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Fellowship For Non-Church Goers

I believe in God but I don't belong to any church. Therefore, I am seeking for advise for Christian fellowship.

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---Nana on 9/8/13

The first verse here is Jesus Words that are Spirit and Life. I believe He is saying that to eat His flesh and drink His Blood is to be quickened together with Him as we identify with Him in death and resurrection life. We are Born again of the WORD OF GOD, who is Jesus. And to drink His Blood is to remember His death until He come, Philippians 2....keeping this mind in you that was also in Christ Jesus....as Paul tells us. Jesus was raised from the dead THROUGH THE BLOOD of the everlasting covenant, and Romans 8:11-13 state the same Spirit that raised Jesus from the dead is what quickens us, would have to be through this same BLOOD covenant.

The blood of bulls and goats could never make anyone PERFECT.
---kathr4453 on 9/8/13


"Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."
"It is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."
---Nana on 9/8/13


Revelation 1:5
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,


Hebrews also states, without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sin.

If all it took was water, Jesus didn't have to be the Lamb of God. Also no names are written in any book of water.
---kathr4453 on 9/7/13


sorry salvation is all about the blood sacrifice of Jesus. my sins are covered by the blood. when God sees my heart, He sees the blood of Jesus Christ.
---shira4368 on 9/7/13


It has never been about Blood or perhaps we would have heard of being born of blood and of spirit...

"To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts, and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats. When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts? Bring no more vain oblations, incense is an abomination unto me, the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with, it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting. Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me, I am weary to bear them."
---Nana on 9/7/13




Michael_e, does JESUS call it His "second" Baptism? No scripture even refers to any SECOND BAPTISM that Jesus had.

Jesus Himself never asked anyone if they UNDERSTOOD His "second" baptism, and none of the Letters Paul writes even says, ...."we need to understand the difference between Jesus 1st Baptism and His 2nd Baptism. We need to understand Jesus was referring to His death and resurrection in those verses. And we need to know John didn't baptize Jesus to wash away Jesus sins. Jesus was baptized by John as a symbol of His death and resurrection. And you will see Jesus was the ONLY ONE ,who immediately after ,had the Holy Spirit descend on Him.
---kathy4453 on 9/7/13


Michael_e, those who understand scripture KNOW water Baptism never saved anyone. Water cannot wash away sin, and even in John the Baptist time, John was not teaching it could. From Genesis 1 to Revelation ONLY BLOOD can. Our water Baptism today is SYMBOLIC of our death, burial and resurrection with Jesus Christ. It is our OPEN Testimony before all that we are already saved, and will be drinking from the same CUP. It ,in itself does not save anyone. The Lords supper again, doesn't save anyone either, but Paul did it, practiced it, and said , when drinking the CUP, do this IN REMEMBRANCE of me.....to remember His death until He come. Again to eat His flesh and drink His Blood is drinking of the same CUP....the fellowship of His sufferings.
---kathr4453 on 9/7/13


Exactly Isaiah. You evaded true recipients.
---Trav on 9/5/13

there are TOOO MANY verses that include non hebrews in god promise
---francis on 9/5/13

Many avoid whenever possible the stated recipients of the verses mentioned. As in Heb 8:8/Jer 31:31/Matt 10:6/15:24 etc.

The scriptures you post the context is Israel. Both houses. The context is Ethnos/Nations of Israel. Same race same habit.

A half a dozen verses that seem to say what you imply and one prophet in english language. Vs thousands explicitly toooo Israel...both Houses.
Jesus healed non Israel who had faith. GOD can do as GOD wants too.
To ignore....change what is stated and prophesied is opposite of honest.
---Trav on 9/7/13


//fewer have been baptized with the Holy Spirit AND WITH FIRE//
Who do you know that has been baptized with fire?
//ok so Jesus second baptism, ...are you saying that was only for Israel? //
I simply said Jesus was baptized twice, you disagreed and wanted to argue about it. Go argue with Mark, he might enjoy it.
---michael_e on 9/6/13


Michael_e, even fewer have been baptized with the Holy Spirit AND WITH FIRE. We see there are many references to baptism in scripture. Baptism UNTO DEATH, Water Baptism, unto Moses, the one Peter refers to re: Noah, and that again not John the Baptists or the washing away of sin of the flesh by water, but a good conscience BY THE RESURRECTION of Jesus Christ. Then Baptized for the dead, in 1st Cor 15.

ok so Jesus second baptism, ...are you saying that was only for Israel? This "CUP" Jesus prayed and asked God to remove from Him if possible..that one? So Exactly WHEN did Jesus receive this second Baptism spoken of in Matthew? AND what makes you think it's not that of OUR identification with Jesus in death and resurrection life?
---kathr4453 on 9/6/13




So Michael_e, Jesus is referring to His UPCOMING ordeal as "a baptism", and Jesus is referring to and openly stated His death and resurrection and again referring to it another way..."THIS CUP".

So why then do you teach it was some big hidden secret ...The Mystery of HOW we become one with Christ, through our identification with Jesus in death and resurrection life, if He openly asked if His disciples were also willing to drink from that same CUP. So, this second baptism??? Are you saying does NOT belong to the Church? Or Does?

CHRIST in You is the Mystery that comes only to those who DRINK FROM THE SAME CUP, identifying with Him in Death and resurrection life. Romans 6 Colossians 2-3
---kathr4453 on 9/6/13


//Michael _e...Jesus was never Baptized twice//
Here Jesus tells them all about His death burial and resurrection, Jesus refers to as Baptism.//
1. John water baptized Jesus
2.His death was a baptism.
Kathr, I guess you see Jesus had at least two baptisms, which was the original simple statement.
Huge problem, when people hear the word baptism, the automatic thought is "WATER"
Most on CN have been water baptized for whatever reason.
Fewer have been baptized into Christ, the boC.
---michael_e on 9/6/13


God BY THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST.....life out of DEATH.

Michael_ e, when America went through the Revolutionary war and Civil War, it too was referred to as a baptism. So baptism also means to endure great suffering, and NEW Life out of that suffering.

There is a BAPTISM unto DEATH, and THIS is what Jesus meant in Matthew 20.

---kathr4453 on 9/6/13

Where did this example come from, America is responsible for the suffering of many nations particularly the indigenous native Indians the original people of America.


this statement is pure colonialism proper gander!
---Carla on 9/6/13


Matthew 20:17 And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples apart in the way, and said unto them,

18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death,

19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.

20 Then came to him the mother of Zebedees children with her sons, worshipping him, and desiring a certain thing of him.

Here Jesus tells them all about His death burial and resurrection, Jesus refers to as Baptism. Yet you say this was some secret only revealed to Paul???? NO it wasn't. Only REVEALED more deeply to Paul.
---kathr4453 on 9/6/13


Rom 6:3, Paul says: "baptised unto death" meaning that we are not only dead to our former ways, but they are buried. To return to them is as unthinkable for a Christian as for one to dig up a dead corpse!

Peter uses Noah's flood too as this example, referring to it as not the washing away of the sin of the flesh, which would be John the Baptist Baptism, but a good conscience towards God BY THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST.....life out of DEATH.

Michael_ e, when America went through the Revolutionary war and Civil War, it too was referred to as a baptism. So baptism also means to endure great suffering, and NEW Life out of that suffering.

There is a BAPTISM unto DEATH, and THIS is what Jesus meant in Matthew 20.
---kathr4453 on 9/6/13


Michael_e, your doctrine extremely dangerous. You are saying that this Baptism in Matthew 20 only belongs to earthly Israel. You couldn't be more wrong. Jesus told about His death and resurrection, and also a "baptism unto death" offered to those willing to drink of that same cup, not only do we see FREE WILL here discussed, but the doctrine of the CROSS introduced.

Paul so identifies with THIS CUP in Philippians 3, "that I may KNOW HIM, and the fellowship of His suffering, and the power of His resurrection, being made conformable to His death...."

Have YOU taken of this CUP yourself Michael_e? Until you do, you better stop teaching lies, aiding the enemy.
---kathr4453 on 9/6/13


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michael e, you interpretation of (Matt. Luke, and Mark concerning another baptism is completely wrong. Jesus was asking a question, He was not saying He was going to be baptized again. Read several times. The baptism that Christians have symbolizes and identifies us with Jesus in death, burial and resurrection. It is the same baptism Jesus recieved in (Matt. 3:13-17). The passages all state He was already baptized.
On the subject of whether the disciples knew the reason for Jesus death, they didn't know the reason, but did know He would die since He told them four times. In fact Peter tried to stop the death and Jesus rebuked him.
---Mark_V. on 9/6/13


Michael_e, you mean the baptism of suffering, drinking the same cup?

Jesus was saying to be greatest in the Kingdom is to identify with His sufferings. Lets be clear Michael_e, no one is saved through suffering. YET we see Paul through out all his teachings also tell us we too suffer as Christians. We suffer because we are no longer part of this world system, just as Peter taught in 1st Peter 4:1 to the Christian Jews, Paul taught to Christian Gentiles. Those who SUFFER with Him will be Glorified together with Him.

Just more proof it's the SAME GOSPEL. Paul,said: Phil 3:

AND THE FELLOWSHIP OF HIS SUFFERING, being made conformable to His death. Paul is just re-iterating what Jesus told the sons of Thunder.
---kathr4453 on 9/5/13


---michael_e on 9/5/13

I understand what you are saying about the two baptism.

And every church teaches that truth.

I do not think that the punishment that Christ endured, and the baptism with water are the same things.

The baptism with which Jesus suffered, can be likened to Jesus saying that he will be in the heart of the earth.
---francis on 9/5/13


The bible says that the seventh day is the sabbath, and you are not follwoing what the bible says, are you not in the least bit curiousas to why ths is so?

the bible says that sin is thetrangression of the law, and that the ten commandmenst points out sin, are you not the least it interested in why your pastor does not teach you to keep all of the ten commandments?

Isaiah 4:1 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.

believe me, MANY pastors are waiting for their congregation to bring us the subject and ask to study it from the bible
---francis on 9/5/13


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//Jsesus was never Baptized twice//
Really? try reading
1. Matt 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized,
2. Matt 20:22 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?
---michael_e on 9/5/13


2.Jesus second baptism which he accomplished at the cross where he was identified with the sins of Israel and the world. (Mt 20:22-23, Mk 10:38-39, Luke 12:50)
Now you have heard of Jesus being baptized more than once.

---michael_e on 9/4/13


Michael _e...Jesus was never Baptized twice, Identifying with sin and Israel is not a baptism anyway. plus no scripture states Jesus identified with sin and Israel. Please back this up with scripture. Jesus died for our sin, He didn't IDENTIFY with Sin. And when WE are baptized into his death, we identify with His Death, not sin.
---kathr4453 on 9/5/13


Exactly Isaiah. You evaded true recipients.
---Trav on 9/5/13

Romans 3:9 What then? are we better [than they]? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin,

Galatians 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

there are TOOO MANY verses that include non hebrews in god promise
---francis on 9/5/13


Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: ...

Hebrews 10:16
---francis on 8/31/13

Exactly Isaiah. You evaded true recipients. Will post for ....The Lost Sheep of the Nth House of Israel.

Heb 8:8 ..... saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Gen_17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
Eze_39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name,
---Trav on 9/5/13


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francis, the first thing here is my age has nothing to do with my faith or beliefs.
---shira4368 on 9/5

never said age had anything to do with faith or beliefs. Sometimes our response do suprise me

See what the BIBLE says about those of advanced age, and then you will see what I am saying about your age
---francis on 9/5/13


shira4368 - what Frances is asking is that you may ask your pastor which day is the Jewish Sabbath and which day the Spirit of the Lord has us to assemble for communal worship.

Hebrews 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is, but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

Non-Jewish Christian worship on Sundays, the Lord's day.
---lee1538 on 9/5/13


francis, the first thing here is my age has nothing to do with my faith or beliefs. all it says is I've been in this for almost 60 yrs. my church is a bible believing church. we don't answer to any "headquarters" but we do answer to God. we don't teach things that are not in God's Word. maybe you should question your church...if you have one.
---shira4368 on 9/5/13


....Israel having rejected Him, .....when Israel continued in their rejection, He revealed through Paul His new program....
---michael_e on 9/2/13

Well sir you totally do not realize who constitutes Israel.
He went to his own who rejected him. Judah.
The Nth House of Ten accepted him. It is who he said he came for in Matt 10:6/15:24.
If you search the prophets the story unfolds. All of the Testaments of New Covenant is to both houses.

Rom_11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Jas_1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
---Trav on 9/5/13


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shira4368 you are 74 years old. You have been at your church serving faithfully for years. You deserve some honesty from your Pastor.

Set some time aside to speak with your pastor privately. You have earned that time and respect.

Ask your pastor to be honest with you and tell you which day (sunday through saturday) which day is the 7th, and which day does the BIBLE say is the sabbath.

Ask him based on Galation 3:15 How is it possible to add sunday to the new covenant AFTER the death fo Jesus

It is also possible that God will use you to bring your church into harmony with all ten of His commandments

Esther 4:14 who knoweth whether thou art come for such a time as this?
---francis on 9/4/13


wow francis, it is obvious you don't know anything about me or Baptist. everything we do is biblical, EVERYTHING. I am sorry your whole faith is on the law.. I am thankful I didn't get saved by the law. now that I am a born again sinner, I do strive to keep the law. obviously that is impossible because I am a sinner saved by grace. evidently my definition of judge is not the same as yours.
---shira4368 on 9/4/13


---shira4368 on 9/4/13
First of all, this is what you MUST look for to join God's church. I did not make it up, I just posted strait from the WORD OF GOD!!

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Same as in the New Testament:

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

You did not know before NOW you know the Baptist church does NOT meet this standard, and you want to be in God's church, so why stay in a church that fails the standard?

That is the important question
---francis on 9/4/13


Mark_V lets try two questions.
Does your church teach that Jesus was baptized multiple times?
Does your church teach that the disciples were ignorant about why Christ had to die and tried to prevent it?
Would you go to an assembly that taught this?
---michael_e on 9/4/13


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//I have never even heard of this being taught.Scott1 on 9/4/13//
All baptisms aren't "water"
1.Jesus, who knew no sin, was baptized by John to fulfill all righteousness. (Mat 3:13-17, Mk 1:9-10)

2.Jesus second baptism which he accomplished at the cross where he was identified with the sins of Israel and the world. (Mt 20:22-23, Mk 10:38-39, Luke 12:50)
Now you have heard of Jesus being baptized more than once.
---michael_e on 9/4/13


francis, seems you already did the judgeing of me. why are you in your church? would you have joined if you didn't know what they believe? you are judgeing me because I want to know core doctrine in any church I join.
---shira4368 on 9/4/13


//Does YOUR church teach that Jesus was baptized multiple times?//

I have never even heard of this being taught.
---Scott1 on 9/4/13


Does YOUR church teach that there is more than one gospel in the Bible?

Does YOUR church teach that Jesus was baptized multiple times?

Would YOU go to a church that teaches these things?
--michael_e on 9/3/13
No I would not go to a church that teaches any of these things.

I would like to see your scruoptural / biblical / doctrinal referecnes PLEASE
---francis on 9/4/13


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michael, you say,
"Mark_v Does YOUR church teach that there is more than one gospel in the Bible?" there is many discriptive names for the gospel of Jesus Christ.
"the gospel of peace" "the gospel of Christ" the gospel of the grace of God" "the gospel of the kingdom" "an eternal gospel"
Paul said,
"I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel-which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ." The questions you asked bring confusion to the gospel by saying there is many gospels.
---Mark_V. on 9/4/13


doctrine is so vital to believers. if we didn't judge them, how would we know what they teach?
---shira4368 on 9/3/13
Here is a good place to start "judging"

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
---francis on 9/4/13


Michael, sorry it just sounded like it. we do need to judge the church we want to attend. doctrine is so vital to believers. if we didn't judge them, how would we know what they teach?
---shira4368 on 9/3/13


Mark_v
Does YOUR church teach that there is more than one gospel in the Bible?
Does YOUR church teach that Jesus was baptized multiple times?
Does YOUR church teach that the disciples were ignorant about why Christ had to die and tried to prevent it?
Would YOU go to a church that teaches these things?
Using one of your cliches, give scripture please.
---michael_e on 9/3/13


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markv, the first question I would ask if the church has more than one gospel. there is no such thing as more than one gospel...leaving the real gospel to be one. all other is not of God, but of satan. satan deceives millions everyday.
---shira4368 on 9/3/13


michael e, I believe you are very wrong yourself and not entitle to judge other churches on what they teach. You say,
"Does your church teach that there is more than one gospel in the Bible?
There were many descriptive title names through history about the gospel, all pertained to "the gospel of Jesus Christ". The first gospel in Genesis taught very little, as time went on, the second explained more, then the third more, until the death of Christ. The gospel pertained to a Redeemer that would come. Gen. 3:15 And He came, and died. To save His people from their sins through His death. It is the same Gospel. Old Testament believers did not understand Christ atonement as clearly as we do today.
---Mark_V. on 9/3/13


shira4368 I wasn't addressing you at all. I was simply asking some questions, if my questions offend you, I am sorry, but I would not attend a church that couldn't answer in the affirmative.
---michael_e on 9/3/13


Oops! Got to make a correction .. they do not explain take it unworthy you up to sickness ,even death like the Bible explains.. Lidia4796
---Lidia4796 on 9/3/13


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Michael, my church preaches ole time bible, salvation, the blood, hell, heaven and much much more. if you don't want to go to church, that is your choice. here we have another example of free will.
I was just saying how important fellowship with other believers are to me. I said I would dry up without it.
---shira4368 on 9/3/13


SisterShira4368, all respect I FIND a real church here for
the Lord ( I know if it is him, No doubt)most the churches this area not for real..

in traditions of men, they are not into the word, I was shock at our previous pastor he could not answer hardly NO questions and sorry, to say he could not do a prayer ... without a book to look at ( he could not consentrate) if someone gave him a request!

Not being mean it true.. he was not called to.preach, he later admitted himself.. he left .

That denomination does EXPLAIN .. honor the communion about that if you take it unworthy you could die or become ill...
They are mostly into political issues and rights ...
---Lidia4796 on 9/3/13


My only advice is to wait on God.
---catherine on 9/3/13


Does your church teach you why they practice age old traditions with no Biblical foundation. Does your Pastor remain ignorant or avoid the simple answers to the most dangerous Biblical attacks.

All of this results in more people who are deceived about salvation and remain ignorant of what the Bible actually says.
Does your church teach that there is more than one gospel in the Bible?
Does your church teach that Jesus was baptized multiple times?
Does your church teach that the disciples were ignorant about why Christ had to die and tried to prevent it?
---michael_e on 9/2/13


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steveng, to me the local church is a group of believers. I would dry up spiritually if I didn't have the fellowship. maybe that is my weakness but I love going to church and feeling the Spirit move. I love to hang out with believers and talk about the Word of God. I would be as dead mans bones.
---shira4368 on 9/2/13


Ephesians 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands,

Ephesians 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

Ephesians 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us,

Isaiah 56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people:... I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
---francis on 9/1/13


First, the meaning of "church" today is completely different than it was 2,000 years ago. The way church is misused is the way people use it. "Did you go to church today?" I didn't see you a church today." "Our church has a great pastor." "our church has better activities than the one down the street."

The true church of God is people - christians, period. It's not a building, or a denomination, statues, or assets like what most christians believe today.
---Steveng on 9/1/13


Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: ...

Hebrews 10:16
---francis on 8/31/13

Exactly Isaiah. Since you overlooked the recipients. Will post for them....The Sheep.

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Gen_17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
Eze_39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name,
---Trav on 8/31/13


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---veton on 7/26/05
To find the TRUE church, the wheat among the tares: here is God's standard:

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Luke 16:29 They have Moses and the prophets, let them hear them.

Matthew 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.

Revelation 12:17 the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12 the saints: are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Hebrews 10:16
---francis on 8/31/13


No doubt there are more churches in your community than banks and bars combined.

You would think that you could hear anything you wanted from such a doctrinal smorgasbord. Yet there are quite a few things that most churches will not teach you.

For example it is extremely rare to find a church that will teach that Jesus did not preach to the Gentiles while he walked the earth (Matt 15:24). But since that is the case, where do you fit in?
---michael_e on 8/31/13


I believe you are correct Shira. What is most important is to have fellowship with Christ first. That can also be done among the brethren. Fellowshipping with other Christians is what we should also do. When we do that we can help each other. The spiritual gifts are given not only for the ministry of the gospel but also to nurture and edify the Church of Christ the believers.
---Mark_V. on 8/29/13


If you don't have fellowship with other Christians then you are missing something good. there should always be joy in the house of God. I love to hang out with fellow Christians, love al of them.
---shira4368 on 8/27/13


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Myself I believe what is important is my fellowship with Jesus Christ. I dont think you can get anymore intimate with the Lord Jesus than to fellowship with God. Ro 3:4b let God be true, but every man a liar. Luke 8:18 Take heed therefore how ye hear. If you do decide to go to a church compare everything they say against scripture. Hear God not man God bless.
---non-church-goer on 8/21/13


I am a spiritual person and pray daily, due to some problems where i have been a member for many years I too quit going. However I try to find various groups in the community and use common sense. Blessings
---Audrey on 10/10/08


If you want Christian fellowship, hang around Christian people... Best place for that is Church!! You don't have to 'join' but you do need to attend. Not for what you 'get', but for what you can 'give'. We should go to church to worship God and for learning his Word, but without knowing it, something you do or say while there, could be the very thing someone needs to lift them up. It's selfish to refuse someone a blessing by staying home.... don't you think?
---David on 11/15/07


Larry,
"Pastors should have a job but don't take my word ask Paul."

Ok let's ask Paul:
Paul, should a pastor be paid?

1 Timothy 5:17,18 "Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward."
---BRUCE5656 on 2/26/07


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PART TWO:


So you think it is ok with the Lord if a pastor is paid?

1 Corinthians 9:14 "Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel."

Thank you Paul for making that clear.
---BRUCE5656 on 2/26/07


Larry ... Just what is it that is wrong for a pastor to be full-time?
---alanUKquent64534 on 2/26/07


Find a loving, bible teaching church and join as soon as possible. It is God's will for believers to belong to the fellowship of other believers. We draw our strength and love from other believers. Read Hebrews 10:25 in your bible,also. We also need to be fed and loved by a good pastor. A believer without a church home is like a wanderer on the streets. A homeless person. Get my point. Love you. Bless you.
---robyn on 2/26/07


If the church has a professional pastor don't go. If it sends money all over the world but doesn't take care of it's own don't go. Pastors should have a job but don't take my word ask Paul. The church should care for widows and orphans also
---Larry on 2/26/07


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Greetings. The terms "out of church Christianity" and "church hopper" would describe me. I have learned a lot over the years, and being disillusioned with institutional churches It doesn't matter what church you belong to, every believer has the right to close the door to the outside world and invoke their spiritual power-tools in private (Mat.6:6). Blessings, Errol.
---Errol on 10/18/05


I was born and raised in my previous church, but at the age of 23 my parents moved off and I had to find a church local, because we were attending a church out of town. Well I prayed and sought God and I found a church that teaches the word of truth and I've been going for about a year now and I plan to stay there. So just seek God and he will direct you to where you need to go.
---bessie on 8/21/05


I've attended the same church for about 17 years now after a few false starts in other churches. I'm happy there, the gospel is preached but I have decided not to become a member. I think there is only one other person there who is not a member but I just don't see that as important. I would not like to be without a church I can call home though and the support and fellowship of those I meet each week.
---F.F. on 8/19/05


I have a home church but not a member. I would seek God to send you to a church where he can use you the most. If a person is going to a church and not get anything out of the preaching then that isn't where God wants you. I feel a person needs to go to church. I felt welcomed in some churches but not at home. I found a little church where you can feel the love as soon as you walk through the door. If the Pastor hears of anyone gossiping, etc he will tell them it won't be done at this church.
---Rebecca_D on 7/27/05


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Going to church is nessasary. It is God's plan for our lives, to be together as a whole. Keep in mind, that at church we are all sinners saved by grace. Without Christ we are Nothing at all. We have to have faith to believe that God loves us. Remember that! For we hurt each other at times. We are all learning how to love each other. God loves us at all times.
---Linda3939 on 7/26/05


I don't think it's necessary to become a "member", but it's beneficial to attend church. The bible teaches us to continue meeting with Christians for "iron sharpens iron". If church is not an option at this point in your life, find a bible study you can attend. You can dig deep into the Word, ask questions, receive prayer, pray for others' needs, and get to know people more intimately and serve them better through it.
---Katie on 7/26/05


Several years ago I stopped attending church regularly due to unpleasant circumstances. A couple of years ago, I decided to go "church-hopping" until I found one I liked. I believe I was spirit-led to stay at the first one, although it wasn't the denomination I previously belonged to. The members and pastor made me feel welcome, I was "home." It's a wonderful feeling.
---Nan on 7/26/05


First, examine your belief in God. Even the devil belives in God. (James 2:19) Second, you should at least attend a Christian fellowhip, but a church would be better so you can get solid doctrine. (Heb. 10:25) Let's take a charcoal bricket for example: Move a lighted one away from the other lighted ones, and the one moved burns out. But first, examine your belief in God it may be lacking salvation.
---Ray on 7/26/05


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I am also a deeply spiritual Christian looking for a "home" church. It takes time to find one that you can call home, esp if you've had a negative experience(s) at what you thought was your home church. When you're ready to return to church or you feel the "itch" to return, a church will find its way to you in some way. God bless for knowing yourself and not blindly going to any church to make your home.
---Liz5853 on 7/26/05


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