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Explain Galatians 2:7 (KJV)? What is the Gospel of the uncircumcision? What is the Gospel of the Circumcision?

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Paul wrote to believing Gentiles when they were aliens to the promises, "For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation to created in Himself one new man
---MarkV. on 5/31/10

Again sir, you do not know your bible. You could...but, you will not hear what any prophet said. In reference to the above, this is prophecied in Isa 11:13 Epharaim shall not vex Judah any more...
The partition/wall was between Judah and the Nth house of Israel. This is why the New Covenant reads in Heb 8:8...the house of Israel AND JUDAH.
Jeremiah 31:1
At the same time, saith the LORD, will I be the God of all the families of Israel, and they shall be my people.
---Trav on 5/31/10


Here Paul is quite clear Believing non-Jews were "Once (corr:ethno's/nations)..aliens from the commonwealth of Israel." ---MarkV. on 5/31/10

He was clear. The people he was speaking too...knew the scripture he was referring too.
Jeremiah 31:10
Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock.

Jeremiah 30:10
Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the LORD, neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity, and Jacob shall return
---Trav on 5/31/10


//Good! You ask for witness....and provide none yourself? //

I have and it does not appease you.

I have pointed out that Paul in Acts provides testimony by using Isaiah. It does not appease you.

The Blood of you own Savior does not appease you. You cast Him out.

The only blood that will appease you will be provided by the political leader that you still wait on. You are blood thirsty and you do not care for us.

At least, your brothers are decent enough to keep to themselves while you sit there and taunt. You are not trying to teach anything.

Now, your next step will be to take a phrase of what I said and twist it or you can address Paul's given testimony of Isaiah.
---aka.joseph on 5/31/10


Trav, not all Israel will be saved. "They are not all Israel who are of Israel" (Romans 9:6). There is an "Israel of the flesh" (1 Cor. 10:18) and an "Israel of God" (Galatians 6:16) made up of Jewish people and Gentiles who believe in the Messiah. To apply the "all Israel" which will be saved to a group of Jews or Israelis who are separated from God's Church is to deny the Wall Breaker's specific and staggering accomplishment on the cross.
Paul wrote to believing Gentiles when they were aliens to the promises, "For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation to created in Himself one new man
---MarkV. on 5/31/10


Trav 2: "from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross" (Eph. 2:11-16). Here Paul is quite clear Believing non-Jews were "Once Gentiles..aliens from the commonwealth of Israel." But now in Christ Jesus, Jews and Gentiles have become one.
Who is the "all Israel" in Romans 11:26? The answer is in the context. Paul wrote "I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am an apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them" verse 13,14. "Save some of them he said." Not all would be save.
---MarkV. on 5/31/10




Because many gentiles did not know the father and son who are the creator, this was preached to them first.
To the jews who knew the creator and was awaiting the messiah, jesus was preached to them

But the message of salvation was the exact same, in the end both had same knowledge.
---francis on 5/24/10

Well, this seems to make sense. But,it does not align scripturally. First of all "Gentile" was a latin word that meant not of Rome when written. Spoken, nation/ethnos aligning more closely with scripture.
Christ came for his own..Judah...they had him not. The lost sheep of the house of Israel (nations/ethnos of Israel..Matt 10:6, 15:24.
My Jesus doesn't fail in a mission....perhaps you're a sheep?
---Trav on 5/30/10


Sorry, but not Israel will be saved. That is just not true at all.
---MarkV. on 5/29/10

You are special,I'm thankful. You made a scriptural statement....(i guess your word is your weight)NO SCRIPTURE to back you...then have the duplicity to eask for witnesses. We'll there are several hundred. You haven't liked the ones so far....try these.
Isaiah 45:17
But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.
Amos 9:9
For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.
---Trav on 5/30/10


Sorry, but not Israel will be saved. That is just not true at all. Those who reject Christ will not be saved. Only those who are of the elect will be saved. No rejector of Christ will enter the kingdom of heaven. Where is your witness to this event?
---MarkV. on 5/29/10


francis: Great points on the One Gospel. The Hebrew and Christian religions are identical, with the exception that the messianic prophecies are still expected by Jews and already fulfilled according to Christians. Kinda makes anti-semitic Christians look foolish, doesn't it?
---jerry6593 on 5/29/10


Then, where is your witness to kosmos in the OT? You always refute us by saying we have no witness in the
Trav, you are sharpening our sword, strengthening our and Faith in the Messiah. ---aka_joseph on 5/26/10

Good! You ask for witness....and provide none yourself?
Scripture refutes...not Trav. You would slay me/opposing scripture. A razor, against scriptural prophet's swords. Jerry gave a nice lesson today, Precept upon Precept,line upon line.
1 John 4:5
They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, the world heareth them.
If world understands you....

Isaiah 27:6 He shall cause them that come of Jacob to take root: Israel shall blossom and bud, and fill the face of the world with fruit.
---Trav on 5/28/10




Thank the Word for the ethnos and kosmos and his plan of Salvation that includes anyone who hears His voice.
---aka_joseph on 5/26/10

You have never seen me say that it didn't. My scriptural witnesses point out to those that can see,you/many exclude scripture pertaining to his Beloved. He chose Israel, the entire nation. He chose them for a wife. Divorced part of them. He covenanted with ALL of them. Twice. Heb8:8. There would be a saviour for anyone if not for this fact. Preachers, in ignorance/jealousy/blindness have us thinking Judah is all Israel. Scripture states otherwise. You will need a sharper/unavailable sword to sever Heb8:8/Jer 31:31, it cannot,will not be negated. Grind on,grinder.
---Trav on 5/28/10


//I did not write the scriptures. I am not a prophet. I just do not like a one witness version of a many witnessed story. //

Then, where is your witness to kosmos in the OT? You always refute us by saying we have no witness in the OT...Jeremiah....etc,. In your list Trav always includes Isaiah in the etc. In Acts, Paul calls witness to Isaiah, but that mean nothing to a spin doctor. Trav, you are sharpening our sword, strengthening our and Faith in the Messiah.

Thank the Word for the ethnos and kosmos and his plan of Salvation that includes anyone who hears His voice.
---aka_joseph on 5/26/10


Trav,

You have explained away ethnos, but how do you explain away the use of 'kosmos' use in John 3:16-17?
---aka_joseph on 5/26/10


With balancing scriptures like
Matt 10:23 Ye shall not have gone over the city's of Israel until the Son of Man be come.
The Kosmos, can be a large area, or a smaller area. Is your world your home and kids?
I did not explain away anything. I posted the orginal.
I did not write the scriptures. I am not a prophet. I just do not like a one witness version of a many witnessed story.
---Trav on 5/26/10


1.Circumcision
Definition: Gospel of the kingdom = The message preached first by John Baptist, then the Lord Jesus Christ, then the 12 apostles. The basic details of this gospel include:

Water baptism for entrance into the kingdom

Repentance i.e. change their thinking about who the Lord Jesus Christ was

A future, literal, visible, earthly, Davidic Kingdom with Christ sitting on the his throne in Jerusalem.

The fulfillment of the promises made unto the patriarchal fathers

This is a works oriented, short account, Mosaic law system
References: Mark 1:4-5, John 1:31, Acts 2:38, Acts 3:19-26, Gen 15:5 & ff., Mat 19:28 & ff., Mat 25:31-34, Luke 1:32 etc., etc,. etc..
---michael_e on 5/26/10


Trav,
James in his epistle is talking to the twelve tribes scattered abroad specifically. James 1:1. James is addressing lack of wisdom and faith, and he culminates the 7 previous verses with this one and it does not seem to be a reference to Gentiles. ---aka_joseph on 5/26/10

Statement truth and wisdom? Does it apply for a Christian or a Non Christian.
Apaches might state "Man who speaks with forked tongue".
You make the point (specifically)since it is the twelve tribes it is addressed too it is only for their consumption?

Have not Christians, Israels Christ not brought light,blessings to the entire world?
10 of Israel were gentilized. 12 Widowed.
---Trav on 5/26/10


You quoted John, who was an apostle of Jesus, who you said was to go out to the nations/ethnos ... So, why would you use that verse on me?
---aka_joseph on 5/25/10


To another but,it applies to any. You both would teach scripture...but don't show O.T. scripture witness.
What spirit of GOD goes against scripture prophets? You?
There are ignorant men...who will not acknowledge or ever see. Should they teach scripture?
1 John 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
---Trav on 5/26/10


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It helps to read more than just one verse.

Gal 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the circumcision was committed unto me, as [the gospel] of the circumcision [was] unto Peter,
Gal 2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)


SAME gospel as I see it. The difference is in TO WHOM it was preached.
In this case "the circumcision" refers to gentiles (they were not circumcised), "the circumcision" refers to the Jews (who were circumcised).
Circumcision was the major distinction between Jew and Gentile.
---Donna66 on 5/26/10


MarkV,

Agenda was a misnomer. You know the gist of the doctrine. Any guess at an agenda would be accusatory.

Trav,

You have explained away ethnos, but how do you explain away the use of 'kosmos' use in John 3:16-17?
---aka_joseph on 5/26/10


Trav,

James in his epistle is talking to the twelve tribes scattered abroad specifically. James 1:1. James is addressing lack of wisdom and faith, and he culminates the 7 previous verses with this one and it does not seem to be a reference to Gentiles. However, you use others words the way that you need.
---aka_joseph on 5/26/10


It surprises many, that Paul states that our Lord's ministry while on earth excluded most of those who read these words:

Rom. 15:8 "Now I say that JESUS CHRIST WAS A MINISTER OF THE CIRCUMCISION for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers"
---michael_e on 5/25/10

True. Truth is more beautiful than doctrines and denoms frantic evasions/diversions.
Scripture provokes several here who "say" they follow/preach/teach Christ.
When asked.....do the prophets agree with your statements? They become livid with anger or run. As they should. It is a Sign/Mark.
Psalm 120:3
What shall be given unto thee? or what shall be done unto thee, thou false tongue?

---Trav on 5/26/10


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Mark, I will get to this later.

A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
2 Peter 3:16...

Trav, thanks for sharpening my sword: 2Peter is a great epistle:

2Pe 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

You quoted John, who was an apostle of Jesus, who you said was to go out to the nations/ethnos (not Gentiles), so that verse should pertain to the nth tribe of Israel and not Gentiles, shouldn't it? So, why would you use that verse on me?
---aka_joseph on 5/25/10


Michael e, great points you made. I mentioned that to someone else but it seems it goes right through their heads.
"For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh, but he is a Jew who is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter, whose praise is not from men but from God"
Someone who is "called a Jew" because he is a physical descendant of Abraham, and yet who lives as a lawbreaker, is "not a Jew." And the believing Gentile, who through faith keeps " the righteous requirements of the law" his uncircumcision is "counted as circumcision" to God. Phil. 3:3.
---MarkV. on 5/25/10


It surprises many, that Paul states that our Lord's ministry while on earth excluded most of those who read these words:

Rom. 15:8 "Now I say that JESUS CHRIST WAS A MINISTER OF THE CIRCUMCISION for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers"

"Wherefore remember, that YE BEING IN TIME PAST GENTILES IN THE FLESH, WHO ARE CALLED UNCIRCUMCISION BY THAT WHICH IS CALLED THE CIRCUMCISION IN THE FLESH MADE BY HANDS."
In Time Past there was a difference between Israel and the Gentiles, a difference plainly identified by titles "Circumcision" and "Uncircumcision." In other words, there was a difference between those who were and were not circumcised.
---michael_e on 5/25/10


Aka, you said, "when you did not know what Trav's agenda was"
Do you know now what it is? I still don't. I can follow anyone that writes, because they set their point across so that you cannot miss it, but with him there is no point. Maybe you have understood his point. I would like to hear it. It would sure help me to know what in the world is he talking about and why?
Thank you brother
---MarkV. on 5/25/10


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Trav, good point. Jesus sternly pointed out that there are Jews who are not Jews, and he did not like it. ---aka_joseph on 4/23/10
---Trav on 4/27/10
With history, you should know this statement was when I did not know what Trav's agenda was. I still stand by my statement, but not Trav's view of the Gospel.
---aka_joseph on 5/24/10

Whew! Glad you made that clear! Gospel...supported in hundreds of scriptures is not supported by you. It is a good thing not to yoked unequally.
Declare the agenda. Show multiple witness scripture condemning.
James 1:8
A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
2 Peter 3:16...
---Trav on 5/25/10


Physical circumcision is an outward ceremony because the law requires for the Jews. The spiritual meaning of cutting foreskins of male is cutting-off sins.

But the true circumcision is the circumcision of God. For those whom God elected, God circumcised their hearts. As we read both Jews and gentiles ... Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly, neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

God says he will give true circumcision which is not from man. Deut. 30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

---rosalie on 5/24/10


Gal.2 is the account of the Jerusalem council, the same as Acts 15, the dispute of Circumcision and uncircumcision
---michael_e on 5/24/10


Trav, good point. Jesus sternly pointed out that there are Jews who are not Jews, and he did not like it.
How does this pertain to us today? ---aka_joseph on 4/23/10

...
---Trav on 4/27/10

With history, you should know this statement was when I did not know what Trav's agenda was. I still stand by my statement, but not Trav's view of the Gospel.
---aka_joseph on 5/24/10


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There is only ONE GOSPEL, first preached to Adam by jesus.
It is the good news of the Messiah.
All this is saying is that to the gentiles is taught Father, holy ghost, and Son who is redeemer
To the jews is taught Jesus as messiah.

Because many gentiles did not know the father and son who are the creator, this was preached to them first.

To the jews who knew the creator and was awaiting the messiah, jesus was preached to them

But the message of salvation was the exact same, in the end both had same knowledge.
---francis on 5/24/10


That particular verse is only showing us that Paul's main missionw as to those in the nations while Peter was mainly to Jews. I say "mainly" because there are instanced of Peter dealing with those in the nations (Cornelius) and Paul dealing directly with Jews. (The book of Hebrews for starters)
Peace.
Ken
---Ken on 5/24/10


What is the Gospel of the uncircumcision? Paul preached mainly to gentiles What is the Gospel of the Circumcision? Do they sound the same? Only with a lot of twisting.
---michael_e on 5/10/10

The scriptural answer is in the words holding the context of your questions.
GOSPEL= Unquestionable good news truth.
To whom? (example: Woman at her fathers well..Jacobs).
What split nation was waiting for good news?
Which part of a split nation was waiting for "Redemption". Look up the word.

The Judaic House, was not divorced....redeemed did not apply to them. They looked for a Messiah, but for different reasons.
Gentiles: Nation/Ethnos, of the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel. Matt 10:6,Matt 15:24.
---Trav on 5/24/10


Circumcision,
Peter, chief apostle to the 12 tribes of Israel 2,000 years ago, will sit on one of the 12 thrones, judging the 12 tribes of Israel. Israel was the agency, God would reveal himself to mankind. They were set aside for spiritual blindness.

Uncircumcision,
God turned to Gentiles, raising up Paul. revealing an unprophesied mystery program called "dispensation of the grace of God", the "body of Christ." Salvation not according to the law but by faith in the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord. Paul was given the doctrine, duty and destiny of the church the body of Christ.

It's important to follow the right message. Follow Peter you will a little late, follow Paul you're right on time.
---michael_e on 5/22/10


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"In looking at it in context, it is one message, for two groups (Jews and Gentiles), however, you might explain the same message a little differently to each group depending upon their culture and background. The Jews had different concerns than the Gentiles."
--Trev

I agree Trev

And to back up what Kathr is saying, circumcision is the TOKEN of a covenant.

Its a mark/seal that identifies you as being in a certain covenant. Its not the POWER of that covenant. God is the POWER. Being cut is your way of saying "I believe"

This is what Paul is tryin to teach people in the beginning of Romans. They thought being cut made them righteous.
---JackB on 5/21/10


What is the Gospel of the uncircumcision? The gospel Paul preached mainly to gentiles 1 Cor. 15:1-4

What is the Gospel of the Circumcision? The gospel Peter and the 11 preached mainly to Jews Acts 2:36-38

Do they sound the same? Only with a lot of twisting.
---michael_e on 5/10/10


Acts 19:4-6 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard [this], they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid [his] hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them, and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
---micha9344 on 5/9/10


Galatians 2:2 ...THAT gospel(what gospel) which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.
Why would he tell the 12 About the THAT gospel they were already preaching.
Paul never tells any one to repent and be baptized and THEN you will receive the HS.
---michael_e on 5/6/10


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Galatians 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as [the gospel] of the circumcision [was] unto Peter,


SAME GOSPEL

Paul's primary mission was to those who were uncircumsiced

Peter's primary mission was to the jew who was circumcised

They both preached the exact same gospel.

Galatians 2:2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.
---francis on 5/5/10


two different gospels
What is the Gospel of(not to) the uncircumcision?
What is the Gospel of(not to) the Circumcision?
---michael_e on 5/5/10


Trav, good point. Jesus sternly pointed out that there are Jews who are not Jews, and he did not like it.
How does this pertain to us today? ---aka_joseph on 4/23/10

Two ways. Pentecostals/Baptist/TV wolfs practically worship a people that probably are not who we think they are. We shouldn't bow at Judahs feet anyway....but most denoms do, especially in America. Judeans calling themselves Judeans, have been anti-christ's for 2000 years.
Through Judah's disbelief lies the Nth House of Israels access back into the covenant although. Heb 8:8/and Romans. So we allow them the same as we recieved....forgiveness as a blind cousin....when they are who they say they are. Christ said no less.
---Trav on 4/27/10


Peter preached to Israel Repent all of you(for you murdered your messiah), be baptized (then you will receive the HS. Still under Law

Paul preached, under Grace, what he calls my Gospel, while we were sinners Christ died for you. 1Cor 15:1-4 Rom 2:16
different words, different people.
---michael_e on 4/27/10


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Romans 1:15-16 / Galatians 2:7-8.
This was answered in several earlier blogs. Peter preached mostly to the Jews, and Paul to the Gentiles. Yet it was the same gospel. Acts 9:15, 11:17, 22:21, Romans 1:5-6, 11:13, 15:16, Galatians 1:15-16, Ephesians 3:8.
---Glenn on 4/26/10


One is Prophecy
Acts 3:21 something spoken since the world began..
One is Mystery or Secret
Rom. 16:25 ...something kept secret since the world began
Many still don't acknowledge the difference between Prophecy and Mystery
---michael_e on 4/26/10


Trav, good point.
Many still do not acknowledge the difference and significance between Judah and Israel. Jesus sternly pointed out that there are Jews who are not Jews, and he did not like it.
How does this pertain to us today? ---aka_joseph on 4/23/10

You are also...making a good point.
Go one more important layer deep....the other Nth House NATIONs of Israel....10 remember? Divorced. These are the "Lost Sheep" Christ was looking for. Test this with the prophets....all of them.
---Trav on 4/23/10


What is the Gospel of the uncircumcision?
(GENTILE) The Gospel of the Grace of god, Rom 16:25 the secret ("mystery") gospel that was revealed to Paul, that he calls my gospel,1Cor 15:1-4 Rom.10:9,10 Rom. 2:16 1Cor 9:17

What is the Gospel of the Circumcision?
(ISRAEL,JEW) The gospel of the Kingdom Acts 3:21 It is the Gospel, Jesus Preached in His earthly ministry, and Peter preached at Pentecost
Many say it is the same Gospel, but, all you have to is read.
---michael_e on 4/23/10


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Trav, good point.

Many still do not acknowledge the difference and significance between Judah and Israel. Jesus sternly pointed out that there are Jews who are not Jews, and he did not like it.

How does this pertain to us today? Do not go moving to the country Israel, you will not find comfort their until the real Savior takes reign. So, for now, move to "Judah" in your heart. And, be sure the next time you send money to support Israel, make sure you are supporting the people of "Judah" and not Israelites pretending to be Jews.

Remember every person from Judah descended from Israel, but not every Israelite descended from Judah.
---aka_joseph on 4/23/10


Biblical comments says about Gal 2:7
When they saw-Paul's selection and peculiar course in preaching to the Gentiles.
THE UNCIRCUMCISION-The Gentiles

Was commited unto me-Paul was preminently the Apostle to the Gentiles,and the others more particularly to the Jews.
Paul was the pushing pioneer,and his work among the Gentiles of his day was by no means a light,nor an honorable task, in the estimation of men.
---blessedsister on 4/23/10


1Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free, and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
The Good News was to all, Jew(Isreal, circumcision) first as Jesus did, then Gentile(Greek, uncircumcision, not Israel, all other nations) as Peter started and Paul with others continued whereas Peter went back to the lost sheep of Israel (God's elect from Israel who were currently unbelieving), hence the two folds that make up one body.
---MIchael on 4/23/10


Moses and the prophets used the term circumcised as a symbol for purity of heart and readiness to hear and obey. Through Moses the Lord challenged the Israelites to submit to circumsion of the heart, a reference to their need for repentance, if their uncircumcized hearts are humbled, and accept their guilt, "God declared, then I will remember my covenant [lev. 26:41-42, also Deut. 10:16]....Paul declared that the new covenant of Christ's shed Blood has provided forgiveness to both Jew and Gentiles and has made circumcision totally unnecessary. All that's needed is a changed nature----a new creation that makes them one in Jesus Christ. [born-again] into the family of God, with citizenship in heaven.
---catherine on 4/23/10


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Matthew 10:6-7 Christ told his disciples to go to lost sheep of Israel and preach that kingdom of heavens was near. Christ said he was not sent except to lost sheep of Israel(Matthew 15:24).
---walt on 7/23/05

Judah was not LOST SHEEP>Divorced Nth House of ISRAEL was. Heb 8:8 notes two houses of Israel. One separated from other. N. Covenant brings them back together. 12 apostles > each one representing 1/12 of of the Completed House of Israel. Stated/witnessed/prophesied by all prophets with finality to the last pages of Revelations. Most do not/cannot accept statements by prophets....but, then they couldn't in their day either. Preferring men(doctrine) of the moment interpretation. Ticklers of the external acoustic meatus(ear).
---Trav on 4/23/10


The good news to the circumcision was preached to Abraham, righteousness through faith, abraham believed God and was counted righteous, david knew it too. blessed is the man to whom God does not impute sin.Jesus came only to the lost sheep of israel, after he died salvation by grace throught faith is offered to us gentiles through pauls gospel, a main difference is we are IN Christ seated in heaven now. the jews hope is an earthly kingdom, when the law will be written in their hearts Ours is jesus christ crucified, christ in you the hope of glory.
---gene_hill on 4/22/10


Peter shared the gospel of grace with the circumcised Jews. Paul shared the gospel of grace with uncircumcised Gentiles.
---Bob on 11/11/09


Romans 4.

10How was it then reckoned? in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.

11And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised, that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

12And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

13For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
---kathr4453 on 11/10/09


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Matthew 10:6-7 Christ told his disciples to go to lost sheep of Israel and preach that kingdom of heavens was near. Christ said he was not sent except to lost sheep of Israel(Matthew 15:24). Gospel of the circumcision is the good news of the kingdom for Israel that their Messiah was coming to set up his kingdom(Luke 1:32-33, Acts 1:6).
---walt on 7/23/05

Walt, you've found the path. So simple I missed it 40 years. Heb 8:8 notes two houses of Israel. One separated from the other. N. Covenant brings them back together. 2 sticks, 10 servants, 10 virgins etc. 12 apostles
Mistranslated word Gentile=meaning nation or ethnos of the lost (
nations)sheep of the house of Israel. No conflict in scripture when/if applied.
---Trav on 11/10/09


There really is no debate here.

The confusion is in the word Gospel. There were no written Gospels then anyway. The Gospel means the Good News (Greek).

So you simple have The Good news of the Circumcised and the Good news of the Uncircumcised. In short you have the Good News to the Jews and to the Gentiles. The same Good News. Different audiences.
---PASTOR_JIM on 11/9/09


The Gospel of the Circumcision was preached by Peter mainly to Jews as per Acts 3:21

The Gospel of the Uncircumcision was preached by Paul mainly to Gentiles as per Rom. 16:25

---Michael on 11/9/09


MAny believed to be saved you needed to be circumsized. However the old ways were done away with when Jesus preached. Yet some preached still the need to be circumsized which was not true. This was an old Jewish rite. Jesus came to save all. Thus the gospel is the same
---JIM on 2/13/08


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That of Peter>>Ministry was primarily, but not exclusively to the Jews. Of Paul's, was primarily, but not exclusively to the Gentiles. There was material acknowledement of each others equal Apostleship. God gets all the glory for what He accomplished through Peter and Paul.
---catherine on 2/13/08


Show an alternative scenario for Galatians 2 if both gospels are really only one. If the gospel of uncircumcision and the gospel of circumcision are really the same gospel to two different groups of people, then why was there such a problem?
---walt on 2/12/08


In looking at it in context, it is one message, for two groups (Jews and Gentiles), however, you might explain the same message a little differently to each group depending upon their culture and background. The Jews had different concerns than the Gentiles.

Peter took the message to the Jews.
Paul took it to the Gentiles. (Gal. 2:7)

There is only one gospel (Gal 1:6-7).

Lord bless you all,
---trey on 11/29/07


Walt,
The Messiah brought 1 gospel message.
Men have added to or take away from His Truth to create the appearance of 2 gospels.
---AG on 11/27/07


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Hi, you ask a great question. Some folks say it is the same gospel to two different groups of people. Acts 15 helps to show that they really are two different gospels. Remember that the twelve were preaching the gospel of the kingdom before Christ ever told them about his death(see Matthew 16:21-23). Note Peters reaction. This also helps to show that the kingdom preached by John the baptist, Christ and his disciples is not the "church, the body of Christ." I'll write more later.
---walt on 11/27/07


The whole book of Galatians is dealing with this matter of law/works. Some of the Jewish element felt you had to obey certain laws, especially circumcision even as Christians. Paul is referring to the Jews as those of the circumcision and the Gentiles as the uncircumcision. Three commentaries were used by me: Barnes, Adam Clarke and Abbot.
---Ray on 4/2/07


Those of the uncircumcision are the Gentiles. Those of the Circumsision are the Jews. It says in the NKJV "the gospel FOR the uncircumcised" and "the gospel for the circumcised". It simply means two different groups of people, Gentiles and Jews. The gospel is "we preach Christ crucified" to all people. Peter was sent to the Jews, and Paul was sent to the Gentiles.
---Helen_5378 on 6/11/06


The Judaeising Christians were part of the first church and clearly held a different understanding of the Gospel. They seemed to follow after Paul and sought to 'correct' his teaching. The churches in Galatia seemed to believe them and turned from Paul, hence Paul's vigorous defense. The uncomfortable conclusion is that the first church did not seem to be unified in its understanding of the Gospel message.
---Pete on 6/11/06


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, if you think that galatians 2:7 says there are two gospel messages, then on what basis? do you also think that the gospel of Matthew and the gospel of John were speaking of two different Jesus's? there is only one gospel, given by one Jesus.
---steve on 9/10/05


I'm with Eloy on this. One gospel two groups. Paul to the Gentiles (uncircumcized) Peter to the Jews (circumcized). Some of the Jews were trying to insist that Gentiles needed to be circumcized, mixing up grace with law. The rest of the book of Galatians sets it straight.
---chera3744 on 9/10/05


, geraa, you are using the KJV, but using 21st century meanings of the words, leading it to appear that there were two gospels. it says that Paul brought the gospel to gentiles, while Peter brought the same gospel to the Jews.
---steve on 9/9/05


There is actually 2 separate gospels. Peter was looking for the earthly kingdom, God had promised. Thus, Israel was to keep the law. However, Christ through Paul brought in the Mystery program to the gentiles and Israel. Notice the change in the writings in 1-3 John, 1-2 Peter and James. 2 programs, Prophecy and Mystery, totally different. Law vs Grace.
---geraa7578 on 7/27/05


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There were not two gospels in the sense of Peters gospel and Pauls gospel. These men were in complete agreement. The gospel of the circumcision and the gospel of the uncircumcision refer to the groups the gospel was going to. The Gentiles were the group that Paul was speaking to. He was called to go to the Gentiles, the uncircumcised. Peter was called to go to his own Jewish brethren who were the circumcised.

-- J. Vernon McGee, Thru the Bible commentary
---DoryLory on 7/24/05


"Strictly speaking there is only one Gospel.The four Gospels are only variations of the same SINGLE theme."

You could, however, go so far as to say the New Testament revelation as contrasted with the Law.

W. Ward Gasque in The New International Dictionary of the Christian Church.
---barbara67 on 7/24/05


Circumcision meant the Jews, and uncircumcison meant the Gentiles. Verse 8 and 9 says that Peter preached to the circumcison, and Paul to the heathen or uncircumcised.
---Eloy on 7/24/05


This involved salvation from their enemies and the forgiveness of sins(Luke 1:68-79). This explains why water baptism was "for the forgiveness of sins"(Acts 2:38), to make Israel the kingdom of priests as God had told them in Exodus 19:5-6 and Isaiah 61:6.
---walt on 7/23/05


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In Matthew 10:6-7 Christ told his disciples to go to the lost sheep of Israel and preach that the kingdom of the heavens was near. Christ said he was not sent except to the lost sheep of Israel(Matthew 15:24). The gospel of the circumcision is the good news of the kingdom for Israel that their Messiah was coming to set up his kingdom(Luke 1:32-33; Acts 1:6).
---walt on 7/23/05


This is Paul referring to Peter's ministry to the Jews.

He uses the picture of circumcision as a picture to describe a works based approach to obtaining God's grace, as the act of circumcision was at one time a mandate of "the law."

Peter believed the same gospel but was at times seemingly pressured by "false brethren" to observe the Old Testament Laws as a means of righteousness. Jewish culture was dictated by their religion, their ways were not easily forgotten.
---Pharisee on 7/23/05


It seems that some Judalizer claimed that Paul was preaching a deviant gospel. So in this text it seems that he is simple affirming that he was in fact proclaiming the true gospel, the same gospel Peter proclaimed but to a different audience: the uncircumcised/GENTILES vs the circumcised/JEWS.
---Pierr7958 on 7/23/05


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