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Explain Matthew 10: 34-35

Please explain:
Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the world. No, I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. I came to set sons against their fathers, daughters against their mothers, daughters in-law against their mothers-in-law. Matthew 10, 34-35.

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I think, as I read a poster comment, Christ came to challenge the old ways of doing things. He wanted to break with Jewish tradition and usher in a new way that, among other things, was an inclusive faith.

In another way, it can be interpreted as breaking from your own family bs and following what is true.

Cross reference with the following:
mathew 12 48,50
Luke 14:26, 27

P.S. What is up with people always seeing scripture as a metaphor or analogy for some deeper, spiritual meaning ?

PEACE
---brian on 11/17/09


Luk 12:31 ButG4133 rather seekG2212 ye theG3588 kingdomG932 of God,G2316 andG2532 allG3956 these thingsG5023 shall be addedG4369 unto you.G5213

I like this word seek, 26 different words used in scripture.....below...enquire, desire,endeavour,etc. Reading the original throws a more complete view of intention of writer and inspiration of intent.

ze & #772,teo & #772,
dzay-teh'-o
Of uncertain affinity, to seek (literally or figuratively), specifically (by Hebraism) to worship (God), or (in a bad sense) to plot (against life): - be (go) about, desire, endeavour, enquire (for), require, (X will) seek (after, for, means). Compare G4441.

Kingdom....royalty,rule,reign...
hmmm
---Trav on 1/14/09


the word of God is described in Hebrews as being able to divide. so because of the message of the gospel when anyone person of a household of typical Jews receives the radical message that Jesus brought that was so different than what the Pharisees, synagogue Rabbi's taught.. it caused family divisions.
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the clashing of different ways of believing. it happened within Jesus own household. His mother and siblings thought he'd gotten away from Jewish beliefs.
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John the Baptist thought that he'd gotten away from what was right.
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for them their security (also translated peace) in the knowledge of the law and prophets was shaken.
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that is what Jesus was talking about.
---opalgal on 1/14/09


trav,
I thought that we are suppose to keep knocking, seeking and asking for God's wisdom.
I mean, the Word says "Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and all other things will be given to you" right?
I believe we should not accept things at "face value".
We should ask God to show us and give us wisdom. But how many actually do that?
How many really show love their neighbor and turn the other cheek and if someone asks for their shirt, they give them that and their cloak?
To me, it comes down to loving God 1st. Trusting him, and showing and sharing that love to others. How else will they know that God loves them?
God bless you!
---g on 1/14/09


trav I agree.
Prophets lead to Jesus.
Do you think the true will be discovered in the great falling away?
I just call it the revelation of true Israel.
---g on 1/13/09
Revealed to those who ask now. With all their heart/soul. Who seek truth,who knock. All signs,marks given in scripture. As a mislead Church we stop short in believing and in asking....we tragically think doctrinally educated men, or commentary's by men are superior than the only teacher and original scripture.
You know G,ironic thing is a large part of the blog site would be in agreement if doctrines of men had not muddied up clean water message. Admitting it took me years to say, O.K god you are the potter. Your will,my will.
---Trav on 1/14/09




trav I agree.
Prophets lead to Jesus.
Do you think the true will be discovered in the great falling away?
I guess that is what they call it. I just call it the revelation of true Israel.

Those who pick and choose will be revealed in the end. Those who endure get the prize.
Everlasting life.
---g on 1/13/09


you and I both know Jesus speaks of the Spiritual a lot.
By the way, in reference to the question, the Sword, is also the WORD, which is Jesus.
---g on 1/13/09
It will be spiritual,physical. Christ was risen. He ate,drank, fingers put in wounds.
With GOD anything is possible. But, it is not just what is said it is what is not said that hangs the wide way popular doctrines.
To go against prophets probably the most dangerous thing I see the willfully ignorant promote on this site. Changing scripture is also danger stated.
I'm not talking about the Berean student, I'm talking about those who chose to avoid all scripture except those they can utilize.
Denying just the words forever, everlasting etc make GOD a liar.
---Trav on 1/13/09


trav,
is it possible that the "Hidden" Israel is in the hearts of people and not actual, physical race or color of a person?

Many scripture speaks of it this way.
Just as Jesus was a physical temple. Was destroyed and arose new in three days a new Spiritual body, as it says in 1 Corinthians 15:44.
you and I both know Jesus speaks of the Spiritual a lot.
By the way, in reference to the question, the Sword, is also the WORD, which is Jesus.
---g on 1/13/09


I think these verses apply to today. My pastor told about his wife how when she became a Christian and came to her father to ask for his blessing, because she was going to get married, he kicked her out of his house. He hated her for following Jesus and going to church. He used to say that he would take a knife and kill those who persuaded her to be a Christian and kill her also. This is an example of how the father was at enmity with his daughter. He came to the Lord later and became a totally different man as humbled as a child.
---Elena on 1/13/09


Scattered Israel is obviously one of the reasons the Church grew rapidly in the Roman empire and maybe alluded to here, provide you understand they were gathered and redeemed though the New Covenant.
---Naulon on 1/10/09

I see the spirit of study in you Naulon, but in stubborness of doctrine you resist the obvious. Obvious but, hidden by doctrine are the largest amount of people ever lost from view in the history of the world. The other 11 nations of Israel. Who lost this married name by the way.

If just for an exercise of possibility one would insert them in the right scripture you will see the the literal and the parable come to life.
---Trav on 1/13/09




Scattered Israel is obviously one of the reasons the Church grew rapidly in the Roman empire and maybe alluded to here, provide you understand they were gathered and redeemed though the New Covenant.
---Naulon on 1/10/09

There are parallels in scripture. Cannot sacrifice context in place of a formula. Context explains in part, prophecy in part scripture discussed. No maybes flying here. If there were a formula then parables would be understood by all.

U are seeing scattered Israel it seems above, who the message context was intended for.
If by parallels of two, many two's run in thread in scripture.Heb 8:8, Jer 31:31, two sticks, two of kind,male female,two witnesses,two nations,olive trees, candlesticks etc.
---Trav on 1/12/09


Trav,

Thanks. Still disagree on Ezekiel 17:24.

Are you familiar with parallelism?

The tender sprig that is planted and bears fruit, where birds nest = Christ and the New Covenant church. (Parable of the mustard seed is similar.)

All the trees of the field = the nations.
The high tree and green tree that dries up. (in parallel) = Old Covenant.
Low tree and dry tree that flourishes (in parallel) = New Covenant.

You can't syntactically ignore the parallelism and separate the first set from the second. Scattered Israel is obviously one of the reasons the Church grew rapidly in the Roman empire and maybe alluded to here, provide you understand they were gathered and redeemed though the New Covenant.
---Naulon on 1/10/09


I'm lost. Please explain what is an Nth house.
---Naulon on 1/8/09
Northern House of Israel. The split of the kingdom.
So Israel rebelled against the house of David unto this day.
Lost sheep. Two sticks,Heb 8:8 etc. .
1 Kings 12:18-20
And it came to pass, when all Israel heard that Jeroboam was come again, that they sent and called him unto the congregation, and made him king over all Israel: there was none that followed the house of David, but the tribe of Judah only.
1 Kings 12:19-21
all Israel scattered upon the hills, as sheep that have not a shepherd: and the LORD said, These have no master: let them return every man to his house in peace.
1 Kings 22:16-18
---Trav on 1/8/09


Trav: New Covenant kingdom collective, would not be low, as termed above. The divorced Nth House of Israel...was. Hard part because GOD has hidden the paths..

I'm lost. Please explain what is an Nth house.
---Naulon on 1/8/09


Trav,

Question: Could the "high tree" be in reference to Old Covenant Israel and the "low tree" to the New Covenant kingdom of God? I think it is.
---Naulon on 1/6/09

New Covenant kingdom collective, would not be low, as termed above. The divorced Nth House of Israel...was. Hard part because GOD has hidden the paths..

2Son of man, put forth a riddle, and speak a parable unto the house of Israel

24And all the trees (people) of the field (country)shall know that I the LORD have brought down the high tree(Babylon), have exalted the low tree(Israel), have dried up the green tree (Judah), and have made the dry tree(Nth House(11)kingdom) to flourish: I the LORD have spoken and have done it.
---Trav on 1/6/09


Trav,

Interesting verse Ezekiel 17:24.

Question: Could the "high tree" be in reference to Old Covenant Israel and the "low tree" to the New Covenant kingdom of God? I think it is.
---Naulon on 1/6/09


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Steveng,
We're not in the "last generation".
Concept's right. Timing's not.
---Naulon on 1/4/09

Well, Steveng has done homework... eyes and ears.

Steveng, sees this verse in relation to the Fig tree. The mark of this fig tree is Judah, and then there are the other Trees. Marks/signs r present for this generation". Scripture witnesses, precept upon precept. Missing component never taught is .....where/who, low trees are.


24And all the trees of the field shall know that I the LORD have brought down the high tree, have exalted the low tree, have dried up the green tree, and have made the dry tree to flourish: I the LORD have spoken and have done it.
---Trav on 1/5/09


Steveng,

We're not in the "last generation". The generation that Christ lived in was "the last generation" of the Old Covenant world. (Matthew 24)

They were in the "last days" prophesied by Joel. (Acts 2:17).

Hebrews identified them being in the Old covenant's "last days". Hebrews was written to encourage Jews from returning to the Old Covenant in the midst of "the apostasy." (Hebrews 1:1-2)

Paul explains the terrible times Timothy was facing, as expected in the "last days". (2 Timothy 3:1) James and Peter too. (James 5:3, 2 Peter 3:1) Peter encourages his readers to be spotless and blameless during this time.

Concept's right. Timing's not.
---Naulon on 1/4/09


frances008: Freemasons are evil

ALL people, including todays Christians, are evil not just certain groups of people - especially during this last generation. You are so caught up into conspiracies, lies, and rumors (and the spreading of them) that you dont realize that you, too, are part of the conspiracies. You, a mere worldly paean, have a small chance to stop the illuminati from doing their job as much as the prophesies of the end time. As a whole, you cannot do anything about mans activities, but you can try to convert each individual member the error of their ways. Nothing really matters in the world except mans soul not what they do as a group.
---Steveng on 1/4/09


Happy Christmas and New Year Blessings to you too Mic, and all at Christianet. What is coming in the next few months is going to make the falling of the Twin Towers look like just another 'terrorist' attack. We need to get rid of the terrorists in our governments. Hope you are all stocked up on food, have a kit of survival things ready, and know about living in forests or cities, without money.
---frances008 on 12/27/08


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Frances:-You do jump to many conclusions.I am not living in a communist country.I have not seen shoes flying on ny TV 1 B/c I dont watch Propaganda, its all cooked up enlarged.2 I watch TV for entertainment.It seems as you state in Japan pan pan it is communist-as you see shoes flying on your TV every 10 Minutes.You have a solid dislike for the Jesuits yet you say you love Jesus but cannot follow His edict In Matt5:43-48.I do believe you are a good person with some quirks which need ironing.Happy Christmas Frances may the NEW years resolutions make a change in your chain of armour,which encases you.
---MIC on 12/26/08


This verse is within the greater context of what happened during the end times of the Old Covenant or the period between the cross and fall of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. The parallel passage is in Luke 12.

During that time, because of the gospel, there was division in Judaism and in the church which divided families. This strife was one of the signs of the end that Christ predicted.
---Naulon on 12/24/08


Steveng, check out what JFK said about secret societies, his speech is on tape on youtube, and also in writing on the internet. Just before he was assassinated he said there was a very big conspiracy. After Beslan School No 1 was attacked, the Russian President said that the conspiracy was too scary for him to talk about.
---frances008 on 12/24/08


Freemasons are evil, and many high level Catholic priests are freemasons. If you are a freemason you are not a Christian. So, the extremely powerful Catholic Church can control the world through freemasonry. We are talking of physical control and financial, and education, and propaganda. I know every has a 'slide' and wishes to pretend there is no elephant in the room. But it is better to know, and to be on the winning side, the side with the truth.
---frances008 on 12/24/08


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MIC, you are living in nothing better than a Communist State right now over in the west - USA/UK. How many times did they show over the last two weeks on TV the journalist that threw both shoes at Bush in Iraq. I know what is going on through youtube. You are out in the cold. If you are not onto alternative media you don't know anything except the lies that have been orchestrated for your benefit. Well, actually for your enslavement. The Japanese press is also controlled but they have shown Bush ducking under the shoes about four times every ten minutes (well, slight exaggeration). The USA did not get the pictures of the Iraq wounded which were shown in British newspapers. If they had there would have been much more hatred for Bush.
---frances008 on 12/23/08


Jewish, Gentiles, Illuminati, Jesuits, Skull and Bones, Phi Beta Kappa, Kappa Alpha, Chi Delta Theta, Freemasons, Rosicrucians, The Knights Templar, The Bilderberg Group, The Priory of Sion, Opus Dei, Hermetic Order, Templis Orientis, Roman Catholic Church, Baptists, Seventh Day Adventists, Lutherans, Protestants, Mormons, Wicca, Church of Satan, Americans, Russians, Britans, Africans, Mexicans, Chinese, Arabians, Germans, Italians, Gays, Straights, Christians, Athists, and all the other hundreds of thousands of groups of people in the world. The members of all these groups are nothing more than people each having their own traditions, beliefs, and ways of living.

One thing for sure, we are all in God's plan together.
---Steveng on 12/23/08


Frances:-You make a statement without Proof."The RCC claims that the bible is lying about creation"?I have never heard that and what is the lie please quote?With age comes wisdom is the saying so your statement about me is also Doubtful as well as False, if you ever met me you will change your tune.I lived in a communist country and know How they operate but never succombed to their doctrines which I oppose vehemenently.You have lived too long in a country which has clouded your vision, excited your imagination and driven you to see lurking figures ready to destroy you.Christ instituted HIS CHURCH Matt16:13-19 "and the gates of Hell shall NOT prevail against it" Frances
---MIC on 12/23/08


Frances :You say 'read the bible and see who wins'- have I not quoted Gen3:15 as many times as I have quoted Matt16:13-19 well to refresh your memory"She shall crush your Head"DRV by Apostolic succession Imprimatured.
---MIC on 12/23/08


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MIc, I love how you mixed those metaphors. What comes to mind? A wolf in sheep's clothing stuck in the cold Siberian desert with nobody there to deceive? At least he has a double thick coat. LOL

Inadvertently you direct us to where the problem is. The trouble is, as Sun Tsu points out that the enemy has taken your 'colours'. The general has been substituted for one of their generals. Everyone is running after this enemy general where he is leading them (over the edge of the cliff - no doubt he expects to step aside and let them die without him). Instead of sheep faithful to Jesus, the Good Shepherds, they are lemmings following faithfully after their idol (who has in any case been substituted for one of their idols).
---frances008 on 12/22/08


The RCC claims that the Bible is lying about Creation, whose side are you on MIC - the RCC's or God's? St Augustine (who started to bring in doubt about God's Word -) or God's side? Are you on the Jesuits (Pope's NWO Red Mass fornications with leaders of the world) or are you on God's side. Are you on idolatrous (pope-worshipping) side or the side of Christ? It is your choice, Mic. I know you are an older man, and therefore you have 80 years of experience going against you, but you also have had a long time in which to experience how propaganda is a tool and lies are tools to get you to believe what the government wants, for its purposes.
---frances008 on 12/22/08


They -Jesuits owe allegiance to Matt16:13-19. If you say you are on God's side then why are you against The RCC from whom you apostated. Which god's side are you talking about Frances.
---MIC on 12/22/08


I am not afraid of the Jesuits, Mic. I am sorry at what they are doing to Catholics and the Catholic Church in particular. Using it as a Trojan Horse for atheistic communism. It is sad. But as they take counsel together against God and as I am on God's side, I feel sorry for them. Read the Bible and see who wins, those who worship the sun and stars or those who bow down to the true God.
---frances008 on 12/21/08


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Francs:-You may continue to fantacise,using as a shield Jesus temptation quote for quote as you illustrate.But the achilles heel in your arguement shows in your fear for Jesuits.If Gods word is ignorance posing as the truth, then without reserve I say you are in the opposing Camp, and the fascade of ambiguity you display is all a farce.YOU have Not changed just the method of deployment.
---MIC on 12/20/08


Can I have a personal relationship with God without going through a denominational church? If I teach from the bible all doctrine within, but don't belong to a church, am I bad?
---Steveng on 12/19/08

Very similar...in this. I am not a member of a denom either. Process we've gone through. Fallacy's, Politically correct things that denom's represent and one realizes this is not the "Ecclesia" that Christ is coming for. Light and Dark have no communion.
Denom's probably the "wide way". Most popular, the most acceptable. Ear tickling factories, that turn out confusion. Confusion of mind, now openly promote confusion of face. Witnesses? This site.
---Trav on 12/20/08


MIC: "Jesus is coming to marry his Church (you say)and you say You are not 'joined' to any church.Dosen't that mean you are left out in the cold!!"

You need to learn more about what a Christian is. You, like most, if not all, Christians believe that a person must belong to a worldly denominational church. It the biggest falacy in the history of Christiandom.

"would you then be the wolf in sheeps clothing?"

Again, you need to learn more about what "a wolf in sheeps clothing" is. Can I have a personal relationship with God without going through a denominational church? If I teach from the bible all doctrine within, but don't belong to a church, am I bad?
---Steveng on 12/19/08


Mic, do the Jesuits order you to 'get a quote' so that I will end up debating you quote for quote like Jesus and the devil in the desert. I won't fall for that game. Yes, I have a quote in my memory. But you will bring up your inevitable reference to Mark 16.16-18 or whatever it is. Misquoting the Bible. Not referring to the Greek or Latin. Taking at face value. I refuse to give you the opportunity to flaunt your ignorance and have it posing as the truth. If you do not listen to the words of all the Bible, you had better not listen to any of the words because they will only mislead you.
---frances008 on 12/19/08


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Steveng:-I dont get caught up in conspiracies I speak facts that others use.A statement of its use does not mean I agree. I guess I read you wrong as a free thinker of your own agenda.BTW Jesus is coming to marry his Church (you say)and you say You are not 'joined' to any church.Dosen't that mean you are left out in the cold!!would you then be the wolf in sheeps clothing?
---MIC on 12/19/08


MIC: "...it is RCC and so Satan sets humanity against RCC with catch phrases Bondage- indoctrinated- Not Free.False prophets.just to name a few. RESULT- NO HARMONY but CONFUSION.Destroy Jesus's Flock create many."

Don't get caught up in conspiracies, lies, and rumors concerning RCC, the Illuminatie, etc. as do many people on these blogs. All humans are in this together, not a special group here and a special group there. The prophesies in the Bible is for our "awareness" not something we can control. If Christians get caught up in spreading these conspiracies, lies, and rumors, we are as guilty as those who created them. And God surely frowns on those who do.
---Steveng on 12/18/08


MIC: "Steveng:- You are the FIRST person (christian-denominational)..."

I don't belong to any denominational "church." I simply have a relationship with God. Most, if not all, denominational "churches" (having their own traditions, ways of living and interpretations of the Bible) make you believe that you must join a "church" to have a relationship with God. Hogwash.

Don't get me wrong, if a denominational church asks me to do something, I'll do it. But I will not join their "church."

Besides, Jesus is returning to join with (marry) his church, the Christians, not a building, a nonprofit corporation, or a denominational "church."
---Steveng on 12/18/08


Steveng:- You are the FIRST person (christian-denominational) to acknowlege the truth that Satan is dividing mankind, it is an old ploy divide and rule-satan does not care How many he drages to hell, so long as he gets them there.He knows man is gullible with a weak will, and that is why most people say I can't be perfect.which actually means 'I cannot live without sin'. Jesus left us ways and means to avoid sin but do we use it? No! b/c it is RCC and so Satan sets humanity against RCC with catch phrases Bondage- indoctrinated- Not Free.False prophets.just to name a few. RESULT- NO HARMONY but CONFUSION.Destroy Jesus's Flock create many.
---MIC on 12/18/08


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Pt.2 Cont.. initiating a battle within as the Spirit wars against the flesh. As one is empowered to submit to the Spirit within, the carnality of ones thinking is abased. The carnally minded will always stand in opposition to Spiritually minded simply because that mindset is foolishness to them. That opposition may very well come from within ones own family. Therefore it is imperative that we, as the spiritually minded, always remember that our "battle is not against 'flesh and blood', but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." that we may fulfilled the law of love and live in peace even with those who may oppose us.
---Josef on 12/17/08


MIC: "I read your post and your interpretation against Jesus Words "One flock ,One shepherd..."

As you well know, we are living in the last generation. Many Christians THINK that they are aware, but they are not. The love of people, including Christians, have grown quit cold within the past couple of decades. Today we have over 3,300 flocks having over 3,300 shepards. Try visiting different churches for one year that you normally wouldn't go to and tell me that I'm wrong. Satan is dividing the Christians up into different denominations having their own traditions, ways of living and interpretations of the Bible. Is this what you call harmony? One in the spirit?
---Steveng on 12/17/08


Christian theology is easy to combat & doesn't prove Yeshua as messiah.
---Jeff on 12/16/08

Yes, Men's doctrinal Christian theology is baby milk. Scripture states that it will be so.

I have found that New Covenant alone proves YAHSHUA,as Lost Sheep messiah...with Old Covenant witnesses. Two or more which confirm...as you are aware or you would not believe in YAHSHUA.
There are translation errors in the New Testament. Gentile being the greatest.

Also found what is not said is what speaks the loudest sometimes. What is not discussed, what is not searched.

---Trav on 12/17/08


Frances:-3 paragraphs without one quote to back you up and still no explaination of how The Holy Spirit who is God can take you out of HIS church His doctrine which He teaches.How do you explain this in the face of Jesus statement"A house divided" and the proof that this Houseunder Apostolic succesion, still stands Gaining momentum in size and adherentsSteveng I read your post and your interpretation against Jesus Words "One flock ,One shepherd "mat16 13-19-MY CHURCH!!!!!also Matt10:34-35
---MIC on 12/16/08


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MIC: "Remember a house divided against itself cannot stand..."

There are over 3,300 different Christian denominations just within the United States having their own traditions, ways of living, and interpretations of the Bible. And Christiandom is not divided into 3,300 different directions?

The word "church" is the people, the Christians. When the bible says it will build this church it meant like a multilevel marketing program where you build your downline (of people). It doesn't mean a building.

Christ is returning to join with (marry) his people, not a building, nonprofit corporation or a denomination.
---Steveng on 12/16/08


Mic, if the Holy Spirit reveals himself to you, you put your hand to the plough and get working for him. You do not look back at the friends and family in the old camp. You say to yourself 'If they do not want God to be the king of their lives, then I don't want them in my life.' The parable of the sower, some of the birds snatched the seed away before it had a chance to take root. Some people look back before they even start out working for God. They have to ask permission of their Father, (in the Middle East) or they are hen-pecked, or they are tied to mother's apron strings, or rely on being man-pleasers, or they love money so much.
---frances008 on 12/16/08


Or they are afraid of something coming after them (the god of this world) punishing them for working for the true God. Perhaps punishing their family members. Well, Jesus provides a great solution. Cut yourself off completely from ties to the family. You still love them, but you don't let them know too much about your lifestyle. You still warn them of their sins. But you don't worry yourself about them all the time. Put them in the hands of God. You can always pray for them.
---frances008 on 12/16/08


MIC, the church is holy spirit filled believers who are a living temple of God. There is no other church. Only false idol worshipping ones, built on high places, originally the Cathedrals built were humans had been sacrificed to pagan gods. All denominations come from the Catholic Church, and all religions do too. Jesus did not come to bring religion but to get us to know the truth.Anything built on any foundation other than Jesus, is going to come crashing down.
---frances008 on 12/16/08


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Frances:-I dont quite understand your posting.Hand to the plough -idol worshiping church-where are all these things.BTW why would God want you out of the very church "He instituted" in Matt16:13-19.Remember a house divided against itself cannot stand .so this does not make sensible dialogue.You should support your statements with quotes to be verifiable.
---MIC on 12/16/08


Trav - (Part 1) "If you didn't understand the rest....a studied up Jew would have. Aware of the Talmud?"

Yes I am very aware of the Talmud and still study it, It isn't antichrist, those who don't know how to read it will misinterpret it every time.

"Aware of the Divorce of GOD"

G-d will never forsake Israel, this statement you made is incorrect.

con'td
---Jeff on 12/16/08


Trav - (Part 2)-"You let him know you are Jewish..then christian. Observing.
Your being a Christian..then a Jew to Andy probably just makes him twice as offended."

I'm not christian, I believe Yeshua is Messiah, but I don't believe he is G-d & the NT is not scripture, but I do see them as authoritative writings. I also don't believe in the trinity & I'm still very Torah observant

"Appears you are chastising your Jewish friend for coming here. Which is odd..because you are Jewish."

I was. His argument shouldn't be on a christian blog, he should seek out the believers in his community & ask them. Christian theology is easy to combat & doesn't prove Yeshua as messiah.
---Jeff on 12/16/08


This ties in with the bit about if anyone prefers anything before God they are not worthy of him, and if you put your hand to the plough and look back you are not worthy of the Kingdom of God. If you are in an idol worshipping church and you have been in it since chidhood, God wants you out of it, whether or not your parents have had it revealed to them or not, it is up to you to lead the way for your family. They probably won't listen. That too is in the Bible. But someone else might be able to convince them, and you might be able to convince other people, who are not your family.
---frances008 on 12/16/08


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BTW I am Jewish and only come here to see the direction christian thought is taking.
---Jeff on 12/9/08
Ha, your post didn't make complete sense either. Sorry misunderstood.
Appears you are chastising your Jewish friend for coming here. Which is odd....because you are Jewish. Ha.

You let him know you are Jewish...then christian. Observing.
Your being a Christian....then a Jew to Andy probably just makes him twice as offended.

If you didn't understand the rest....a studied up Jew would have.
Aware of the Talmud?
Aware of the Divorce of GOD.
---Trav on 12/15/08


"He comes to make apostles for his father. You to feel superior to the livestock, mentioned in your Talmud. Anti-christ are among us.You two calling yourself Judeans does not make it so. You brought in Goyim,Nokiry for apostles. Esau was of Jacob. GOD hated him from womb.The largest part of Israel "gentilized" after divorce. To be remarried soon. The wife free by law of death.---Trav on 12/12/08"

Trav I feel I could answer you back if I only understood what the heck you're talking about. You cut & pasted both mine and andy's post, made one quote out of it,then accuse me of being antichrist? I believe you missed the whole intent & meaning of my post to andy. Your post makes no sense.
---Jeff on 12/15/08


Jesus reminds us that there is only ONE TRUE FAITH. IMHO -He warns us to be of ONE ACCORD.Those who follow Him and are willing to stand up for the truth in His testimony even to the point of death WILL have life everlasting.The perversion of mans nature would be a refusal to the acceptance of His doctrine causing differences of opinion,and persecution of those who hold fast to his teachings. "is this not evident on these Postings?"
---MIC on 12/14/08


Man is of the earth and is liken unto the earth in this way, just as the earth absorbs the rain and reproduces of the seed sown therein, so does man. As earthy, sensual beings, the "rain" or inspiration man received, in general, before the coming of Jesus, was primarily provided through the 'world' as the system of things originating with Satan and based on sensual perceptions of the outwardly tangible. Jesus was sent with the sword of His word, that word cuts comprehensively and decisively between that which is soulish-sensually based-and that which is Spiritual-Divinely inspired. Distinguishing within the adherent, the wisdom which is from above, from that which is of the earth.... Cont.
---Josef on 12/14/08


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Most of you come in the name of Satan. Halt, I come in the name of the Lord.

Jesus came to make peace between God and man. And btween Man and man.
---catherine on 12/12/08


In all your post you use only two scriptures to back your opinion. Your witness...is weak without it.

Thou art snared with the words of thy mouth, thou art taken with the words of thy mouth.
Proverbs 6:1-3
I find the following to be true don't you.
Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words.
Proverbs 23:8-10
---Trav on 12/13/08


To Whosoever has an ear to hear?

Judas Iscariot, acted the way he acted, cause he could neither see nor recognize the 'Peace' that Christ brought into the world. Lets not follow His lead, when it come to hearing these verses!

Christ did not come to send peace on earth but to bring us 'Spiritual Peace(heart,soul and mind) of God's Salvational Word'.

The Word is the sword, and is the discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart,and is why He says in Matt.10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, "meaning against the things of this world in his life." The Word is the only thing that can divide asunder the old man and liberate us into being a new creature in Christ(Heb.4:12).
---Shawn_M.T. on 12/12/08


Matthew 10:34-35 basicly talks about that Jesus was bringing a controversial message that the Pharisis (Jewish Priests of the day) did not like or aggree with (even though, it was from God). This brought division. Jesus said that if we preach/teach the words that He spoke (from God) that it WILL bring division (NOT peace), because it will separate the Children of God from the FALSE Children of God (Satan's Children). A sword brings division and cuts. The Message of Jesus (God incarnate), WILL cut into the hearts of people to see what's truly there, and WILL divide the TRUE followers of Jesus from the FALSE converts.
---Leslie on 12/12/08


Sad but true. The truth many times brings warfare even within a home. A preacher friend of mine told me recently of a woman who became interested in the truth and began to discuss it with her husband. He then began to be interested in Christ and began to study the scriptures. She then rejected the truth and the two ended up getting a divorce over it.

Within my own family, my parents were of two different denominations. I can't tell you how many fights that caused.

I've also witness friends bitterly disagreeing about religion.

Let us all agree that:
Ac4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name (Christ Jesus) under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Lord bless you,
---trey on 12/12/08


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It means that, for instance, when one person in a family of unbelievers receives Salvation through YAHUSHUA (JESUS), they will immediately be at odds with the other family members, simply because "two, or more, cannot walk together unless they be agreed". Light and Darkness cannot abide together. So, when the newly Born-Again family member gets saved, Satan will try to discourage this new Saint, by inciting the family members (and friends) to mock and humiliate the new Saint. It's not a "Sword" of Hate, but, one that separates the holy from the unholy. Cutting off the unholy ties so that the Saint can be FREE to walk in GOD's Ways.
---Gordon on 12/12/08


Jesus said in John 8:32 "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." In knowing the truth it will pit true christianity up against false teaching and mans traditions rather than the truths which will bring people in ones household up against one another. It is the sad truth but God wants ones that will serve him in truth and in spirit not most of the false teaching in the christian world today. Remember Matthew 7:14 "Because narrow is the gate, and hard is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Approximately 2 billion christians in the word claim to have found that narrow road that few find? check your bibles and see if what your being taught at the pulpits matches up with Gods.
---Michael on 12/12/08


Most of you come in the name of Satan. Halt, I come in the name of the Lord. Pay attention, Who so happens to be alive and well. Do not be deceived. Jesus was indeed raised from the dead and He did that for ME! Jesus came to make peace between God and man. And btween Man and man. BUT, hold on. Scripture tells us in black and white there are so many who rejects Jesus, and will never find this peace of which Jesus died for. If the whole world would except Jesus then follow would be universal peace. Now those of you who wishes to call me a liar on this is a fool. God will not be mocked, ever. Have a good day as unto the Lord or your day will count for NOTHING.>>>I wonder how many people are having days counting for nothing?
---catherine on 12/12/08


andy -"This text is another reason why Christendom is erroneously against YHWH and the Old Testament." "Turn from idolatry of Jesus
why you would come to christian blog for debates or answers escapes me.
BTW I am Jewish and only come here to see the direction christian thought is taking.
---Jeff on 12/9/08

He comes to make apostles for his father. You to feel superior to the livestock, mentioned in your Talmud. Anti-christ are among us.
You two calling yourself Judeans does not make it so. You brought in Goyim,Nokiry for apostles. br>Esau was of Jacob. GOD hated him from womb.
The largest part of Israel "gentilized" after divorce. To be remarried soon. The wife free by law of death.
---Trav on 12/12/08


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In answer to this question I would like to describe how I judge someone's ministry.
Regardless of how well a particular ministry is received, be it an individual or a large mega-ministry, I always look to see how much opposition are they stirring up.
If you are speaking the word of God you definitely will encounter opposition sometimes of a very very hateful nature. Just yesterday a man told me how members of his Sunday school class were objecting to his witnessing. As he told me I begin to smile for I knew for certain that he was on the right track!!!!! Praise the Lord!!!!!!
---mima on 12/12/08


in the Jewish mind peace equals wholeness, harmony, unity.

but the pharisees had taken the Jewish ways off course from God's intent. so of course what Jesus preached would likely cause divisions (like a sword divides, see Hebrews 4) concerning what the Jewish religion was.

its obvious in many of His dealings with the pharisees and most of the religious leaders.
---opalgal on 12/12/08


Because the truth is painful and difficult to hear. Most attack the truth rather than accept. Those who preach truth find themselves in battle after battle and no peace.
truth doesn't peace but instead it brings anger and dissention.

Jesus' life a perfect example of truth.
The truth is a sword.
---Matthew on 5/5/07

Amen.
Teach me thy way, O LORD, I will walk in thy truth: unite my heart to fear thy name.
Psalm 86:10-12
He shall reward evil unto mine enemies: cut them off in thy truth.
Psalm 54:4-6
All paths of the LORD are mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies.
Psalm 25:9-11
Buy truth, sell it not, also wisdom,instruction, and understanding.
Proverbs 23:22-24
---Trav on 12/11/08


A Christian is not welcome in his own family...

Even though the family belongs to a denominational church, this family will not accept God's Christian. Today's so-called Christians are walking the same path the Jews took during Christ's time - not recognizing the true Word of God. The men and women of God rejects the traditions, ways of living, and interpretations of the Bible of denominational churches. The family rejects the Christian because he or she is not walking the same path as prescribed by the denominational church. Jesus was against the traditions of the religious Jews as today's Christians are against the traditions of "Christian" denominational churches.
---Steveng on 12/10/08


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The Messiah, when He comes again, will bring peace.THEN families will be reunited in harmony. THEN people will "beat their swords into plowshares", THEN "the lion will lay down with the lamb". Many Christians believe this will be the state of affairs when Christ sets up his millenial kingdom on earth.

But it is not the state in which Christ left the world.He told his followers to expect persecution (Luke 6:22) and often warned of the wickedness and perils we face today. Sons DO oppose their fathers and daughters their mothers. Mother-in-law problems are legendary. These are often spiritual conflicts that require much prayer and stimulate Christian growth. Jesus told us it would be so.
---Donna66 on 12/9/08


I love this verse...because churches try to brain wash us that Jesus is all about peace. But no, the truth of God is like a sword that cuts deep inside us right into our very souls. How often in churches do you hear sermons that cut so deep into you that it gets clear to your soul? ( I doubt it happens very often.)

God's truths will convict us and make us walk differently than we did in the past. When we talk of these matters with our family, many times there will rise up divisions, and therefore we stand against each other in our firm beliefs. (However, we still need to be kind, even though we have firm beliefs.)
---Anne on 12/9/08


Jeff,
Thanks for the information. Quite enlightening unto many a debate on this site! Hopefully andy puts this knowledge to good and in-line tought, same goes for the rest of us too.
---Nana on 12/9/08


andy- "Malachi 4:6 tells us that the real Messiah will unite parents and children"


The Mishnah says "If a [disciple] has to choose between his father's [priorities] and his master's, that of his master takes precedence. For his father brought him into this world, but his master, who taught him wisdom, will bring him into the life of the World to Come. But if his father is a Sage, that of his father takes precedence. If his father and his master were both carrying heavy burdens, he removes that of his master and afterwords removes that of his father. If his father and his mother were taken captive, he ransoms his master and afterword he ransoms his father" ( m.Bava Metzia 2:11).
---Jeff on 12/9/08


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andy-"Proverbs 6:19 makes it clear that Jesus is going against Torah by being divisive against parents. Malachi 4:6 tells us that the real Messiah will unite parents and children. The real Messiah will bring peace."

It says in the Gemora "With the footprints of the Mashiach presumption shall increase and death reach its heights,children shall shame the elders and the elders shall rise up before the children, for the son treats the father with contempt, the daughter rises up against her mother, the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law, a man's enemies are the men of his own house. The face of this generation is as the face of a dog, and the son will not be put to shame by his father" ( b.Sotah 49b).
---Jeff on 12/9/08


andy -"This text is another reason why Christendom is erroneously against YHWH and the Old Testament." "Turn from idolatry of Jesus and worship YHWH ELOHIM AND NO OTHER!"

Well by your use of the word "Old Testament" instead of Tanach, and spelling out the sacred name instead of saying Hashem Elokim, its very apparent you're not jewish, but an angry gentile with an agenda. Your argument is weak and why you would come to a christian blog for debates or answers escapes me. BTW I am Jewish and only come here to see the direction christian thought is taking.
---Jeff on 12/9/08


Andy- "Y**H who is Christ", "Christ J*h*v*h"

Uhh, no. Messiah is not G-d. Messiah himself even said so, see Mark 10:18, Luke 18:19. See also John 20:17 and ask yourself does G-d have a G-d? Yeshua himself says he ascends to his G-d and our G-d. I suggest some jewish studies in the nature and role of messiah to accurately understand who he is. Christian theology of the nature and role of messiah fall very, very short.
---Jeff on 12/9/08


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