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Why Are Crosses Displayed

Why is the cross displayed in and on the church buildings? Where in the BIBLE does it say we should put up the cross when the word states we live by faith and not by sight? Satan is not afraid of the cross but what happened on the cross. Friends, we all have to,Phil 2:12-13. GOD BLESS.
WAYNE.

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The Bible doesn't mention putting up a cross; the Cross is displayed as a symbol of what our faith is all about; living by faith and not by sight means that we believe in God, His teachings, and His promises, without having to see them for ourselves
---antha6445 on 7/31/07


anyone can display the x wherever,whenever,however,whatever and its a free choice. If its relevant to how they believe, then am sure God knows their hearts. Many use it as a reminder of Christ and I dont see any problems there. We SDAs dont display it but whom r we to say otherwise.We all have free choices.
---jana on 10/22/06


=1= Toby, at some time in their lives, any Believer may feel thier own personal convictions should be those of everyone else too, but we can only 'suggest' they become so, as even Paul occasionally did, IF they're not commmanded to be so by the LORD. I have used 'Father, Spirit, Lord, Savior, Christ, Messiah, Jesus' (and other names too) when I pray. When I'm alone, perhaps having just studied a passage in Hebrew, maybe I'll use some Hebrew in a prayer, but when discussing 'God' on this site, [cont.]
---danie9374 on 10/21/06


=2= there's really no Biblical reason not to use that word. 'God' (qeoV; 'theos') is used OVER ONE THOUSAND times in the New Testament to speak of God! How ever each Apostle personally addressed Him isn't discussed, but here's what Philippians 4:6 had to say: "Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God [theos]."
---danie9374 on 10/21/06


danie9374. Hi again. If you are happy to believe that "God" should be used when speaking of Our Father, His Son, demons and idols, well thats your choice. I was just trying to point out that he asks us to call him by his true name, and if you believe it is "God" then may your "God" go with you.
Peace be upon your house.
---Toby on 10/20/06




[-1-] Toby & anyone else concerned about using the word 'God' of YHWH; Let's look at how Scripture handles this: 1 Kings 8:60 says: "so that all the peoples of the earth may know that the LORD is God; there is no one else" and much later when the prophet Elijah dealt with the prophets of Baal and Asherah on Mt. Carmel he said in 1 Kings 18:21: "If the LORD is God, follow Him; but if Baal, follow him." The Hebrew text for LORD in these passages is... [cont.]
---danie9374 on 10/20/06


Toby asked if I believe in Jeremiah 33:3. Of course I do, but no where there (nor anywhere else) does YHWH God say we *must* address Him by a specific name for Him to hear our prayers! If YOU personally think using 'God' is offensive; then don't do it. But, YOU have no right to tell others they can't, SINCE YHWH NEVER SAID THAT! God wants us to be _sincere_ in our prayers and witness about Him; not 'formulistic' as most man-made religions are! He's not a force, but the One Who knows everything about us!
---danie9374 on 10/20/06


[-2-] 'YHWH' (the Sacred Name) and that for 'God' is 'elohim' (which can mean either 'God' or a 'false god'; depending upon the context). So there you have it, even Hebrew Scripture uses a word of YHWH that was often used of idols! In v.24 of the same passage, Elijah says to them: "you call on the name of your god [elohim], and I will call on the name of the LORD [YHWH], and the God [elohim] who answers by fire, He is God [elohim]." [Cont.]
---danie9374 on 10/19/06


[-3-] The phrase "LORD our God" is used 100 times; mostly in Hebrew with 'God'='elohim'. And Mark 12:29, kurioV o qeoV hmwn eis estin ('kurios ho theos hEmOn kurios eis estin') with 'God'='theos' is a translation of Deut. 6:4 "Hear O Israel, the LORD our God [again, elohim], the LORD is one!" So stop accusing Believers of not being spiritual if they use the word 'God'!
---danie9374 on 10/19/06


danie9374. I use KJV mostly and Strongs. I dont recommend Phil 2:12 tells us to work it out for ourselves. I have never heard of
"Sacred Name",or"Assemblies of Yahweh".My online is Blue letter bible as it has many ref points. I still wonder if Yahushua stood in front of you, would you question him to fit your ideas.Doyou believe Jere33:3. I believe that if our Father wants us to call him by his true name we better find it, and that goes for finding all the true Sabbath days also.
---Toby on 10/19/06




Toby: You never told us which Bible you use or would recommend every other Christian read! From what you've said, it seems at the very least you've been influenced by someone in 'Sacred Name' movement (or 'Assemblies of Yahweh' or whatever else they call themselves, if anything); most likely reading their material 'online'. You, or anyone else wondering about this, should read CN's BLOG "Yahshua, Jesus Or Yahweh" (1155677121.htm) for starters!
---danie9374 on 10/18/06


My "theory" is taken from historical facts regarding Roman crucifixions.
---Kay on 10/17/06


Hi Kay. Can you put scriptures to your theory
Cheers
---Toby on 10/17/06


"Again, as I said, we don't really know for sure what the cross/stake looked liked!"

The cross consisted of two parts. The part that Jesus carried through the "Via Dolorosa" and on to Golgotha was a crossbeam. After reaching Golgotha, the crossbeam was nailed to what you would call a stake. Jesus was then nailed to the crossbeam and His feet were nailed to the stake. The stake (or pole) and the crossbeam together made a cross. Therefore, Jesus was crucified on a cross.
---Kay on 10/16/06


danie9374.We either do it right,or wrong. Ex23:13 Make no mention of the names of OTHER mighty ones, nor let them be heard from your mouth. Theos=shine traced to the pagan sun diety, translated"God"/"god".Theos is not only a title it is the name of aGreek idol. Elohim=Mighty One/s, The Apostles didnt say "God",it was Elohim/Yahuweh If they didnt call our Father Elohim, and called him "Theos/God" then they would be guilty of breaking Ex23:13
---Toby on 10/16/06


Toby: ALL good English Bibles use the word 'God' to speak of Him, because the Apostles did the very same thing with the Greek word for 'God' (='theos') in their New Testament letters! I don't know of any Bible which capitalizes the word ('God') when speaking of idols! I never did! Furthermore, 'God' refers to ALL that He is; to His whole Triune existence, when there's no need to specify one of His three persons (SEE my recent entries in 'What Is The Trinity' blog). What Bible do you use Toby?
---danie9374 on 10/14/06


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danie9374 You clearly suggested that as the Father and the Son have the same nature they can be called "God". So I asked "Why would you call the Father and the Son the samename as "satan" is called? The Father, The Son, satan and idols are all translated as "God" Surely this is wrong, and it is, So we should find the correct names to use in all occasions.Your E.g. is further proof that we must prove ALL things so no mistake is made.
---Toby on 10/14/06


To be sure no one misunderstands my statement below: I did not say KJV readers of James2:3 won't know what that means; only that most cannot help but think about the other meaning 'constantly used by our media here'; also doubt anyone here would say anything like 'I feel really gay today!' Only mentioned it trying to get close to the same kind of 'feeling' for some, not a real analogy to diff. between 'cross' and 'stake'. Again, as I said, we don't really know for sure what the cross/stake looked liked!
---danie9374 on 10/14/06


Toby: What exactly did I write (and where), that prompted you to ask: "Why would you call the Father and the Son the samename as satan"?! Why such a 'defensive response' to my simply asking if you believed in Christ's Deity or not? I clearly showed I wasn't even disagreeing with the translation of 'stauros' as 'stake'; only that it's often associated with JWs, and that bothers many Believers. (E.g., who today in USA can read KJV James 2:3 without the wrong meaning of 'gay' coming into mind?)
---danie9374 on 10/13/06


danie9374 I do have a problem withpeople who deny the Word. The Father and Son have the same natureJn10:30.I have a text 1Thes5:21 test,examine,scrutinise,everything individually. Each name, checked Ps146:3"dont trust translators"Why would you call the Father and the Son the samename as satan 2Cor4:4 Why not find out their true names, not a translators faux pas.Are you a person who would have asked the Messiah his beliefs because they didnt "fit" yours?
---Toby on 10/13/06


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The cross to me is where my salvation began.But Jesus is no longer on the cross, He came down so, I don't hang on to the symbol anymore. As He said " It is finished." Margaret
---Margaret on 10/11/06


Toby: Don't you have a problem with people who deny that the WORD, Jesus Christ, the Messiah, has the same nature as the Father; therefore, can be called God? As I said, the JWs do talk about 'stake vs. cross' a great deal; so chances were high, but I did ask, never assumed (as others may have), if you were one. Can you PLEASE tell us what your beliefs are regarding the Deity of Christ?
---danie9374 on 10/11/06


** I was trying to point out that the cross is a pagan symbol and many wear it arround their neck and when they prey it is in front of them.**

Jesus sanctified the Cross with His precious blood.

If the very word "Cross" is foolishness to those who are perishing, how much more does its image censure them?
---Jack on 10/10/06


2..Pagan worship is forbidden to the people of the Almighty, even if it is mixed with True worship.That is the same today, yesterday and forever. Read Deut4:13-19.12:3
18:9,Lev20:23-26,Jere10:2-3,Eph4:17-22,2:1-4,
2 Cor10:14-21, John5:21,2 Kings17:33 v41.
James 4:4 is a serious warning to get it right, 2 Cor 4:2 a measuring stick for all.
---Toby on 10/10/06


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danie9374. 1st let me say I was not try to offend anyone, and I am sorry you took offence. 2nd I am not a JW but it appears that you have a problem with them? I was trying to point out that the cross is a pagan symbol and many wear it arround their neck and when they prey it is in front of them.Same as in and on top of "churches" They may not be praying to it as such but Ex20:4 still stands. We are told to look at what we are doing and work out our own salvation. cont2
---Toby on 10/10/06


The Cross should not be left out in churches. God's True people know the true meaning of Calvary. I hear a popular minister has a big globe in his church, no cross, what is that all about? He preaches a "man centered" doctrine, almost like a secular self-help guru, and many Christians' love his diluted teachings.
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/9/06


\1\ Oh, in my research for this topic, I found something interesting most probably don't know: The Romans of course, used 'crucifixion' widely for executing NON-Romans, and the Latin word for it is how we got our English word 'cross' (from 'crux'); but the Greek staurow (stauroO) was used in most of their 'empire' instead. Well long before that, when Jews translated Hebrew Scripture into Greek (the Septuagint), guess which word they used for [cont.]
---danie9374 on 10/9/06


\2\ the 'hanging' (Heb.: tAlAh) of Haman (Esther 7:9) on the gallows he built to kill the Jews? That's right, stau-ro-O(!) Now you can imagine this must have added a bit more 'detestableness' of crucifixion for any Jew who knew Greek (as Paul did), read the Septuagint passage about Haman and either saw or heard about Christ's 'stauroO' (crucifixion)!
---danie9374 on 10/9/06


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[6] but don't ever call my worship 'pagan' just because I happen to believe it was similar in shape to a small 't' (not a capital one); there had to be room for Pilate's inscription at top which he surely wouldn't hide! My beliefs have nothing to do with Tamuz. I caution those who believe in the LORD to be careful they don't jump to conclusions such as this and make ignorant associations about various words and symbols as well!
---danie9374 on 10/9/06


[5] who used a spear (not a sword) to pierce His side! Of course, their legs were still within reach of clubs. So, is it reasonable for a man to be able to 'carry' (Scripture does not say 'drag') even a tall 'stake' which would support his full weight for days? That's why many believe it was only a 'cross beam' (part of the whole cross) that was carried, Jesus' arms were nailed to that and then both it and His body placed on (or hoisted up) the 'stake part'. No one can be dogmatic about this,... [cont.]
---danie9374 on 10/9/06


[2] horrific object to Christians, but some try to turn it into something 'pretty' and adorable! That should make us sick. I have a difficult time with hymns that don't agree with Scripture, and 'I love that old cross' is one of them; the only way a Believer can honestly sing that, is if they SUBSTITUTE all Jesus did and is, for the word cross! I LOVE JESUS who died for our sin, *not* some old wooden instrument of torture and shame!!! I'll also be direct and forthright about your use of... [cont.]
---danie9374 on 10/9/06


[3] the word 'stake' (vs. cross) and why that bugs many Believers (esp. in USA): Until the 20th century, it prob. wouldn't have mattered much to many Protestant Christians. But this group called 'Jehovah's Witnesses' came along, who deny the Deity of Christ, and make much of this; always using 'stake' not cross! (It prob. doesn't help much that another 'cult' uses the same word, but for buildings.) The chances are most people who say what Toby is, are JWs; are you a Jehovah's Witness Toby? [Cont.]
---danie9374 on 10/9/06


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[4] You're correct in saying it's stauroV (stauros) and this Greek word's most basic meaning comes from 'to stand (up)' leading to an 'upright' piece of wood; then poles, fenced stockades, piles for foundations, etc. But Scripture doesn't spell out exactly what it meant at Christ's crucifixion; though there are descriptions it must agree with: It had to be somewhat tall (and proportionately heavy); note the phrases 'come down from' (not merely 'off') and the soldier [cont.]
---danie9374 on 10/9/06


[1]Toby: Whatever you or someone else does with a cross, I most certainly do *not* 'worship' one (as you said); and neither will any other true Believer!!! I worship my risen Lord who died for me on a cross and that's what the symbol truly stands for; His death and resurrection! Quite frankly there have been many signs and symbols throughout history which have meant something completley different depending upon what people used them. As John mentioned below, it should still be a... [cont.]
---danie9374 on 10/9/06


John your reasoning is ok, however it was a stake and the translators said "cross" instead so we have an ongoing from "Tammuz" pagan symbol being worshipped, worn, prayed to and in front of. Held up like an idol, placed on high.Ex20:4, Is44:9 And it is part of the sun diety the host of the heaven acts7:42 It is part of Satan worship"Easter Buns". Everytime it is worn around the neck and the person bows down the cross is before them. He hates it then and now. Heb 13:8
---Toby on 10/8/06


The cross shows God's powerful love to us, in that he voluntarily sacrificed his own life so that we can live. There is no greater love than this, that one will lay down his life for another. "For the word of the cross to those perishing is foolishness, but to us who are being saved it is power of God." I Corinthians 1:18.
---Eloy on 10/5/06


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Objects were used as a reminder in the old testament. The LORD said to Moses, "Make a snake and put it up on a pole; anyone who is bitten [by the snake] can look at it and live." People, being only human, usually needs an object to look upon to remind them of who they are. When you marry, don't you wear an object (the ring) to remind you (and the people around you) of your faith in your spouse?True Christians don't need this type of reminder because of their close faith relationship with God.
---Steveng on 10/5/06


Toby. Do you think that just becasue the cross is a pagan symbol that they wouldn't hang a criminal on it? I would say the more demoralizing the symbol the better they would like to use it. Just for this reason I would believe Jesus hung on the most horrible of symbols available. There is much history proving that Romans hung people on crosses.
---john on 10/5/06


Hi Wayne. 1 Was Yahushua nailed to a cross or a stake? "STAUROS" Stake or upright pole 2 Where did the cross come from? It is a sun symbol from Babylonian worship. Part of pagan sun worship.It can be dated back to the Tau cross of the ancient Egyptians. It was the sign of Bacchus the Babylonian Messiah. Phill 2:12b is so true. We cant just take it for granted that because someone says it it is true. Think on this
Scripture is true in exposing a lie in scripture?
---Toby on 10/5/06


Wayne, as mentioned below, whether shaped like a "T" (as is historically most likely) or some other 'cross', it's just a symbol used to distinguish a place or person as hopefully being 'Christian' compared to others. UNFORTUNATLEY, like so many aspects of true faith in Christ, prob. more UN-Biblical people use a cross today than real ones. As always, what's actually preached from Scripture (if at all!) counts more than outward appearances!
---danie9374 on 10/4/06


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Wayne: Personally, I think it is to make sure we don't accidentally find ourselves in : the Church of Scientology, Mormon Church, JW's and such. Because there are so many counter Christian churches.
Another reason I think is we are making a statement that we are not ashamed of the Gospel. We preach Jesus Christ! there are many reasons. I think it's good.
---kathr4453 on 10/4/06


I want to know if anyone knows when the tradition of displaying crosses on churches began. I have heard that it wasn't until the 3rd century.
Does anyone know?
---Cindy on 10/2/06


churches display crosses the same reason a bride wears an engagement ring, to remind us of how much we are loved, and the cost Jesus was willing to pay.
---gabriel on 8/3/05


The cross is a symbol of love, God's love for all people. It is the means by which He showed His love. Why shouldn't churches display the most precious symbol of God's love and use it as a visual reminder of that love?
---Madison on 6/28/05


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one is a reminder of what He did, one is to remind us he is no longer there, both repesent some thing to some one. I just hope that the crosses don't just get taken for granted. that whether Sat. or Sun. Christ died for us all and some times visuals remind us.
---laure5469 on 6/27/05


Cross vs. Crucifix?

There's a poem--an old evangelical hymn:

Christless cross no refuge is for me.
A crossless Christ my saviour could not be.
But, O Christ Crucified! I rest in thee.
---Jack on 6/27/05


I cannot find a Scripture that commands that we display a cross. So why do we do it?
Perhaps as a reminder -
.....looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. - Hebrews 12:2

The image of the cross is incredibly powerful. It angers some, comforts many and reminds us all of the love of God.
---barbara67 on 6/27/05


Dump all pictures of your loved ones and any visible reminder of what they have done for you, then talk about getting rid of crosses in churches.

WHERE in the Bible does it say that having crosses conflicts with "walking by faith and not by sight"?

While you're at it, please find a Bible verse that says we should NOT place crosses in Church buildings, or where Christians should have church buildings, period.

Do you see where this silly immature legalistic literalism leads?
---Jack on 6/27/05


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"For the word of the cross to those perishing is foolishness, but to us who are being saved it is power of God." I Corinthians 1:18.
---Eloy on 6/27/05


Often I think churchs have crosses just so people know its a church! Nothing wrong with that. Some people wear crosses as a witness of their Christianity to others, or as a reminder to themselves to keep their faith strong.Some just a piece of jewelry, unfortunately.
I don't like the ones with Christ still hanging on the cross. He is ALIVE, not still on a cross!
---NVBarbara on 6/27/05


Jesus died on the cross and this is a reminder of what HE did for us.Where better to display the cross then on or in God's house.
---Gert on 6/26/05


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