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Why Don't Christians Witness

Some JW's came to my door to talk their talk, I told them I was a Christian and they smiled and left. It left me thinking, that they have the right methods but wrong theology, how many lost do they reach that other denominations don't (by not being out and about?) I wonder.

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MarkV, GENESIS 6:6 says: "And it repented the LORD that HE had made man on the Earth, and it GRIEVED HIM at His Heart." So, YES, according to the Scriptures, GOD does feel hurt and emotional pain and grief.
---Gordon on 7/21/10

He also loves, he was married. We know what kind of emotions are caught up in that relationship.
Jeremiah 3:14
Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD, for I am married unto you:

Ezekiel 16:8
Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love, and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord GOD, and thou becamest mine.
---Trav on 7/21/10


MarkV, GENESIS 6:6 says: "And it repented the LORD that HE had made man on the Earth, and it GRIEVED HIM at His Heart." So, YES, according to the Scriptures, GOD does feel hurt and emotional pain and grief.
---Gordon on 7/21/10


Most Christians don't have a personal testimony of God's power in their lives. So how can they witness? Mostly head knowledge about Jesus, no personal experience.
---Jonathan on 7/21/10


Im done Mark. You want a dictator for a god that feels no sorrow, compassion or love but strictly does things for selfish reasons. Have him. That is not the God of the Bible.

John 14
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father, and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.


Apparently scripture isnt enough to soften your heart. You are in my prayers.
---JackB on 7/20/10


Im done Mark. You want a dictator for a god that feels no sorrow, compassion or love but strictly does things for selfish reasons. Have him. That is not the God of the Bible.

John 14
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father, and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.


Apparently scripture isnt enough to soften your heart. You are in my prayers.
---JackB on 7/20/10




Jack B, no disrespect to you but you are reading without guidness, for you gave a passage that you interpret to imply
"that God who is Spirit cried for the slain of the daugher of his people." When you gave Jeremiah 9:1.

Jack, I do not know where you got that from, but the one crying is Jeremiah. He cared so greatly that he longed for the relief of flooding tears or a place of retreat to be free of the burden of Judah's sin. Jeremiah indentified with his people's suffering (v. 21) as a man of tears (v.9:1), but saw a doom so pronounced that there was no remedy to sooth.
Yes, Jesus is God, but Jesus was in His human nature when He cried. His godly nature does not cry or feel pain, or dies.
---Mark_V. on 7/20/10


"Jack, you did exactly what the cults do when they twist the Words of Scripture to make their point. You used the life of Jesus to make your point...

My jaw dropped on this one.

By answering the way you did, your support the cults view that God cries. God is Spirit. Has no human body, and never pleads with man or can He cry" - MarkV

So God doesnt experience the same sorrow that we experience when we shed tears?

"Oh that my head were waters, and mine eyes a fountain of tears, that I might weep day and night for the slain of the daughter of my people!" (Jeremiah 9:1)

Cultish thinking from Gods own mouth...
---JackB on 7/20/10


"Of course Jesus was completely human, He cried and acted just like all of us. I was talking about God," -MarkV

Jesus IS God come in the flesh. How can you separate the two?

That suggests that the will or heart of Jesus Christ isnt the same as God.

He came unto his own and his own received him not.

Sounds like God to me.

Am I mistaken in my understanding of Calvinism? They do believe in the trinity right?
---JackB on 7/20/10


All of Trav's scriptures are condemnation passages. Anyone can do that if something is really wrong in their hearts. Maybe he wants more people to go to Hitlers ovens, maybe me.
---MarkV. on 7/19/10


Thank you, again. Lying is a testament. Condemnation Scriptures. Hmmm. The scriptures posted rebuke/rebutt false doctrine. You never have a scriptural answer for these scriptures. Not once. You never will. GOD chose the men that penned these witness scriptures. You either avoid/deny, preaching another gospel.
Psalm 94:16
Who will rise up for me against the evildoers? or who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity?

I will.
---Trav on 7/20/10


MarkV, Read EXODUS 20:8-11 and then, GENESIS 2:2-3. There are your answers to your previous question.
---Gordon on 7/20/10




Jack, you did exactly what the cults do when they twist the Words of Scripture to make their point. You used the life of Jesus to make your point. Of course Jesus was completely human, He cried and acted just like all of us. I was talking about God, Jesus Godly nature did not cry. His Human nature cried. By answering the way you did, your support the cults view that God cries. God is Spirit. Has no human body, and never pleads with man or can He cry.
Concerning resisting Grace, "For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable." Romans 11:29. And again, "For as the Father raiseth the dead and giveth them life, even so the Son also giveth life to whom He will" John 5:21.
---MarkV. on 7/20/10


JackB ... I have asked Mark many times, how can saying "Yes please and thank you" be taking Power from the giver, but he has no answer.

But I'm not sure Mark goes as far as to endorse the idea of irrestible grace. I think his view is more that God decides on whose door He will knock.

That would mean that God has determined to whom He will will not offer salvation, so they never have a chance.

By the way, it is Calvin, so Calvinism.
---alan8566_of_uk on 7/20/10


While witnessing over the weekend I had three rather different situations. After proving to a 65-year-old man he was saved he just looked astonished. Witness to a 10-year-old boy who immediately grasp what was being said, and he became very appreciate. A 25-30 checkout girl became interested, told me she was going to a different church that very night. After I've witnessed her we prayed and suddenly she had the most terrific reaction I believe I have ever witnessed. I left her jumping with joy and saying thank you thank you. When you have that reaction from people you realize the Holy Spirit is going before you and melting the hearts of the hearers.
---mima on 7/20/10


Mark, are you suggesting there were 7 Christian churches of Asia, but God is only knocking on the door of one?
Is He not interested in coming into the others? And youre also not even looking at the manner in which He wants to be a part of the church/man. He doesnt force himself in. He knocks just as His word says. He waits for a response from us. We have to LET HIM IN!

Mark, I ask again. Do you have any scripture that directly states (and by this I mean leaving no room for bad interpretation) that a man cannot resist the grace of God?

I mean this is one of the 5 points of Calvanism which you cling to. Surely you have scripture backing it up.
---JackB on 7/19/10


"And why do you have man having power over God?" - MarkV

I have never once said this.

You seem to have a problem with the notion that God offers something to us freely. For some reason that shows weakness to you. Why? I have no idea.

Apparently the thought of God being meek and lowly as he said from his OWN lips when he came here as Jesus Christ, doesnt settle well in your heart.

Reread the gospels again. When Jesus Christ says and does something, picture the Father doing it as well. They are ONE. The Father works thru the Son. Jesus even said this himself. Jesus cried(tears) to people when He was pleading with them to repent and believe in Him.

That sound like a dictator to you?
---JackB on 7/19/10


"Jack B, I looked in Scripture and could not find one place where "God pleads with us, and cries for us" - MarkV

John 7:28

Jesus also cried when He came to resurrect Lazarus. He wept and groaned within himself. "Behold how he loved him!"

The Father and the Son are ONE. You think Jesus Christ feels differently than the Father when one of us dies?

I mean what else can our Creator do to show us His heart other than come down here as one of us and live the life of a servant (when He is our God) even allowing us to put Him to death so He could be our Savior as well? This is not a dictator!

Doesnt quite fit the profile of the god of Calvanism, does it Mark?
---JackB on 7/19/10


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Luke 15. The Prodigal Son.
Please go read it again.

The son realized he had messed up bigtime and decided to go back home to his father.

The father saw him, had compassion, ran to him also, fell on his neck and kissed him.

He was concerned that his son was coming home rather than what he had done while he was away. Apparently had missed him a great deal.

Theres a reason WHY Jesus told us stories like this. Its to help us understand our God and how much He loves us.

Its a personal love between God and his creation. He loves us individually. If 1 sheep is lost He will leave the other 99 to go searching for the 1 lost.

Know your God! He is not a cruel dictator!
---JackB on 7/19/10


Jack, if you are not in disagreement with God, why do you have Him knocking on the wrong doors? Can you explain that? And why do you have man having power over God? In fact, do you belong to a cult, because you have the wrong God. The cult's make a mockery of the deity of God, you do the same thing and accuse me of been in a cult. Yet, I speak for God's rights, you speak for man's rights, now whose rights do you think will be done? "Answer: God's." All your talk comes from the flesh.
All of Trav's scriptures are condemnation passages. Anyone can do that if something is really wrong in their hearts. Maybe he wants more people to go to Hitlers ovens, maybe me. So long as he doesn't. He does not deserve the ovens only others.
---MarkV. on 7/19/10


How do you know that all their theology is wrong if you don't talk to them? Also, are not Christians supposed to discuss and if necessary defend their faith via the scriptures? 1 Peter 3:15

As you stated, they are using the right method. Since preaching was the main activity of Jesus and his followers, shouldn't we as footstep followers to do likewise?
---Gary on 7/19/10


Jack B, if you are not in disagreement then why do you argue so much against God? - MarkV

Im not in disagreement with God, Mark. Im in disagreement with you. But as is typical of cults they hold the belief that THEY are the sole truth ...

You dont even see the contradictions in your own doctrine..---JackB on 7/17/10

A legend in his own mind.
His work, brings opportunity's to post scripture witnessing scripture though.
Proverbs 25:14
Whoso boasteth himself of a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain.

Psalm 144:11
Rid me, and deliver me from the hand of strange children, whose mouth speaketh vanity, and their right hand is a right hand of falsehood:
---Trav on 7/19/10


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Jack B, if you are not in disagreement then why do you argue so much against God? - MarkV

Im not in disagreement with God, Mark. Im in disagreement with you. But as is typical of cults they hold the belief that THEY are the sole truth carriers for God and therefore anyone against them is against God.

You dont even see the contradictions in your own doctrine...

God is so "sovereign" that He controls who believes in Christ and who doesnt, YET He isnt "sovereign" enough to keep His holy word (Bible) free from the "bad translations" of the words "whole world, all men, whosoever".

Im still waiting for scripture proving that Gods grace is "Irresistable".
---JackB on 7/17/10


Until I see scripture proving (not speculating) that Gods grace is forced upon a man and he has no choice but to accept it, then I will stick to my belief that you are simply afraid to question the doctrine your church has been teaching you, Mark.

You are in a cult. And like most people in cults, you are afraid to question your beliefs because you are afraid you are questioning God. Lots of people have died following men they believed were anointed by God. They were scared to leave their church.

We dont need for MEN to teach us the meaning of Gods word. It is revealed to us by the Holy Ghost. 1 John 2:27

If Christians stopped following the pastors of churches there wouldnt be any denominations.
---JackB on 7/17/10


Why does "whoever you are" mean anyone here but "whosoever will" means only the elect everywhere else? Besides, I was referring to Romans 3, not 2, in regards to speaking to the Jews. Read it again. Even chapter 2 says that the Gentiles were not under the law (Romans 2:12-16) but the Jews were (Romans 2:17-24). Romans 3 begins by dealing with the Jews and ends with the work Jesus did for all.

//My point to you before when you claimed power over God to heal//

I didn't say I had power OVER God to heal. You said that. I said it is God's will to heal and that healing flow moves through people. It is His power. I am, as others, just the milk jug . From this point, at least try to get what I say correct.
---Linda on 7/17/10


Linda, what you wrote on Romans is somewhat correct the only thing you did wrong was that you said it was for the Jews only, but everyone is under the law if he does not have the righteousness of Christ. 2:1 begans with, "Therefore you are inexcusable O man, whoever you are who judge"(Jews or Gentiles). Here the message is for "whoever you are"
My point to you before when you claimed power over God to heal,
Romans 1:24 "Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchange the Truth for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather then the Creator who is blessed forever. Amen."
---Mark_V. on 7/16/10


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Jack B, if you are not in disagreement then why do you argue so much against God? You say you agree with,
MarkV,
The Holy Spirit opens the eyes of a man so he can see the truth. Noone is in disagreement here."

Who is the Truth? (Christ). And if the Holy Spirit does not open the eyes they remain blind to the Truth. Without the work of the Spirit you continue in your path to hell with what you call free will.
Who brings life to a lost soul? The Holy Spirit, If the Holy Spirit does not bring life? The person remains the spiritually dead, in need of rebirth.
We are saved by grace through faith. Not of any works of ours, it is a gift of God. All the other stuff you mentioned is but useless talk.
---Mark_V. on 7/16/10


MarkV,

The Holy Spirit opens the eyes of a man so he can see the truth. Noone is in disagreement here.

Its such a shame to be afraid to really examine the 5 points that your church has taught you in fear that somehow you are denying Jesus Christ. When you are afraid to leave your denomination that is evidence that you are in a cult.

I suspect that you had assurance problems until you came to Calvanism and predestination, election, and perseverance are exactly what you needed to hear to resolve your fears. I think thats why you wont let it go.

And only at the cost of teachings billions that God does not want to save THEM from hell. What a self-serving doctrine.
---JackB on 7/16/10


Linda 2: If you read the Word of God you will be able to understand Scripture, but only when the Spirit wants to reveal something to you.
So even that comment you made is also wrong.
---Mark_V. on 7/16/10
Ewesheepbeater, she was not wrong. My heart sought GOD. GOD heard my bleating. The many out there like yourself is who discourages the lost. Sheepbeaters don't have Biblical witnesses but, depend on their wonderful persona's to confuse and drive away Lost Sheep.

Psalm 22:26
The meek shall eat and be satisfied: they shall praise the LORD that seek him: your heart shall live for ever.

Psalm 24:6
This is the generation of them that seek him, that seek thy face, O Jacob. Selah.
---Trav on 7/16/10


MarkV, that is what the law saith to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped and all become guilty before God (Romans 3:19). Romans chapter three is referring to the Jews who were under the law, those who thought they were already righteous before God. God had to shut their mouths by showing them what the law saith. Gentiles were never under the law and were a law unto themselves. They either accused or excused according to the conscience (Romans 2:14,15), though still guilty because of Adam's disobedience.

God has revealed Himself through the conscience and the creation to the Gentiles and through the Law to the Jews. There is no excuse to not at least believe there is a God. Romans 1:18-32.
---Linda on 7/16/10


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1Ti 6:20 Timothy, guard the Good News which has been entrusted to you. Turn away from pointless discussions and the claims of false knowledge that people use to oppose the Christian faith.
1Ti 6:21 Although some claim to have knowledge, they have abandoned the faith. God's good will be with all of you.
---Linda on 7/16/10


Linda 2: If you read the Word of God you will be able to understand Scripture, but only when the Spirit wants to reveal something to you. You also said:
".......then just the fear alone is enough to chase off any seeker."
"To chase off any seeker" you say. First of all the heart of the lost does not seek God,
"What then? Are we Jews any better off? No not at all, for I have already charged that "all men," both Jews and Greeks, are under the power of sin, as it is written, "none is righteous, no not one, no one seeks for God." All have turned aside, together they have gone wrong, no one is good, not even one"
So even that comment you made is also wrong.
---Mark_V. on 7/16/10


Linda, It's you with an agenda, it is to discredit me cause I disagreed with you. You don't study so you say things you believe to be true that or not. You said:
"Some of the things God is said to author such as forced intimacy and putting sickness on His children to teach them a lesson or even refusing to heal them would put any man in prison"

Hear the Word of the Lord:
"So the Lord said to him, (Moses) Who has made man's mouth? Or who makes the mute, the deaf, the seeing, or the blind? Have not I, the Lord?" It is God who is in control Linda. There is no force intimacy, what He gives is the ability to respond to Christ. The person then is able to see and hear and understand the gospel Truth.
---Mark_V. on 7/16/10


Scroll down read my post.

Were you at the Crucifixtion or the Resurrection?

Then YOU are NOT a witness!
---John on 7/16/10


I will remember this one.

More the reason to use witnesses that were there. By the mouth of two or three is a thing confirmed.
More the reason to use prophets to confirm New Covenant doctrines.
And notable by abscence here when the preachery preachers run from them.

Why would one claim truth and run from GODs own men?

Sometimes it is what is not posted or said that says the most.
---Trav on 7/16/10


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I recently heard from a person I was witnessing too.
---mima on 7/15/10

Scroll down read my post.

Were you at the Crucifixtion or the Resurrection?

Then YOU are NOT a witness!
---John on 7/16/10


It appears that there is an agenda to transform every blog on this site to one that pushes the "forced relationship" doctrine. We have a name for forced intimacy in this world, and it is subject to prosecution. Some of the things God is said to author such as forced intimacy and putting sickness on His children to teach them a lesson or even refusing to heal them would put any man in prison. The same God who made man in His image is the same One who said the laws of the land were for our good...and He has never expected man to live up to a standard of righteousness He didn't author. If the enemy can make God appear to be no better than the worst criminal on earth, then just the fear alone is enough to chase off any seeker.
---Linda on 7/15/10


Jack B, you've given one passage and that passage was incorrect, and you say to my question,

"You already know how Mark. So does every other Christian in these forums."

If you know the answer why do you not give the answer to my question? And if everyone knows, no one seems to be backing you up with Scripture.
About John 3:16 Calvinist do not need to have another Bible, they have the same one Arminians have. You just put your own meaning. Lets see, "Whosoever believes" they are saved, and "whosever does not believe" are not saved. Those that do, have it, those that don't, don't have it. Why should it be different? Why does anyone have to change the passages as you claim?
---Mark_V. on 7/15/10


Jack B, sorry but you are on the wrong doors. Rev 3:20-22, refers to the door of the Loadicean Church. This passage is not speaking to the lost. Rather then allowing for the common interpretation of Christ's knocking on a persons heart, the context demands that Christ was seeking to enter this church that bore His name but lacked a single true believer. The poignant letter was His knocking. If one member would recognize his spiritual bankruptcy and respond in saving faith, He would enter the Church. Verse 22, "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the Churches"
When you read the passage you had no ear to hear the Truth of the passage, for you would have heard the Spirit was speaking to the Laodicean Church.
---Mark_V. on 7/15/10


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" The lost have a choice, but they will never choose Christ" - markV

Where in the Holy Scriptures does it say this?

Post it please.
---JackB on 7/15/10


I actually considered your doctrine to be true. I spent weeks in misery while searching the scriptures. I lost my peace, my joy and my love for God. I couldnt feel the love of the Spirit any more.

I wondered if my children were of those who were 'chosen for destruction' and just how many other people in the world God wanted to burn in hell.

Only until I came across numerous scriptures and prayed on those did I come back to the truth. I asked the Lord for his forgiveness and to restore my joy and He did so.

Im telling you now that what you believe is a lie and I can only imagine what you must be going thru inside. My heart goes out to you Mark.
---JackB on 7/15/10


You already know how Mark. So does every other Christian in these forums.

Mark, Ill just post scripture and let the Holy Ghost do the talking. I mean these are HIS words.

Rev 3:20-22
I stand at the door, and knock: IF ANY man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Does this read "Behold I kick down your door and force my way in" to you?

That would be irresistable grace for sure.
---JackB on 7/15/10


I simply can't wait for the Calvanist Reformed Holy Bible version of John 3:16

For God so loved his Elect that he gave his only begotten Son....

Heed the warnings in the book of Revelation about what happens to those who take away from and add words to the prophecies that God has sent us.
---JackB on 7/15/10


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All of this is caused by lack of training from churches, pastors and others who should know the truth. I am greatly concerned by the total lack of concern for the lost by many Christians
---mima on 7/15/10

I could not agree more.

I believe the lack of training is the problem, back to my point of making disciples.

The woman you spoke to did not have the truth needed to be able to witness to anyone. To confront someone with the Gospel you must know it and believe it, and this is why people are afraid. Could she speak to an LDS member who knows the Bible better than she and be able to convice the LDS person that they are in error? No way.

We need to know and be able to use the Word of God.
---Mark_Eaton on 7/15/10


Where do you derive this in scripture, that you are speaking of?
---Trav on 7/13/10

Sorry for the delay,

Matt 28:19 "Go therefore and make DISCIPLES of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit"

2 Tim 2:2 "The things which you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses, entrust these to faithful men who will be able to teach others also"
---Mark_Eaton on 7/15/10


Many Christians consider confrontational witnessing wrong. It is their desire to hide behind such things as I recently heard from a person I was witnessing too. Oh I witness also the person said. How I ask? By my lifestyle, the fact that I try to live a good clean life and harm nobody. From her statement you can see that she believed her witnessing was in her behavior and I later found she also believed her salvation was that her behavior. All of this is caused by lack of training from churches, pastors and others who should know the truth. I am greatly concerned by the total lack of concern for the lost by many Christians
---mima on 7/15/10


..how many lost do they reach that other denominations don't (by not being out and about?)
*****

JW's reach as many as any other BRAND of christianity today

each BRAND teaches its OWN flavor ...some concepts of Biblical truth mixed with much error ...many don't comprehend JW's are not "winning" anyone to God anymore than any other BRAND is "winning" someone to God

God is in control and HE calls those to HIM

many are DUPED by their lying false ministers that the "soul winning - salvation" GAME is a biblical concept

only God calls to TRUTH anyone who is witnessing is SIMPLY witnessing for the GAIN of WINNING people to their BRAND NOT The Father in Heaven through Biblical Christ
---Rhonda on 7/15/10


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Jack B, you are preaching and complaining and not answering the question. Is it because you cannot answer it? If what you said was true, then you should have the answer? Now, its ok if you cannot answer. I was not trying to beat you, only to find the reason how. You did not fail a test, you just don't know how, or won't admit how it is possible here it is again:

""If I understand your statement to be true, Scriptural you say, how do the lost who are kept from knowing the Truth, come to the Truth? Satan's will is keeping them from the Truth, and he is defeating the purposes of God, how will they ever know the Truth?"
---Mark_V. on 7/15/10


Some christians in USA do not know the difference between works and love.
Some are afraid to witness door to door because they see it as works based salvation.

But if you love your neighbour, would you not want to see him saved?
---francis on 7/14/10

This sounds like Fundi-MENTAL arrogance. G-d does NOT need you to save anyone. How arrogant it is to think that if YOU do not knock on someones door and hand him deceptive "Track" he will burn in hell. Learn the lesson of the Priest who was instantly killed because he tried to help the Ark falling off the cart.

There are NO "known" witnesses today!!! They are all dead with the possible exception of John.
---John on 7/15/10


I asked my daughter a few weeks back "Baby if you saw a homeless man lying in a cardboard box and you were about to throw away your french fries from McDonalds, would you throw them away or give them to him?" She said "I would give it to him, daddy". I asked "Why would you do that, baby?". She said "Because they are probably very hungry"

Total depravity? Incapable of making a decision to do good or repent of evil? Really? Compassion is of satan now?

Satan is never "stronger than God". We only give him power in our lives when we sin.

Why do you see God allowing man or satan to do certain evil things as a threat to His sovereignty? He has lost control of nothing.
---JackB on 7/14/10


Mark all men already KNOW the truth.

For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared unto ALL men.

The gospel will be taught to all nations and THEN the end shall come. (Matt 24:14)

Some choose to reject it. Why would someone so foolishly reject Gods love? Because they love their sin too much to give it up!! They don't want to repent and allow God to change their thinking.

Why you stick to this belief that we are puppets either controlled by satans strings or Gods strings boggles me.

If thats the case then NO man is accountable for his sin because he is not even in control of his own actions. The "devil made him do it" or worse God did.

These are the beliefs of children.
---JackB on 7/14/10


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Jack B, you did alot of manuvering and preaching and did not answer my question, which pertains to what you previously said, Here again is my question:

"If I understand your statement to be true, Scriptural you say, how do the lost who are kept from knowing the Truth, come to the Truth? Satan's will is keeping them from the Truth, and he is defeating the purposes of God, how will they ever know the Truth?"

If satan is more powerful then God and is keeping the lost from knowing the Truth, how can they know the Truth? Simple question. With all you were trying to teach me you avoided answering my question.
---Mark_V. on 7/14/10


Some christians in USA do not know the difference between works and love.
Some are afraid to witness door to door because they see it as works based salvation.

But if you love your neighbour, would you not want to see him saved?
---francis on 7/14/10


I have run into and witnessed to a number of JW cult members while mowing lawns, etc.
One difference is that their witness is works-based as an absurd attempt to earn a false salvation.
Its a dead end.
We've seen from disciples to Bolsheveks that if even a remnant is really dedicated, the group can be very effective and persuasive
---larry on 7/14/10


Amen, JackB.
---Linda on 7/14/10


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Mark, JackB is JackB. I am me. Now you're giving in to paranoia. I do, however, love most of the things she posts. Shes a very wise lady it seems.

And to back up what I said:

2 Corinthians 3,4
But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


2 Timothy 2:26

And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

God shows us the truth, just as satan show us the lie. MEN make the choice what they believe.
---JackB on 7/14/10


Mark dont speak so foolishly. Satan doesnt defeat the purposes of God. He simply knew what satan would do to mankind and He made a plan to counteract that.

God doesnt want puppets Mark. Think. He wants us to love Him and obey Him from our heart. Did Lucifer and 1/3 of the angels in Heaven exercise their free will in rebelling or did God force them to?

Have you not read that God is "meek and lowly"? (Matt 11:29). Jesus said that if we look at the Son we have seen the Father.

Considered that maybe the way God writes his laws in our hearts and minds is by doing something so gracious for us that it changes the way we feel about Him. That, sir, is the righteous way to change someones heart.
---JackB on 7/14/10


In other parts of the world outside the USA, churches continue to have street side evangalism. They stand on street corners and sing and preach. Churches continue to send groups house to house, and thatincludes baptist, pentecostal, and catholics.

If you were to spend time outside of the USA about a year when you came back you would not think that there were any christians in America ALL DENOMINATIONS INCLUDED.
Christianity is so vastly different, especially in the west indies.
---francis on 7/13/10


JackB, is this you again Kathr using a different name? And so what you are implying with your answer is that satan is defeating the purposes of God, is that correct? A create being defeating Almighty God?

Here is what you said:
"It is satan's will that a man is kept from the truth - not Gods. This is scriptural.
---JackB on 7/13/10"



If I understand your statement to be true, Scriptural you say, how do the lost who are kept from knowing the Truth, come to the Truth? Satan's will is keeping them from the Truth, and he is defeating the purposes of God, how will they ever know the Truth?
---Mark_V. on 7/13/10


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I asked(through my interpreter) a 75-year-old man sitting on a park bench in Chihuahua Mexico, did he believe he was going to heaven? I do not know he answered, but I think about it every day. After a short witness he agreed to pray with me and he did, immediately everything changed, and the man asked me repeatedly to stay in Mexico and talk to the people. I could only stay for about three weeks. But the people in Mexico, under the black cloud of the RCC, have a hunger in their hearts for God.
---mima on 7/13/10


But Jesus did not command us to go into all the world and win souls. No, He wanted us to make disciples.
---Mark_Eaton on 7/12/10


Where do you derive this in scripture, that you are speaking of?

Jeremiah 50:6
My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.
Matthew 10:6
But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Matthew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
---Trav on 7/13/10


Any 'christian' faith that teaches only certain people are selected for salvation will have no resistance from satan. It doesnt matter if theyre Calvanist or Jehova Witness.

A man bringing the truth will be under constant spiritual attack. He will at times be distracted by things less important than witnessing to the lost. And what true Christian isnt guilty of that? I know I am.

Satan does NOT want the world to know of Gods love for them. He'd rather keep you in bondage by the fear of death, thinking God wants to pour out his wrath upon you when you die.

Exclusion from grace 'christianity' is a perfect way to do just that!

It is satan's will that a man is kept from the truth - not Gods. This is scriptural.
---JackB on 7/13/10


Mark E, Your answer was right on. Numbers seem to be the purpose. As you said, quantity over quality. The churches have fail in discipleship. Winning souls, as some call it, is their concern and they use games, and get togethers like parties, and lobster feasts and in the end they make a calling, and next Sunday they confess thirty came to Christ. I do not mean Mima, but churches at large.
Like tricking them into a commitment, and then say, today I won twenty souls, they then move on, and forget about them, and those people never learn about God, or who He is. Many say they believe and you never hear from them again. Others say they believe, and their mouths are full of venom. No change, they are as evil as before they made a commitment.
---Mark_V. on 7/12/10


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That is an excellent point Mark Eaton. Well said and biblically correct.

BTW.... Witnesses are witnesses to an Event.

The Crucifixion and Resurrection were witnessed by the Apostles and Desciples. They were testifying to what they saw, as you would in a court of law.

There are no known witnesses today!
---John on 7/12/10


Mima:

Brother, rarely do I ever disagree with you in these blogs, but in this I must.

First let me say I am grateful for ones such as you who share your faith with others. You are right, we must be willing to give a reason for the hope that is within us (1 Pet 3:15). We need more souls with zeal like you.

But Jesus did not command us to go into all the world and win souls. No, He wanted us to make disciples. And making disciples takes time, effort, and perseverance. This is where the church has fallen down, making disciples. We have let people flounder and have not mentored and discipled them. We have gone for quantity and not quality and it shows in weak and feeble christians.
---Mark_Eaton on 7/12/10


This question uncovers one of the grave errors of modern-day Christianity. "The true church of God don't have buildings and the like to support."
---Steveng on 7/6/10
Stevening is exactly right.
Witnessing and soulwinning is one of the few activities that you can be assured of God's help in carrying out. Sometimes people come to me and say, I want to do what you're doing okay I say come go with me to the streets and listen. Once in a great while someone is determined and that someone, with God's help, will always become a soulwinner!!
---mima on 7/6/10


Denominational churches teach their congregation to become hearers only. What would happen to thier money coffers if they taught their congregation to go out into the world and preach? They wouldn't have any money to support thier building or any of their entertainment programs.

The true church of God don't have buildings and the like to support.
---Steveng on 7/6/10


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Some churches do doorknock in Australia. It can be a good way of talking to people about their beliefs and inviting them to your church. If they are not interested, just walk away. However, some will talk to you and you can chat about what you believe. It is very important to get the message of Jesus out to people.
---Rob on 7/5/10


If the Holy Spirit comes upon you and I must stress that big point, it is so much fun. But you must depend on the power of God. Joy, man like you wouldn't believe all the way to the jailhouse.
---catherine on 2/6/08


From the moment people know you claim to be a Christian, every word/action will be evaluated in the light of that claim and you will be a witness for sure. Your keeping quiet/inactive will also be a witness. So, we do act as witnesses more than we think amd often are aware of.
---Pierr7958 on 2/6/08


Some people do witness, just not the "cold call" style that the JWs do. I witness to the friends and people I come into contact with throughout my work day and in my programs I participate in. That is called "Friendship Evangelism." It involved developing a relationship with unsaved people and sharing Christ naturally as part of the friendship.
---Madison on 7/3/07


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Many different types of churches still go door to door or stand on street corners and preach or hand out tracts. I grew up that way. I think a lot depends on your type of church or what part of the country you are from or how far away you live from people.
---Jeanne on 11/12/06


Some people from our church care group went out witnessing one day. One person they visited was just about to commit suicide and due to them they didn't & accepted Christ. A GOD THING? They told us in the group but most knew nothing about it.
---Virginia on 11/11/06


I admire the JWs for the hard work they do for it is not easy to door knock..Jesus said "God ye therefore into the world, teaching and baptising" we all have different ways of witnessing
---jana on 5/23/06


Three things: 1. Your JW's visit because they are required too. 2. All Christians do witness, they are either be a positive witness or a negative witness. 3. Your idea of a witness is one who goes from door-to-door. What do you do with the Christian who takes food to a new neighbor to welcome them into the community? Or invites a neigbor to a special function at the church? Or the Christian working person who has a Bible Study during his lunch hour? (etc)
---WIVV on 10/7/05


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JWs believe in salvation by works..the more doors they knock on and the more rejections they get, the closer they are to heaven. Our salvation is so rich and easy and free, that maybe we take it for granted. We're saved, we can sit back and take it easy now. We have to get out and work for the kingdom,to bring others in..I myself am very faint of heart in witnessing- I'll talk about it if approached, but I won't initiate a conversation about my faith.
---Ann5758 on 7/10/05


-2- Some Christians of course do witness publicly in various ways. Some hand out tracts in shopping malls, give testimony in the street through speakers, some churches hold open-air services and go door-to-door. These are all good ways for those who feel called to do so but often get very small results. However, as even ONE soul saved is important, all methods are worth trying if you truly feel God is telling you to do it that way.
---Avril on 7/10/05


Christians tend to witness in a totally different way. We are told to let our light shine before men, which I believe means to let our Christianity show through the way we live our everyday lives. If we are living right it should prompt others to ask 'what is different about that person?' Our peace, our honesty, our dress code, our choice of vocabulary etc. should all be noticeable. Then when asked why we are as we are we should have our answers ready.
---Avril on 7/10/05


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