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Adam's Garden Of Eden Death

What kind of death did Adam experience in the Garden of Eden?

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Kathay, I think that Alba is a typing error and Danny probably meant ABBA.
---RitaH on 5/6/08


The death spoken in Genesis to Adam is speaking only of the physical death. That's why Jesus came as a Man to undo the physical death by His own Bodily death.
Spiritual death is separation from God which is Hell.
---Nicole on 5/5/08


In the statement to Adam about the tree of the knowledge of good and evil there is a promise of punishment for disobedience---death, most fully understand to mean death in an extensive sense, Physical, Spiritual, and eternal death and separation from God.
---catherine on 5/5/08


I read your answer Pastor Danny. I understand about Adam's sin. I want to know what ALBA means. I study, but i do not think I have ever seen that word. thank you.
---Kathay on 5/5/08


Jerry-well said, I missed that Adam did of course die after being booted out of Eden.

I appreciate your thoughtful comments.
---Warwick on 8/3/07




In the Bible there are two kinds of death and both can be defined by a single word. Separation. They are: Physical and Spiritual. With Adam we are speaking of Spiritual death. Spiritual death will separate you from fellowship with the Creator.>>>When a person dies physically, his soul is separated from his body. The body is put in the ground, but the soul lives on. It can never die. Persons enter new realm of life: Believers to eternal joy and unbelievers to eternal torment. [Matthew 25:46]
---catherine on 8/3/07


Adam's punishement clearly included physical death. Gen. 3:19 -- "for dust you are and to dust you will return".

And as Warwick said, this is the only way for Paul's parallel with the Last Adam (1 Cor. 15) to make sense: Jesus died physicially, and He was resurrected physically -- He left the tomb empty, ate fish, had wounds etc.
---Ktisophilos on 8/3/07


The Bible says that Adam did not die in the Garden of Eden. He & Eve had been kicked out of the Garden long before his death. He is still in his grave (like King David), awaiting the resurrection at Jesus' return.
---jerry6593 on 8/3/07


For the Gospel to be reality Adam's death must also have been physical death. I Co.15:21 makes this clear.

Further Jesus came & physically died to pay the price of sin-'the wages of sin is death' Rom 6:23. Adam died physically because of his sin.

If we say Adam only died spiritually then we are saying Jesus only died spiritually when our hope is that he died & rose again physically conquering 'the last enemy' death which 'reigned from Adam to Moses'Rom 5:12.
---Warwick on 8/2/07


Adam experienced apirital dealth .For sin seperates one from our Alba Father God .Pastor Danny
---Pastor_Danny on 8/2/07




A complete separation from God, death, in spirit, and a physical death in time.
---Lupe2618 on 7/12/05


Leon,
No offense taken. It seemd that the word just did not fit so I assumed that it was a misuse of the word and offered you the defination to make sure you knew what it meant.
---Bruce5656 on 7/11/05


Bruce5656: It appears I may've offended you with my comments on 7/5 & 7/7. PLEASE FORGIVE ME. I really meant you no harm.

I can be a little acidic on the days I don't take my St. John's Wort tabs. Pray for me. :)

Adios amigo!
---Leon on 7/8/05


Eloy: Sour grapes? Ha--maybe! Hey, don't they grow on a vine? ;-)

This indeed is a tough crowd on the Christianet blog. Some will beat you down if they can. Maybe they're making wine..."gotta luv 'em!"

We'd all do well to eat only of the fruit God has authorized. (Gal. 5:22-23).
---Leon on 7/8/05


PART ONE:
Leon,

Diatribe???? (Definition of diatribe (noun)a bitter or malicious criticism)

Since you asked my point, Ill tell you. If you were to actually study the etymology (origins) of the expression apple of eye you would find the following:

ORIGIN AND DEFINITION
It means a cherished person. Eg.She is the apple of my eye.'
In OLD ENGLISH, the pupil of the eye was called 'the apple,' The pupil was thought to be spherical and solid
---Bruce5656 on 7/7/05


PART TWO:
and was the main part, or crucial part, of the eye. (David Lin)

Common Phrases: And Where They Come From (John Mordock, Myron Korach) It was believed as long ago as the ninth century that the pupil of the eye was a vital spot in the human anatomy. Because the pupil was considered as vital as life itself, it become customary for a gallant hero to call the object of his affections 'the apple of my eye.'" (p. 16)
---Bruce5656 on 7/7/05


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PART THREE:
The Dictionary of Clichs by James Rogers (Ballantine Books, New York, 1985): In old English the eye's pupil was known as the apple because it was thought to be spherical and solid. Since the pupil is a crucial and indispensable portion of the eye, it serves as a symbol of something to be cherished.

Encyclopedia of Word and Phrase Origins (Robert Hendrickson: Facts on File, New York, 1997), Pupillam,' or pupil, is actually the Latin for the 'apple' of the
---Bruce5656 on 7/7/05


PART FOUR:
phrase, but ENGLISH TRANSLATIONS of the Bible used 'apple' because this was the early word for the pupil of the eye, which was thought to be a solid apple-shaped body. Because it is so essential to sight, the eye's apple, or pupil, is to be cherished and protected and 'the apple of one's eye' came to mean anything extremely precious.
---Bruce5656 on 7/7/05


PART FIVE:
From the same source we are told, The literal translation of the Hebrew phrase, incidentally, is You are as the little man in the eye' (one's own reflection in the pupil of another's eye).
---Bruce5656 on 7/7/05


PART SIX:
In Deut 32:10, Psm 17:8 Prov 7:2 the Hebrew word used is 'iyshown {ee-shone'} Meaning: 1) pupil of the eye 2) middle of the night (that is the deepest blackness)
In Lamentations 2:18, "Their heart cried unto the Lord, O wall of the daughter of Zion, let tears run down like a river day and night: give thyself no rest; let not the apple of thine eye cease." The word translated apple is the SAME WORD
---Bruce5656 on 7/7/05


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PART SEVEN:
translated daughter in the same verse!
Hebrew: bath {bath}
Meaning: daughter, girl, adopted daughter, daughter-in-law, sister, granddaughters, female child, cousin
Zech 2:8 The word is Hebrew babah {baw-baw'}
Meaning: the pupil of the eye
---Bruce5656 on 7/7/05


PART EIGHT:

One author makes this observation:
The phrase occurs at several places in the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament, but nowhere more famously than in Zechariah 2:8. Zechariah records God addressing Zion with these words, "whoever touches you, touches the apple of my eye." An acontextual and uncritical reading would immediately assume that what is under discussion is quite obviously something valuable and precious to the speaker, namely God.
---Bruce5656 on 7/7/05


PART NINE:
Even a brief second reading, however, reveals something entirely different. The apple of the eye is the center, the pupil. God is saying - whoever touches you (maliciously, for the context is exile) touches the center of my eye. More prosaically, whoever messes with Zion pokes God in the eye!
---Bruce5656 on 7/7/05


PART TEN:
So, my point is that the expression apple of my eye is in fact an old English idiom and not one that would have been familiar to the original readers of the OT or to people in other countries today. It has nothing to do with what ever it was Adam and Eve ate in Eden.
---Bruce5656 on 7/7/05


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Leon, agree with you. i have been told that i sometimes am somewhat abrasive, but i'm not nearly as acidic as some here at the Blog. BTW, the forbidden fruit in the middle of the garden was the red sour grape.
---Eloy on 7/7/05


Bruce: Your diatribe, though amusing, is inaccurate. "Apple of...eye" is recorded no less than five times in the Bible. So, your point is? :)
---Leon on 7/7/05


Leon,
The story is told of the phrase "Out of sight out of mind" being put into a translator and the resulting translation translated back to english. The result: "Invisible idiot".

Apple/appealing would make an interesting word play. However, quite likely that word play would only work in english. The idiom "apple of my eye" is an english idiom. Possibly if you tried to translate that into, say, Mandrin someone might think you have an apple stuck in your eye :)
---Bruce5656 on 7/6/05


Thanks F.F. for your honesty. Bruce, what's foundational is A&E sinned. Sin set the stage for everything else in the Bible. My take on the apple theory is this. Gen. 3 shows how the cunning serpent captivated, allured, seduced, APPEALed to Eve. His words were so appealing Eve ate. Then Eve, using her feminine charm (sex appeal), gave the unknown fruit to Adam. Though Adam knew better, he bowed to Eve (the cherished apple of his eye) & ate. Sin is at the core of the matter. :)

APPLE -- APPEAL!
---Leon on 7/6/05


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Leon,
In what way is it foundational to know exactly what fruit was involved?
---Bruce5656 on 7/5/05


Leon I also think that what the fruit was is irrelevant. The fact is that God said DON'T and they DID. They disobeyed the only condition that God placed upon them. Moonies teach that the sin was not in eating any actual fruit but that Eve had sex with the serpent. That doesn't fit in with her handing the fruit to Adam and that he also ate of it. What do you think the fruit was Leon?
---F.F. on 7/5/05


Leon,
Have another look below.

That was a response to Eloy's comments below "physical and spiritual. He did not live a full day according to God. For 1 day to God in heaven equals 1000 years on earth to man." etc
---Bruce5656 on 7/5/05


F.F. As an aside to Geraa's question, I'd like to know what you think "the fruit" was? Some here think this is an irrelevant question. I believe it's foundational to our clearly understanding the Bible. Your feedback is appreciated.
---Leon on 7/5/05


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Bruce5656: What!? Snap out of it buddy! You're at the right website; but, on the wrong question. :-)
---Leon on 7/5/05


PART ONE:
Re: 1,000 yrs = 1 day. Peter is quoting from Psm. 90 which is contrasting the brevity of the life span of man vs. the permanence of Gods existence. In II Pet. 3 Peter is dealing with the fact that there were those who were saying "Where is the promise of His coming?" Basically, the response is that; we are so caught up in marking time, trying to figure out when He will return
---Bruce5656 on 7/5/05


PART TWO:
but with God 2 Peter 3:8, "...one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." In other words, He is coming again when HE IS READY, not according to mans timetable.

I do not think that this is intended to be a direct "conversion" of a unit of time like we convert imperial to metric. Rather we are simply being told that time to God is irrelevant.
---Bruce5656 on 7/5/05


PART THREE:
Scripture indicates that God exists outside of the restrictions of time and space. Psm. 139, John 17:24, Eph 1:4, I Pet. 1:20, John 1:1,
---Bruce5656 on 7/5/05


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Eloy Adam suffered spiritual death whilst in the garden. 'The moment you eat the fruit you will die' He didn't die physically then but became mortal and began to die (as we are all doing now) from that moment. Gen. 3:24 tells us that he was then send from the garden where he would have to work hard to grow food. He became a father of many and eventually died physically.
---F.F. on 7/5/05


I think anon meant Father which means daddy :))
---Albert on 7/5/05


Thank you anon we sing a song at our church named "Abba Father". I wasn't sure he meant that. I have studied english, but I do miss some words. I should be better I have been in this country almost 10 years. Thank you
---Kathay on 7/5/05


physical and spiritual. He did not live a full day according to God. For 1 day to God in heaven equals 1000 years on earth to man. And Adam died at 930 years, so he did not even live one full day according to God, but died the very day he ate of the tree just as God said.
---Eloy on 7/4/05


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Geraa: Adam experienced an immediate "spiritual" death (a degeneration, a separation from God when he sinned). Adam's spirit death made it possible for his ultimate "physical" death (disintegration, decay).

Now, that's the bad news. The good news is salvation in Jesus Christ is regeneration to all who believe in Him (Matt. 19:28-29; Titus 3:5-7; John 3:16...).
---Leon on 7/4/05


I think he meant Abba, which means Father
---anon on 7/4/05


Abba is a term of endearment that jewish young people call their father. It's like daddy or papa...shows just what a wonderful relationship Jesus has with His father, and we can enjoy the same.
---Ann5758 on 7/4/05


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