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What Is The Rapture

What is the rapture? I have heard so many conflicting views on this. Is it all false? Has it already happened? Will people really just vanish instantly? All seems like Sci-Fi. What is the truth about this rapture thing?

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//I believe in Covenant theology, Church is Israel today//
What tribe do you believe you are a member of?
While there are doctrinal gems and spiritual truths in Matthew-John, remember Pauls gospel in order to understand all things even things beyond the resurrection of Jesus.
Consider what I say, and the Lord give thee understanding in all things. 2 Tim 2:7
The gospel Christ gave to Paul is missing from Matthew-John, and so is called a mystery gospel (Rom 16:25, Eph 6:19).
Instead of trying to pattern after the Lords earthly ministry passed to his twelve apostles to Israel, we should start with Christ crucified and pattern our ministry after the heavenly message of the apostle of the Gentiles (Rom 11:13).
---michael_e on 4/23/14


Dear Michael if the words of JESUS to the Apostles are not for us. Then we should not read the Gospels.

Also the verse from Ephesians shows that Gentiles are now part of Israel. A doctrine that goes against the foundation of the Pre Tribulation rapture.

It is based on Futurism, Dispensationalism, Israel and the Church being two different groups also the 70 week gap theory.

Of which none are correct.
I believe in Covenant theology, Church is Israel today, Historicism and no gap in the 70 weeks.

Most who follow the pretrib rapture do not really know what Darby taught. I have studied his writings.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/23/14


Matt.24 was spoken by the Lord to the 12 as representatives of Israel.
Gentiles were not included

Eph 2: 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands, 12 that at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 but now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
---michael_e on 4/22/14


The rapture is when JESUS comes and gets his church. Which Matthew 24 says he is doing.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/22/14


I agree with michael_e here. Rapture and second coming are two different events.

When Jesus was born the Jews thought that was the second coming where Jesus would take his earthly throne. What they didn't realize was Jesus had to die and rise again in order for the Glorified Christ, Zechariah 14, to take the earthly throne.

When He comes to do that He will come with His saints, meaning US. ..His BODY.
---kathr4453 on 4/21/14




With all the different eschatologies, when does the following take place, or from some viewpoints is it allegorical?
John 14:2-3 In my Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself, that where I am, [there] ye may be also.
---micha9344 on 4/21/14


Small Problem Michael

Matthew 24 and Mark 13 are about the Rapture when JESUS comes to get his church. That is also the second coming. Many say I am wrong but then just say I am wrong and do not say why.

Revelation and Zechariah are picturing the day the New Jerusalem descends from Heaven and the Great White Throne Judgment is held.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 4/21/14


what is the rapture?
"I Cor 15:52" " another mystery,..." another secret. some refuse the concept of the Rapture, doing that they throw Paul away
I Thess 4:13-18
Jesus died and rose again. Paul's Gospel.
we go back with Him to the Judgment Seat of Christ,
Second Coming,
Zech 14. "...in that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives."
Acts one, "... 'why stand ye gazing up into Heaven, this same Jesus in like manner as you have seen him go, shall come again.'" . He left Head first! Hes coming, feet first, to stand on the Mount of Olives that will usher in the Kingdom.
Rapture, He comes for us. Second Coming, He comes with us.
---michael_e on 4/20/14


Jhn 14:2,3

In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself, that where I am, there ye may be also.

When JESUS comes back he is going to take us to heaven. Not make a U-turn and land on earth.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 4/18/14


//What you need to do is give scripture that contradicts St. John Chrysostom's teaching.//
You don't actually have any scripture to back up your U-turn theory do you?
---michael_e on 4/17/14




\\And you back this with what scripture?
---michael_e on 4/16/14\\

This is the original interpretation of the same scripture you think says the Lord does a U Turn in mid air.

What you need to do is give scripture that contradicts St. John Chrysostom's teaching.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/17/14


//We meet Him in the air and escort Him down to Earth, as St. John Chrysostom explained in the fourth century.//
And you back this with what scripture?
---michael_e on 4/16/14


Well Cluny we agree on no pretrib and no millennium of peace on earth.

The RCC used to teach that the Church would establish GOD's kingdom on earth and would bring about the coming of CHRIST. This is no longer generally taught but some groups still do.

So I cannot say we agree on the Coming of JESUS. But we do agree on your two points.

Agape.

Johannes your teaching still contradicts what the Secret Rapture doctrine teaches on the 70 weeks. So how can you believe in the pretrib rapture?
---Samuelbbu on 4/16/14


The Rapture is the gathering of believers, living and dead, aka general resurrection, to be with Christ when He returns at the end of the Tribulation as Judge. We meet Him in the air and escort Him down to Earth, as St. John Chrysostom explained in the fourth century.

There is no such thing as an earthly millennium or pre-trib rapture.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/16/14


The time table since Abraham:

If ~ 2152.25 BC + 2014 = 4166.25 years / 500 = 8.3325

= ~8 1/3

1/3 - 0. 3325 = 1/9

1/9 x 500 = 55 1/{1.8}

70 AD Jubilee + 500 + 500 + 500 + 500 - 50 1 Jubilee and 6 years = 2014.

40 Jubilee periods take back 1.
---johannes_davsidon on 4/15/14


Dear yohannes_davsidon

The problem is that the time table taught by Hal Lindsey, Darby and the other pretrib rapture people does not match what you place here.

So if you are correct then the founder or pretrib rapture is wrong and the whole theory falls apart.

Do you know the time table of the Pretrib 70 weeks?

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 4/15/14


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Hello!

1. Dispensationalism.

2. Futurism

3.Gap theory in the seventy weeks.

1. Dispensationalism was the view of across time periods Prophecy 1-4 Seals, 1-7 Churches.

2. Futurism was the belief that the bulk of the Prophecy was concerning the Appointed time which was set at: 1335 days or 44 1/2 months or 3.655 years.

3. The Gap theory was concerning the Diaspora, as well. For example: established State of Israel 1948...

{70 x 7} + 10 Jubilees = 500 years.

If circa ~4006 years have passed since Abraham: /500 = 8.012 periods.

0.012 x 500 = 6 years. 2008.

If Saul was in ~ 1121 BC + 2014 = 3135 years.

If 1335 BC since Moses + 2014 = 3349,

1335 - 1121 = 21 4 years.
---yohannes_davsidon on 4/14/14


We who do not believe in the pre-tribulation do not have to throw out any part of the Bible. We have to use all the Bible together and not pick the parts that have to be cobbled together by ignoring parts of the Bible.

The Rapture theory sits on certain presumptions.

1. Dispensationalism.

2. Futurism

3.Gap theory in the seventy weeks.

4. this is actually part of two of the above. The Church is separate from Israel. So the prophecies of the Old Testament will still be give to Israel.

Jews and those who are not blessed with endure huge tribulation and many die. But the lucky ones get away with no problems.

This in spite of the fact thousands of Christians are dying right now every year.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/14/14


They Will go to war with the false prophet gog, as written.
---Johannes_Davsidon on 4/13/14


The time of the commerce wars with all of the nations on earth is written.

Do you think that the present rulers will not do so? It says that they will.
---Johannes_Davsidon on 4/11/14


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I Cor 15:52 "Behold, I show you a mystery, We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."
These teachings found only in Paul. "Behold I show you another mystery,..."( Secret not known before) Some refuse the concept of the Rapture, and when they do that, they have to throw Paul away first. Because Paul makes so much of it, probably the clearest language in I Thess 4:13-18
---michael_e on 12/28/12


Per holy scripture there is no rapture, per many false Christians who have been deceived into believing this doctrine of demons they continue to promote this non-biblical idea.

The Lord warned Believers that many would come in his name to deceive. The rapture theory is found nowhere in holy scripture. The verses the deceived use to sell this doctrine of demons cannot be tied back to any other scripture. In other words, they have taken one verse and made a doctrine from it, and if you carefully listen to their sales pitch you will find most of the extra words are ideas spawned off of the verses they use - they must add to holy scripture to complete the rapture theory and Gods plain warning is to not add to his words.
---Follower_of_Christ on 12/28/12


The rapture occurs in Revelation chapter 11, and only two witnesses are involved. this is not a lot of people, so don't expect millions to be caught up. Raptures are typically for the few like Elijah and apostle Paul. I believe this rapture has already happened for atleast one person I know.
---Joshua on 12/13/12


Q:What is the rapture?
A:A theological term taken from the Latin word 'rapturo' for "caught up" in 1 Thessalonians 4:17. The Greek word for "caught up" is "Harpazo".

Q:Is it all false?
A:Conflicting views on when it will happen are so because they interpret the verses differently. Only one view is correct.

Q:Has it already happened?
A:No. If it had, all Christians would have been caught up to heaven.

Q:Will people really just vanish instantly?
A:No. In Greek "Disapparate" comes from the Latin, 'dispareo' meaning, to disappear. Such a word is not in the Bible text concerning the rapture.
---jan4378 on 12/8/12


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The word rapture does not appear in the KJV Bible, but the concept does in [Mark 13:26-27, 1 Thess. 4:16-17, 1 Corin. 15:51-52]. Means to "snatch away" or carry off".....Pretribulational view... Christ raptures the church before any part of the seven-year tribulation begins. Upon Christ's coming in the air, which is distinct from and that precedes His coming to the earth, believers will be "caught up together....in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air". In this view believers are delivered "from the coming wrath" [1 Thess. 1:10, Rev. 3:10] by being taken out of the world.
---pat on 10/21/12


At the time of the rapture, the world is not judged for sin, but descends deeper into sin. At the second coming, the world is judged by the King of kings.
The translation of the church is pictured as a deliverance from the day of wrath, whereas the coming of Christ is a deliverance for those who have suffered under severe tribulation.
The rapture is imminent whereas there are specific signs which precede the second coming.
The translation of living believers is a truth revealed only in the NT. The second coming with the events surrounding it is prominent in both OT and NT.
The rapture is only for the saved, while the tribulation and second coming deals with the entire world.

---michael_e on 10/20/12


The basic idea of "the Rapture" is that Jesus will come back to receive His Bride church. People who are still alive will be changed into their glorified bodies, without dying. Note 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, but this does not say Jesus comes back before the great trib.

Jesus says, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days" . . . He will appear and His angels will gather His "elect" > Matthew 24:29-31.

Nowhere does the Bible clearly say Jesus will come back before the great trib. So, the pre-trib belief is not a plainly written part of the New Testament which was payed for by Jesus Christ's shed blood.
---willie_c: on 10/20/12


the rapture is a fantasy based doctrine of devils. there is no support of this story in holy scripture, although for those who follow their false ministers teaching this nonsense, in order to accept this false doctrine it is necessary to misrepresent 3 or 4 sentences in holy scripture, while simultaneously overlooking dozens of scriptures that prove this doctrine of devils wrong. there is no rapture because it is not written in the word of God
---Follower_of_Christ on 10/20/12


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All Catholics and everyone else should Google "Catholics Did NOT Invent the Rapture." A must read!
---Jon on 10/15/12


Just found an intriguing little item on the net. Google "Catholicism Invented the Rapture? C'mon!" Excellent and informative!
---Jon on 10/8/12


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No,it is not false
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Antonio
Ok and the "misfortunate who believe Gods Truth" as I am to you in your opinion ...doesn't speak much from Gods Word ...God tells us to prove all things ...just "believing" on a theory makes Christians fall for any false preacher
---Rhonda on 3/26/08


No,it is not false and I can tell you this much that those whom are misfortuned enough to have to stay here don't excpect a granny huge.
---Antonio on 3/26/08


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....then (unsupported by scripture) Christ comes back again AFTER the Last Trump (making this His 3rd Coming)

Either way - Rapture theory believes this verse is taking them away from the tribulation

Except this verse clearly states Christs return to earth ...so they must find another time Christ collects them (or) understand they are getting collected when Christ returns ...which means they will be going through the tribulation
---Rhonda on 3/26/08


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Christ warned true Christians in Matt 24:23-27 there would be many false Christs at the end of the ages - Christ only returns ONCE and only AFTER Satan is defeated and bound

To believe in "rapture theory" one must put aside Gods Truth ...by doing so nullifying Gods Word believing that Christ will come in the clouds (secretly) even though the scriptures state it's the Last Trump (all the earth will hear when He defeats Satan) making this His Second Coming
---Rhonda on 3/26/08


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Pardon me (not 1600), 1545 council of trent Jesuit priests Ribera, Bellamine, Alcasar, created futurism to remove the established church from their role in the book of Revelation ..it was created in response to the reformers who identified the established church as the antichrist ...a few hundred years later Darby then Scofield created dispensationalism using futurism as their starting point - inventing the secret rapture
---Rhonda on 3/26/08


Rapture theorists use I Corinthians 15:50-53 as to the time Christ will "rapture" his people ...unfortuneatly this is false ...this verse talks about the LAST TRUMP which is when Christ RETURNS to earth to set up his Kingdom ...supported by Rev 11:15, 1Thess 4:15-16.

This LAST Trump is what ALL of the earth will hear ...those who survive Gods Wrath will hear this trump so it will not be secret and Gods wrath has already come and gone
---Rhonda on 3/26/08


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Please show me where Catholic's taught the rapture!
---Ruben on 3/26/08

Didn't post they TAUGHT it ...I posted they DEVELOPED the theory
---Rhonda on 3/26/08


apture theory developed around 1600 by catholics to take pressure off of their religious system because many began teaching they were the great whore in Revelation .

so ironically it's a theory developed by catholics to protect themselves ...later it was adopted by protestants

rapture is just another false teaching ...Christ said many (not a few) would come in HIS name teaching false doctrines
---Rhonda on 3/26/08



Please show me where Catholic's taught the rapture!
---Ruben on 3/26/08


rapture theory developed around 1600 by catholics to take pressure off of their religious system because many began teaching they were the great whore in Revelation ..it worked talk died down ...(mid 1600's) rapture began circulating again taking off from there

so ironically it's a theory developed by catholics to protect themselves ...later it was adopted by protestants

rapture is just another false teaching ...Christ said many (not a few) would come in HIS name teaching false doctrines
---Rhonda on 3/26/08


Please pay attention to me. I come from God. I speak His words. Please do not listen to these devils on here.>>>Rapture. To snatch from one place and put in another. Jesus will come again. With those who have died in Christ and join them in the air with those Christians who are still alive. Note: The word Rapture does not appear in the Bible, but the concept does. [Mark 13:26-27, 1 Thess. 4:16-17]. That sounds like the most far fetched thing that I have ever heard of in my life. Not to me.
---catherine on 3/26/08


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There is no tribulation period all Christians go through tribulation, through much tribulation we enter the kingdom of God. There is no rapture like you talk about this is false doctrine. God is not the God of the dead but the living, the term asleep is only used because those in Christ never die they are with him as soon as their spirit leaves their body, every day 280,000 spirits leave this earth and are caught up to meet Jesus in the air.
---exzucuh on 3/25/08


When are you people going to read the bible and stop quoting the lies of man. Have you not read where Jesus met with Elijah and Moses, Moses died by the hand of God and he was in heaven, the transfiguration was to show us how easily the spirit can be transformed out of the flesh and operate as a spiritual body, Jesus said the things I do ye shall do also. Do you believe Jesus and his word are your denominational doctrine.
---exzucuh on 3/25/08


The rapture is just escapism doctrine people thinking persecution will not happen to them they will go in the rapture. Salvation through the blood of his cross is the way of escape you replace it with the rapture and you will find yourself in hell. When there was crosses as far as the eye can see and the early church and apostles were nailed to them
by Nero that was the greatest tribulation the church had ever seen. and have not seen since.
---exzucuh on 3/25/08


#1 When the word rapture is used, we are actually talking about the resurrectionof the dead and the out-resurrection that the apostle Paul wrote about in Phil. 3:11. This is nothing less than what is found in I Thes. 4:17- Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds. The out-resurrection happens to those that are alive at Christ's return.
---Debbie_Jo on 3/25/08


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#2 Those that are asleep are those that have physically died in Christ and their bodies are waiting to be resurrected and given their glorified bodies. All believers who have passed from this life are termed as "asleep," that is because they never die and are indeed just asleep. this resurrection of the living and the asleep will occur 30 days before the tribulation period begins.
---Debbie_Jo on 3/25/08


#3 There will be other resurrections between the beginning and the middle of the 7 year period. This will take place in the twinkling of an eye, or 1/16 hundreds of a second - fast.
---Debbie_Jo on 3/25/08


The Bride will Escape, Just as Noah and his Family did...
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 3/25/08



They did not escape, they were "Left Behind", they survive...
---Ruben on 3/25/08


The Bride will Escape, Just as Noah and his Family did...
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 3/25/08


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The scripture you are using out of context. Paul was comforting those who had lost loved ones and telling them they would not rot in the ground but were already with Jesus and when he returned to set up his kingdom that the ones that were alive at his return and the ones already with the Lord that were in Christ returning with him, the ones on the earth would join them in the air and all would be glorified together. And the Earth and heaven would marry and become one kingdom, and one dwelling place
---exzucuh on 3/24/08


The rapture was never invented. The rapture is a term used as a snatching away or carry off. The latin term is [rapio] There are plenty of scriptures which explains this very exciting time for God's people. No need to be confused read and study please: Rev. 20:2-7, 1 Thess. 4:15-17, John 14:1-3,and 1 Cor. 15:51-52.
---catherine on 3/24/08


The "rapture" was invented by a cult in England in the 1820's. The Protestants of their day renouced them as heretics. It's a money-making scam.
---Greyrider on 3/24/08


17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
---Debbie_in_Ohio on 3/15/07


It looks like they were the only ones there, some bible verse say :"After that, we who are still alive and are left "(left behind)
---Ruben on 3/21/08


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You can get a reasonable scholarly explanation by doing the following Google search "Rapture Theory History" include the quotes at either end to make it a literal search key. There will be only one hit, the link should take you to a page titled The Pretribulation Rapture: Fact or Fiction, Truth or Hoax? You can not do this subject justice in 85 words. There are Theological Dictionaries and Topical Bibles on line, use them. You are not going to get good answers from the Blogs.
---phia4633 on 3/21/08


1 Thessalonians 4 verses 16-17 describes the rapture:

"16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
---Debbie_in_Ohio on 3/15/07


The separation of the wheat [believers..Tribulation Saints] from the Tares [unbelievers], will be done 'after' "The Rapture" and "The Great tribulation Period", also known as "Jacob's Trouble", and immediately 'before' "The Millenial Period" on earth. Matt.25;31-46. God Bless & Maranatha!
---bob6749 on 7/22/05


God the Creator, created us to have dominion over His creation. He that fears the Lord, those blessed of the Lord, and the meek (not timid nor arrogant, but humble)shall inherit the earth; the wicked, cursed, unrighteous, the evildoers shall be cut off, Psalm 25:13; 37: 11,22.
No disappearing. When the Lord returns,His glory shall fill the heavens and the earth, and the trumpets will sound; those bearing the image of the heavenly shall rise to meet Him.I Cor 15: 49-52.
Esthe9449
---Esther on 7/20/05


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The Bottom Line? Best to KNOW The Shepherd, than the psalms [or scriptures], "the letter killeth, The Spirit gives life"! Ask the Galileans first chosen as disciples by Christ! Saul of Tarsus was a late exception, as God educated & prepared Saul in much the same way Moses was, before and after their calling. Neither being aware of how God would use them! Rom.11:33-36. God Bless & Maranatha!
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 7/19/05


The word or term rapture though not found in the scriptures, is as accurate and acceptable analogy of this 'mind boggling' event as you'll find without altering the writings of Paul's God inspired epistles. The term raptures parallels the term Christian in accuracy [though not directly found in the scriptures, everyone knows what & who it represents], 'coined' or first used describing The Lord's disciples by those at Antioch. God Bless & Maranatha!
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 7/19/05


It is a provision of God to separate the tares(weeds) from the wheat..taken out of the world, put on incorruptibility..changed to spritual..flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God..quickened and saved apart.How? When? Why? He knows.. trust Him.
---Rebecca on 7/19/05


"Rapture" (the word), is not found in the Bible. The closest explaination of the Rapture is in I Corinthians 15:52.
The words used are, "twinkling of an eye ...."
---Ray on 7/19/05


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What is called "Rapture" is a post-tribulation experience and was never called "Rapture". This has been the teaching of the "Church" since early times accepted by Both Catholic bodies and Early Protestant Reformers. The Pretribulation claim by John Darby in the early 1800s is False Teaching. The Med-tribulation clain is likewise False Teaching.
---phia4633 on 7/19/05


bob6749_[Elishama], i was just emailing sister Barbara about that old movie. i watched "Apocalypse" and "Vanished" tonight. Excellent. Yes, the rapture will happen just as recorded in I Thessalonians 4:13-18 through I Thessalonians 5:11.
---Eloy on 7/16/05


Ever see the film, "A Thief In The Night", and it's sequels? An alter call was made after it, those responding almost ran over the sponsor in the process. Young people, some maybe hearing and seeing The Gospel for the first time! Ezek.3:1-9, 10-21, 22-27. Maranatha!
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 7/15/05


Every person(s) eyes that is alive and 'missed' "The Rapture, or Great Catching Away", as The Church has to spend 7 earth years at "The Marriage Feast Of The Lamb" first, [Tribulation Period/Jacob's Trouble on earth], being "The Bride of Christ". Bottom Line, IT"S GOING TO HAPPEN, [SOON]! Rev.19:7-11, 12-24, Jude (14)-'25', Rev.1:1-(3). Don't Listen For It, It's Tuned For Certain Ears To Hear [Church Not mentioned after Rev.3:22, til Rev.22:16, '20']Maranatha!
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 7/15/05


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Jerry, You don't have to convince me. The Rapture is NOT secret. It is of course selective. ONLY Christians will be involved.
If the rapture was secret then God would not have said so much about it in the Scriptures.
Thanks for your informative post.
---Elder on 7/2/05


Elder: The rapture and the second coming are concurrent events. There is no other reasonable interpretation of 1 Thes 4:13-18. Jesus never touches the earth; Both the living righteous and the newly-resurrected righteous dead meet the Lord in the air. He comes in the clouds and every eye shall see Him (Rev 1:7). This is NOT a secret rapture - there is no such thing in scripture. Like evolution, it is a man-made theory of no factual substance whatever.
---Jerry6593 on 7/2/05


Pierr7958 thank you I did send my address but will do it again. I look forward to your information.

One difference in the Rapture and Second Coming is that Jesus never sets foot on the earth during the Rapture.
---Elder on 6/28/05


1 Thessalonians 4 verses 16-17 "16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." coming events.1.(next).Rapture..2.(on earth) so called 7 years trib.3...Jesus's return in glory...4. thousand year reign..5.final judgement
---Kary on 6/28/05


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Yes the rapture is true read 1 thesolonian. 4th chapture read the whole chapture
---Min_kyle on 6/28/05


Rapture-Jesus takes HIS bride out of this world.
2nd Coming...Jesus defeated the forces of Satan and sets up his 1,000 year Kingdom.
---Larry on 6/28/05


Dear Elder,
I do agree that a few people have been raptured and many more will be at His 2nd coming. I am still waiting for your postal adress so I can send you FREE OF CHARGE some more imfo on the subject and you in turn could direct and show me from the Bible that there is "THE secret RAPTURE" and the 2nd COMING as TWO seperate events. God bless!
---Pierr7958 on 6/28/05


Pierr, the word Rapture is not in the Bible. The event is. God lifted up Noah in the ark and he never experienced the judgement that others did.
You have given a lot of information but you have the Second Coming and Rapture mixed together. They are two separate events.
You can't throw all ingredients listed in a cook book into a pan and expect to make a cake.
You can't list all Scripture pertaining to the Rapture and the Second Coming together and expect to make sense out of it either.
---Elder on 6/28/05


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The rapture is the catching away of the saints found in I Thessalonians 4:17. Please read I Thessalonians 4:13 up to I Thessalonians 5:11; and Matthew chapter 24. And in Matthew 24:22 he tells us that he will come earlier then what was planned.
---Eloy on 6/28/05


Cont from before: HIS COMING WILL NOT BE SECRET the: LIKE A THIEF points to SURPRISE not SECRECY RIGHTEOUS/LOST are present at His coming.Righteous will live through tribulatons, (Ex. Enforcement of Sunday laws.) not raptured before.
NoTE REV 15:8 No man can enter the heaven(ly) temple until after the plagues. Also 2 THE 2:8 last major ANTI-Christ to be revealed BEFORE Jesus comes back + will be destroyed by Jch's brightness.
---Pierr7958 on 6/27/05


cANDICE, RAPTURE is not in the Bible, term used to refer to Chrit's Second Coming and the saints' being lifted up to meet Jesus in the air.
Bible says:
REV 1:7 When Jesus returns EVERY EYE WIL SEE HIM (not secret)
MAT 24:27 like a LIGHTNING FLAsHING.. (visible)
1TES 4:16-17 an AUDIBLE EVENT/trompet (loud and visible)
REV 6:14-17 the UNRIGHTEOUS afraid, call on rock to fall on them
ISA 25:9 the RIGHTEOUS-who are there ALSO,
are delighted to see Him come
REV 22:11-12/17-20
---Pierr7958 on 6/27/05


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