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Does God Unadopt Us

If we are adopted as God's children, if we sin, does He unadopt us and reject us. I think once we are adopted into Him, we are sealed for good.

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"Not by works of righteous which we have done, but by his mercy he has saved us." (Titus 3:5) answers your question. If we were not saved by works, we certainly are not kept by works....can't be unadoopted
---Fred on 2/7/08


"He very much would like for you to adopt Him."

What? That's not how adoption works. What child marches down the street, comes up to a man and says, "Hey! You're adopting me! Now I'm part of your family and entitled to my inheritance." It's the other way around. God adopts us. John 15:16, 19 Mark 13:20 Matt.22:14
---Tina5349 on 2/7/08


#1 Adoption is translated in the Greek to "son-placement", just as when you were born into your natural family, you were placed there by God as a son or a daughter. When we are born again, we are placed into the family of God, born into it, placed as sons of the living God. This is a most important question that all believers ask after being born again. Is our salvation secure, or is God going to reject us when we mess up?
---Gary54 on 5/14/07


#2 I am so glad that I didn't devise this plan of salvation because I wouldn't pardon mess ups like God does. That is why this plan of His is so perfect, no man had any part of it, and that is why it is so hard for man to comprehend the grace of God. God's ways are higher than our ways, He doesn't ask us to understand His grace or His staying power, or His keeping power, He just asks us to have faith in it.
---Gary54 on 5/14/07


#3 It is the nature of man to want to have something to do with their salvation. If we believe God, then man plays no part in it. If we sin in the flesh, God doesn't see it because those sins were placed on Christ on the Cross. That doesn't give us liberty to sin because "the love of God constraineth us." We can fall from grace but never from salvation. He cannot and will not unadopt us. We are His forever.
---Gary54 on 5/14/07




First of all we are Adopted when we receive the New Birth. And it is not if we sin after He adopts us, it's when we sin after He adopts us, because we are going to sin after He adopts us. Are we sealed for good,even tho we sin after He adopts us? Yes, if we continuously ask God through Jesus Christ to forgive us. You walk away from God, He lets you go, you are lost forever.
---catherine on 5/13/07


2Jn.9 he who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. I think Romans 8 sums up a believers state pretty good
nothing shall separate a believer from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus. actually there's quite a few verses in God's word confirming how the saints preserver in this life
---steven on 5/13/07


No He does not: we disconnect ourselves from Him thru sin. But since Christ came to reconnect us again 2 Him thru repentence and confession of our sins, then we get reconnected again. Isnt that awesome?
---jana on 5/5/07


I see you asked and answered your own question.
Here is what I believe:
God is LOVE and He very much would like for you to adopt Him.
AND
If you change your mind, you are always free to tell hom to get lost! The trouble: You are going to be the big looser!
---Pierr7958 on 5/4/07


Praise God that He does not reject us when we fail. We all stumble in many things, but the Lord is there waiting to help us up and walk with us the rest of the way.
---Helen_5378 on 9/4/06




Many people do not believe God, but he said, "no man can snatch you out of my hand." Now either what God has said is true or one must call God a liar. Everyone makes a choice, and your choice will not affect the truthfulness of God's word. Think about it!!
---mima on 9/4/06


r.w. , Amen, r.w. Amen, Amen ,and Amen. There are a few here that know the Truth, Amen and Amen. Praise God. --Mrs. Morgan
---Mrs._Morgan on 9/4/06


right luisa , no man can pluck us out of their hand, but you can leave anytime you wish. rom 3:25 remission of sins that are past,,,,,,,doesnt say past present and future. u dont lose free will
---r.w. on 9/3/06


I disagree The Lord can't unadopt us.. When we are born again he has sealed us with the Holy Spirit, until the day of redemption.
You can't compare human errors with those of God. remember he is Perfect, he has promised to leave us, Nor forsake us. Jesus said in John, that no one can pluke us out of his Father's hand.
---Luisa on 8/9/06


yes he can. Think about your partner. they cheat on you, you are hurt but you forgive them cause they truly where sorry then they do it again and you forgive them. What if they just continue to do it and don't even care anymore about saying sorry or when they say it you can see they don't mean it. Will you still want to be with them knowing they care nothing about how they are hurting you. God knows our heart so he knows if you are genuine when you are sorry or not.
---Judith on 8/24/05


cyndi, who is not in debt these days - most families have husband and wife working, and still have difficulty maintaining a roof, food and clothing and transportation. God sees our circumstances, and will judge accordingly. Bare necessities are a burden when your paycheck doesn't stretch from beginning to end of month.
---Linda on 8/21/05


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Alan, the truth is every true born-again Christian lives in Christ and not in sin, we are made the righteousness of Christ to obey and serve him and not sin, so there's no need for me to inquire of a fellow saint whether they are saved or not. Please read I John chapter 3.
---Eloy on 8/9/05


If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us. The Holy Spirit who resides in us will convict us. It is your job to ask for forgiveness right then. Anger is a sin, being in debt is a sin, cursing is a sin, gossiping is a sin.. Lots of things are a sin. Everything that is in the Bible is commands for us to follow, and when we are out of the perfect will of God, we are sinning. Remember God said that His people shall perish for lack of knowledge.
---cyndi on 8/9/05


Dear Sister Elle: Yes, indeed, we are "sealed" with our Lord (read 2Corinthians1:21-22 & Ephesians1:13-14). We separate ourselves from God when we sin, but He stands ready to forgive us if we ask with a pure and humble heart. God doesn't play games - He knows our hearts and most secret thoughts.
---Elsie on 8/1/05


Eloy ... how many other Christians do you know personally who do not ever sin?
---Alan8869_of_UK on 8/1/05


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Paul does write several times that we are sealed until the day of redemption. Study the word SEALED. You will find your answer.
---geraa7578 on 8/1/05


lisa, Nah, as long as i keep my mind and heart stayed on Christ, and i abide in Christ and Christ abides in me, there will be no delusions.
---Eloy on 8/1/05


so are trying to see just how much you can get away with or you are really truly aware of your own humanity? well fear not, because the BIBLE says and if anyone argues with me then then you're arguing with the BIBLE- nothing can separate us from the love of God. He knows your name now and has taken your spirit up to heaven for the holy spirit to dwell in your stead, and remember- "if you deny me then I will deny you- but if you lose faith then I will not deny you for I cannot deny myself."
---matthew on 8/1/05


Eloy, you need to be careful that you dont develop a messianic complex.
---lisa on 7/31/05


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lisa, i already replied below. Never will you hear any tickling from me, for i only supply straight truth from the scriptures. But if you are looking for falsehood from me, then you will be terribly disappointed, just as the gainsayers in Jesus' day were equally disappointed for not being able to find any true fault with his words.
---Eloy on 7/31/05


Come on Eloy, I'm waiting for you to respond the the scriptures that Cyndi cited. You haven't dealt with them yet in your usual "Eloy" fashion. I'm curious as to how you are going to modify its meaning to tickle your ears and belief system.
---lisa on 7/30/05


cyndi, Whoever abides in him sins not: whoever sins doesn't know him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning...Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are shown, and the children of the devil: whoever does not righteousness is not of God. I John 3:6-10.
---Eloy on 7/29/05


Eloy, I was not speaking specifically about you when I said "you"..it was a general "you" like the royal "we"......
---Ann5758 on 7/29/05


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To the blogs on 7/27... I John 1:10 "If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us." KJV
I John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." KJV
Even after being born again, we ALL sin. No One is with out sin
---cyndi on 7/29/05


Ann, you wrote "the thought of lust crosses your mind"? Ann, that never crosses my mind. My mind is stayed on the Lord.
---Eloy on 7/29/05


Madison, i lie not, so there's nothing for me to save.
---Eloy on 7/29/05


Cliff:
The Bible speaks of death in a threefold way: physical, spiritual, and eternal.

To human beings death is not the end of life. The Bible indicates that we are more than physical beings ... we are also spiritual beings. Therefore, for man, physical death does not mean the end of existence but the transition to another eternal dimension. Death is certainly separation from God to those destined to spend eternity in hell.
---DoryLory on 7/29/05


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DoryLory; Nowhere in scripture does it say that death is "seperation from God" Death is the cessation of life! Jesus' death cancelled out the "Adamic" sin that caused man to die! Our "personal" sins are forgiven by sincere "repentance" as often as our weak flesh causes us to sin!
---1st_cliff on 7/28/05


DoryLory: Amen to all you shared on sin. It is exactly what I have been taught in my studies of scriptures.
---Madison on 7/28/05


Pt1
"THE wages of sin is death." (Romans 6:23) -- Death literally means separation from God.

Sin causes us to lose the sense of God's presence. It's not that God leaves but rather, something comes between us (Him & me) when there's unconfessed sin in my life. I'm aware when something's just not right in my spirit. It's the conviction of the Holy Spirit and it's His job to make me uncomfortable when there's something in my life that needs to be corrected (John 16:8).
---DoryLory on 7/28/05


Pt2
An act of sin does not cause any Christian to lose their salvation. My study Bible says: "When the Scripture says, 'Whoever is born of God does not sin' (1 John 5:18), the sense of the Greek is not that a Christian never commits an act of sin, but that he does not continue in a course of sin, refusing to confess and repent of his sins. A person born of the Spirit of God will be drawn back to repentance every time he sins."
---DoryLory on 7/28/05


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Pt3
It's a lifestyle of sin that threathens a person's salvation, not a single act.

God has given to us the opportunity to be delivered from the guilt of sin -- not the nature of sin. We will have our sin nature throughout our lives. But Gods grace is greater than all sin. Romans 5:20 says, where sin abounds, grace abounds MUCH MORE.
---DoryLory on 7/28/05


Pt4
Grace is God's favor or kindness and is shown without regard to the worth or merit of the one who receives it (1 Timothy 1:12-16). It is a free gift from God that we could never earn or deserve. The only way we get God's grace is to receive it (John 16). The question is not, will God's grace be available to someone walking in unconfessed sin BUT will they be able to receive it.
---DoryLory on 7/28/05


So, Eloy, do you say that if you have been a Christian for 30 years of your life, and always confess your sins and come away right with God, one day you're crossing the road, see a very well-proportioned young lady, the thought of lust crosses your mind (remember, thinking the sin is the same as committing it)and since you are watching her, you're hit by a car and die without having time to confess that sin and repent...you will automatically go to hell? Is that for you to decide, or God Almighty?
---Ann5758 on 7/28/05


Eloy: I am not going to buy into your thinking that if I sin, I am going to Hell. You are the first person in 30 years to tell me that. I am a born again, blood bought, child of God. I have gone to Bible teaching churches and have walked with the Lord for that time, growing in my walk each day. Please save your lies for someone else.
---Madison on 7/28/05


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"Learn Christ and Him crucified. Learn to praise Him and, despairing of
yourself, say, 'Lord Jesus, You are my righteousness, just as I am Your sin.
You have taken upon Yourself what is mine and have given to me what I was
not.' Beware of aspiring to such purity that you will not wish to be looked
upon as a sinner, or to be one. For Christ dwells only in sinners.
- Martin Luther
---Tina5349 on 7/28/05


Mark 2:17 And when Jesus heard it, he said to them, "Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners."
---Tina5349 on 7/28/05


Madison, The Bible says your sins have separated you from your God, that he will not hear you. Lisa, i have no theories on sin, only Biblical fact. When you sin you are in condemnation, not grace. And the Lord will say, something like you just said, to the sinners. Please read Matthew 7:21-23. Alan, my address is not to "all of us" as you speak for others, but it is only to those who are sin-supporters who think that they are in God's grace but in reality they are not, instead they are in sin.
---Eloy on 7/28/05


Amen, Linda, trust you to always come up with the scriptural verse to what we are all saying. God love you Linda, You are so great. I love your love for the word. Its so inspiring. So refreshing from all this religious hog wash that gets said here without scriptural reference. One knows the truth when one hears it. That's a God inbuilt quality we have been given. Pity so many dont fine tune it.
---lisa on 7/27/05


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Hi, no, God does not unadopt us. If we sin, we have One who speaks to the Father, Holy God, on our behalf in our defense. 1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins to Him, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
vs.7 if we walk in the light as He is in the light...the blood of Jesus puriffies us.
If we believe in Jesus the Son of God and keep His words, we have eternal life.
---Linda3939 on 7/27/05


Alan: I have to say that Eloy is the only person I know that does not sin. I venture to guess the rest of the Christians I know still sin. He is one of a kind.
---Madison on 7/27/05


Eloy ... most Christians still sin after being saved ... you are very much the exception in not sinning at all. So please do not tell us all that hwen we do sin we unadopt ourselves & therefore lose our salvation.
---Alan8869_of_UK on 7/27/05


p2. No sir-ey, Christ died ONCE FOR ALL as the scripture says, and we only need come to His throne of grace for forgiveness every time we sin and we do, all the time.
---lisa on 7/27/05


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This is a great question because it really calls into light Eloy's theories of SIN, saying that when we sin we lose our "born again" or "adopted" position and have to start again which is complete and utter nonsense. Can you imagine, God sitting there saying "oops, you've sinned, I'm disowning you" and oops there you go and vice vera, in th spiritual realm God set it up to be that when we sin we lose our redemption so Christ once again has to be crucified for our sins....
---lisa on 7/27/05


As a child, by birth or adopted, I can seperate my self from a relationship with or an inheritance from my parents. Note, I would still be the "child".

Therefore the use of the parent child relationship to prove eternal security falls flat.

In Luke 12 Jesus speaks of the BELIEVER recieving his portion with the UN-BELIEVER. And recieving a worse punishment because of the greater responsibility he had (having known his masters will and favour previously).
---Bruce5656 on 7/27/05


, god never abandons us, but some will abandon him, so it is ourselves who are to blame if we don't get into heaven.
---steve on 7/27/05


Eloy: How does one unadopt a parent?
---Madison on 7/27/05


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When you sin, you unadopt yourself from God, not God from you. God is perfect and above reproach, so you can't blame God for you leaving him and unadopting yourself.
---Eloy on 7/27/05


Because our Father is so gracious and merciful Our adoption is forever and onto eternity. Adoption is not temporary, HIS love is not based on emotion, life circumstances or our behaviour as was and still is between a natural father and child. Because God chose you to be His child, He will never "disinherit" you..Glorify Him in all you do. :-))
---Joy on 7/27/05


Now, what father "unadopts" his child because of sin? While earthly fathers may, our heavenly Father is faithful and just to forgive us all our sin, according to His righteousness. 1 John 1:9 and 2 Chronicles 7:14
---Tina5349 on 7/27/05


"I will never leave you or forsake you." (Hebrews 13:5)

Sin separates us from God. Sin moves "us" from God's presence just as Adam and Eve had to be moved out of the garden. God doesn't move. He's always there for us.
---DoryLory on 7/27/05


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