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How Do You Get To Heaven

Some Christians think that being Born Again & being Baptised will Gain them admittance to heaven. Is that a ticket to salvation? What happened to "as you have lived so shall you reap"

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To be born again Mark 16 v 16, Acts 2 v's 37 -
41 which Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19 - 20, live a clean Holy life, & Matt.24 v 13.
---Lawrence on 8/17/10


John 3:16 says it all. However, I believe that actions speak louder than words. One cannot just simply say, "I believe in Jesus, therefore I'm saved and I'm a Christian." If one is truly a Christian, then their actions will show proof of this.

God bless.
---Dorothy on 10/11/08


Asking Christ for forgiveness and accepting His free gift of salvation (being born again) is what you need for acceptance to heaven. What is in the past before you were saved will not stand between you and your heavenly home. Baptism, however, will not get you into heaven.
---Ann5758 on 9/22/07


Ist cliff:Your interpretation of BAis being born of a spiritual birth does it not mean your acceptance of Jesus as your lord & master& the holy spirit as your guide,does that mean at a later age in your life after your 1st birth.so up to the time you came to this point in your life this realisation coincided with your statement of BORN Again,if so, is it not acceptance & the period prior to this was negligence or ignorance for want of a better word.so to cover up this transgression you call it Born again.
---Emcee on 7/26/05


PART ONE:
Ruben,
It is clearly stated what Jesus meant when he said born of water. Read John 3 for yourself and see that Jesus is simply referring to the fact that one has to be born of a supernatural (re)birth just like they were born of a natural birth. I assume you are aware of the fact that we are carried in a bag of water in the womb? It is called embryonic fluid.
---Bruce5656 on 7/17/05




PART TWO:
Did you ever hear an expectant mother talk about her water breaking? That is when the embryonic sac breaks and some of that water leaks out just before the baby is born.

Jesus was talking about the physical birth when he referred to being born of water.

John 3:3, Except a man be born again 1st birth physical, 2nd birth (born again) spiritual.
---Bruce5656 on 7/17/05


PART THREE:
This is proven by the response:
John 3:4 How can a man be born when he is old? CAN HE ENTER THE SECOND TIME INTO HIS MOTHER'S WOMB, and be born?
NOTE: Jesus statement is in response to this SPECIFIC question.
---Bruce5656 on 7/17/05


PART FOUR:
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water (PHYSICAL BIRHT) and of the Spirit (SUPERNATURAL SECOND BIRTH), he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
---Bruce5656 on 7/17/05


PART FIVE:
And to make it very clear, He REPEATS this.
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh (physical birth); and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit (spiritual birth).

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again (first time physical, second time spiritual)
---Bruce5656 on 7/17/05


Lupe-(Catholics have to work for their salvation) That is not what the Catholic church teaches!!! Jesus said you must be born again with WATER and the HOLY spirit, he himself got baptist with water, to show was righteous...
---ruben on 7/15/05




I agree with Jerry. Once you except Christ, you position with him in heaven, spiritually. Physically we are still on the earth. Galaians 6:4-7 deals with a saved person and the rewards one will receive for the way they lived after excepting Christ. Just like what Paul wrote about in 2 Timothy 4:1-8
---geraa7578 on 7/14/05


emcee; Since you live out west, try climbing Mt.Logan 19,500ft,without oxigen and you'll soon see that you're tied to this earth,spirit or no spirit!making the transition from earthly creature to "spirit being" is when you're born again! Why do you not see this as a second "birth" ( in your mind is it 3rd?)
---1st_cliff on 7/13/05


Emcee, you are right in the explanation why you understood it and how it has been for almost 2000 years, and your words on the matter of born-again as you learned it. And, your eloquence of words are just fine. I knew you knew what born again was. Thanks
---lupe2618 on 7/13/05


Ist Cliff:That was an admirable deduction even gave me a smile.But you forget we all have the spirit of Christ within us & it needs no oxygen!!BAis changing your life in accordance to gods laws,no if's and's or but's.
ANN,let me invite you to read Matt:3v13-15You will see the need.God be with you friend.
---Emcee on 7/13/05


I meant : Nor does it mean they cannot be Christians
---Alan8869_of_UK on 7/13/05


Ann; by being baptised you will have a closer walk with God, I promise you that. Baptisim was foretold in Eze 36:25. Read Acts 19:2-5, 1 Pe 3:20-21. It is a cleansing of the soul. When one gets baptised they are baptised unto Christ's death. Except a man being born of water AND of the spirit, that which is born of flesh is flesh, and which is born of spirit is spirit, there is a natural birth and a spiritual birth.
---Rebecca_D on 7/13/05


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Allthis talk about "born again" and yet no one seems to get it right! Turning over a new leaf,accepting Christ as savior,etc is not re-birth! As humans we are tied to this earth,over 10,000 ft we need oxigen etc. As humans we cannot leave earth! So at death we are re-born,re-created to become "spirit creatures" capable of entering "heaven" .Without this you cannot leave this earth! "unless a man is b.a. he cannot enter INTO the Kingdom of heaven"
---1st_cliff on 7/12/05


(Contd) this is so evident in our youth yesterday & today, so if by ones neglect or tepidity, one did not acknowledge the existance of God& the Holy Spirit which was always there. It is like being born again.Sorry my eloquence is limitedBut it is my offering of an explaination.there are also Lax RC'sas fervent ones.
---Emcee on 7/12/05


2618Lupe:Thank you for your kind words of encouragement Just felt like a fish out of water,not any moreThanks.I do know what born again means John3V3.Reflect back this was when christianity was a baby,& adults were being taught a new doctrine& so to accept that new doctrine you had to be born again,That doctrine has been around For 2000 years ,so those people who in their youth did not practice their religion they had to be born again & realisation came to them suddenly while searching.Contd
---Emcee on 7/12/05


2618Lupe:Thank you for your kind words of encouragement Just felt like a fish out of water,not any moreThanks.I do know what born again means John3V3.Reflect back this was when christianity was a baby,& adults were being taught a new doctrine& so to accept that new doctrine you had to be born again,That doctrine has been around For 2000 years ,so those people who in their youth did not practice their religion they had to be born again & realisation came to them suddenly while searching.Contd
---Emcee on 7/12/05


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Heather, the Scripture you're referring to does not say "reborn of water". John 3:5 - Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God." Being 'born of water' means natural birth, so He was referring to a natural birth and birth thru the Spirit..no water baptism at all.
---ann5758 on 7/12/05


Emcee, I wanted to state something more to you. First of all you have answered everyone with kindness and control even when many and I count myself too, say things that might hurt. You are a kind person and I respect you a lot. Though we don't agree many times I think you are a great brother, Thanks for searching for the truth,
---Lupe2618 on 7/12/05


The second reason, we seek our assurance from the Word of God through which the Holy Spirit bears witness to our spirit that we are His children. Now, I believe you and Ruben have things different then your bible states. I can see that many Catholics don't have many things in order. Maybe that is why so many don't know what born-again means. Like I said before, I know many in Texas that are born-again and they know what that is.
---Lupe2618 on 7/12/05


Emcee, as for me I do not question your faith for one reason, even if your conversion seems to be different as you and Ruben believe, But there is one reason I say I do not question your faith, because the test for authentic assurance is two ways. On the one hand, we must examine our own hearts to see if we have true faith in Christ. We must see whether or not we have any genuine love for the biblical Christ. For we know such love for Him would be impossible without a rebirth, or born-again.
---Lupe2618 on 7/12/05


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Verse 9- neither is it a reward for anything you have accomplished, so let no one pride himself on it." Now Emcee, unless something has change, this is the way it is written in the Liturgical Bible. Thank you
---Lupe2618 on 7/12/05


Just because there are certain doctrinal aspects of the Roman Catholic Church with which you (and I) disagree, does not mean that its adherents cannot be born again, nor does it mean that they can be Christians.
---Alan8869_of_UK on 7/12/05


Cont: of admiration from God. This is the essential element of a Lenten conversion: to accept, In Christ, the "unreasonable " love of the Father for us, and to respond to it by a faith that know no measure, after the manner of Christ who entrusted His whole destiny to His Fathers will."
Now I know that This is for the readings of Eph. 4-10. In verse 8, "I repeat, it is owing to His favor that salvation is yours through Faith. This is not your own doing, it is God's gift:
---Lupe2618 on 7/12/05


Emcee says about born-again "To me, it means Acceptance, & I recieved the Holy Spirit at an early age"
If by that she means she accepts Jesus into her heart as her Saviour, that is being born again.
Then she says "Yes, & I enjoy what I am doing for Jesus spreading His love & doctrines" To those who claim that these are "Works" surely this is what we should all be doing?
"Faith without works is dead" ... that is biblical
---Alan8869_of_UK on 7/12/05


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Cont: A person who has true love does not say: "I have a right to this or that" or "I have done my duty, so now I have nothing more to do." True love loves gratuitously and remains surprised that it is loved gratuitously. Christ, arising in a world doomed to error, is the sign that God loves us although we are in no way worthy of His love. The first thing that He expects of us and the only thing that counts is faith-that uncondition confidence which elicits a cry
---lupe2618 on 7/12/05


Emcee, maybe the word, born-again might mean many things to Catholics but it is the same in all. I just wrote Ruben and explained to him that he and you are wrong in the process of salvation. I know you have been a Catholic for 80 years so I would assume you know what the Catholic church has to say for salvation, From Saint Josephs Liturgical Bible. 418. Generosity of God's Plan 4th Sunday of Lent B. "Absolutely for nothing-True love never sets up arithmetical stipulations for itself.
---Lupe2618 on 7/12/05


"Born Again" John 3:3 is God's term. We are born physically, then born the second time "born again" to life in the Spirit for God THROUGH Jesus Christ. Once that birth takes place in your soul you are not the same. You have a deeper/richer life with broader vision....eternity in view. YOu see the big picture! You have life eternal through Christ, made known to you by THE HOLY SPIRIT. Everyone knows ABOUT GOD...but not all are born the second time, with a spirit for GOD.
---Eloia_N_ks on 7/12/05


Lupe2618:The catch phrase of"Born Again"seems to mean different things to different people.To me, it means Acceptance, & I recieved the Holy Spirit at an early age,Yes, & I enjoy what I am doing for Jesus spreading His love & doctrines.Every thing in this world requires endeavour,Sloth is a deadly transgression.Being an RC sets us apart, christians do not have one guide.we follow all concepts under one figure head Jesus Christ who founded the Universal church,known today as the RCC.
---Emcee on 7/12/05


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Emcee, your ticket to heaven is to be born again. You and I know that. If, the Holy Spirit is in your life, you will love what you are doing for Christ. I see why you ask. The only problem you have is that Catholics have to work for their salvation. That is why you want to condemn the one's that believe they have to be born again. That is why I say to you, "You have to be Born-again" to enter heaven.
---Lupe2618 on 7/12/05


Ann, you're missing one of God's commands (and, quite frankly, I think a lot of others are, too). Part of being saved is baptism-it's a necessity. Look in the New Testament-Jesus speaks of it "Man shall not be reborn unless he is reborn of water..." That's not an exact quote from the Bible, but it's there-look up salvation or baptism in your Bible.
---Heather on 7/12/05


Ann;Can you accept the S.A. as a Christian organization,when the dont believe in Christian baptism? Can you picture Jesus as a General, commanding His little army of disciples,Sargent John or Major Peter? The bible says when you give "alms" not to let your right hand know what the left is doing! S.A. broadcast on world media all the "good" they do! Did Jesus' Apostles "sign a pledge" that they would not drink alcohol? Some of their doctrines and methods are questionable.
---1st_cliff on 7/12/05


5758ANN:Prior to Jesus.coming The gates of heaven were shut tight to humanity,who were so sinful Jesuse's crucifiction opened those gates enabling us to once again have the opportunity to enter& it would wash away our sins but Jesus himself was baptised to show us the way,& he told his apostles to do so baptising all who would seek his doctrine.
---Emcee on 7/11/05


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I leave myself open. If God desires me to be baptized, He will lead me when & where He wants me. So far, He has not put the desire in my heart to be baptized. I am not any less redeemed than those of you who were. Baptism does not forgive sins, baptism does not fill you with the Holy spirit- that has already happened to me. Baptism does not get you into heaven. Being baptized would not make me feel any more redeemed than I am. You're all saying Christ's redemption on Calvary is not enough. It is for me.
---Ann5758 on 7/11/05


Ann; how can you not have the desire to be baptised? It says in Acts 2:38 be baptised so you could recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit. This verse says it is remission of sins. Baptism is a death to sin and a new life in righteousness. Read Titus 3:5 and Gal 3:26-29, Ro 6:3-6. I just can't believe you have no desire to do so. May God open your eyes.
---Rebecca_D on 7/11/05


If anyone is interested further, do a google search for "Salvation army and sacraments"...it will explain my position further.
---Ann5758 on 7/11/05


The blood of Jesus wipes away my sins..water doesn't. You can go down a dry sinner and come up a wet sinner. It IS a ritual, and once you consider the ritual to be more important than the sacrifice of the Lamb of God, then, my friend, I see a real problem. I received the Holy Spirit when I received Christ into my life. I do not...I re-iterate, DO NOT...need any external "works" to assure me of my salvation or my place in heaven.
---Ann5758 on 7/11/05


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Jesus said, in Acts 1:5, "For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence."

Did he mean with water and with the holy spirit? Or did he mean with the holy spirit instead of with water?
---Jeffrey on 7/11/05


Alan8869:I am no one to suggest those were your words.Ann: You have A free choice I am stating a fact you may continue to Presume.God be with you.Seek & you will find.When you are dunked You recieve the GIFT of the Holy spirit & his graces ,plusall your sins are wiped clean. this is not a ritual But a necessity,its food for your soul In identifying yourself with the body of Christ& the blessed trinity . Again,Your choice.
---Emcee on 7/10/05


Ann; Something for you to consider is Mat 28 19 Jesus said "go into all the nations..teaching and BAPTIZING".. etc then in 1st Sam.15.22 "obedience is better than sacrifice...for rebellion is like the sin of divination..and arrogance like the evil of idolatry"
---1st_cliff on 7/10/05


Jesus got babtised, it is a symbol of declaring your faith before men. That is powerful to because you are making yourself accountable to people. It doesn't necessarily make you saved since it isn't what saves you but it is still good.
---Jessica on 7/10/05


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I've never been baptized, and I have no desire to be baptized, but I am forgiven, saved & sanctified and going to heaven thru the atoning blood of Jesus Christ. I don't get saved by what I do, or what rituals I perform- I get saved ONLY thru redemption in Christ Jesus, not waiting around for some guy to dunk me..."sorry, Lord, this isn't baptism sunday....can't get saved now- you're just not enough"....I don't think so.
---Ann5758 on 7/10/05


Are you suggesting Emcee, that someone has to say to themselves ... "Oh I think I will get saved ... let me see, yes, it will have to be next Sunday (sorry Pierre) so I had better be careful not to die before then"
---Alan8869_of_UK on 7/9/05


Jeffery: you are right--DoryLory:-There was no judgement intended &like St.Paul we all have our human desires but we must forego the temptations& walk the path of straight & narrow,The temptations of Pride, Covetousness, lust,anger, envy, Gluttony, & sloth. Are the main pitfalls of ones walk through life.NO man should judge another.True Grace is a gift, remember the parable of the Good Samaratin told by Jesus himself!!!
---Emcee on 7/9/05


ALAN 8869:"Baptism may follow but I DO not Think IT IS ESSENTIAL", My dear friend as a christian & a follower of Christ ,this statement of yours needs reflection.Baptism is essential & without it you endanger your soul from the Beatific vision.This is said in all the Bibles.Christ was God but in his humanity he was baptised.He even exhorted his diciples to go forth & baptise.It may seem an outward sign but it has inward GRACE.
---Emcee on 7/9/05


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The Bible teaches that we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, and that we are judged by our works according to the standard of the Ten Commandments. But that faith is not a simple mental acceptance (the devils also believe). It is a living, working principle by which the character is transformed, and we become obedient to His will. And this, not in our own strength, but by the power of His indwelling Spirit. No one would enjoy heaven if they do not enjoy being obedient to God here?
---Jerry on 7/9/05


Emcee ... being born again (I refuse to use the adjective "born-again" ... In my day we were converted) involves much more than an acceptance that Jesus is God. It is asking Him into our lives, to take control. That is when one becomes a Christian.
Baptism may follow, but I do not believe it is essential, since it is an outward showing only.
---Alan8869_of_UK on 7/9/05


emcee, It is being born of God. "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a NEW CREATION: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." Jesus told the Minister that he MUST be born-again, so being religious and keeping the commandments is not good enough. Remember the rich young ruler in Mark 10:17-31. Madison, "He that believes AND IS BAPTIZED will be saved; but he that believes not will be damned." Mark 16:16. The Savior himself got baptized.
---Eloy on 7/9/05


Emcee, you seem to have asked a question that you already knew an answer to.

But may I point out that Romans 10:9&10 say that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as lord, and believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you shall be saved (and it doesn't say maybe). Because with the heart man believes unto righteousness and with the mouth confession (of Jesus as lord) is made unto salvation.

Remember how the disciples went everywhere preaching the resurrection?
---Jeffrey on 7/8/05


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Pt 1
What?! Since when is a person's salvation judged or determined by what they do or don't do? Obviously someone forgot to tell the apostle Paul about that because He said - "For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. ... As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature." (Romans 7:16-18)

Sounds to me like he had a little trouble getting the "works" right!
---DoryLory on 7/8/05


Pt 2
"It is by grace you have been saved, through faith & this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God - not by works, so that no one can boast." (Eph 2:8,9)

The word "grace" means favor. God saved you as a special favor because you believed in what Jesus has done for you. You can't take any credit for it, it is a gift from God. Salvation is not a reward for doing anything except accepting Jesus' sacrifice for you personally & works are not an indication of salvation.
---DoryLory on 7/8/05


Pt 3
Salvation is a matter of the heart. "If you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe IN YOUR HEART that God raised him from the dead, YOU WILL BE SAVED. For it is with your HEART that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved." (Romans 10:9,10).
---DoryLory on 7/8/05


Pt 4
God alone is capable of judging a heart therefore no one has the ability to judge whether another person is saved or not. Please do not set yourself up as judge, it is very dangerous. God will be forced to judge you by the same standard that you judge others (Matthew 7:1).

Certainly good works will be a by-product of a changed heart & a relationship with Jesus, but some people have a greater struggle with this than others. Works are never an indication of salvation ... as in Paul's case.
---DoryLory on 7/8/05


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Jesus said that unless a man be born again he cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. He didn't mention baptism in that at all.

What you are proposing is a works theology. Ephesian 2:8,9. It is by grace I am saved, not works.
---Madison on 7/8/05


Eloy :what is born again please do not quote me JohnCh 3v3-18in afew words it is ACCEPTANCE that Jesus is God.people of those days did not know God & jesus as god They were being explained about his doctrine.& how such a following would gain them eternal life,so merely knowing is not enough we must live for him as humans we are easily led astray & it takes a strong person to deny themselves of the things of this world which we meet up with in our daily walk of life.
---Emcee on 7/8/05


emcee, no, commandment breakers are not true christians, but neither are those who are not born-again, nor are those who are not baptised. For if a person truly is born-again, then they will keep his commandments and not break them.
---Eloy on 7/8/05


Xanthi your blog conflicts with Alan of uk:Eloy Living is what you sow,reaping is what you get from sowing.true christians who follow Christ & his teachings are saved by grace,but are christians true who break his commandments?Ann, Baptism is absolutely necessary to be a christian, as it removes all sins that a person commits prior to his/her acceptance of Christ.Dorothy I think you have the right answer Pick up your cross & follow him.
---Emcee on 7/8/05


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A true born-again Christian is saved, they are followers of Christ, and obedient to his word. You misconstrued the scripture, it is, you will reap what you sow. If you sow to the flesh you reap corruption, but if you sow to the Spirit you will reap everlasting life. When a person is born-again they are sowing to the Spirit, but the unregenerate are sowing to the flesh. Not the hearers of the word only, but the doers of the word will enter paradise.
---Eloy on 7/8/05


We are saved/heading to heaven thanks to God's grace and by faith which results in good works and obedience to God's commandments (not to be saved but because we are saved).
---Pierr7958 on 7/8/05


A Real Christian will live right ... he will do good works ... he will visit the sick, feed the hungry & clothe the naked.
If he does not, I doubt he is a real Christian.
See James 2 vv 14 to 20. (... ... faith without deeds is useless ... ... )
But Emcee, Faith come first ... works are the evidence of faith
---Alan8869_of_UK on 7/8/05


If they think that being born again AND baptized will get them to heaven they are mistaken. Faith in the finished work of Christ plus ANY other thing no matter how good it may be in its self = nothing at all. Paul makes this clear in his letter to the Galations when he tells them if they think being circumcised will ensure their salvation, Christ becomes of NO effect unto them and shall profit them NOTHING.
---Bruce5656 on 7/8/05


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Emcee that is salvation by works and we are told that we are saved by grace not by works. Once saved our works are very important (faith without works is dead) but it is not the works themselves that get us to Heaven. The only way is through accepting that Jesus shed his blood for you and paid for all your sins IN FULL at Calvary. Once you understand what Christ did for you you will want to do the good works for others in Jesus name.
---Xanthi on 7/8/05


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