The mistake was that a person who gives tongues shouldn't interpret tongues due to possible mischief. When you look at a Spiritual Move of God with secular eyes you only see man ,not saying you aren't a Christian,but until you look at the Spiritual with Spiritual Eyes you can't understand God is in control,not man. Your manner of cautioness isn't Biblical because tongues/interpretation is put in order by God. Try the Spirits but don't deny God.
---Darlene_1 on 3/12/06


Jack,
"Bruce5656, I have with my OWN EYES and EARS seen people at Evangel Temple in Houston, Tx (Assemblies of God, home of the Happy Hunters) teach how to speak in tongues in 1975."

My guide is scripture, not the excesses/abuses of others.
---Bruce5656 on 3/12/06


John T,
What is the distinction between "took residence" and "possessed?"

Come the rapture, what happens to the person in whom a demon has taken residence?

Is the Holy Spirit still in residence in the same person?
---Bruce5656 on 3/12/06


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Eloy ... thanks for the "dis" definition. Never heard it over here in the UK, and it's not in my dictionary. All it says is that it is a prefix to another word. One to remember for the future!
---alan_of_uK on 3/12/06


"dis" is a common colloquial word. A Verb meaning 1. to down, or put down a person; degrade; denigrate; condemn; thumb down. 2. discard; cast off; put at a distance. And it is a Noun meaning 1. one who is disagreeable; disobedient, dissenter, condemned. People in the flesh are notorious for dissing others, but a christian should not be a dissing, nor should they be dissing one another. God bless you Alan, I know you have a heart for the lost.

Moderator - Eloy, I have asked Alan to play nice in the sandbox publicly and now I will ask you to play nice also. Thanks.
---Eloy on 3/12/06


Bruce: Many sides are taken in demons & Christians issue. From exorcisms, I observed Christians influenced to do things through demonic activity because they left open a "back door", and the demons took residence.

On the other hand, I have never seen a Christian posessed by demons. My theology once said as you say; experience taught me otherwise.

BTW Christ was victorious in every one.
---John_T on 3/12/06


Ralph dilemmas always arise in this tongues issues.
If a speaker is also an interpreter then why would they not just speak the Word of God with boldness as Paul said?
Does this bring attention to the speaker or to God?
---Elder on 3/12/06


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Darlene, exactly where was the mistake in what I wrote? I never stated that a person could not have more than one gift. I did express that I would have a cautiousness about somebody who claims to have the interpretation to an unknown tongue which he speaks. After all, we are simply taking people at their word. As you are aware, anybody can say anything. And they do.
---ralph7477 on 3/12/06


Ralph 7477, here are verses showing you are mistaken, one who gives tongues told to interpret. 1 Corinthians 14:5 -speaketh with tongues,except "he" interpret-. 1Corinthians 14:13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that "he" may intrepret. God doesn't give only one gift to each person,He gives many Gifts to a person He finds willing/receptive to His empowerment/move through them. The person doesn't intrepret but the Holy Ghost moving through them.
---Darlene_1 on 3/12/06


I think I see what you say, Eloy, that the Roman Catholic is the true successor to the pre-Christ Pagan religions, because the RCC incorporated so many of the old pagan practices and beliefs into its own, which was a surrender of principle in order to drag the paganists into the church to increase its position of dominance.
I won't take up an argument about that, although I think it is an extreme interpretation of what happened.
By the way, I am glad the job is going OK
---alan_of_uK on 3/12/06


I would be very leary of anybody who says that they have the gift of tongues and also the gift of interpretation to explain what they just uttered. I have seen this stated from more than one person over the past day or so. The bible says to one tongues is given, to another interpretation. If there is nobody to interpret, keep silent. Seems to me that one individual interpreting his own utterance could potentially lead to much mischief.
---ralph7477 on 3/12/06


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Eloy ... I do not know what you mean by "dis my words" ... I have never heard the phrase before, or the word "dis". Can you explain it?

Moderator - Means you invalidate what he says. However, invalidation should be done with scripture only if it is even neccessary to do so.
---alan_of_uK on 3/12/06


alan of U.K., you like to push the envelope, but take care not to push it over the line that Jesus drew in the sand, for there is a standard, and not all will go to heaven. I enjoy leading people into righteousness and salvation, but when certain unsaved persons continually rack the scriptures and dis my words, they are only doing a dis-service, and I will turn away from such to continue ministering to others. My job? Thanks Alan for asking. It is going as expected for now.
---Eloy on 3/11/06


John T
First, I catagoricly reject the notion that a Christian can be possessed or influenced by a demon in the manner you suggest. I find no scriptural support or precedent for that.

Rather, we are told "greater is he that is in you than he that is in the world" etc.

Second, If you have a problem with I Cor 13:1, and 14:2 take it up with the author.
---Bruce5656 on 3/11/06


alan of U.K., the title "Catholic" may have come into common use after Pilate had died, but their false religion had been in practice since O.T. times under other names. Just as Christians were called the Sheep, or those of the Way, long before the title "Christian" came into use.
---Eloy on 3/11/06


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emg, The Lord has given me many gifts. I speak in tongues and I also interpret tongues, the tongues from others in the body and also the tongues in my mouth.
---Eloy on 3/11/06


john t, we have no fellowship.
---Eloy on 3/11/06


Wow Jeffrey. That's quite a stretch when God Himself through Paul under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost said, "NO MAN understands it." Take a sheet of paper and a pencil and list every man that "NO MAN" includes. It won't take long.
---Paulie on 3/11/06


1/2
Rebecca:
Your statement is exactly WHY people need to test the the spirits. It assumes that because a person is a Christian, he/she can not be influenced by demons, or accidentaly permit one to come. In an exorcism of a church I pastored, we were praying and praising. When we sang, "God is so good" I, and another person heard me sing "no good" instead.
---John_T on 3/11/06


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2/2 I had taken all the precautions, but this messenger of Satan used me when I was supposed to praise God.

We dealt with that, and continued. However I never forget that,and always urge to TEST THE SPIRITS-- it is Scriptural, not worng.
---John_T on 3/11/06


Bruce: Please name one time that angels spoke toman and the language was unintelligible? Or can you cite when people spoke to one another, and words, etc were NOT used?

Your position assumes that "language" can be anything, including many repeatingsof a syllable . That is not necessarilly wrong, but I do not believe that it is substantiated in Scripture.

That is why I take the position that I do, plus despite asking for that gift 30+ years ago, neither my wife nor I got tongues.
---John_T on 3/11/06


Eloy ... I know we disagree about various things, but we are in the same body of christ, I believe. How is your job going ... I recall about a month ago, you started a new one?
---alan_of_uK on 3/11/06


Correct, Bruce, but you forgot the italics, 'unknown' and 'him', which were added by the translators and should be taken out.

1 Cor 14:2:
For he that speaketh in an {unknown} tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth {him}; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

In Acts 2 someone understood 'him'. But the one speaking does not understand what he's saying. It could be a language of men or it could be a language of angels.
---Jeffrey on 3/11/06


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Eloy ... I had thought when you said Pontiff (I know him as Pontius) Pilate was a roman catholic, that you meant he was a leading member of the Roman Catholic Church. That appears to be my misunderstanding which led to our dicussion.
You refer to yours of 2/28, but it must be somewhere else ... I can't find it on this blog!!.
---alan_of_uK on 3/11/06


Tommy,
You are partially correct. Paul did say that tongues would cease when "that which is perfect comes" (1 Cor 13:8-10). However, you will also note that he talks about knowledge and prophesy disappearing in that same scripture, so do you believe they disappeared to? Paul is referring to is when Christ comes again! You just picked out only part of the scripture that supports YOUR view and ignored the other two, prophesy and knowledge, or did you really believe they are gone too?

Moderator - You are correct Wes because those gifts will not be needed in heaven.
---wes on 3/11/06


Eloy has trouble dealing with arguments, and responds by attacking people:
I am carnal...3/9
I have not the mind of Christ...3/10
I am apostate...3/11
He mocks SLC guy's blog name...3/6

Both Alan and I have called him on the ad hominim attacks.

This needs to stop
---John_T on 3/11/06


Excellent, Bruce. That Scripture all by itself lays to rest any argument that tongues is always "known languages".
---Linda on 3/11/06


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Eloy has trouble remembering what he says" I have not said Pontiff Pilate was any pope, only that Pontius and Pontiff are synonymous meaning"

alan, Pontiff Pilate was a Roman governor; his Roman guards and officers violently manhandled, abused, and murdered Jesus 2/25

alan, I already shed accurate light on Pontiff Pilate being a catholic 2/28
---John_T on 3/11/06


ELOY: I am honored by the compamy in which you place me!

"you are apostate and bear false witness"
People with whom he has no fellowship
Bruce Do Christians Ever Sin (DCES) 2/18
Lupe (DCES) 2/12 Bruce (again) Are You Saved? 3/6

alan, I already shed accurate light on Pontiff Pilate being a catholic
---John_T on 3/11/06


Ann5758, When the last of those people that had recieved these gifts by the laying on Of the hands of the apostols had passed away these certain gifts ceased and that includes tongues. Did not Paul say where there are tongues they shall cease and I truly believe they have.

Moderator - Show the scriptures.
---Tommy on 3/11/06


Eloy ... You & I seem to have been discussing a misundersanding. You had, I thought, on another blog, implied that the Roman Catholic Church was responsible for Pilate crucifying Jesus. I also thought, perhaps mistakenly, that you rejected my observation that as Pilate had died well before the establishment of the RCC, the RCC could not be help responsible for his actions.
---alan_of_uK on 3/11/06


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John T

Two verses indicate that "tongues" is not necessarily an earthly language.
1 Corinthians 13:1, "Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels..."
1 Corinthians 14:2, "For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for NO MAN understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries."

This takes it outside of the realm of human language.
---Bruce5656 on 3/11/06


The bible says to try the spirit to see if they be of God. 1 John 1:4. But if a I were to speak in tongues I would know it came from God because he abides in me and I in him, so therefore I don't need to try my spirit.
---Rebecca_D on 3/11/06


Eloy, I neither speak in tongues nor do I interpret tongues but I know many who do. It seems usual, with interpretation, that a person has been given the gift of interpreting the tongues spoken by another particular individual. You seem to be saying that you interpret tongues period. Are you saying that you can interpret tongues regardless of whose mouth they come out of or have I misunderstood what you say?
---emg on 3/11/06


john t, what is absurd to you, is holy to God and the saints.
---Eloy on 3/11/06


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alan of U.K., see my reply to john t below. It is known that the judicial authority during that time was Roman, the officers who arrested Jesus were Roman, the guards who had Jesus killed and stabbed were Roman, and they had a false religion and worshipped in mass a false goddess named Diana. But persons from completely different kinds of religion do not have similar commonality, just because of having the same name.
---Eloy on 3/11/06


john t, I have not said Pontiff Pilate was any pope, only that Pontius and Pontiff are synonymous meaning a "Roman overseer". As for a "castle in the sky", you are apostate and bear false witness; you can only mock the innocent because out of your heart your mouth speaks. Know that when you dis the heavenly tongues and dis the saints of God, you are also denigrating the Holy Spirit. Please read Matthew 5:11,12; 10:25; II Timothy 3:1-9.
---Eloy on 3/11/06


Why don"t you speak in tongues? Well, I suppose the answer you get will depend on what denomination you ask this question off.
---Thomas on 3/11/06


Weather or not you speak in tongues, if Christ has forgiven you your sins and your a christian you have his spirit. Let no one grieve you.
---Thomas on 3/10/06


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It is not that I am anti-tongues. I AM NOT AGAINST TONGUES. I'm for God's people to discern the truth about the sourceof their tongues, seeing if it is from God or demon.

Too often avid tongues people say, "It HAS to be right,or from Got, etc because it feels so good when I do it." That is an invitation for disaster, basing theology on experience rather than on Scripture.

That is why I so often say "test the spirit". We are enjoined to do so, so why not test the spirit?
---John_T on 3/10/06


Bruce, my experience truly accounts for nothing regarding the jibberish I heard. what matters is Scripture.
The first mention of tongues was in Acts when others heard the Disciples praying/praising in their native languages. That means that there were syllables, syntax and sentences plus context.
It also points to the absolute need for accurate interpertation, and testing to see if theybe from God.
---John_T on 3/10/06


PART ONE:
John T,
The orientals I listen to do not sound like you describe. I cannot discern those parts of speech.
When I or others I know pray in tongues, it sounds very much like a language. I have paid particular attention on occasion to the structure and repetition of certain sylabals (sp?) and then to the interpertation and heard simmilar pattern of repetitions in both.
---Bruce5656 on 3/10/06


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