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Explain Matthew 28:19

In Matt. 28:19 I believe that "the name" was originally "my name", which was changed by the catholic church. but my friend says that the word cannot be added to or subtracted & the word of God is the final authority. What do I say?

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\\It's txting lingo, (you's, others) (ain't, ain'ts) (what, whut) (learn, larn) (get, gat) (your's, your'n) etc. Not bein offensive at all.
---Lawrence on 3/12/15\\

d()()d, rite rite.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/13/15


Wow Lawrence that is the nicest thing in fact the only nice thing I have seen from you here.

Keep it up.

agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/13/15


Cluny
No airhead here.
English?
I use it as meaning, others in txting.

Wow irritated orthodoxy person don't need to be so upset.

As like 1 other replied on a blog saying, your bullying.

I forgive you.
Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 3/12/15


And just what does "you's" mean in standard English?

If you write like a brainless airhead (aka text speech), it means you THINK like a brainless airhead.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/12/15


It's txting lingo, (you's, others) (ain't, ain'ts) (what, whut) (learn, larn) (get, gat) (your's, your'n) etc. Not bein offensive at all.
---Lawrence on 3/12/15




Lawrence:

You keep parroting these verses over and over again (Matthew 7:13, John 10:1, 2 Corinthians 11:14, Revelation 17:4-6). All of these warn about people who approach God the wrong way, but none of them says what the wrong way IS. Your assertion that it is trinitarianism has NO BASIS in ANY of these scriptures - you are merely reading between the lines.

Why do you make such a big deal out of this issue, anyway? The fact that people can read the Bible and get both oneness and trinitarianism out of it means it isn't dealt with in a crystal clear manner. Neither Jesus nor the Apostles seemed to consider it a major issue. Why do you? From your posts, it sounds like you believe this to be the major cornerstone of Christian belief.
---StrongAxe on 3/12/15


\\Your & you's theology ideology of 3 persons godhead Is Wrong from the beginning & still Wrong today\\

Is your best comeback to badly paraphrase me?

And there's no such word as "you's". Please write in English.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/11/15


Cluny
Your & you's theology ideology of 3 persons godhead Is Wrong from the beginning & still Wrong today. When God's Word said, in the beginning God, Not gods. 2nd.Cor.11 v 14 been pushing the 3 persons godhead religion ever since. God put the devils religion in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6 still pushing peoples to climb up John 10 v 1, to Mat.7 v 13 still pushing peoples to their destruction hell & the lake of fire. You peoples are letting him do it. It's your choice. I Thank God He saved me from this Deceiving mess of Lies of 3 persons godhead.

Jesus Is the only person, Col.2 v 9.
Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 3/11/15


\\S A
I have no theology.\\

Yes, you do. That's like Steveng saying he's not a member of a denomination.

Your theology is Sabellian modalism. It was wrong in the 200's and it's still wrong.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/11/15


Lawrence:

You said: I have no theology.

Trinitarians believe the father, son, and Holy Spirit are one, but different. This is a theological position.
You believe the father, son and Holy Spirit are one, and the same. This is a different theological position. You DO have a theology, and it differs from that of most other Christians on this planet.
---StrongAxe on 3/11/15




S A
I have no theology.

For the commandments doctrines of men heresy theology ideology 3 persons godhead believers in Rev. 17 vs 4 5 6, with their easy believism, no works salvation, once saved always saved other etc, Are trying here John 10 v 1, which Are many Mat.7 v 13. Being All part of the literal gates of hell, and shall not prevail against The Acts Church of The Living God.

Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ..
---Lawrence on 3/11/15


Lawrence:

You said: If you believe then you must obey Mark 16 v 16. Acts 2 v 38 Fulfills Mat.28 v 19, The name. That name Is Jesus Christ.

Why not just obey Matthew 28:19 in the first place? If you follow that formula, and (as you believe) "the name" refers to all three, this should not disagree with your particular theology.
---StrongAxe on 3/10/15


"This is He that came by water and by blood, Jesus Christ, not by water only but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that bears witness because THE SPIRIT IS TRUTH."

For there are three that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost. AND THESE THREE ARE ONE.

And there are three that bear witness on earth, the Spirit, the water and the blood. AND THESE THREE AGREE AS ONE." 1 John 5:6-8.
---barb on 3/10/15


Using my cell at times for reply.
There is No one found in the scriptures that were baptized in the titles, Father, Son & Holy spirit. I hear To Many trinity Lies in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6, John 10 v 1, Mat.7 v 13 saying you Don't have to be baptized, just believe. I Thank God He saved me from These Lies & this Deceiving mess.

If you believe then you must obey Mark 16 v 16. Acts 2 v 38 Fulfills Mat.28 v 19, The name. That name Is Jesus Christ.

Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 3/10/15


Lawrence:

You said: No found in scriptures was baptized in the titles Father, Son & Holy spirit.

True.

When people do, they go down a dry sinner & come a wet sinner. Nothing happened. They just got wet.

False. Do you have even a shred of evidence to support this claim? I don't think so.

Matthew 28:19 is what Jesus himself said on this subject. Should we listen to him, or to you?
---StrongAxe on 3/10/15


\\No found in scriptures was baptized in the titles Father, Son & Holy spirit. When people do,\\

Like in Matthew 28:19?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/10/15


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I thank God I was baptized in The name Jesus Christ. Acts 2 v 38. Be cause it Fulfilled Matt.28 v 19. The name.

No found in scriptures was baptized in the titles Father, Son & Holy spirit. When people do, they go down a dry sinner & come a wet sinner. Nothing happened. They just got wet.

Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 3/8/15


Jhn 14:15-17

If ye love me, keep my commandments.
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever,
Even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him, for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Pro 15:32-33 KJV He that refuseth instruction despiseth his own soul: but he that heareth reproof getteth understanding. 33 The fear of the LORD [is] the instruction of wisdom, and before honour is humility.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/7/15


Don't feel sorry for me, & I Thank you for proving my point Samuel.

No matter what you & others say, the commandments doctrines of men the 3 persons godhead believers in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6, John 10 v 1, Mat.7 v 13 being all part of the litteral gates of hell shall not prevail against The Acts Church of The Living God.

Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 3/6/15


Thank you for proving my point Lawrence. I post a scripture that says you are misusing and misquoting the Bible.

You deny what the scripture says and give no reason why. You have not answer except to assert your dialogue. My son calls what you do being a troll.

I am sorry for you. May GOD help you. Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/5/15


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Poor Samuel you cant even find scripture for what you produce. You's keep throwing the deceiving lies of trinity objects.

Still again, the 3 persons godhead believers in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6, John 10 v 1, Mat.7 v 13 all part of the literal gates of hell, shall not prevail against The Acts Church of The Living God. Mat.7 v 14

Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 3/5/15


Poor Lawrence you cannot even find a verse that agrees with you. You give verses that are misused.

John 10:1

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

This is a truth I follow. But you follow your church tradition above scripture. Read John 1 & 14:23-28

Heb 1:2
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds,

According to your word, GOD is lying. So why should I believe you above GOD?
---Samuelbb7 on 3/4/15


Samuel

There is no denunciations or criticisms about it.

The Acts Church of The Living God Is Truth. Mat.7 v 14.

The 3 persons godhead commandments doctrines of men teachings with their Lies in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6. ( John 10 v 1, Mat.7 v 13. )

Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 3/4/15


Lawrence Diatribe. Definition A bitter abusive criticism.

Stating and giving Bible verses and reasons is by definition not a diatribe. Repeating the same denunciation over and over is.

GOD is love.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/3/15


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Samuel
Yes you & the others with your diatribes.

Mat.28 v 19, in the name. Acts 2 v 38 Is The Name. Col.2 v 9.

You's in the fictitious 3 persons godhead Rev.17 vs 4 5 6, John 10 v 1, Mat.7 v 13, the gates of hell shall not prevail against The Acts Church of The Living God.
I'm Glad God saved me from being in such, The Lying Deceiving Mess of the 3 persons godhead religion Rev.17 vs 4 5 6.

Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 3/1/15


Lawrence does not read or answer scripture. He ignores it and makes his diatribe. So confronting him with truth Jerry will not help.


Matthew 28:19

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Many people try to make scripture say what the wish. Instead of just following what it says.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/1/15


Jerry

Isa.9 v 6. One Person.
No, Jesus wasn't delusional, He's not a ventriloquist either etc. He was praying about Himself. God The Father dwelt within Jesus. Col.2 v 9. Only One Person.

Not 3 persons godhead as the fictitious trinity peoples say.
Which are many John 10 v 1, Mat.7 v 13.

Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 2/28/15


\\ In Matt. 28:19 I believe that "the name" was originally "my name", which was changed by the catholic church...\\

What proof to you have to support your belief? Have you seen ancient pre-tinkering texts?

Or do you just WANT to believe this?

FWIW, no early version in ANY language (Armenian, Slavonic, Greek, Coptic, Syriac, etc.) says "my name."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/28/15


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Lawrence: You still haven't answered my questions:

Do you really believe that Jesus Christ was delusional when He prayed to His Father and spoke of sending the Comforter to us? Do you think that He was speaking with imaginary friends?

What's the problem? Are these questions too hard for you?


---jerry6593 on 2/25/15


You are correct we are not to add or subtract from the from the word of GOD.

So we need to follow what Jesus said to do.


Mat 28:19

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:


John 14:13

And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.


Act 11:16

Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water, but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

Should we not do as Jesus Commanded?

Remember John 14:23-26

Lawrence forgets the rest of the Bible.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/21/15


The name Is the focus.

Mat.28 v 19, baptizing them in the 'name'. Acts 2 v 38 Is The 'name'. Acts 2 v 38 Fulfills Mat.28 v 19.

No one found in scriptures that was baptized in the titles, Father Son & Holy spirit as the Manmade trinity peoples say.

Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 2/21/15


Let me explain scripture, okey!>>>The message of the Bible is complete and needs no collaboration from anyone. Refers to the contents of the entire book. All the message is from Christ personally.++It is a warning against tampering with the prophecy. And do not treat the message carelessly. Those that are filthy and unjust will take occasion thence to be more so, but it will further sanctify those that are upright with God. [in regard to reading Bible]
---catherine on 9/29/07


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This verse is referring to the duty which Jesus entrusted His disciples with. They were not to keep this knowledge to themselves, but to share it with others, as we who are In Christ should do as well. It is the duty of all disciples of Christ to do all we can in person, and by prayer to win others to Christ. And everyone who is won to Christ, the Glory is God's. As far as the word NAME it is used in singular form. It proves that God is one, but His personality is threefold. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
---Cynthia on 9/29/07


Lisa, do you believe that the Bible is the inspired Word of God, and do you believe that God was capable of preserving His word? If so relax, if God did not want "Catholics" changing His Word, then they could not do anysuch thing.

Secondly, if the RCC really added the Trinitarian reference, then you must disregard the entire canon of scripture and start from scratch. We also put together the New Testament (and Old Testament) canon of scripture.
---lorra8574 on 9/29/07


Are you sure you have the correct reference? The reference you give is referred to as, "The Great Commission" And neither phrase is in that portion of Scripture. In the New American Standard Bible it reads,(which is one of the most accurate translations) "...baptizing them the name of Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit ...." Not having a catholic Bible, I can't compare the verses. (It reads much the same in the KJV.)
---Ray on 9/29/07


In reading a number of comments in various commentarys, this matter is dealing being witnesses, teachers, etc. and baptizing. Baptism is to be done in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. These disciples were sent out by Christ. Just because the Word shouldn't be changed doesn't mean it isn't changed. Also, in the Greek, there are some words that don't translate into English very easy.
---WIVV on 10/11/05


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To take the "translating" a step more, the Greek word "KAI" is often translated as "and", "even", or "also" according to the belief of the translator. "..in the name of the Father, even the Son, also the Holy Ghost." Note there are scriptures of EACH of this "three" dying for our sins. So they all died and arose, or the One died and arose for us all.
---mike_fl on 7/25/05


Lisa, I think I know what you're referring to, but the explanation and proof would be too long for this forum. Please write me.
---jeffr5976 on 7/24/05


Wescott and Hort VS. Textus Receptus...

These are Greek text copies (collectively) from the ancient Greek manuscripts, that differ in 1,838 places.

What scolars do agree on is that the variations from text to text amount to minutia. None of the variations change the doctrine and many widely used translations are copied from these.

Did Jesus not say "I and my Father are ONE."
Then what's the problem?
---Pharisee on 7/24/05


In my Bible the words are in red. Red words in the Gospels are words that were spoken by Jesus. But the verse in English seems to relate to the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. So whatever was said about three was spoken by Jesus.
---barbara67 on 7/24/05


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"tou" is translated "of","the" or "his" in English; and "mou" is translated "my" or "mine" in English. The original Greek is written ..."eis to onoma tou patros kai tou uiou kai tou agiou pneumatos;" which in ancient Greek is literally translated..."in the name of Father and of Son and of Holy Spirit;". The Greek word for "my" is "mou", which isn't written in this verse.
---Eloy on 7/24/05


Lisa: On what factual evidence do you base your belief?
---Leon on 7/23/05


OK now I get it, sorry Lisa.
---Pharisee on 7/23/05


I don't know if the RCCh changed "my" to "the" but I like the mention of all 3 members of the God Co. because it strongly affirms the TRINITY.
---Pierr7958 on 7/23/05


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I don't know if the RCCh changed "my" to "the" but I like the mention of all 3 members of the God Co. because it strongly affirms the TRINITY.
---Pierr7958 on 7/23/05


let me get this straight...

You think that all nations should be baptised in the name of Lisa and not the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?

That's weird.
---Pharisee on 7/23/05


What does God say if you took this to him? his word is never changing, yes, but also some English words we use are not in full sentences in the Greek/Hebrew, so we "add" or "borrow", but overall Gods word shouldn't be changed. I personally stick with my KJV &or NKJV.
---candice on 7/23/05


There is scripture that tells us not to add or subtract from the word of God. That what happens in Genesis 3:1-5, Satan left something out, Eve added something, then Satan ultimately denies the Word of God. I personally study from the KJV.
---geraa7578 on 7/23/05


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