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Does God Send Evil To People

In 1 Samuel 16:14 the Bible talks about 'an evil spirit" that came from the Lord and in Isa 45:7 it says God sends "evil" to people.. Please explain, Good God sending evil!

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Atheist, Acknowledge "Your" wrongs: you cannot blame God for Your own doings or misdoings. God gave you his gift of free will, freedom of choice, to either do good or else not, and which ever you choose to do will have that cooresponding effect upon your life, whether good or bad, in this life and in that to be. I suggest you stop bad-mouthing the source of your life, and instead begin thanking him for giving you life to do with it however you please. Think of how your life would be today if God decided to repay you for your dirt that you keep throwing up into his holy face. God is good to you: what about you?
---Eloy on 7/31/10


Jack B, can you provide the blog where I said such things about "forknowledge?" I would never say God does not know who will be saved. - MarkV

This will be fun. And, sir, you did (if you truthful with yourself and the Lord) say it.

Hopefully one of the moderators or veterans here can bring it back up. I have no idea how to search back to the end of last year. I believe it was in late Oct of 2009. I was away for about 2-3 months before I started posting again. Ive clicked on your name looking at your responses Mark, but apparently records dont go back that far.

I was keeping record of your most mind-blowing beliefs about God back then.
---JackB on 7/30/10


"....I wish you could understand that this is God's plan....Why did He created this perticular plan? only He knows. Events we see now are the results of sin.---MarkV7/30/10

Hurricane Katrina, the Haiti earthquake, the gulf oil spill, WWII: Which of these were part of god's plan, and which were the result of sin?
---atheist on 7/30/10


Atheist, if you believe what these men ares telling you, you will never come to the love of the truth.

God does not cherry pick. The ones that He has rejected, were rejected because of the pride in their hearts. He hates pride and some will find out the hard way on judgement day.

The Jews thought their "election" was enough as well. Their hearts drifted so far away from God that they didnt even recognize Him when he came in the flesh. They are now cut off and Salvation is come to the Gentiles.

God has NO pleasure in the death of the wicked but that he TURN from his way (Ezekiel 33:11) and it is the desire of Gods heart that ALL men come to the truth and be saved. (1 Timothy 2:4).

A man MUST repent .
---JackB on 7/30/10


Athiest, Eloy is correct. I wish you could understand that this is God's plan. That He is not a God of time. His plan was created in a certain way. It is complete to Him. All the things He planned are presented to us who live in time. He has no trouble with any of it. There is nothing wrong with anything in God's plan, there is fault in people understanding it. Why did He created this perticular plan? only He knows. No one with proper ideas of God supposes that He suddenly does somethng which He had not thought of before. Since His is eternal purpose, what we see Him doing in time is what He purposed from eternity to do. Each event with a cause for another event just as Eloy explained concerning Lot. Events we see now are the results of sin.
---MarkV. on 7/30/10




We are all going to be either in heaven with god, or eternally be tortured." That's right, you either believe in Christ, or you are going to hell. He is also Omniscience who knows where you will be. Then you said, "So to what purpose is god putting us in this sliver of time within eternity?" For His own glory. You don't like God so you don't like His purpose.---MarkV-7/29/10

Well with that information, since god is omniscience he knows I will be in Hell, and since he made me, then his purpose to make me was to toture me in hell. So why is it that I should like him or his purpose? According to you it's a done deal and he made me as meat to burn? Thought: maybe you'll be roasting alongside me. Only god knows for sure...
---atheist on 7/30/10


Jack B, can you provide the blog where I said such things about "forknowledge?" I would never say God does not know who will be saved. "People are not saved by His forknowledge of what man will do in the future, If it was so, it would still mean that man made a choice without God." "In fact, He knows before hand who will be saved or not because He ordained it to be so, not because He knew they would." Believing man can save himself without the help of God is an impossibility, "No one seeks after God" Romans 3:11.
If you could do things without God this passage would mean nothing "without Me you can do nothing."
---MarkV. on 7/30/10


WHY are we attacking each other's responses?

Is that the purpose of this board?

Isn't satan the accuser of the brethren?

Why aren't we responding to the question instead of attacking each other's responses?

I don't get it.....

If I was a MODERATOR on this site, I would not post the responses that attack another person's answer! So there..lol.
---Donna5535 on 7/30/10


Mark that is the silliest accusation you have made of me yet. And quite a hypocritical one if I may say so.

In fact, if you go back about 8 months it was I who claimed that about you because you said and I quote... (best as I can remember)

"It is not possible for God to know things beforehand which by their very nature are impossible to know" limiting his foreknowledge of future events to that of men.

You were the one who seemed to have a problem with that view of "Foreknowledge".

But its nice to know that NOW you do believe that. Of course you could change your mind again in a future blog when it suites your doctrine.
---JackB on 7/30/10


"...if they did not do what they have done then the line of Lot would have ended and ceased to exist, and his deliverance from Sodom would have been in vain."---Eloy.

That's some moral guidance...Incestual fornication is permitted to carry on the family line. If your god was watching and wanted that family line to be carried on couldn't god in his omnipotence found a way that didn't go against the commandment against adultery?

Did god forget how to do immaculate conceptions?

You are the grand apologist for god...
---atheist on 7/30/10




Jack B, you also said something I did not say at all but I will answer you anyways, you said,
"Mark, you just told a man that it doesnt matter whether or not he does good or evil. It will not affect the outcome of his destiny. Do you realize that?"
I never said that to anyone because it does matter. It matters to the person who does good or evil. If he does evil, he is going to hell, if he does good chances are he is going to heaven. Not guranteed because he has to have saving faith in Jesus Christ in order to be one of the elect. If he doesn't he is not one of the elect. It matters not to God because He already knows who will be save and who will not be saved, He is Omniscience, having all knowledge.
---MarkV. on 7/30/10


Jack B 2:
What I think you overlook is that God is outside of time. When we read Scripture we project ourselves from one page to another. As pages are turned and read, certain incidents go into the past in our minds, and others come into the present, and yet others remain in the future. No matter to what page we turn, the events are all present, and actually happening for us at that moment in time when we read.
But to God our lives with their past and future are all present, our yesterdays as well as our tomorrows are all "Now" to Him.
And where you fail is that you see God from man's point of view as if He were living in time, instead of seeing things from His perspective.
---MarkV. on 7/30/10


God is not seeking anyone that will humble themselves, they cannot humble themselves while lost - MarkV

God hates pride Mark. The Jews were proud and they were resisted. Gods own CHOSEN people!

Romans 11:21,22
For if God spared not the natural branches (Jews), take heed lest he also spare not thee (Gentiles). Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity, but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

The Jews were cut OFF! Their proud heart in believing all they needed to be was "chosen" or "elect" came back to haunt them!

The individual isnt elect, the church IN CHRIST is.
---JackB on 7/30/10


Atheist, If you want to praise someone, let it go to Jesus whom is worthy of all your praise. I have already answered the righteous judgment of Sodom and Lot's wife, and why the progeny of Lot was born. As to why people dis Good God I think it may be because it is easier for you to castigate what you do not know of then to change your hardness so that you can enter into the knowledge and joy of God. As for blaming God for man's mess, that is foolish. When a person suffers from their own doing, shall the clay foolishly blame the innocent for their own carelessness? It is not wise to blame the perfect one and how foolish it is to blame the one who has proven himself to be perfect and above reproach. If you want his help, then stop misjudging him.
---Eloy on 7/30/10


Jack B, you said alot but I can only touch one at a time. Here is one'
"Who teach that even though you hear the truth and read Gods word faith may not be available to you because God doesnt want to save you. This is a direct refutation of scripture that tells us faith comes from hearing and hearing by the word of God. Scripture IS the very word of the Holy Ghost"
First I did not say because God doesn't want to save you." It could be He doesn't want to save you today or tomorrow, or it might be that He does not want to grant you faith at all. For the Word of God is heard by many, and not everyone gets saving faith. For faith comes from God. Unbelievers are called unbelievers because they have no faith.
---MarkV. on 7/29/10


Jack B, 2:
You also said,
God seeks people who will humble themselves before Him and admit they are condemned sinners in need of his mercy and grace."
God is not seeking anyone that will humble themselves, they cannot humble themselves while lost. When God draws someone to Himself, The Holy Spirit, (which by the way is God) has to convict them of sin, before they can humble themselves. Take the case of Athiest, he will never humble himself before God until the Holy Spirit convicts him of sin, and He realizes that he is in need of Christ. Until that time comes, he will never humble. His heart has to be changed, and God has to give him eyes to see and ears to hear.
---MarkV. on 7/29/10


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Eloy,

Now that I have acknnowledged your credentials as the medium to the one true god, could you check in with him and ask why he instantly turned Lot's wife into a pillar of salt, but had not response to Lot and Lot's daughters debaucheries.

Also, on more current events, who is god punishing with the BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico?
---atheist on 7/29/10


Athiest, you have to pardon Jack B, for his lack of knowledge of the God of Scripture.

Wow that sure sounds a lot like you just accused me of not knowing the Lord. Thats ok because its your conscience.

Mark, you just told a man that it doesnt matter whether or not he does good or evil. It will not affect the outcome of his destiny. Do you realize that?

In ancient Greece they held the same beliefs. They had a trinity called The Fates that determined whether a man was assigned to be good or evil.

Don't you find it a little unsettling that your church has adopted a similar belief?
Is Jehovah now one of The Fates?
---JackB on 7/29/10


Jack,---no pardon needed...

The thought: "God choose everyone that was ever going to be in his family prior to creation more than 15 billion years ago. If you did not make God's short list is just too bad." And, as consequence some of will be with god, and others eternally tortured, is not just negative but sick.

Is life just some short sick theater play on the stage of the universe created by god with the actors pre-destined to party on forever, or be tortured forever?

Is god so sick that he needs hell as a threat not to do bad in this play, but burns you at the end, because that's the way he wrote it?

And god does this, "For His own glory."

And the men of god wonder why I am an atheist...
---atheist on 7/29/10


Atheist, dissers refuse to accept the evident truth and proven fact that there is absolute right and absolute wrong.---Eloy


I am convinced. Further, I am convinced that Eloy is god's one and only channel to men on earth for his truth's.

Praise be to Eloy!
---atheist on 7/29/10


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And these are men of God.....

Who teach that even though you hear the truth and read Gods word faith may not be available to you because God doesnt want to save you. This is a direct refutation of scripture that tells us faith comes from hearing and hearing by the word of God. Scripture IS the very word of the Holy Ghost.
All scripture is inspired. Or is it just what fits our own doctrine?

May God have mercy on your souls gentlemen. You are leading people into hell teaching them that God may not even love them.
---JackB on 7/29/10


Athiest, you have to pardon Jack B, for his lack of knowledge of the God of Scripture. Friendly Blogger is correct and so is Eloy. Jack said, that the Lord shows mercy on those who fear Him, that is correct, and only believers fear Him, they believe in Him. I know you don't.
You said, "Great...so it really doesn't matter what I or anyone else does. We are all going to be either in heaven with god, or eternally be tortured." That's right, you either believe in Christ, or you are going to hell. He is also Omniscience who knows where you will be.
Then you said, "So to what purpose is god putting us in this sliver of time within eternity?" For His own glory. You don't like God so you don't like His purpose.
---MarkV. on 7/29/10


Atheist, dissers refuse to accept the evident truth and proven fact that there is absolute right and absolute wrong. And so our God along with all whom are born from him need no apologizing for our innocence, for he is proven to be 100% perfect and we are the manifested and proven righteousness from him. "Who will call accusation against God's elect? God whom justifies. Little children, let no person deceive you: whoever that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world." Rm.8:33+ I Jn.3:7+ 4:17.
---Eloy on 7/29/10


Don't listen to that hogwash, Atheist.

That is the doctrine of a few Christian people that are so concerned with their eternal salvation in Christ they have given in to a doctrine of false security.

God seeks people who will humble themselves before Him and admit they are condemned sinners in need of his mercy and grace.

Any man can ask Jesus Christ into his life to change his ways of thinking and living and that man will never be denied the life-changing love of God.

All that stands in a man's way is his own pride.

The Lord shows mercy and grace to those who fear him. Thats who He was, is and will always be.

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
---JackB on 7/29/10


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Atheist, you have tunnel vision and are not accepting of all the facts. Lot and his family were forewarned not to look back, else they would be consumed in the perversity of the city: "The angels hurried Lot, saying, Get up, take your wife and your two daughters which are here, else you be consumed in the perversity of the city. Escape for your life, look not behind you, neither stay you in all the plain, escape to the mountain, else you be consumed. But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of sodium." Gn.19:15,17,26. And as for Lot's daughters, if they did not do what they have done then the line of Lot would have ended and ceased to exist, and his deliverance from Sodom would have been in vain.
---Eloy on 7/29/10


God choose everyone that was ever going to be in his family prior to creation more than 15 billion years ago.

If you did not make God's short list is just too bad
---Friendly_Blogger on 7/28/10

Great...so it really doesn't matter what I or anyone else does. We are all going to be either in heaven with god, or eternally be tortured. So to what purpose is god putting us in this sliver of time within eternity. He has already decided who will join him, or be forever tortured for his sadistic pleasure.

If your god is not a sadist why couldn't he just skip the whole creation thing, and just make himself a few friends to hang out with in heaven?

BTW you don't know that you're on the short list, do you?
---atheist on 7/28/10


The man who suffers nothing has no reason to call upon the Lord for his power.

Suffering can be a blessing when its over and we look back on it because it brings us closer to God.

Although during that time of pain we feel as though God has abandoned us. Many Patriarchs experienced this as we do. The Psalms has many prayers basically asking the Lord where he is.
---JackB on 7/28/10


Eloy,

Try to look at the world a little more broadly. Okay, so maybe Job's family had done some sinning, so does that mean:

1)Once upon a time god's punishment was almost immediate, but not now?

OR

2)God's punishments are still immediate, and we should conclude that the people in Haiti had it coming, and serial killers are not really so bad.

Back to Lot:His wife looks over her shoulder and god's response is immediate and harsh, but Lot's and his daughters do what they did, and nothing. Was god just not paying attention, or looking the other way while conversing with satan?
---atheist on 7/28/10


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It is much more a matter of withdrawing his protective influence and allowing natural or political/military calamities to occur then making them happen.

If you are in a good covenant relationship with YHWH you are under his protection as being a member of his family.

If you are not in a covenant relationship with YHWH you are on your own and probability is not in your favor.

God choose everyone that was ever going to be in his family prior to creation more than 15 billion years ago.

If you did not make God's short list is just too bad
---Friendly_Blogger on 7/28/10


know that God allows things to happen. Saul fell from God (backslide) and when he did an evil spirit troubled him, and God allowed it to trouble him. God doesn't tell evil to attack us. But there are two ways evil can trouble us, 1. when one starts to backslide and then just gives up, 2. when someone is getting closer to God.
_ Rebecca D.

Outstanding Rebecca.

Sovereignty is the answer to the question in a word.
---larry on 7/28/10


Eloy:

You are right. I stand corrected.


atheist:

Eloy has been doing that for years (all the time I have known him on these blogs). Sometimes correctly, sometimes not.
---StrongAxe on 7/28/10


"Unregenerate man can not see nor know as God does."---Eloy

So the best you can do is play apologist to god by calling me an unregenerate man?

That's a slippery slope you are climbing, because it not only leaves god off the hook, but allows you to interpret scripture exactly to your liking and use the same statement against anyone who doesn't agree with you. Making you of course, god's channel to earth on all topics.
---atheist on 7/28/10


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strongax, There is no record that Job's wife and children were obeying God and were innocent, and God knew full well that Job desired that his wife and children would follow God. But it is clearly recorded quite to the contrary: "And Job offered burnt offerings for the number of them all: for Job said, it may be that my sons have sinned, and mocked God in their hearts, Thus did Job continually. Then said his wife to him, Do you still retain your integrity? Mock God, and die." Job.1:5+ 2:9.
---Eloy on 7/28/10


atheist, God did not succumb to evil, for God is holy and almighty and he cannot be tempted to sin. Unregenerate man can not see nor know as God does. For just as a rose bush knows not why its limbs are cut off, but the husbandman knows why, and does this for good reason.
---Eloy on 7/27/10


Eloy:

Small comfort that was to Job's wife and children. Through no fault of their own, they were killed by Satan, with God's blessing - just for a bet.
---StrongAxe on 7/28/10


"Recall brother Job?","You cannot pick a verse out of it's context to support falsehood","When God came to destroy the entire cities of Sodom and Amorrah for their sin,...."------Eloy on 7/26/10

Context: the rest of the stories?

Job: God let Satan do what he did to Job to test a sadistic bet made to Him by Satan. God succumbed to the evil tricks of Satan out of pride, allowing terrible things to befall Lot.br>
Lot: Without detail,there's a story I would not completely tell my children until they were adults. Starting with Lot's offer of his daughters to stranges for protection, and ending, his wife incinerated after looking backward, with Lot in a drunken fling with his daughters.
---atheist on 7/27/10


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When God sends evil to his children, it is for our good. Recall brother Job? God told Satan to give Job hell, but to not kill him. So Satan killed all of his children, destroyed what he had, gave him a horrible disease, and turned his wife and friends against him. And Job said to God, "My days not few? Cease, let me alone, that I may take comfort a little before I go, I will not return, to the land of darkness and the shadow of death." Job 10:20,21. Then Job finally said to God, "I have heard of you by the hearing of the ear, but now mine eye sees you. Therefore I despise, and abase in dust and ashes." Job 42:5,6. Then God turned the evil from Job and gave him twice as much as he had before. Job 42:10-17+ James 5:11.
---Eloy on 7/27/10


atheist, God is perfect, above reproach, and ultimately in complete control over all his creation. You cannot pick a verse out of it's context to support falsehood. When God came to destroy the entire cities of Sodom and Amorrah for their sin, Abraham not wanting his nephew and family to also be destroyed, asked God "Will you destroy the righteous with the wicked?", and "If you find ten righteous in the place, will you destroy the place inspite of the ten?" God answered, "If I find ten righteous, I will not destroy the place for the ten." He went down and found only Lot and his family were righteous, so he told them to flee the city because he was going to make utterly away the whole place for their wickedness.
---Eloy on 7/26/10


Athiest, God is effecting the lives of individuals. If He didn't the results would be different then what He ordain and written in Scripture. He says, "I form the light, and created darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I am Jehovah that doeth all these things." Is. 45:7. and in Amos 3:6 He says, "Shall evil befall a city and Jehovan hath not done it?" All of Scripture speaks of the Works of God. I have been saying this to everyone, but many will not hear or listen, they want a god that fits their theology. God's providential control extends to all events, even the most minute. He conducts the course of history to its appointed end. What kind of God would we have if He could not see the end of His own plan?
---MarkV. on 7/26/10


Athiest, Eloy has answered correctly concerning what he has said about God. I do not believe Eloy can possibly know where everyone goes to, whether babies or adults. If you need an answer for that, you have to go to God. But you do not believe in God so you cannot go to Him and will propably believe another athiest who thinks like you. What ever answer he would give you, you would just ask another question. Seems kind of useless discussing Godly things when you do not believe in God. It's propably entertaining for you, to see how you can question a believer's heart.
---MarkV. on 7/26/10


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Eloy,

1Sam16:14"Now the Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him."

Isaiah45:7"I form the light and create darkness,I bring prosperity and create disaster,I, the LORD, do all these things."

These quotes, say that god is actively effecting people. These quotes have no relation to the infliction of punishment in an afterlife, or the evil or good that people do in their lives to determine their afterlife destination. Therefore, we must conclude that those that suffer do so because they are being tormented by an evil spirit sent by god, or that disasters are directly caused by god.
---atheist on 7/25/10


John 12:24:
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

No! Its not easy to see God, by the things on earth. Is it?
And its not easy to see, what you do not believe.

Going back, he said:
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Maybe you should read Rev 20 is saying for yourself.
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches!

atheist
Why did men throw themselves on hand-grenade in the war?
Was it because he loved the men around him?
Peace! atheist.
---TheSeg on 7/26/10


It is not sadistic nor any evil thing to repay exactly that what belongs to the evil, namely, evil, it all belongs to the evil: and likewise, good belongs to the good. This is what is called Righteous Judgment: the evil get their deserved evil, and the good get their good. That is why there is a hell created, and also a heaven created, each a separate place for the two separate kinds of people. We the righteousness of God suffer evil in this world because until the final Judgment the evil tares must grow together with us the righteous wheat: but when the Almighty Christ comes, which will be sooner than most people think, he will separate the evil from the righteous, and he will throw them into the fiery furnace to burn without end.
---Eloy on 7/25/10


Yes Ben, there are some examples during the times of the patriarchs where God in his sovereignty used evil spirits for his own purpose for which no explanation is owed by the creator to the creature.

I haven't found any such examples in the new testament post-gospel where God has sent evil but instead just allow man to go his own way and become ensnared in the choices of his own soul.

Still, God can do whatever he wants when he wants.
---larry on 7/25/10


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eloy,

So where do the young children that die by the thousands everyday of disease and starvation, fit in the cosmology of good and evil over which your god has complete control?
---atheist on 7/24/10


2Sam.12

11] Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.


2 Sam.24

16] And when the angel stretched out his hand upon Jerusalem to destroy it, the LORD repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed the people, It is enough: stay now thine hand. And the angel of the LORD was by the threshingplace of Araunah the Jebusite
---toni on 7/24/10


Everything that God does is for our own good. We see it as evil. But in Gods sight , it is not evil. It is our way of thinking that makes it so. God ways are not our ways. God thoughts are not our thoughts. Isiah ch 55.
---Robyn on 7/24/10


Scripture tells us that God sent lying spirits in the mouths of false prophets in the Old Testament. It also states that God will send strong delusion to those who choose to believe a lie and be damned by it in the second book of Thessalonians. He sent evil upon Israel to get them to come back to Him as well as to punish some of them for their sins. I believe He has done this with Christians at times as well. If I had more room, I could prove and teach this more at length.
---chria4685 on 7/24/10


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Josh.23

[15] Therefore it shall come to pass, that as all good things are come upon you, which the LORD your God promised you, so shall the LORD bring upon you all evil things, until he have destroyed you from off this good land which the LORD your God hath given you.

Judg.9

[23] Then God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem, and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech:
---toni on 7/23/10


Deut.29 [20] The LORD will not spare him, but then the anger of the LORD and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the LORD shall blot out his name from under heaven.
[21] And the LORD shall separate him unto evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the covenant that are written in this book of the law:
[22] So that the generation to come of your children that shall rise up after you, and the stranger that shall come from a far land, shall say, when they see the plagues of that land, and the sicknesses which the LORD hath laid upon it,
---toni on 7/23/10


God is a just God. He is perfect, above reproach, and ultimately in complete control over all his creation. It is his law: "What goes around comes around, what you give is what you get, and what you sow is what you reap." If you put out good, then eventually good will come back to you: however if you put out evil, then evil will come back upon you. If a soul is evil, then of course God will send their just deserts to them and he will repay them evil for their evil doings.
---Eloy on 3/28/08


Although God made hell and the eternal lake of fire, he did not make hell for the righteous, but instead he made it for the devil and for the disobedient evil-doers whom follow the devil. God made the glorious paradise for the good people, and the hoorible torments for the bad people.
---Eloy on 3/28/08


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Although God made hell and the eternal lake of fire, he did not make hell for the righteous, but instead he made it for the devil and for the disobedient evil-doers whom follow the devil. God made the glorious paradise for the good people, and the horrible torments for the bad people.
---Eloy on 3/28/08


Evil and sin are not God's work, it is the work of men who pervert God's righteousness.

God taking off the restraint from wicked men is judgment, not sin or evil.

MMR
---Michelle on 3/27/08


Gods judgments, withdrawing His hand of protection is righteous. The righteous judgment of God is not an unlawful, sinful or evil act, it is exactly what man should expect of a righteous God. Righteous judgments.

MMR
---Michelle on 3/27/08


God can allow evil spirit to come upon an evil person close to being insanity or perhaps absolute insanity. When a person does not have the good spirit which is ofcourse God then that person is a real prey to the evil spirit which is ofcourse Satan. He may become fretful, and peevish, and discontented, timorous, and suspicious, trembling.
---catherine on 3/27/08


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No. There is no evil in God, none whatsoever.

1 John 1: 5 God is light, in Him there is no darkness at all.

James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth He any man.

MMR
---Michelle on 3/27/08


Romans 1:18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.

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---Michelle on 3/27/08


For since the creation of the world God's eternal power -- being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

For although they knew God, they neither glorified Him as God nor gave thanks to Him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools.

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---Michelle on 3/27/08


Here the first thing we need to notw ia that Saul had stopped listening to the Lord. As a result of his "backsliding" the Spirit of the Lord (H.S.) left him v14. Result: H.S. out, the devil"s spirit went in. Acc. to Math 12:30 it is either the one or the other that rules-no neutral ground. So what happened is that the Lord simply withdrew His protection rather than actually "sending" an evil spirit. TO BE CONT.
---Pierr7958 on 3/27/08


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Hi read the blog "Explain Isaiah 45:7 the answers are there. Now 1 Samuel 16:14 But the Spirit of Yahueh departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from Yahushua troubled him. (Yahushua created Lucifer who became evil and so the evil was attributed by the translators to come from Yahushua). Whereas we KNOW Yahushua does not have an evil spirit. Hope this helps
---Toby on 6/7/07


God created evil, not the evil of sin, God is not the author of that, but the evil of punishment He did create. In 1 Samuel The Spirit of the Lord departed from him. When you drive the good spirit away you become a prey to the evil spirit. Fearfulness, trembling, fretful,timorous, discontented.
---catherine on 5/25/07


God requires simple obedience. All through the old Testament, he has rebuked his children to get them to do what He requires.He chastens those He loves. The evil you discribe is that while he is loving He becomes angry with the wicked and inflicts terrible punishment. The spirit from God was not one that was in Him but one that he created,namely satan. New Test tells that we are not tempted by God, but we are chastened(punished)if he loves us.
---jody on 5/25/07


God lifts a veil of protection and permits torment based on our actions, or even what we may need to withstand. Paul said he was buffeted by a demon so he would remain humble before God as he received revelations(2 Corinthians 12:7). A true Christian that does wrong and doesn't repent, God will lift his protection and let torment come. I've been a witness to that myself. It all boils down to what God allows. This is why we are in consant need of God and should always be yielding to His will everyday.
---Matthew on 5/25/07


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I know that God allows things to happen. Saul fell from God (backslide) and when he did an evil spirit troubled him, and God allowed it to trouble him. God doesn't tell evil to attack us. But there are two ways evil can trouble us, 1. when one starts to backslide and then just gives up, 2. when someone is getting closer to God. Paul said when I do good, evil is always present. Satan tried every way for Job to curse God, satan took everything he had and God allowed it. But he never did he kept the faith.
---Rebecca_D on 5/25/07


Much OT text uses the word "evil" in a different context than is usually thought of by most people. It can either refer to enmity or rebellion against God, or it can refer to some sort of catastrophe, like plagues or floods. The first is what God and his people see as evil, the second is what man without God's guidance sees as "evil".
---david8576 on 4/23/06


3. all the parts in the whole nor the whole in all its parts. If at one glance we could take in the whole spectacle of the natural world and the complex actions of human history, we would see the world as one harmonious unit manifesting the glorious perfections of God. Most of you see a God waiting to see if you will love Him or not. If you don't He cast you out to hell. That He knows what is to come is true. There is no surprises from our actions. We don't defeat His purpose or plan.
---lupe2618 on 8/6/05


2. "Order is heaven's first law." From the divine viewpoint there is unbroken order and progress from the first beginnings of the creation to the end of the world and the ushering in of the Kingdom of heaven in all its glory. The divine purpose and plan is nowhere defeated nor interrupted; that which in many cases appears to us to be defeat is not really such but only appears to be, because our finite and imperfect nature does not permit us to see
---lupe2618 on 8/6/05


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Some of you make God working through time. That He gives the Holy Spirit and then takes it away because a person changes his mind. That you become the Holy temple of God and then removes it, and the devil takes His place. God is infinite. His work is infinite. Nothing surprises Him. He knows the beginning and the end. You and I cannot change what He has prepared for His Church. If we could, we would be more powerful then Him. How could we be assured of anything if it depended on man?
---lupe2618 on 8/6/05


3. God didn't just realize that man was going to change his mind and acted on man's actions, for God does not learn as time passes. To Him there is no time, and He knows all. Every move He made in infinite time has a reason. If you go to 1 Kings 21: 29, you will read what God has to say about evil. Verse 29 "Seest thou how A'hab humbleth himself before Me? I will not bring the evil in his days: but in his son's days will I bring the evil upon his house."
---lupe2618 on 8/6/05


2. verse 23. "Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee." I do believe that God is sovereign and He can do anything He so wishes. The Holy Spirit left Saul, but it wasn't because of Saul's free will, It was because God ordained it to be that way. God knew what Saul was going to do way before the Spirit left him. God didn't just realize he was changing his mind and going against Him.
---lupe2618 on 8/6/05


To all that have answered on this subject I would like for you to go to 1 Kings 22:19-23, In verse 21 "and there came forth a spirit, and stood before the Lord, and said, I will persuade him. And the Lord said unto him, Wherewith? and he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And He said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.
---lupe2618 on 8/6/05


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Sometimes, it's necessary for God to afflict us. Otherwise, we might learn to rest our hearts in this world and forget about Him, and He knows that in the end that mistake would lead us to eternal misery and death. All He does, He does for love of us. In the KJV, anything painful or trying was sometimes described as an "evil", because the word had a broader meaning back then.
---Billy on 7/21/05


i see it like this, when the first man and woman sinned along with the serpent (which is Satan), God threw all three out of the garden into the earth, "to duke it out" so to speak, and the people who choose the Lord instead of continuing allegiance with Satan, and who endures up to the end will be restored back up to heaven. In the meantime count it as conditioning and tempering in the furnace of affliction; and i kid you not, we are each one at a very real war even to the death.
---Eloy on 7/21/05


God having the power to both good and evil,does not make Him evil. The flood of Noah's day was an evil on them, raining fire on Sodom and Gomorra,was an evil on them. Opening the ground and swollowing Korah Dathan and Abiram and thousands with them was an evil on them....None of this makes God "evil"
---1st_cliff on 7/20/05


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