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My daughter is a vegetarian. She doesn't beleive that God wants us to eat meat. Fruits and vegetables can be grown in abundance and we don't need all that animal fat or by-products of animal fat. I think she has a point. What say you?

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Geoff: Lee apparently believes that Jesus only told the truth in the NT, and that He was either lying or was mistaken in the OT. That is why he apparently approves of beastiality and incest while disdaining hygiene - because no mention of them is made in the NT.
---jerry6593 on 7/3/07


As mentioned previously, God said that we could eat meat and, based on our biology (how He made us), this is a good thing. We are omnivores, we require some meat as well as vegetables in our diet. We can survive as vegetarians, but it is not easy and does carry risks for growing children. When was the last time someone suggested we follow an East-Indian (or Hindu) diet for our health - Japanese or Mediterianian, yes.
---lorra8574 on 7/2/07


Lee, why are you looking for new food restrictions in the NT. Nothing has changed about our Creator or about our physiology that now makes unfit foods fit. I'm sure you'd agree with me that Jesus, in Mark 7:19, is not recommending we consume poisonous ivy, mushrooms, frogs or snakes.

Kay, what I said in jest about the toxicity of coffee isn't to far off since it is a co-carcinogen.
---Geoff on 7/2/07


In the New Testament there is a passage when Peter was sleeping on a rooftop and God sent him a vision of a white sheet inwhich were animals which we considered 'unclean.' God said to eat them and when Peter pointed out their uncleaness God said it was alright. If your daughter doesn't feel good about eating those cute little piggies then fine, but there's nothing wrong with eating them.
---Icut2sis on 7/2/07


"And he took butter, and MILK, and the calf which he had dressed [prepared], and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat."-Gen. 18:8
Their meal consisted of milk, butter, and red meat. If Christ and the holy angels of God can eat beef and drink milk, then so can we.

"Unanswered prayers etc..can u quote which book it is."

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---Kay on 7/2/07




Romans 14:2-3, "One man's faith allows him to eat everything,but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables.The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him.
---linda on 1/13/07


In 1 Timothy 4 3-5 says that everything God created is good and nothing is to be rejected.
Genisis 9 3 Everything that lives and moves will be food for you
---Roderick on 1/13/07


Geoff - while I can agree that some foods, particularly if not prepared properly, could present some health problems, I do not see any types of food forbidden in New Testament scripture.

I am wondering how your view Jesus' words in Mark 7:19 "... since it enters, not his heart but his stomach, and so passes on?" (Thus he declared all foods clean.)"
---lee on 1/13/07


"OK so it's 2 grains, not 1? For some things moderation is zero. How much poison is in moderation?"

Geoff, I was referring to 2 cups of coffee. No one is talking about eating or drinking poison. Good grief!

---Kay on 1/12/07


Richard, thanks your right but on this blog are some arrogant ones who dictates to us what we should do. You are absolutely right...
---bush on 1/11/07




In hard times, nine children one income, years ago. If there was parsnip or squash passed around and you didn't like parsnip you were told to take a little. You had to have a little of everything. When you went out to eat you ate what was put in front of you, respect. Today kids won't eat what they don't like, not even a little. So chicken fingers and yada yada.
Fruits and vegetables, Yes.
My vegan, hollistic medicine, and nutritionist daughter has got over the imposing philosophy period.
---jhonny on 1/10/07


I quoted the Bible and you people are still arguing what you eat?

Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him.
---Steveng on 1/10/07


Kay said "I heard that 2 should be the limit. The key is moderation. And that goes for what we eat as well. Too much of even a good thing can be deadly."

OK so it's 2 grains, not 1? For some things moderation is zero. How much poison is in moderation?

And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.

Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you-Lev 11:7-8.
---Geoff on 1/10/07


"I take lots of vitamin C: Coffee, Chocolate, cookies, chocolate cake, cherry cheese cakes, carrot cakes, cocoa, caramel, etc. They are yummy :))"

Caring, good one!! :D
---Kay on 1/9/07


NVBarbara said: "Eat what is healthy and do everything in moderation, coffee, tea etc."

I take lots of vitamin C: Coffee, Chocolate, cookies, chocolate cake, cherry cheese cakes, carrot cakes, cocoa, caramel, etc. They are yummy :))
---Caring on 1/9/07


Amen, exzucuh.
---Kay on 1/9/07


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Does your daughter have a point? It's kind of a religion veganism, vegetariansm. They often evangelize their doctrine.
The bible says this, "bear the INFIRMITIES(disease, sick, feeble, made weak) of the WEAK(without strength, powerless, impotent or unable), and not to please ourselves."
This instruction is to accomodate ourselves to others. Interests, opinions, level of health and vital force, etc.
---jhonny on 1/8/07


2. Some body types or blood types are more accomodating to meat than others. Yet if there is an illness interfering with metabolism, immune function and the like then it would be best to avoid meat for that condition. Meat works if you're healthy with a good speedy metabolism. Less meat is better. Doctors say we eat too much meat in our society. Enough fruits and salads are missing in the American diet. Slow metabolism is a widespread problem, leading to weight gain and sedentary lifestyles.
---jhonny on 1/8/07


3. Usually being willing to cut back or switching to orgainic meat, will show respect for her beliefs.
---jhonny on 1/8/07


Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
Hebrews 13:9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.
1 Corinthians 8:8 But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.
---exzucuh on 1/8/07


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"Now, you know I can't let you all beat up on Caring. Coffee's only mentioned in 1 Book-HeBrews :-)" -Geoff

lol :D

"As for benefits, the Merck Drug manual limits caffeine's medicinal dose to 7 grains, 1 cup is OD"

I've heard otherwise. I heard that 2 should be the limit. The key is moderation. And that goes for what we eat as well. Too much of even a good thing can be deadly.
---Kay on 1/8/07


Why is everybody argueing so much !!!The word says what it means & means what it says. you can't put a Question mark where God puts a PERIOD..1st of all there is no Luke 26. Margy your right, & key, sorry your wrong. your answer will be found in 1st Tim.4:1 to 5....read it..& yes we are to be vegaterians,over 100 health doctors have concluded after years of tests & research that 98 % of all diseases come from the food we eat.
---Richard on 1/8/07


I've skimmed the blogs here and have to wonder why a simple ? has to dissolve into arguments over some's beliefs.
Personally I eat VERY little meat, its filled with growth hormones and anti-biotics. There are safer ways to get protein. I eat a lot of vegs and fruits. Eat what is healthy and do everything in moderation, coffee, tea etc. NO need to get on the attack!
---NV_Barbara on 1/8/07


But what books are they Kay, I asked you to quote and I have hundreds of books to go thru and you obviously know that many of us has and so carelessly say its one of of them. The question is, which one? You know u will be caught out with your nonsense and there4 give such silly answer cos your lying. sda leader etc whatever that be, give us the book and quote.
---lucy on 1/8/07


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Now, you know I can't let you all beat up on Caring. Coffee's only mentioned in 1 Book-HeBrews :-) But seriously, the Bible says we cannot do as we wish/kill ourselves-1 Cor 3:16-17, 6:19, 10:31, Is 55:2. As for benefits, the Merck Drug manual limits caffeine's medicinal dose to 7 grains, 1 cup is OD

Helen, your daughter's right. I wonder if some want to stop just outside heaven to eat their last chicken leg before entering eternity-Is 11:9, 65:25. Silly to miss out when there's better food there
---Geoff on 1/8/07


"You're right, there is no Luke 26 that means that coffee is not prohibited after all :))" -Caring


Goofball. :D
---Kay on 1/8/07


"I am still waiting for your answer, what books were those lies from?"

I've already answered that question. Do you not remember the answer? I basically said that all of her books contain error. But which specific books I listed will have to be figured out once you find those answers. I posted that info around Nov or Dec. So I don't remember EXACTLY which books I used.
---Kay on 1/8/07


"Unles u provide proofs, U R still a liar and will always continue to do so."

Its not wise to be so quick in judging someone. Not wise at all. Why don't you search for that info yourself? Are you afraid of what you'll find? But anyone can open up an EGW book and a Bible to compare the differences in doctrines. For example, Ellen taught that laughter was a sin because Jesus never laughed, he only wept(according to her). The Bible says that laughter is like medicine for the soul.
---Kay on 1/8/07


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"You will indeed meet your lies n insults at judgment."

lucy, I quote Ellen or an SDA leader and you say my words are lies and insults. They aren't MY words. I'm quoting from YOUR set of beliefs. Are you that unfamiliar with what your sect actually teaches?
---Kay on 1/8/07


You're right, there is no Luke 26 that means that coffee is not prohibited after all :))
---Caring on 1/8/07


Tim, you ruined my day - no coffee, no milk, no sugar. I hope chocolate is not prohibited in the Gospels because I can't live without it.
---Caring on 1/8/07


Kay, firstly, u still havent answered the other blogs questions concerning your lies about EGW. U say u backed your statements etc, with what? I am still waiting for your answer, what books were those lies from? Unles u provide proofs, U R still a liar and will always continue to do so. You will indeed meet your lies n insults at judgment. You and Lee... how can u blog on this site n say your christians. Your blog shows your ugly character Lord have mercy.
---lucy on 1/7/07


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lee, I think Caring was just kidding around, I hope.
---Kay on 1/8/07


Amen, Steveng.
---Kay on 1/8/07


"I didn't know Luke had coffee beans from Colombia."

I wonder how many people actually looked for that passage in Luke 26? :D
---Kay on 1/7/07


Caring - *In the Gospel of Luke, chapter 26 it states that coffee is prohibited ...*

there is no Luke 26 in most Bibles. Perhaps you mean chapter 26 of Desire of the Ages?
---lee on 1/7/07


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Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
---Steveng on 1/7/07


In other words: Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him.
---Steveng on 1/7/07


Caring--- If you check the book of Matthew ch.30 and Mark ch.17 cream and sugar are a sin too!
---Tim on 1/7/07


What happens if - like those who following the Koran, waiting for the virgins....
you followed all the edicts of EGW - and when you get to your end, you find this woman never made it in, at all.
Would you be willing to follow her on down, down, down.......
---Angel_Hair on 1/7/07


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Lee, if EGW did eat oysters, then the only thing I can imagine is that this issue of what was clean & what was not clean must have been in debate regarding the oyster in 1800's. However, Oysters are well known now to be a scavanger,& unclean. I have read my Bible & know that God's messengers did at times make mistakes, but God was still with them & showed them their mistakes. Truth is progressive. We learn & we grow.
---Gina on 1/7/07


We are certain that Jesus ate fish. Who would like to tell Jesus that he did wrong?
---Mima on 1/7/07


Are you being sarcastic there is no chapter 26?
---exzucuh on 1/7/07


"In the Gospel of Luke, chapter 26 it states that coffee is prohibited but I choose to disobey that rule and I'm living in sin, Kay because I need my cup of coffee first thing in the morning and the occasional one during the day." -Caring

LOL! Luke 26? Good one.

mmmm....coffee!
---Kay on 1/7/07


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"How do you know?"

I read a lot.

"The only bunch of bologna Kay is what you post to these boards."

Gina, you always say stuff like that even after I give the quote and its reference. You are free to look it up yourself.
---Kay on 1/7/07


"You are insulting,you make fun of SDA's & EGW"

I've never made fun of SDA's and EGW. I've stated facts and have backed them up with references from EGW's material. Maybe you just didn't know all the silly teachings she had and are accusing me of making fun of her.

"You will meet your insults,your words,in the judgement)"

Sharing the truth with individuals who are being led astray by false doctrines is what God has called us to do.

---Kay on 1/7/07


"Kay, tea and coffee are detriment to our health..."

lucy, modern science disagrees. Coffee has several health benefits:
protection against colon cancer, gallstones, Parkinson's disease, type 2 diabetes, protection against aging, protection against cavities, has a high antioxidant content, and antibacterial properties.

Tea reduces the risk of heart attack, prevents cavities, reduces the risk of stroke, protects against cancer, and has a high antioxidant content.
---Kay on 1/7/07


"firstly it has properties that keeps the brain from functioning 100%
n the tea tannin is detriment to insides of our stomach."

Who says? Tannin destroys bacteria and virus. Drinking hot tea soothes my stomach.

"not from EGW's writings. from the public hospital health department"

Which is SDA, right?
---Kay on 1/7/07


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I didn't know Luke had coffee beans from Colombia.

Out here at the Rural Cafe, all we have is that high lonesome sound and a good cup of Joe.

'Cup of Joe' comes from Josephus Daniels, a Navy reformer that banned alcohol from ships. All they were allowed was coffee, that's where 'Cup of Joe' comes from.

So long now.
---Rural_Cafe on 1/7/07


In the Gospel of Luke, chapter 26 it states that coffee is prohibited but I choose to disobey that rule and I'm living in sin, Kay because I need my cup of coffee first thing in the morning and the occasional one during the day.
---Caring on 1/7/07


Gina - despite what Ellen White has to say about dietary rules, she often violated what she advocated as there are letters she wrote to her kin to ship her oysters - a biblically "unclean" food that she loved dearly.

Yes, I would agree that there may be some merit in being a vegetarian as they may live a few days longer than those that eat meat but there is no biblical injunction as to what one may eat.
---lee on 1/7/07


Kay"Gina,Ellen G White WAS a meat eater.All that vegetarian talk was a bunch of bologna.;)" How do you know?She ate meat on occasion,as is documented in her life story, but for the majority of her days was vegetarian.The only bunch of bologna Kay is what you post to these boards.You are insulting,you make fun of SDA's & EGW (& since Christ identifies Himself with His church,anytime we are cruel/make fun of someone,we have done it to Christ.You will meet your insults,your words,in the judgement)
---Gina on 1/7/07


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"Answer: there was no vegetation after the flood."

Gina, I have a couple of questions for you then.

(1) How do you explain the olive leaf that the dove brought back to Noah? (Gen.8:11)
(2) What did animals such as cows, horses, and rabbits eat? Did they become meat eaters?
---Kay on 1/6/07


"Meat was allowed, but only the clean meats. This is why the clean animals went into the ark in sevens, and not two by two, because they were to be eaten."

Gina, the passage in Genesis 9:3 says nothing about eating the "clean" animals only. It says "all" things. The "clean" animals were for sacrifice. (Gen 8:20)
---Kay on 1/6/07


I am a vegetarian becos I chose to be one and since then 11 years on, I am more healthier than my husband who is a great meat eater. I also dont have any more health problems like I use to.The minute I put any meeat to my mouth now, my stomach turns so badly I had to drink heaps of water to dilute it. I followed bible diet. He told Noah to eat meat cos twas no vegetation around after flood.
---margy on 1/6/07


Kay, tea and coffee are detriment to our health...firstly it has properties that keeps the brain from functioning 100% n the tea tannin is detriment to insides of our stomach. It has been proven that coffee has a great effect on the brain,it unnaturally keeps one awake longer, also stresses one so much if frequently consumed. not from EGW's writings. from the public hospital health department and am amused, leaflets thruout the foyer yet they still serve such at their hospital cafes...
---lucy on 1/6/07


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Gina, Ellen G White WAS a meat eater. All that vegetarian talk was a bunch of bologna. ;)

"In her own writings she reveals that up until the time God showed her health reform.."

Is that the same "divine" health reform where she claims that tea is a narcotic and the drinking of tea is a sin?

"Tea and coffee drinking is a sin, an injurious indulgence, which like other evils, injures the soul." -Counsels on Diet and Foods, p. 425
---Kay on 1/6/07


Lee "Maybe she went on to have a vision or two to confirm what she wanted to believe." Lee, if EGW followed what she WANTED to believe, she would have remained a meat eater!! In her own writings she reveals that up until the time God showed her health reform, she was a big meat eater,and the first few meals placed before her without meat she could not even STAND to eat, but she decided obedience was better,& started eating vegetarian meals.
---Gina on 1/6/07


Lee,if EGW was to have a made up vision to confirm what she wanted to believe about eating,it would have been one saying that meat should be eaten at every meal.When the Lord showed her health reform,it was the last think she wanted to hear.She documented her struggle to adopt the vegetarian diet"I suffered keen hunger,I was a great meat eater. But when faint, I placed my arms across my stomach, and said: "I will not taste a morsel. I will eat simple food, or I will not eat at all."
---Gina on 1/6/07


Kay ""God purposed 4 us all to eat herbs and veges and nuts but not meat."-lucy

I wonder why He told Noah the opposite?

Genesis 9:3
/Answer: there was no vegetation after the flood. The world was no longer like the lush Eden, with food in abundance. Meat was allowed, but only the clean meats. This is why the clean animals went into the ark in sevens, and not two by two, because they were to be eaten. See Genesis 7:2
---Gina on 1/6/07


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"My daughter is a vegetarian. She doesn't beleive that God wants us to eat meat.

Does your daughter realize that in the Levitical sacrificial system the priests were to eat of meat of the sacrifices - those sacrifices being sheep, rams, bulls, etc.? Now could God not want us to eat meat when He commanded the priests to do just that?
---lee on 1/6/07


"Jack 'fish or seafood is not considered meat in traditional Christian abstinence practice'."

m.p.a., that would be Catholic practice, right?
---Kay on 1/6/07


Lee, leave Elen White etc out of this..we are talking about the bible diet..if EGW is talking sense then thats her view..you dont give yours but attack others view...its a free blog so give your view instead..
---tom on 1/4/07


Lee why dont you study the ot instead of bludgeoning E White or whoever. Have u no understanding of what we should eat now that u keep on talking about White and her teachings? am getting sick of your mentioning this woman it seems u dont know the bible yourself...
---man on 1/4/07


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"Maybe she went on to have a vision or two to confirm what she wanted to believe."

lee, even some of her visions were from other writers. Locking herself in her private library and copying down the visions of other writers was her idea of receiving a vision from God. Then she had the nerve to tell her groupies that she flew up to Heaven with a pair of wings to receive such visions. How can they believe this stuff?
---Kay on 1/4/07


Jack 'fish or seafood is not considered meat in traditional Christian abstinence practice'. This may be so but regarding vegetarians (some of whom are Christians and some not) their reason for not eating meat is because they believe that living creatures should not be killed for food. This only makes sense if they refuse to kill ALL living creatures and fish definitely come in that category. Vegans refuse to eat anything from a living creature so this includes milk, cheese and even honey.
---m.p.a. on 1/4/07


Jesus eats meat.
---Eloy on 1/3/07


If Almighty God and the holy angels can drink milk, then so can I!
---Kay on 1/3/07


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I hope these people are not going to say mother's milk is also bad. Frankly I read somewhere that Ellen White got most of her health diet ideas from a contemporary writer. Maybe she went on to have a vision or two to confirm what she wanted to believe.
---lee on 1/3/07


Kay...if you knew what was in your glass of milk...you would get sick to your stomach...before you swallowed it down...

Rahel
---Rahel on 1/3/07


"Was not there another of Ellen White's foolish beliefs that milk was forbidden to be drink bec it has fat in it?"-lee

Yes, I believe so. Its strange how milk is good enough for Jesus to drink, but its not good enough for Ellen White to drink.
---Kay on 1/3/07


III) Forgive me Jack, but I read through KJV and it does say meat instead of food for the plants in Genesis 1:29-31. Now what does this mean? But meat in Genesis did not stand moving creatures neither does food in later translations? In the KJV is still says abstaining from meates. We cannot assume it means all both plants and meates because fasting is not a false doctrine.
---Matthew on 11/30/06


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IV)So it's one or the other. Until I see a verse that says plants and vegetation are creatures I have to stand in saying it means meates alone. Because as a reason why abstaning from meats is false doctrine I Tim 4:4-5 it says God wants you to accept creatures with thanksgiving and that they are not to be refused. So we know we are speaking of creatures here. Is there anywhere in the Bible that says plants are creautres? If not than we can safely assume it means only our definition of meat.
---Matthew on 11/30/06


Science tells us plants are living creatures. The OT says otherwise. Lev 17:11,Lev 17:14, Deut 12:23 speaks of how life is in blood alone. Genesis has vegetation created on a different day than the animals. Not once does it says that plants are alive in Genesis, but it speaks clearly of the day when He created living creatures.
---Matthew on 11/30/06


II) Also if meat should really be food then I would be teaching a false doctrine by saying that fasting is good in the eyes of the Lord. That would make the Bible teach false doctrines. Jesus fasted 40 days and 40 nights did he not? He abstaned from food. So he followed a doctrine of the Devil?
---Matthew on 11/30/06


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