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Who is the woman in GEN 3:15? Is it Mary?

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Galatians 4:25-29
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not, break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

MarkV will deny this is scripture and scriptural too.

Galatians NEVER once mentions Jacob!
---kathr4453 on 7/14/12


Shira, the similarities of what was spoken of Israel is now applied to Christ. In (Psalm 80:8) Israel was called a "vine" Yet Jesus Christ declared "I am the true vine" The other was not the true 'vine." God referred to the nation of Israel as "My son, My firstborn" (Exo. 4:22), yet Paul later called our Messiah "the first born over all creation" (Col. 1:15) The prophet Isaiah clearly called Israel "the seed of Abraham" (Isa. 41:8), yet Paul wrote, "Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, "and to seeds" as of many, but as of one, And to your "Seed" who is Christ"
---Mark_V. on 7/14/12


Isaiah 43:1
But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name, thou art mine.


Here again MarkV, you are suggesting Jesus was CREATED, and not God from the beginning.

Dangerous, dangerous dangerous is your posts here....

I said before and will say it again, YOU are a Mormon, Mormon, Mormon...

And Mormonism comes from Calvinism doctrine.
---kathr4453 on 7/14/12


Seriously markv..no scripture...or it it scripture you are blinded to.

In ISAAC will thy seed be called. Isaac, who became obedient unto death, The PROMISED CHILD, born of supernatural means represent those BORN OF GOD!
---kathr4453 on 7/14/12


kathr, you do a lot of talking and accusing and never put Scripture down to support you views or even give proof that what I give you, which is from the Word of God is Mormanism. Can you support with Scripture where it is mormanism? I know you cannot because it is all talk and accusations. At least one day stand for the Truth.
---Mark_V. on 7/14/12


Shira, no where does the red sea represent baptism. The Jordan does.

All were baptized UNTO MOSES, not baptized INTO Christ.

1 Corinthians 10:1-3
10 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea,

2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea,

3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat,

So what happened then when Moses didn't go into the promise land?

Were all then UNbaptized who were baptized UNTO Moses?
---kathr4453 on 7/14/12




MarkV, again, your Covenant Calvinism, Replacement Theology tries desperately to make a square peg fit into a round hole.

Jacob means supplanter, meaning to REPLACE one thing by something else.

supplanter means one who wrongfully or illegally seizes and holds the place of another.

The angel of the Lord struggled with Jacob until Jacob was overtaken and unfortunately there were no hip replacements back then.

The Messiah was promised through JUDAH, Genesis 49,

AND Joshua is a type of Christ, who took them INTO the Promise Land.

Even Moses wasn't allowed to do that.

Any CULT including Mormons/JW can take any Bible verses MarkV, and try to make them FIT their false doctrine.
---kathr4453 on 7/14/12


Kathr 3: do you see? ,
After Jesus was born, King Herod felt threatened by the child so sent soldiers to cruelly put to death all the male children who were in Bethlehem (Matt. 2:16) An angel warned Joseph and Mary to flee from Egypt and stay there until He brought them word (v. 13). After (Matthew 2:14) is unbelievable. Under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit Matthew wrote that Joseph, Mary, and Jesus remained in Egypt "until the death of Herod: "that it might be fulfilled " which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet saying, "Out of Egypt have I called my son" Matthew was quoting Hosea 11:1) which, in its context, referred to the nation of Israel being called out of Egypt in the time of Moses.
---Mark_V. on 7/14/12


And lets also remember MarkV, Satan and Jesus are not BROTHERS as was Jacob and Esau.

Therefore your using Jacob as a type of Christ is dangerous.

Those prophecies you stated are in fact prophecies concerning the coming Messiah, Jesus Christ,which today He has already Come.

BUT to use them in a way to Prove that there is a Spiritual Israel is wrong.

It was to PROVE Jesus was in fact the Promised one.

And remember Jesus was baptized in the Jordan, not the Red sea.

It wasn't until Israel crossed the JORDAN that they were saved, and entered in the promise, taken over BY JOSHUA. Not all entered in, but perished along the way.

So will you if you don't ENTER IN!
---kathr4453 on 7/14/12


wow markv, the children of Israel walked across on dry land. where does scripture say they were baptised? maybe I am learning something new here.
---shira4368 on 7/14/12


Isaiah 43:1
But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name, thou art mine.


Here again MarkV, you are suggesting Jesus was CREATED, and not God from the beginning.

Dangerous, dangerous dangerous is your posts here....

I said before and will say it again, YOU are a Mormon, Mormon, Mormon...

And Mormonism comes from Calvinism doctrine.
---kathr4453 on 7/14/12




Kathr 2: There's more
When Israel left Egypt, the people went through the Red Sea. They were baptized ..in the sea (1 Cor. 10:2), in the third chapter of Matthew, Jesus was baptized in the Jordan "to fulfill all righteousness" (v.15). Then God called Jesus, "His Beloved Son" (v.17). After the Israelites passed through the Red Sea, they spend 40 years in the wilderness. Right after Jesus was baptized in the Jordan, He was "led by the Spirit into the wilderness" for 40 days" (Matt. 4:1,2). At the end of those 40 days, Jesus resisted the devil's trickery temptations by quoting three key Scriptures, all from Deuteronomy, the very book God gave Israel during her 40 year sojourn in the wilderness.
---Mark_V. on 7/14/12


Kathr, after the fall God provided redemption through the Seed of the woman. Spiritual redemption.
The first time the name "Israel" is used, it was given to a spiritual man, Jacob (Gen. 32:28) for his spiritual victory, meaning (Prince with God). In the New T. the same name is applied to one Man, to the Victorious One, to Jesus Christ, the "Prince of God." In history a man name Joseph had dreams and went to Egypt (Gen. 37:39) in the New T. another man, Joseph had dreams and went to Egypt (Matt. 2). God called Israel out of Egypt, He called the new nation "My son" (Exo. 4:22) when Jesus came out of Egypt God said, "Out of Egypt I called My Son" (Matt. 2:15) are you starting to see?
---Mark_V. on 7/14/12


Mark, Mark, Mark, where oh where in all of Ephesians where ONE NEW MAN is taught, no longer Jew or Gentile, does Paul ever refer to the Body of Christ as Spiritual Israel? You are calling Jesus ISRAEL? You mean Jesus replaced Jacob, and you make Jacob a type of Christ??? Where in Galatians is Jacob/Israel even mentioned?


We are told we are a NEW CREATURE. Now certainly all are saved through Jesus Christ, however here is the thing MarkV, not ALL are menbers of HIS BODY. That is what is this MYSTERY that was hidden but now revealed to US. OT saints were NOT baptized onto HIS BODY. "
---kathr4453 on 7/14/12


Phil 2: we're told there's "an Israel after the flesh" why mention it, if there was not an Israel of the Spirit? All believers, Jews and Gentiles who believe in the Messiah are born of the Spirit. Notice, the only way to heaven is through Christ Jesus, there is no back door.
Jer. 31:31-34 describes an internal spiritual transformation resulting in a new relationship with God and a new possibility of obedience. The New covenant results in the forgiveness of sins for those in the covenant and its restoration to the land, which Jer. 29:10 says will take place after seventy years of exile. Paul tells us, Israel seek salvation by the law, and never trusted in God. The New Covenant was open for Jews and Gentiles at the cross.
---Mark_V. on 7/13/12


Interestingly, Abraham was long before Israel, as Jacob was called Israel,AND the Abrahamic Covenant says nothing about a "spiritual Israel" made up of Jew and Gentiles.
---kathr4453 on 7/13/12


Mark_V. on 7/13/12 "
bro, Phil, I don't know where to start"

First off, I trust you. Second, the light you have is not from beneath, this I see. Third, I commend you for your honesty.

That said, I am a strict adherent to correct partitioning of the word of God 2Ti 2:15 It has helped me beyond what I thought possible in this day of apostasy.

"...also on the Israel of God." Our apostle is already addressing the Body of Christ, it would be uneeded to interject "also the Israel of God", were it not a separate entity.
---Phil on 7/13/12


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bro, Phil, I don't know where to start.
We are told there is an "Israel after the flesh" (1 Cor. 10:18) know why? Because there is an "Israel of God" (Galatians 6:16) made up of Jewish people and Gentiles who believe in the Messiah. Those that believe in the Messiah are those "who were born, not of blood, "nor the will of the flesh" nor of the will of man, but of God" (John 1:12,13) those that receive Him He gave the right to become children of God. The Spiritual Israel of God, those born of the Spirit.
To apply the "all Israel" which "will be saved" to a group of Jews or Israelis who are separated from God is to deny the accomplishments on the Cross.
---Mark_V. on 7/13/12


Mark_V. on 7/12/12 said:
"And only the Spiritual Israel of God will be saved."

Couldn't find it, the phrase, "spiritual Israel", anywhere in the Bible.

How am I suppose to follow your thinking if you use false words and phrases?

Look Mark, I rely on much of your input as being valid. But using false, unscriptural phrases as if they were inspired by God is too much for me.

Can we please "use the form of sound words", scriptural words that God wrote, so we can avoid confusion, at least some of it anyway?

2Ti 1:13 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
---Phil on 7/12/12


Blogger89, not all Israel is Israel, not all Jews are Jews. And only the Spiritual Israel of God will be saved. The spiritual name Israel was first given to Jacob for his spiritual victory, (Gen. 32:28) The name meant "Prince with God." Even so in the beginning of the New Testament the same name begins to be applied to one Man, to the Victorious One, to Jesus Christ, the Prince of God. The name Israel not only applied to one man Jacob, but also to his descendants, who became Israel, The same principle is revealed in the New Testament. Right after calling Jesus the"Seed" Paul told his Gentile converts, "And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed" (Gal. 3:29). And there is much more-
---Mark_V. on 7/12/12


"To God, he is a Gentile. And the believing Gentile, who through faith keeps "the righteous requirements of the law" his uncircumcision is "counted as circumcision." "To God, he is a Jew. The Baptist, Jesus Christ, and Paul all agree- natural lineage is not enough. Whether or not someone is "an Israelite indeed" depends upon one's faith and spiritual character.
---Mark_V. on 7/11/12


That's Mormonism!
---kathr4453 on 7/12/12


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Mark, I said Israelites, not Jews. Not all Israelites are Jews.
---Blogger9680 on 7/11/12


Blogger89,
There is Jewish people in the flesh and Jewish people in the Spirit. Paul warned the Jews in (Rom. 2:17,25-26, 28-29) saying, if someone who is "called a Jew" because he is a physical descendant of Abraham, and yet who lives as a lawbreaker, is "not a Jew." His circumcision has become uncircumcision. "To God, he is a Gentile. And the believing Gentile, who through faith keeps "the righteous requirements of the law" his uncircumcision is "counted as circumcision." "To God, he is a Jew. The Baptist, Jesus Christ, and Paul all agree- natural lineage is not enough. Whether or not someone is "an Israelite indeed" depends upon one's faith and spiritual character.
---Mark_V. on 7/11/12


kathr4453* Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Isaiah also said a virgin shall bear a child, he will be call Emmanuel vs 7:14 and Rev 12:5 mentions a woman "And she brought forth a man child" but according to you Rev 12:5 the woman is not Mary, how or should I say why? Who is the Child she brought forth who will rule all nations
---Ruben on 7/11/12


Kathr,

As you know the book of Revelation is full of symbolism which has multiple meanings. V5 reads "And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne."--
---Ruben on 7/10/12

Ruben, what does Isaiah say?


Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Ruben, WHEN has that scripture been fulfilled that the Government is on His sholders??? Not until He returns and rules the nations with a rod of Iron during the 1000 year reign.
---kathr4453 on 7/11/12


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Continuing on in Revelation 12

14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

So Ruben, can you tell us WHEN this happened to Mary?

---kathr4453 on 7/10/12

Kathr,

As you know the book of Revelation is full of symbolism which has multiple meanings. V5 reads "And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne." If the woman is not Mary than the child is not Jesus! Remember Jesus wans't born of the Church, He set it up
---Ruben on 7/10/12


Ruben:

Continuing on in Revelation 12

14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

So Ruben, can you tell us WHEN this happened to Mary?

You re saying this has already happened correct?

If you say during the time of King Herod, then you make MARY primary and Jesus secondary. Herod wanted all the children under 2 killed, not Mothers.
---kathr4453 on 7/10/12


Exodus 19:3-5
3 And Moses went up unto God, and the Lord called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel,

4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.


We're going to see this again ...just keep reading Revelation 15


3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty, just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.


Who is THEY here?
---kathr4453 on 7/10/12


Is there any among us that can claim Eve was not their progenitor? Did Adam have more than one wife? Of coourse, there may be space aliens among us...
---Phil on 7/9/12


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Is there any among us that can claim Eve was not their progenitor? Did Adam have more than one wife? Of coourse, there may be space aliens among us...
---Phil on 7/9/12


//"Even so then, "at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace." And if by grace, then it is no longer of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace"
(Romans 11:5,6).
You need to understand election to understand the remnant.
---Mark_V. on 7/9/12//

That passage is clearly talking about the Israelites (not Gentiles) (11:1) They were all blinded, but God reserved a remnant for himself.
---Blogger9680 on 7/9/12


In Elijah's day it was seven thousand people who had not been corrupted by Baal worship (1 Kings 19:18: Rom. 11:1-5). In Isaiah's day it was "very small" (Isa. 1:9). ---Mark_V. on 7/9/12

Markv, in Elijah's time it was 7000 in Israel who had not been corrupted,

In Isaiah's time the same, it was referring to those in Israel,

And in the LAST DAYS it will STILL be those faithful in Israel...Zechariah 12-14.

WE, teh Church are saved from His Wrath to come, and the Church will be RAPTURED at that time, and return with Christ at His second Coming.
---kathr4453 on 7/9/12


kathr4453* In reference to THE WOMAM in Revelation, OR WOAN in Genesis 3:15, but a reality. It is not an individual person,

Then what you are saying is Jesus also is not a indiviual person on both verses!

kathr4453* Jesus However referrs to Himself as the ROOT and OFFSPRING of DAVID, not Mary...Revelation 22:16. HINT HINT!

But on both verses it is speaking about the woman/Jesus:

"and her seed, it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." (Jesus)

"And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne."
(Jesus)



"



---Ruben on 7/9/12


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It's dangerous to force types and shadows where there are none, just to prove your own doctrine.

In reference to THE WOMAM in Revelation, OR THE WOMAN in Genesis 3:15, believe it or not it's not a type or shadow, but a reality. It is not an individual person, any more than Mystery Babylon is an individual country, or THE WOMAN who rides the beast is an individual person.

Are you saying the REMNANT of Mary's seed, meaning Jesus is a remnant, or the RCC is that remnant? And of coarse Eve is the Mother of ALL including those referred to as Satan's seed. Satan LITERALLY has no SEED or offspring.

Jesus However referrs to Himself as the ROOT and OFFSPRING of DAVID, not Mary...Revelation 22:16. HINT HINT!
---kathr4453 on 7/9/12


Judges 5:24-27. is a type and shadow:


Sisera is the enemy of Israel, SATAN'S SEED, and HERE Jael IS THAT woman BLESSED ABOVE all women!

Judges 5:24-27
24 Blessed above women shall Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite be, blessed shall she be above women in the tent.

25 He asked water, and she gave him milk, she brought forth butter in a lordly dish.

26 She put her hand to the nail, and her right hand to the workmen's hammer, and with the hammer she smote Sisera, she smote off his head, when she had pierced and stricken through his temples.27 At her feet he bowed, he fell, he lay down: at her feet he bowed, he fell: where he bowed, there he fell down dead.

MARY will defeat Satan in the end???
---kathr4453 on 7/9/12


#3

So we do know Jael did not literally fulfill Genesis 3:15.

However what we do know is, Whether it's a Sisera, or a Pharoah, or a Hitler, or just all teh Gentil Nations in the end including the RCC, those who are enemies with Israel in the End ARE SATAN'S SEED!

The secret of the Lord is with those who fear Him, and He will show them His Covenant!

And a DELIVER will come out of SION ((meaning Heaven)), and all Israel will be saved/ MEANING: DELIVERED from her enemies.
---kathr4453 on 7/9/12


Kathr, you did a lot of talking putting different context together, a norm for you.
Remnant refers to a minority of humanity that has remained faithful to the Lord in every age since Adam. In Elijah's day it was seven thousand people who had not been corrupted by Baal worship (1 Kings 19:18: Rom. 11:1-5). In Isaiah's day it was "very small" (Isa. 1:9). Today it is composed of members of the true Church (Rom. 11:4,5,6).
Paul tells us,
"Even so then, "at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace." And if by grace, then it is no longer of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace"
(Romans 11:5,6).
You need to understand election to understand the remnant.
---Mark_V. on 7/9/12


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theSeg, i love it.

there are many types and shadows, but that does not mean IS.
---aka on 7/8/12


Who is the woman in GEN 3:15? Is it Mary?
Psa_2:1

Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
Gen 4:2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

Mat_1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

And none of you have a problem with this?
Luk 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel (and to most of you), How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

Her name was Eve!
Wow man
---TheSeg on 7/8/12


Completely agree with Kathr and Francis here. Only the unlearned will struggle with this truth. ---CraigA on 7/8/12

interesting the struggle of the unlearned. one of those two learned above believes that Jesus Christ is the incarnation of the arch angel Michael. (no need to argue. it is just a statement of fact.)

again, joseph (ot) was a type of Jesus as was David. eve was a type of Isreal and she was a type of all women including Mary.

there are many parallels that we take a little to far and some not far enough.

there is the law, prophecy, freedom, and revelation of Jesus Christ throughout the Bible.

to say something IS as opposed to something may REPRESENT or PARALLEL can lead one wayward.
---aka on 7/8/12


Yeah I think most people know that when the "woman" is spoken about in prophecy, is used to refer to Israel as well as the 12 stars which are the 12 tribes of Israel.

Completely agree with Kathr and Francis here. Only the unlearned will struggle with this truth.
---CraigA on 7/8/12


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Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed, it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.



Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

does this need more explaination?
---francis on 7/7/12


Thank you francis, this needs no more explaination.
---kathr4453 on 7/7/12


Genesis 3:15
Rev 12
Genesis 49...IN THE LAST DAYS what will befall Israel,

Zechariah 12-14
Matthew 25
Romans 11 ( The Remnant=Israel)is HER SEED..

The Church again is not a Remannt of HER SEED re Mary or Eve.

We are Abraham's spiritual seed, and Abraham is not a WOMAN.

It's Not HER seed as in the RCC either. SO yes, it is very important GOD takes you to a place of assured understanding.


Jesus is not a HER either.
The Church is not going to be driven out in the desert, Matthew 25, nor worry about taking ANY FLIGHT ON THE SABBATH.

Again MarkV, THIS is not open for YOUR CORRECTION.

This is what I believe, and many GENTILE BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS who know prophecy.
---kathr4453 on 7/8/12


MarkV, and this moronic idea you have that I believe this because I'm Jewish is just that MORONIC.

It's the fact I am a born Again Jew, who is now a member of the Church, and knowing the Church is not refered to as a Remnant is where your doctrine and mine are totally opposed. The Church, made up of both Jew and Gentile are NEW CREATURES IN CHRIST, one NEW MAN, and cannot be a remnant.

Gentiles were never a remnant of anything to begin with.

AND Paul never teaches Gentiles were a remnant in Romans 9-11 or anywhere else.

That prophecy in Genesis 3:15 is totally fulfilled in Revelation when Jesus comes to reign and rule for 1000 years and satan in thrown in prison for 1000 years and then after that DEATH is done away.
---kathr4453 on 7/8/12


Kathr, you do not need my permission to believe what you believe.
Second, the passages (v.15) did not have to say Christ, because He is God and the Lord who was speaking.
And we know the woman was Eve because (v.6) "the woman saw the tree was good for food.." And we know Eve was the one who ate of the fruit. Then we are told that Adam said to the Lord (v. 12) "The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I ate" Adam blamed the Lord. Then (v. 13) The Lord said to the woman, What is this you have done?". (v.15) The Lord now speaks about the woman "I will put enmity between you and the woman..." The only woman there was Eve.
---Mark_V. on 7/8/12


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MarkV, the name of Jesus is not given in Genesis 3:15 either.

I KNOW what I believe and why. I don't need your approval.

So, case closed.
---kathr4453 on 7/7/12


joseph (ot) was a type of Jesus as was David. eve was a type of Isreal and she was a type of all women including Mary.

the are many parallels that we take a little to far and some not far enough.
---aka on 7/7/12


Kathr, the name of the woman in Gen. 3:15, is not given period. You speculate it is Israel and tell me to read ( Gen.49) I did read it and no where does it state that the woman in Gen. 3:15 is Israel. Just not there. But you want it to be there because you claim to be a Jew.
Ruben says it is Mary and gives reasons why, yet he too cannot connect Gen. 3:15 with Mary, and he says that because he worships Mary. For anyone who does not worship Mary and is not a Jew, the woman is Eve only because God was speaking to two people and the Serpent. Adam and Eve. "As a woman" has never meant "it was a woman" Not that I know of.
---Mark_V. on 7/7/12


Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed, it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.



Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

does this need more explaination?
---francis on 7/7/12


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You say the woman is Israel because you claim to be Jew, Ruben claims its Mary because they worship Mary and he is a Catholic.
---Mark_V. on 7/6/12


No MarkV, that's not true. Those who teach prophecy, that is gentile teachers also teach it is Israel.

And Markv, if you read and understood Genesis 49, you would see it too. I don't have time to explain it to you, and even if I did, would not anyway.

You REALLY don't know the answer and backed out of any answer stating you agree with ??? that it's really about Jesus...

So since YOU don't know the answer, please refrain from adding your spin on WHY I believe as I do.
---kathr4453 on 7/6/12


Ruben, I must correct you. Eve did not let sin into the world Adam did. Eve was deceived Adam was not. Eve did sin, but was not born in sin as Mary was. Mary called Christ her Savior, and only sinners need a Savior. Mary did give birth to Jesus but He was of the Holy Spirit not of Mary. "...For that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit" (Matt. 1:20).
It was not the will of Mary to have Jesus, but the will of God, "The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee, Wherefore also the Holy Thing which is begotten shall be called the Son of God" (Luke 1"35). He was to be the Son of God and have no human father. All Mary could do is be submissive to God.
---Mark_V. on 7/6/12


Ruben claims its Mary because they worship Mary and he is a Catholic.
---Mark_V. on 7/6/12

No because scripture says Mary gave birth to Jesus, Eve did not! Eve let sin in while Mary gave us Jesus!!!
---Ruben on 7/6/12


Kathr, the passages you gave say "as a woman" or "like a woman" not an actual woman. The word "she" or "her" is used for a nation. They are not woman but as a woman.
Micha is correct, the importance of the passages in Gen.3:15 is not who the woman was, but that God was gracious with an atonement for sinful man. If we are to consider who the woman was it was Eve, for all descendants come from Adam and Eve. Christians do not believe there was others before Adam and Eve. Matthew geneology goes back to Abraham, and Luke goes back to Adam and Eve. You say the woman is Israel because you claim to be Jew, Ruben claims its Mary because they worship Mary and he is a Catholic.
---Mark_V. on 7/6/12


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The Old Testaments prophets referred to Israel as a woman (Isaiah 54:5-6, Jeremiah 4:31, Micah 4:9-10).
Isaiah 54:5-6
5 For thy Maker is thine husband, the Lord of hosts is his name, and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel,
6 For the Lord hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, ---
Jeremiah 4:31
For I have heard a voice as of a woman in travail, and the anguish as of her that bringeth forth her first child, ---
Micah 4:10
10 Be in pain, and labour to bring forth, O daughter of Zion, like a woman in travail: ---
---kathr4453 on 7/3/12


The woman in Genesis 3:15 is not Eve anymore than the women in Revelation 12 is Eve OR MARY.

For one, Eve doesn't have SEED, and the SEED is Christ who came through the woman, or wife of the Lord who is Israel.
---kathr4453 on 7/3/12

How can it not be Mary? Who is the woman he came through?

Israel did not conceived a child.

Mary is the woman in both Genesis and Revelation!
---Ruben on 7/3/12


This is the first prophesy of the virgin birth. Not from man's seed but from woman's shall the Saviour be born. This gave hope to all women from Eve to Mary that, even though child bearing will be painful, it will be by the woman that the Anointed One would come. This promise, hidden in the serpent's curse, was the hope for all mankind. It is not about who is the woman, but Who is the Seed...
Psa 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God, From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
---micha9344 on 7/3/12


The woman in Genesis 3:15 is not Eve anymore than the women in Revelation 12 is Eve OR MARY.

For one, Eve doesn't have SEED, and the SEED is Christ who came through the woman, or wife of the Lord who is Israel.
---kathr4453 on 7/3/12


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and "her Seed" (Christ, a descendant of Eve, and those in Him) which began in the garden.
In the mist of the curse passage, a message of hope shone forth-the woman's offspring called "He" is Christ, who will one day defeat the Serpent.
---Mark_V. on 7/3/12

If the seed is Christ and it is, why is it so hard for so many of you to admit thta the Woman can be also Mary?

Remember Eve open the door for sin while Mary open the door to the Savior of the world!

"And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus." (LK 1:31)



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---Ruben on 7/3/12


Glean, I agree with you, that the woman talked about in Gen. 3:15 is Eve.
"And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her Seed"
I believe this is the first prophetic gospel, and shows the struggles and its outcome between "your seed" (Satan and unbelievers, who are called the Devils children in John 8:44)
and "her Seed" (Christ, a descendant of Eve, and those in Him) which began in the garden.
In the mist of the curse passage, a message of hope shone forth-the woman's offspring called "He" is Christ, who will one day defeat the Serpent.
---Mark_V. on 7/3/12


In context, the women is still Eve, and then there is a comparison between the Godly and ungodly descendants. Most Christians believe - it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel - because of the use of the singular refers to Jesus, but a few people (improperly) take it to mean Christians themselves. Genesis 6:1-7

---Glenn on 6/30/12


len, I don't know how in all creation you connect the 144,000 with Gen. 3:15. I don't think that you are bringing any light to that passage. Can you give us a clue where you got that from? I would like to know since I have never heard such things. Peace
---Mark_V. on 6/30/12


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u will be enlightened once i explain.the woman inthis important first prophecy is the little flock of co rulers the 144000 bought from the earth thru the ransome.these make up along with gods myriads of angelic creatures make up the kingdom that u and i pray for.these governments are being done away with now and gods rule will soon replace and last to time indef dan2,44.the marriage of the woman is this same 144000and will when completed be with the husband christ in heaven. ive just given the easiest shortest explanation so if any thing at all your not sure of ,then do not heitate to email me ,lets look forward to the new system,last days see 2tim 3,1to 5..len
---len on 6/28/12


The prophecy is definately about YESHUA. Greek wasn't even thought about during those days.

It was Mary God chose but He could have chosen any woman that was willing to obey His Word. If God wanted to reveal Mary in the Garden He would have. He did not. He revealed Christ through the Woman, Eve. And just like the first Adam who's sin was brought into the world and the 2nd Adam, CHRIST took it away, so was there a prophesy about the 2nd Eve or Mary who would not conceive a child with sin nature.
---Ardith_Kay_Tolson on 1/11/08


Some have seen the Woman of the Protoevangelion (as this verse is called) as the Virgin Mary. Some have seen this as the Church.

No reason why she can't be both, is there?

Frequently, Biblical symbols can be understood on two levels at once.
---Jack on 1/11/08


God is first talking to the serpent/the devil and telling him that he will be cursed. God was going to put an enmity or hate between him and the woman and her seed and his seed. This woman is Mary.This is when God first spoke about the his son/Jesus It explains that the devil would bruise his heel, but Jesus would bruise his head. This is explaining the torment and the beatings that Jesus would recieve,but Jesus would overcome and rise from the dead being victorious over the devil.
---Amber on 10/3/06


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It's dealing with women-kind, not an individual. There is nothing a women finds more disgusting than a snake. (I use the Adam Clarke Commentary to research this.)
---WIVV on 8/9/05


God's way ahead of man as usual, using "the top down" approach in His Judgement(s). The serpent, woman, then Adam, the bottom line. The woman ate the fruit FIRST, then as only women can do, involved Adam, who God held responsible as 'head' of "The Recreation". If Adam refused, the woman & the serpent may have had each other for company "outside The Garden In Eden"! Adam had many more ribs! LOL! cp.Gen.3:17-24. "A merry heart does good like a medicine"! Maranatha!
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 7/15/05


He is talking about Mary not Eve. In vs 14 God is telling the serpent (satan) that he is cursed above all cattle, and every beast of the field. Then in vs 15 he tells him that he will put an enmity (hatered) between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed. In vs 16 God is talking to Eve telling her that he will multiply her sorrow and conception... It wouldn't make sence if he were talking to or about Eve in vs 15. The only person satan has so much hatered to is Jesus, and Mary.
---Rebecca_D on 7/15/05


Apples and Apples. Four gospels, four views with the same interpretations, some in more detail than others saying the same thing(s)! Your view, my scriptural view, No Problem! God Bless & Maranatha!
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 7/15/05


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No. It is Adam's wife. The woman realizes her disobedience for following the serpent, and now God is pronouncing judgment upon them and telling what will be for their future generation.
---Eloy on 7/15/05


These vs. are often referred to as the second, or 'Adamic Covenant' [Curse], the first covenant being The 'Edenic Covenant' in Gen.2:8-24. Man fell from a life of blessngs [restored conditionally by Jesus Christ (Gal.3:13) until His Millenium Reign on earth (Rev.19:11-16, 17 > 20:1-15)], to one of a curse [Rom.8:18-23] caused by the serpent allowing satan to use him as he did Judas Iscariot, deceiving Eve, then Adam, forfeiting the world back to him [satan: Isa.14:12>17, 24, Ezek.28:13>19]. Maranatha!
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 7/14/05


The block of Hebrew text between Geneses 3:14-19 is in a non-narrative poetic format. I Cannot vocalize it well enough to identify if it has a rhyme scheme. But the Hebrew is definitely structure text indicating it has some form of meter. Most of Chapter Three is in E form this looks like a P form insert/edit because it goes right back the E form narrative at verse 20 to the end of chapter three. Similar to the three P form insert/edits in Chapter 2
---phia4633 on 7/14/05


What SEED of EVE bruise Satan, Cain or Abel. The woman is MARY and the seed is JESUS...
---ruben on 7/14/05


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By what scripture does it make you believe this woman is Mary? The context is about Eve, and her taken of the fruit.
---geraa7578 on 7/14/05


In this text the Lord gives a prophecy to EVE, who is a symbol of the church; saying that her descendants, Jesus and His followers, would "bruise" or better yet "smash" the serpent (devil)
In other words it is a reference to the battle which has been and still is raging between the woman=church and the serpent=devil until Jesus returns.
---Pierr7958 on 7/14/05


I believe the woman is Mary. All other humans on Earth were born of the seed of man. Jesus is the only human (God-man) who was ever born of the seed of the woman. I agree with Rebecca that God is prophecying Satan's defeat by the woman's seed (Jesus).
---Rick on 7/14/05




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