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Jews Still God's Chosen People

Are the Jews still God's chosen people?

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God is not a prejudicial racist. God does not care if you are a native Jew, nor even if you are an Israeli: but God cares moreso whether your heart is right with him or not, for no matter what race you are he looks upon each person's heart, and judges accordingly. The faithful, regardless if belonging to the circumcision or not, are God's chosen people.
---Eloy on 6/28/10

"Behold the days shall come, saith the Lord, and I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Juda: Not according to the covenant which I made with their fathers, in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt: the covenant which they made void, and I had dominion over them, saith the Lord." [Jeremias,31:31-32]
---Dolorosa on 6/27/10

DavidA- We ought to quibble, since there is only one (not two or more) name under heaven whereby we must be saved - the Name Jesus Christ. That's Scriptural. It matters what we call Jesus Christ.
---Betty on 3/5/09

There are two parts to a name. The moniker and the reputation it invokes. The job of the moniker is to invoke the reputation of the one that holds it. We spend time searching for God's moniker like it holds admission to a secret society. If there is any power there it comes from the one that holds the reputation. The name Jesus is precious and holy and defines everything I aspire to be like. I used to hold it up like a mystical sound. From a Jewish rabbi I learned that Jesus derives from Yeshua and Yeshua was a common name at that time. The rabbi told me it means 'God Saves'. We can quibble about the moniker but 'God Saves' is a reputation that Jesus inherited and lived up to and a reputation we should carefully consider.
---DavidA on 3/4/09

Relax Betty, I am not out to prove anyone wrong. I am still learning too!

I am aware that YHWH was called Adonai, though not nearly as much as he was called by his name. (Yod Hay Vav Hay) I have a free bible program called e-sword that has a built in Strongs that allows you to put your cursor over any word and the Strongs word for the Hebrew or Greek (OT/NT) pops up.

When you see Lord in the OT, that is Adonai, while the all caps LORD is used in replace of Yod hay Vav Hay.

I don't have a problem calling Elohim God, Adonai, Lord, etc. I am bothered that somebody has taught you, or you learned off the net, that Yahweh is a pagan name. While the pronunciation is off, it is an acceptable form of Yod Hay Vav Hay. (YHWH)
---Ken_Rank on 2/25/09

Ken- I'm glad you mentioned Adonai or Adoni. Did you know, according to Strong's Concordance, some people in the Bible called God Adonai. Find out if you don't believe me.
---Betty on 2/24/09

Ken- When will you learn this- the name of God is God. Find out why I say that. I am a Christian who was once out left field calling on Yahweh & Yahshua. Now I'm in the right field. Jesus Christ is alive and well, and He is on front and center stage of the world, not hidden in some dusty library or under a bushel. His Light has been shining for all those centuries, beckoning sinners to Him. His name and the name God are the ones that have been magnified for all these centuries, not those other names. There is no other name under heaven whereby we must be saved. Therefore, He wants people to know His name, it was and is exalted, and famous.
---Betty on 2/24/09

In Revelation, Jesus speaks against those who say they are Jews and yet are not. Guess who they are. The Talmud is more important to Jews than the OT. Christ condemned the teachings of the scribes and pharisees, because they came from the talmud and not from the holy Scriptures. They were teaching the "traditions of men".
---Betty on 2/23/09

Betty, do you realize how much trouble you can get in today telling the truth?? I don't know how you found this tal-mudd info but CPl'ers may not like you telling truth for your righteous possible persecution. Many readers here have never heard of the tal-Mud. Emphasis on mud. You're likely to start a fire.
---Trav on 2/24/09

Betty, I have spent a thousand hours on names and titles, wasted time if you ask me. "God" is not a name, regardless of who is telling you what. It is a term that came into the English language of Teutonic/ anglo-saxen origin and was the name they applied to their deity.

Elohim, in Hebrew, which we translate as "God," means "God of gods" in English.

Neither are a name, they are titles.

"The name of the LORD is a strong tower." LORD is not a name, it means master or ruler and is derived from the Hebrew Adonai.

What you call the God of the bible is up to you. But YHWH is his name according to the Hebrew manuscripts. If they are worthless to you, so is Messiah.
---Ken_Rank on 2/24/09


What is Yeshua's Fathers name? What is the name of the Almighty?
---wayne on 2/24/09

Old Covenant it may not count to some posting here, by their admission.

Neither shall ye profane my holy name, but I will be hallowed among the children of Israel: I am the LORD which hallow you,
Leviticus 22:31-33

Leviticus 24:10-12 And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death.
Leviticus 24:15-17
---Trav on 2/24/09

Ken- the name God is the name of the deity you claim to worship, if you worship the One the Bible was written about. You should be careful what you say about it. Gawd was how it was pronounced by some people. Did you know Israel's god was not Yahweh? There were many yahs, not many gods. Dirty men and women loved yahweh as a work of art, he was an idol. Find out what I say is true.
---Betty on 2/23/09

Betty, the name YHWH appears in the Hebrew manuscripts as early as Genesis 2. It has and always will be God's name.

Look, I don't know what you practice, how you practice, but I can say (lovingly) that whatever you are studying or whoever is teaching you is out in left field. Because pagans have adopted the name YHWH means they are trying to imitate their Creator. The effort all along by the adversary was to make himself look like God to make us follow him over God. If he uses the name YHWH that is because he is trying to confuse. I told you upfront, Yahweh probably isn't a good version of pronciation, but it is better than replacing it with another title.

---Ken_Rank on 2/23/09

Ken- You have a right to worship as you please, but there were many yah gods in the middle east and in Egypt in ancient times. It was associated with the moon god, heifer-cow gods and goat gods. There is archaeological evidence that yahweh and his cow (think about Mt. Sinai and what was worshipped while Moses was absent) was worshipped in Samaria, among other places. Yahweh and the cow were also associated with Isis and ugly sexual rites. Yahweh was associated with Ashera-his consort. Nasty, isn't it? You may want to one day look up yahweh is baal on the internet and see what you can find. Find out what the name yahweh is used for in the Kabbalah, but I warn you it is witchcraft. Pious Jews they were.
---Betty on 2/23/09

Betty, Rabbi Akiba is responsible for the Talmud. If you can find it, heck I will GIVE you my copy, find and read "Rabbi Akiba's Messiah." It is less a story about the Bar Khokba revolt (which is what I was hopinh for) and more an indictment against rabbi's and their talmud.

YHWH appears in the Hebrew manuscripts like 2300 times and has been removed and replaced with LORD. Even today, Judah will not SAY God's name (Yahweh, Yahuah, Yehowua, etc.) for fear that saying it will blaspheme it. Nonsense, it is in the scrolls they READ ever Shabbat.

What do you think God's name is, God? That comes from the Teutonic Gawd, a name they used to refer to their pagan diety.

---Ken_Rank on 2/23/09

Ken- Before Jesus Christ was born into the world, Judah was led away captive. What came back to settle Judah were not Jews. Instead, Babylonian men and women settled the region, teaching Baalism and using the name Yahweh. They are responsible for the Talmud. They wanted to combine Scriptures with the Talmud. In Revelation, Jesus speaks against those who say they are Jews and yet are not. Guess who they are. The Talmud is more important to Jews than the OT. Christ condemned the teachings of the scribes and pharisees, because they came from the talmud and not from the holy Scriptures. They were teaching the "traditions of men".
---Betty on 2/23/09

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Betty>> I'm a soldier in God's army, and Yahweh is one of my enemies because he is one of God's enemies.

Ken>> Then who do you think Yahweh is?

If you have a new bible version, you will note that in the preface it says that the word LORD, as has been the tradition, is used in replace of God's name, which looks like this in English, YHWH.

Even the KJV replaces God's name with LORD thousands of time, and the name is written out as seen above, thousands of times. using the Hebrew vowel pointers Betty, one can pronounce it Yahweh. I prefer Yahuah, but don't get wrapped up in how it is said. How is Yahweh an enemy of Yahweh and WHO has told you this?

---Ken_Rank on 2/23/09

Betty, Im sorry your an enemy of Yahuah. For it is Yahuah who gave the name of Yeshua to our messiah. For Yeshua says He came in His Fathers Name. You are denying the Father therefore you arre denying the Son. Your not in God's army, you had better double check your beliefs.
---wayne on 2/22/09

wayne- I'm a soldier in God's army, and Yahweh is one of my enemies because he is one of God's enemies. In ancient times a demon named Yahweh appeared to people and tried to take away worship from God. Another one of his names was Baal. The Bible teaches the law is done away with, and Christianity has taught that it is done away with also. God could have debased Christianity if He was against it, but He exalted it instead.
---Betty on 2/22/09

Amen, DDM Jr. I share your sentiments that the sin of the world, not merely America, has fiinally come home to roost. There is nothing for us to fear if we are on God's side. The enemy tries to divide to conquer. We should stick together as people of good will against those who mean to destroy everyone and take them to Hell with them.
---frances008 on 2/22/09

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Brethren, "Jew" is the modern short form of the word Judah. If you read Jer 31:31-34 and Heb. 8, you'll see that indeed, Judah is part of the new covenant. Sure a day will come when their eyes are opened to Yahshua and will walk through him as he is the only door, but Judah will be saved.

I wonder though, how many here understand that Christians are Israel, not a replacement, but a grafted in part of the Commonwealth of Israel?

---Ken_Rank on 2/21/09

Scripture says Yea,I am God I change not so I would say yes.However unless they except Jesus as Savior they won't go to heaven.
---shirley on 2/21/09

God saved the gentiles first to provoke the Jews to jealousy. Once the fullness of the gentiles' salvation occurs, God is going to do a tremendous work among the Jews. We must remember that God is love and has everything planned out. His ways are higher than ours and we cannot suppose to understand any of what is unfolding before us. Jesus told Peter that "if you love me, feed my sheep". I believe that this should be our point of fucus. Gentile believers have been grafted into the status of the Jews. Praise God!!:).
---jody on 2/21/09

Frances008_Thank You for your kind words,
May my/our Father bless you with the richness of his Glory and keep you in these times of trouble.

I fear nothing, Man or otherwise,
God has always provided my needs,
Thank You Father....

I've been telling family & friends for 35 yrs that the fall of America was coming, Because Sin is a reproach to ANY Nation, especially to ones that claim God as there God.

I think these maybe the kindest words that we've said(Typed) to one another, Praise God,
It certainly over Joy's my Heart.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin_Jr. on 2/21/09

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DDM, I hope the recession does not hit you too badly. Thanks for your prayers. God bless you.
---frances008 on 2/21/09

Frances008_I'm a auto parts saleman, and I bring the word of God to all that will listen, many biker type people come to me & I'm far from being led by ANYONE, But the spirit.

Once again, you have called a true child of God, EVERYTHING but, what i truly am, A son to the Most High God & a Brother/servant/friend to whom you call your Lord...

One day you'll give account for your words, Remember your own reply to someone the other day(?),How Jesus was going to Judge EVERYONE/YOU included on what you done and SAID & THOUGHT, be careful lest your own words condemn you.

I tell you this as one who still cares about your soul & still prays for you
(I mean that w/a pure heart).
---Duane_Dudley_Martin_Jr. on 2/20/09

DDM, don't you know when people are lying to you? The WMD that Saddam Hussein was supposed to have and didn't. The order to remain in the World Trade Centre, when they were already mined and due to come down in minutes if not hours. How many people died because they did not use their own survival instinct but trusted the authorities? David Kelly, supposedly committing suicide and then it turned out he was right all along about the WMD in Iraq. After that PM Blair managed a coup d'etat on the BBC, sacking three top management and putting in illuminati people. I guess the patterns are not clear enough for you DDM.
---frances008 on 2/20/09

DDM has obviously had training from Herman Goerring. He works for the illuminati because he expects to be given a special place in the NWO. Satan always promises things he then decides later not to give. DDM you are a dead spy. You were made to work for them and be disposed of. You don't get to keep your soul. I have warned you many times that you are in serious error defiling the Temple of God. Just because you work for a poncy NWO that is destined to failure. Yes, you might kill off a few million or billion people, and laugh, but you will eventually die too. I hope you are an atheist because at least you will draw comfort from the fact that you think there is no hell.
---frances008 on 2/20/09

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DDM, when you wake up and see how they have used you, and are using every military member, and then turned them into slaves, you are going to be very angry. I am writing to you so that you will know whose side you are on. You hate me, but I am on your side. I want you to be free. I want people who serve the NWO to wake up before the morning they suddenly realize they have been disarmed and are now a danger to the public because ot Post Traumatic Stress, and taken away to a mental home and pumped with medications. What goes around comes around, DDM.
---frances008 on 2/20/09

DDM, you make out that I am evil. I am a Bible Believer, and Jesus lives in me, and his Holy Spirit of Truth lives in me. That makes you a blasphemer. That is one of the unforgiveable sins. The other sins may be covered, even if we do not know we did them and therefore do not get a chance to repent. I am telling you this for your good, that you can repent in time. Get on the side that knows the truth, for your own soul's sake. Don't be bribed by their false promises.
---frances008 on 2/20/09

John 6:28,29 Jesus said to the Jewish people seeking Him. They said therefore to Him, "What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?" verse 29 Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He had sent." Paul taught me that everything from the Father is freely given to me(1 Cor 2:12) by God's grace, bought and paid for with the precious blood of Jesus. The self-righteous works of the law I was trying to keep and perform disappeared and were replaced with the good works that God prepared beforehand, that I should walk in them. It's much easier to perform good works for something you've already received and add to the foundation which Christ layed. Good works which will remain.
---Bob on 2/20/09

In the over four years that I have been blogging, the illuminati agents always go personal and inevitably bring up 'medication'. They are trained to do so. I believe they have some kind of script that they are following. This is so close to Nazi tactics, where 'mentally ill' and 'gays' and the homeless were rounded up for extermination, that it isn't even funny. They do it to members of their own family. I wonder what God thinks of them for believing the media lies over His Word, the Truth.
---frances008 on 2/20/09

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There are plenty of so called christains who are enemies of Yeshua. They teach the law is done away with, they worship on pagan days and they love thier traditions more then YHVH! When we truely believe and follow Yeshua, we become citisens of Yisrael, and we fall under the law. Now the law does not justify us, we do not earn our way into Heaven. But when we love YHVH and follow Yeshua, we keep the law out of love, and then YHVH Himself justifies us through the sacrifice of Yeshua. Only when we strive to obey out of love are we covered by the Atonement of Yeshua.
---wayne on 2/20/09

Frances008, You misread my words just as you do the word of Gods and then add all your bit's & pieces to it.
The game your playing is not a healthy one,
Not counting myself, i've read many people warning you of your err when it comes to scripture & your imagination.
I see the Doctor's didn't find the right Meds for you yet, maybe with Gods help you won't need them anymore?

It's true God is going to save Israel, But it's not for the Jews sake, it's for his Holy name sake he is going to do what hes going to do(save

Ezekiel says a 1/3rd of Israel will be removed/killed in the last day's, However he goes on to say that God will save a remanent of them(144,000 & such).
---Duane_Dudley_Martin_Jr. on 2/20/09

According to DDM, if I am not Jewish, I am a sinner. If I am Jewish, I am not a sinner. Nice logic. The truth is evil people go to Hell no matter if they are Jewish or not, and good people will go to Heaven no matter whether they are Jewish or not. This is the truth that DDM completely misses.
---frances008 on 2/20/09

No they are not. The Jews who hate Jesus Christ are His enemies. There are many Jews who hate Him and deny Him as Savior. Their most holy book, as they call it, teaches their children to hate Jesus Christ. God's chosen people are those who believe in Jesus Christ, and who give their lives to Christ.
---Betty on 2/18/09

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This is not the final word but just an extra piece of the puzzle. When Israel fell into Baal worship, God raised up enemies of Israel to make war against them and severely punish them. God called those leaders his servants. But don't go away thinking that someone who causes Israel to worship idols and then attacks them for it is going to be called a servant of God. It does not work like that. When people do things because they wish to be worshipped by the whole world, it will be transparent that they are working against God, and their end is not enviable.
---frances008 on 2/18/09

The Jewish people have special gifts from GOD. But each person is saved individually. People are not saved as a group. Read the Prophet Isaiah and the words of John. There is no special birth that still makes the Jewish people chosen as a group.

All who wish to follow JESUS are to be saved. Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
---Samuel on 2/17/09

Mima, I would love to know how many Jewish friends you have. Do you have any idea at all what the Jews think? One of my best friends for years was Jewish, and if he was still around, would still be. The Jewish people try to put out an Anti Zionist opinion, but what happens? the Vatican media will not give them any publicity. People posing as Jews attack them with antisemitism of the worst kind. I have seen it on the internet. 'Jews' attacking real Jews just because the real Jews are not for a Jewish nation until their Messiah comes. I also lived with some young Israelis for several weeks. They were clueless when it came to politics and only knew how to obey the Israeli authorities, and do their draft time in the army, men and women.
---frances008 on 2/16/09

You phoney's who pretend to be Israel's friend are the cause of Israel's problems. No Jews support the killing of innocents in Palestine. Only Zionists who are Christians and who supply weapons to other Zionists in Israel are causing Israel to err and do things that are going to destroy Israel. You phoney's are determined that Israel be destroyed and so you encourage the sinning and the wars. I support the good Israeli's who want Americans and the Roman Catholic Church to keep out of their country. But I guess it is difficult to fight American foreign policies or British for that matter.
---frances008 on 2/16/09

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There you go again Frances008,
reading your art of war BS...

The New Jerusalem will sit on 12 foundations and have 12 gates, All of them having the names of our Jewish brethren on them and it will sit on Gods Holy Mountain in Jerusalem when it descends from Heaven.

Your a hater which makes you a murderer and NO murderer will enter the Kingdom of God.
I've tried to help you, but you insist on hating people, you've misplaced your love for God and have filled with worldly emotions.

A Jew that serves his God in Err, will make it to Heaven before you do, Repent and lose this hatred, Pray for them and return unto
Gods Love.

Many nation are about to find out "IF" gods still loves them more than others!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin_Jr. on 2/16/09

To all,

Do all of you believe that the Old Testament has many types and shadows which point to Christ?

Do you believe that the Old Testament pointed to God's salvation of his people?

Now here is my opinion, for what it is worth, the Jews were the visible type and shadow that God has a chosen people. He always has, I believe he always will have.

The Apostle Paul says that being a Jew outwardly is not what is important. What is important is that we are Jews inwardly (Rom 2:28) and that not all Israelites of are the Israel (Romans 9:6).

One may or may not be a Jew in the flesh, what is important is that spiritually you are Jews.

Does that make sense to you?
---trey on 2/16/09

---frances008 your comments about Israel remind me to remind you that Israel(the Jewish nation) is a God planting and should be treated with due respect.
---mima on 2/16/09

The past three presidents (including Obama) have stood by Israel encouraging and allowing them to kill innocents and use massive amounts of chemical weapons including the totally Satanic Phosopherous and depleted uranium ones, against babies, women and men in Palestine. When we have a friend, and see that friend doing some sin that will lead to death, if we were a true friend we would tell them to stop it. If they did not stop it, we would no longer be their friend. You cannot just stand by and let your friend become an agent for evil. Zionism is at the bottom of it, look at Obama's Vice President, he is a ZIonist by admission.
---frances008 on 2/16/09

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God gave us the commandments. People ignored them. Also things happened when the angels fell in Genesis Ch 6. God saw his creation was going against his will. God raised up the Jewish race, Israel, to be the House from which the Saviour would be born. Armies were raised by Satan to destroy the Israelites before Jesus could come. God told certain leaders to destroy certain tribes, man woman and infant, not to leave a living person. However, when Bush belonged to Skull and Bones he made a pact with the devil. The killing he did in Iraq was not from God. Clinton also, he was trained by the Vatican. These are both Satanic plots against humanity. Go back further to Nixon etc etc. Most presidents have been on Satan's side.
---frances008 on 2/15/09

Satan is running things and he is out to kill all those who need to die for his plans of a New World Order. To be specific, Satan is an evil fallen angel, the way he works is through organized Satan worshipping systems like freemasons and the Jesuits. We have the Bible that tells humans not to kill, but some humans are not following the Bible. Now we have a choice, to let them kill innocents or to take up arms against them. I have been fighting an information war for years. Getting people to withdraw support of the Vatican's plans for a New World Order. Those who like me woke up to what was going on, and live in the USA, have bought guns because they see that they are the next ones after the Palestinians due to be slaughtered.
---frances008 on 2/15/09

to kennedy/ first the bible do say do not kill. it say do not murder/ why jews kill the palestinian ? cose for the pass 7 years they shooting missles on israelis town/ you forgot.. who com to kill you you kill him first
---john on 2/14/09

Kennedy: "If it is writen in the Bible that "thou shou not kill" why then are Gods people not "loving thy neigbour"?"

Actually it's "thou shalt not murder." I don't know off hand specific verses, but there are dozens of verses that imply that it is the word "murder." Besides, God would not be setting a good example when he ordered people to kill other people.

People use the word "kill" in the extreme when they say we souldn't kill animals - or in some circles, plants - for our meat. But God says that every moving thing that lives shall be meat for you, even the green herb have I given you all things.
---Steveng on 1/5/09

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---Kennedy on 12/31/08

Here is a helpful hint. The trouble between Israel and her Arab neighbors
goes back to Abraham going into Haggar's
---mima on 1/4/09

Mima, your a reader evidently. Very few will know what you mean. Which is absolutely amazing with the knowledge and ease of research we have today. I'll post part of it.
GOD, Concerning seen in all his muslim brethren,today. The mark of Ishmael.

Gen 16:12 And he will be a wild man, his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him, and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

Lets never forget Esau/hated from the womb....who wants his birthright back from Jacob.
---Trav on 1/5/09

---Kennedy on 12/31/08

Observation on why. Blog question out of balance, all 13 nations of Is ra el (Ruling with GOD)have special position with GOD.
The name. You can still see blessings of this people, today. Not in Judah, but from the other houses.
Fading now, but at one time they were.
The head not the tail. In finance, land, mineral wealth,food, research, education, Gospel missions, military might, righteous behavior, etc, etc, etc.

Sound like anyplace you've ever lived or people heard about? These blessings were from GOD if they honored and obeyed. Like the wife in proverbs.
---Trav on 1/5/09

---Kennedy on 12/31/08

Here is a helpful hint. The trouble between Israel and her Arab neighbors
goes back to Abraham going into Haggar's
---mima on 1/4/09

>Most common taught misconception in all of Christianity.
Jacob=Jews. Jews = All Israel<

Note the word ALL below. It does not single out Judah.

35Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar, The LORD of hosts is his name:

36If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

37Thus saith the LORD, If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off ALL the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD
---Trav on 1/2/09

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what has happened to the Jews over the years is no reason to think that God has forsaken them
in the Jewish feasts there are the first.. passover, firstfruits, pentecost
then there is a long stretch of time.. which many call the age of grace of the (gentile) church
then there are the last feasts.. rosh hashana, atonement, tabernacles
during the time of Jacob's trouble, aka the 70th week of Daniel, aka the 7 year tribulation this time frame focuses on the Jews (the 144,000, the two witnesses, the Jews kept safe from the antichrist) rather than the (gentile) church
---opalgal on 1/1/09

I am shocked by the Isrealis show of force on Gaza in the past 5 days...

Tell me are they God's chosen or devil driven people? If it is writen in the Bible that "thou shou not kill" why then are Gods people not "loving thy neigbour"? Why is Isreal which, according to known history was created in 1948, since been commiting crimes againist the Arab humanity unabated? Should this stengthen or rather make us reconsider our Christian faith?

Why Why ?
---Kennedy on 12/31/08

Can someone answer this for me-
why does Hosea "seem" to be saying that Judah is really seperate from Israel?
---miche3754 on 11/25/08
You don't accept answers from me...but, you have found a part what I've been pointing all along.

11 nations of Israel....were divorced from GOD first. Judah did not get divorced until after Christ.

GOD would not have a SON out of wedlock.

Heb 8:8, Jer 31:31 new covenant shows these two as separate enitity's. They were. Now two sticks rejoined.
Understand that the largest part of Israel,millions was lost to US in knowledge...But not to GOD. He knows where they are. And will sift as corn....not one grain lost. Not one Lost Sheep.
---Trav on 11/26/08

Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed( ISRAEL ) and your name remain.

One must read Hebrews 1...Jesus the Firstborn....that of (preemninence) is HEIR of ALL things.

His Heirship includes the Kingdoms of this world becoming the KINDDOM of our Lord and Christ. Only HE is worthy to open the scroll (Rev 6) the last will and testament of HIS Authority ....which includes HIS fulfilling those promises to Israel the Nation, when Jesus Christ King of Kings and Lord of Lords takes the Throne of David....

The joint heirs with Christ, joint heirs of CHRISTS inheritance.
---kathr4453 on 11/25/08

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Judah... Jews...
They are always God people.
The jews did not fall from God.
The Israelites did.
Hosea 4:15 "Though you commit adultery, O Israel, let not Judah become guilty. "

Can someone answer this for me-
why does Hosea "seem" to be saying that Judah is really seperate from Israel?
---miche3754 on 11/25/08

Ezekiel 47:22-23 "Strangers/Inherit"
47 and see that he's speaking of the sameone(New Jerusalem) that John's speaking of in the book of Revelation 21:12-14<

---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 11/24/08

This appears right but, word for stranger here is "Geyr". Referred to relations that
visited and stayed. Like finding a cousin in England. We will not give our children's iheritance even to this cousin probably. He might have key to door, limited use of your land etc.

Farther down in Rev notice ...mentioning prophets...

God of the8 holy prophets senthisG848
angel to shew unto his servants

Additional info the....
12 fruits, 12 gates,12 apostles, 12x12 144,000 etc.
---Trav on 11/25/08

Tray - Read Jeremiah 31:36-37. This is proof that the Jews and Israel will NEVER cease from being God's people - no matter what they have done. God has now added the Gentiles (Christians) to the olive branch, to be His people as well. Nothing can separate us from the love of God, including sin. Yes, sin can separate us from God and Heaven, but NOT from God's love.
---Leslie on 11/24/08

Remember WE are Christ's inheritance...

In the OT Birthright was to the First born.

In the NT, No one who is saved can say they are saved by any birthright, or inheritance.

Jesus is the firstborn from the dead....HE has preemninance...and we are HIS HERITAGE!!!!
---kathr4453 on 11/24/08

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I beg to differ,
Ezekiel 47:22-23 "Strangers/Inherit"
read all of ch. 47 and see that he's speaking of the sameone(New Jerusalem) that John's speaking of in the book of Revelation 21:12-14

And the "water/river of Life" in Rev.22:1-2 & Ezek.47:12-14

---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 11/24/08

WE, the CHURCH are not Jacob's descendents, or receive Jacob's promises re:

Land etc, but WE are Abraham's Spiritual seed.
---kathr4453 on 11/22/08

Mima,and not a prophet one to back her up. There are none. Unless you count the false ones today.

Now I would have to ask myself at some point.
Self. Do the prophets prophecy all this denom theory?
I believe I'll just check the prophets and prove ole weirdo trav wrong.
---Trav on 11/24/08

What is your understanding of Romans 11:15
---mima on 11/20/08

Romans 9 = Israel past
Romans 10 =Israel present
Romans 11 =Israel future. Jacob's blessings and those Jacob gave to all 12 in Genesis 49 STILL STAND and are for the LAST DAYS ( yet to come) .

WE, the CHURCH are not Jacob's descendents, or receive Jacob's promises re:

Land etc, but WE are Abraham's Spiritual seed. Abraham's children are described in Galatianss 3:7.... We don't inherit promises by does Jacob and his descendents.

Paul in Ephesians states he wants US to know what is the HOPE of OUR CALLING completely DIFFERENT than the the hope of the Nation Israel described in the remainder of Romans 11.
---kathr4453 on 11/22/08

Tray- Ephesians 2:11-18 about Jews and Gentiles
----Leslie on 11/20/08

Leslie. Settle down a little. We believe the same thing. With one important detail unseen by most.
Pointing out that Gentiles as you use them, did not replace 11 parts former Israel. The gentiles you refer too above....were are the other 11 parts of Israel. Visable to those who search and ask...the only teacher.

Eph 2:13But now in Christ Jesus you who ONCE WERE FAR AWAY have been brought near through the blood of Christ.

...unto all Israel, that are near, and that are far off, through all the countries whither thou hast driven them, because of their trespass that they have trespassed against thee.
Daniel 9:6-8
All...key ..far off.
---Trav on 11/21/08

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You are believeing FALSE doctrine (Replacement Theology) if you believe they are no longer God's people and land - This doctrine is NOT lined up with God's Word, and is a LIE.
---Leslie on 11/20/08

Leslie, I love passionate lovers of scripture.
This is a great opportunity to point out...(and it's a study...took me years)that most denom's practice replacement theology. Most replace the 11 parts of lost sheep Israel incorrectly. It was not to all Gentiles, but to the Divorced house. Heb8:8, Jer 31:31 specifically states for a starting ending point.
---Trav on 11/21/08

Tray- Ephesians 2:11-18 talks about Jews and Gentiles (Christians) becoming one new man in Christ. Isaiah 41:8-10 talks about Israel and the Jews being God's people. God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, He does not change - God will NEVER change His mind on the Jews and Israel being His chosen people and land. You are believeing FALSE doctrine (Replacement Theology) if you believe they are no longer God's people and land - This doctrine is NOT lined up with God's Word, and is a LIE.
---Leslie on 11/20/08

The 12 foundations(Steps) of the New Jerusalem have the names of the D's(Jewish names) written on them & the 12 gates to that new city have the names of the 12 tribes of Israel over them....

The Bride(Church) IS GIVEN to Jesus as his own & the Jews will be God's and they WILL dwell in the New Jerusalem that Jesus went to build after he ascended into Heaven.

The Bride will forever be the Lord's,
being led to the life giving waters & healing the Earth with the leaves of the trees that bear 12 kinds of fruit that WILL grow on both sides of the river of Life that WILL flow from the Throne of God and give life even to the Dead Sea...
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 11/20/08

As regards the answer to this question I would like to recommend Romans 11:15,
"For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?"
To understand this passage of Scripture is to understand Almighty God's everlasting relationship with the Jewish people.
There is a prominent messianic Jewish man named Arthur Katz who understands this verse very well. What is your understanding of Romans 11:15
---mima on 11/20/08

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The Bible indicates that the Jews are and will always be God's chosen people.

Christians are added to this - Jew and Gentile now form one new man as the Bible says.
---Leslie on 11/19/08

Leslie, I wouldn't offend but I'd like to point to a misconception we've been taught. It is 11 parts incorrect.

Israel as a whole were chosen.
Judah makes up 1/12th of this.

Where is the scripture wording Judean and Gentile form one new man? The prophets didn't prophecy it. So there may be a problem with the doctrine. If its's false doctrine.
---Trav on 11/20/08

YES! Nothing well change that, in time G-d SAIED THAT Jewdah we "look upon Him that they pierced, and weep." Eze, 37:15-22. BOUTH Jewdah, AND, Ephriem well be brought back into the land and it is there that Yeshua will rain over a Reunited Israel. You must understand the "Church" NEVER replased anyone! Thous that truly belive in Messiah Yeshua are Israel (Ephiem, of the Northerin kingdom of Israel. (2Kings, 18:11) Look At Eze.37 thin ask, and fiend the book "Who is Israel" Batya Wotten.
---Aharon on 11/19/08

The Bible indicates that the Jews are and will always be God's chosen people. Christians are added to this - Jew and Gentile now form one new man as the Bible says.
---Leslie on 11/19/08

but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
---trey on 11/18/08

In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

Judeans and the other divorced houses of Israel...gentilized if you prefer this latin word.

Hebrews 8:8.
Jer 31:31
---Trav on 11/19/08

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God's people both Jews and Gentiles are his chosen people.

Witness No. 1
Rom2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly, neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one INWARDLY, and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter, whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Witness No. 2
Rom9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL, which are of Israel:
Rom9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
---trey on 11/18/08

The jews are simply God's chosen people because of Abrahams decision to believe in "One God".The entire Bible,the book upon which all of you have built the foundation of your belief's,was written by a strict Monothestic people.God called Abraham out of the land of idolatry because of his faith that there is but "One God" and he was correct in his belief.The very foundation of heaven is bulit upon the apostles teaching and they also were srictly Monothestic.Now this promise is for you,me and the entire world if we chose to believe the truth of Dt 6:4.
---Robert_MacPhee_Jr. on 11/18/08

Dear John,
The Jewish nation's rejection of Jesus caused them, as a nation/people, to loose out on their inhertance which passed on to ALL
---Pierr7958 on 11/14/08

Not singling out Pierr...

Again. Complete answer to question found in the Marriage of GOD, the Divorce of GOD. All his Prophets speak of the remarriage to the divorced.
Most deny but, perhaps one will look. One Key word "Redeemed". To buy back. The two sticks. The new covenant Heb 8:8, Jer 31:31.
What most Christians don't realize they are this people. We are so indoctrinated that only Judah represents ALL Israel we cannot see it. GOD said he would hide the fact from them. I find this to be true.
---Trav on 11/18/08

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