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Ok and the "misfortunate who believe Gods Truth" as I am to you in your opinion ...doesn't speak much from Gods Word ...God tells us to prove all things ...just "believing" on a theory makes Christians fall for any false preache |
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---Rhonda on 3/26/08 |
No,it is not false and I can tell you this much that those whom are misfortuned enough to have to stay here don't excpect a granny huge. |
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---Antonio on 3/26/08 |
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....then (unsupported by scripture) Christ comes back again AFTER the Last Trump (making this His 3rd Coming)
Either way - Rapture theory believes this verse is taking them away from the tribulation
Except this verse clearly states Christs return to earth ...so they must find another time Christ collects them (or) understand they are getting collected when Christ returns ...which means they will be going through the tribulation |
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---Rhonda on 3/26/08 |
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Christ warned true Christians in Matt 24:23-27 there would be many false Christs at the end of the ages - Christ only returns ONCE and only AFTER Satan is defeated and bound
To believe in "rapture theory" one must put aside Gods Truth ...by doing so nullifying Gods Word believing that Christ will come in the clouds (secretly) even though the scriptures state it's the Last Trump (all the earth will hear when He defeats Satan) making this His Second Coming |
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---Rhonda on 3/26/08 |
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Pardon me (not 1600), 1545 council of trent Jesuit priests Ribera, Bellamine, Alcasar, created futurism to remove the established church from their role in the book of Revelation ..it was created in response to the reformers who identified the established church as the antichrist ...a few hundred years later Darby then Scofield created dispensationalism using futurism as their starting point - inventing the secret rapture |
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---Rhonda on 3/26/08 |
Rapture theorists use I Corinthians 15:50-53 as to the time Christ will "rapture" his people ...unfortuneatly this is false ...this verse talks about the LAST TRUMP which is when Christ RETURNS to earth to set up his Kingdom ...supported by Rev 11:15, 1Thess 4:15-16.
This LAST Trump is what ALL of the earth will hear ...those who survive Gods Wrath will hear this trump so it will not be secret and Gods wrath has already come and gone |
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---Rhonda on 3/26/08 |
Please show me where Catholic's taught the rapture!
---Ruben on 3/26/08
Didn't post they TAUGHT it ...I posted they DEVELOPED the theory |
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---Rhonda on 3/26/08 |
apture theory developed around 1600 by catholics to take pressure off of their religious system because many began teaching they were the great whore in Revelation .
so ironically it's a theory developed by catholics to protect themselves ...later it was adopted by protestants
rapture is just another false teaching ...Christ said many (not a few) would come in HIS name teaching false doctrines
---Rhonda on 3/26/08
Please show me where Catholic's taught the rapture! |
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---Ruben on 3/26/08 |
apture theory developed around 1600 by catholics to take pressure off of their religious system because many began teaching they were the great whore in Revelation ..it worked talk died down ...(mid 1600's) rapture began circulating again taking off from there
so ironically it's a theory developed by catholics to protect themselves ...later it was adopted by protestants
rapture is just another false teaching ...Christ said many (not a few) would come in HIS name teaching false doctrines |
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---Rhonda on 3/26/08 |
Please pay attention to me. I come from God. I speak His words. Please do not listen to these devils on here.>>>Rapture. To snatch from one place and put in another. Jesus will come again. With those who have died in Christ and join them in the air with those Christians who are still alive. Note: The word Rapture does not appear in the Bible, but the concept does. [Mark 13:26-27, 1 Thess. 4:16-17]. That sounds like the most far fetched thing that I have ever heard of in my life. Not to me. |
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---catherine on 3/26/08 |
There is no tribulation period all Christians go through tribulation, through much tribulation we enter the kingdom of God. There is no rapture like you talk about this is false doctrine. God is not the God of the dead but the living, the term asleep is only used because those in Christ never die they are with him as soon as their spirit leaves their body, every day 280,000 spirits leave this earth and are caught up to meet Jesus in the air. |
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---exzucuh on 3/25/08 |
When are you people going to read the bible and stop quoting the lies of man. Have you not read where Jesus met with Elijah and Moses, Moses died by the hand of God and he was in heaven, the transfiguration was to show us how easily the spirit can be transformed out of the flesh and operate as a spiritual body, Jesus said the things I do ye shall do also. Do you believe Jesus and his word are your denominational doctrine. |
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---exzucuh on 3/25/08 |
The rapture is just escapism doctrine people thinking persecution will not happen to them they will go in the rapture. Salvation through the blood of his cross is the way of escape you replace it with the rapture and you will find yourself in hell. When there was crosses as far as the eye can see and the early church and apostles were nailed to them
by Nero that was the greatest tribulation the church had ever seen. and have not seen since. |
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---exzucuh on 3/25/08 |
#1 When the word rapture is used, we are actually talking about the resurrectionof the dead and the out-resurrection that the apostle Paul wrote about in Phil. 3:11. This is nothing less than what is found in I Thes. 4:17- Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds. The out-resurrection happens to those that are alive at Christ's return. |
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---Debbie_Jo on 3/25/08 |
#2 Those that are asleep are those that have physically died in Christ and their bodies are waiting to be resurrected and given their glorified bodies. All believers who have passed from this life are termed as "asleep," that is because they never die and are indeed just asleep. this resurrection of the living and the asleep will occur 30 days before the tribulation period begins. |
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---Debbie_Jo on 3/25/08 |
#3 There will be other resurrections between the beginning and the middle of the 7 year period. This will take place in the twinkling of an eye, or 1/16 hundreds of a second - fast. |
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---Debbie_Jo on 3/25/08 |
The Bride will Escape, Just as Noah and his Family did...
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 3/25/08
They did not escape, they were "Left Behind", they survive... |
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---Ruben on 3/25/08 |
The scripture you are using out of context. Paul was comforting those who had lost loved ones and telling them they would not rot in the ground but were already with Jesus and when he returned to set up his kingdom that the ones that were alive at his return and the ones already with the Lord that were in Christ returning with him, the ones on the earth would join them in the air and all would be glorified together. And the Earth and heaven would marry and become one kingdom, and one dwelling place |
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---exzucuh on 3/24/08 |
The rapture was never invented. The rapture is a term used as a snatching away or carry off. The latin term is [rapio] There are plenty of scriptures which explains this very exciting time for God's people. No need to be confused read and study please: Rev. 20:2-7, 1 Thess. 4:15-17, John 14:1-3,and 1 Cor. 15:51-52. |
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---catherine on 3/24/08 |
The "rapture" was invented by a cult in England in the 1820's. The Protestants of their day renouced them as heretics. It's a money-making scam. |
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---Greyrider on 3/24/08 |
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
---Debbie_in_Ohio on 3/15/07
It looks like they were the only ones there, some bible verse say :"After that, we who are still alive and are left "(left behind) |
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---Ruben on 3/21/08 |
You can get a reasonable scholarly explanation by doing the following Google search "Rapture Theory History" include the quotes at either end to make it a literal search key. There will be only one hit, the link should take you to a page titled The Pretribulation Rapture: Fact or Fiction, Truth or Hoax? You can not do this subject justice in 85 words. There are Theological Dictionaries and Topical Bibles on line, use them. You are not going to get good answers from the Blogs. |
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---phia4633 on 3/21/08 |
1 Thessalonians 4 verses 16-17 describes the rapture:
"16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." |
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---Debbie_in_Ohio on 3/15/07 |
The separation of the wheat [believers..Tribulation Saints] from the Tares [unbelievers], will be done 'after' "The Rapture" and "The Great tribulation Period", also known as "Jacob's Trouble", and immediately 'before' "The Millenial Period" on earth. Matt.25;31-46. God Bless & Maranatha! |
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---bob6749 on 7/22/05 |
God the Creator, created us to have dominion over His creation. He that fears the Lord, those blessed of the Lord, and the meek (not timid nor arrogant, but humble)shall inherit the earth; the wicked, cursed, unrighteous, the evildoers shall be cut off, Psalm 25:13; 37: 11,22.
No disappearing. When the Lord returns,His glory shall fill the heavens and the earth, and the trumpets will sound; those bearing the image of the heavenly shall rise to meet Him.I Cor 15: 49-52.
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---Esther on 7/20/05 |
The Bottom Line? Best to KNOW The Shepherd, than the psalms [or scriptures], "the letter killeth, The Spirit gives life"! Ask the Galileans first chosen as disciples by Christ! Saul of Tarsus was a late exception, as God educated & prepared Saul in much the same way Moses was, before and after their calling. Neither being aware of how God would use them! Rom.11:33-36. God Bless & Maranatha! |
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---bob6749_[Elishama] on 7/19/05 |
The word or term rapture though not found in the scriptures, is as accurate and acceptable analogy of this 'mind boggling' event as you'll find without altering the writings of Paul's God inspired epistles. The term raptures parallels the term Christian in accuracy [though not directly found in the scriptures, everyone knows what & who it represents], 'coined' or first used describing The Lord's disciples by those at Antioch. God Bless & Maranatha! |
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---bob6749_[Elishama] on 7/19/05 |
It is a provision of God to separate the tares(weeds) from the wheat..taken out of the world, put on incorruptibility..changed to spritual..flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God..quickened and saved apart.How? When? Why? He knows.. trust Him. |
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---Rebecca on 7/19/05 |
"Rapture" (the word), is not found in the Bible. The closest explaination of the Rapture is in I Corinthians 15:52.
The words used are, "twinkling of an eye ...." |
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---Ray on 7/19/05 |
What is called "Rapture" is a post-tribulation experience and was never called "Rapture". This has been the teaching of the "Church" since early times accepted by Both Catholic bodies and Early Protestant Reformers. The Pretribulation claim by John Darby in the early 1800s is False Teaching. The Med-tribulation clain is likewise False Teaching. |
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---phia4633 on 7/19/05 |
ob6749_[Elishama], i was just emailing sister Barbara about that old movie. i watched "Apocalypse" and "Vanished" tonight. Excellent. Yes, the rapture will happen just as recorded in I Thessalonians 4:13-18 through I Thessalonians 5:11. |
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---Eloy on 7/16/05 |
Ever see the film, "A Thief In The Night", and it's sequels? An alter call was made after it, those responding almost ran over the sponsor in the process. Young people, some maybe hearing and seeing The Gospel for the first time! Ezek.3:1-9, 10-21, 22-27. Maranatha! |
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---bob6749_[Elishama] on 7/15/05 |
Every person(s) eyes that is alive and 'missed' "The Rapture, or Great Catching Away", as The Church has to spend 7 earth years at "The Marriage Feast Of The Lamb" first, [Tribulation Period/Jacob's Trouble on earth], being "The Bride of Christ". Bottom Line, IT"S GOING TO HAPPEN, [SOON]! Rev.19:7-11, 12-24, Jude (14)-'25', Rev.1:1-(3). Don't Listen For It, It's Tuned For Certain Ears To Hear [Church Not mentioned after Rev.3:22, til Rev.22:16, '20']Maranatha! |
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---bob6749_[Elishama] on 7/15/05 |
Jerry, You don't have to convince me. The Rapture is NOT secret. It is of course selective. ONLY Christians will be involved.
If the rapture was secret then God would not have said so much about it in the Scriptures.
Thanks for your informative post. |
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---Elder on 7/2/05 |
Elder: The rapture and the second coming are concurrent events. There is no other reasonable interpretation of 1 Thes 4:13-18. Jesus never touches the earth; Both the living righteous and the newly-resurrected righteous dead meet the Lord in the air. He comes in the clouds and every eye shall see Him (Rev 1:7). This is NOT a secret rapture - there is no such thing in scripture. Like evolution, it is a man-made theory of no factual substance whatever. |
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---Jerry6593 on 7/2/05 |
Pierr7958 thank you I did send my address but will do it again. I look forward to your information.
One difference in the Rapture and Second Coming is that Jesus never sets foot on the earth during the Rapture. |
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---Elder on 6/28/05 |
1 Thessalonians 4 verses 16-17 "16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." coming events.1.(next).Rapture..2.(on earth) so called 7 years trib.3...Jesus's return in glory...4. thousand year reign..5.final judgement |
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---Kary on 6/28/05 |
Yes the rapture is true read 1 thesolonian. 4th chapture read the whole chapture |
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---Min_kyle on 6/28/05 |
Rapture-Jesus takes HIS bride out of this world.
2nd Coming...Jesus defeated the forces of Satan and sets up his 1,000 year Kingdom. |
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---Larry on 6/28/05 |
Dear Elder,
I do agree that a few people have been raptured and many more will be at His 2nd coming. I am still waiting for your postal adress so I can send you FREE OF CHARGE some more imfo on the subject and you in turn could direct and show me from the Bible that there is "THE secret RAPTURE" and the 2nd COMING as TWO seperate events. God bless! |
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---Pierr7958 on 6/28/05 |
Pierr, the word Rapture is not in the Bible. The event is. God lifted up Noah in the ark and he never experienced the judgement that others did.
You have given a lot of information but you have the Second Coming and Rapture mixed together. They are two separate events.
You can't throw all ingredients listed in a cook book into a pan and expect to make a cake.
You can't list all Scripture pertaining to the Rapture and the Second Coming together and expect to make sense out of it either. |
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---Elder on 6/28/05 |
The rapture is the catching away of the saints found in I Thessalonians 4:17. Please read I Thessalonians 4:13 up to I Thessalonians 5:11; and Matthew chapter 24. And in Matthew 24:22 he tells us that he will come earlier then what was planned. |
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---Eloy on 6/28/05 |
Cont from before: HIS COMING WILL NOT BE SECRET the: LIKE A THIEF points to SURPRISE not SECRECY RIGHTEOUS/LOST are present at His coming.Righteous will live through tribulatons, (Ex. Enforcement of Sunday laws.) not raptured before.
NoTE REV 15:8 No man can enter the heaven(ly) temple until after the plagues. Also 2 THE 2:8 last major ANTI-Christ to be revealed BEFORE Jesus comes back + will be destroyed by Jch's brightness. |
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---Pierr7958 on 6/27/05 |
cANDICE, RAPTURE is not in the Bible, term used to refer to Chrit's Second Coming and the saints' being lifted up to meet Jesus in the air.
Bible says:
REV 1:7 When Jesus returns EVERY EYE WIL SEE HIM (not secret)
MAT 24:27 like a LIGHTNING FLAsHING.. (visible)
1TES 4:16-17 an AUDIBLE EVENT/trompet (loud and visible)
REV 6:14-17 the UNRIGHTEOUS afraid, call on rock to fall on them
ISA 25:9 the RIGHTEOUS-who are there ALSO,
are delighted to see Him come
REV 22:11-12/17-20 |
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---Pierr7958 on 6/27/05 |
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