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What Was Adam And Eve's Sin

I have heard a different explanation about the garden of Eden and the fall of Adam and Eve. What was the sin of disobedience that they committed? Is there a parable in the story? What was this forbidden fruit?

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Hebrews 11:8: "By faith Abraham, ..., obeyed, and he went out, not knowing whither he went."
Obedience wrought by faith.
Romans 3:3: "... shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?"
Unbelief yielded disobedience.
Hebrews 3:12: "... an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God."
'Unbelief' to disobedience, as them of old did.
Hebrews 4:6_7: "..., and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time, as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts."
'Unbelief' causes HEARTEROSCLEROSIS!
---Nana on 4/28/09

Richard, the sin that Adam and Eve commited was disobedience. Unbelief did not come until after the fall.
Eve was tempted by the serpent (the devil) and she believed the devil had better intentions for her then God, but it wasn't sin until she disobeyed God. Adam as the representive of all mankind was not tempted ask Eve was and he listened to his wife and disobeyed. The covenant of obedience was given to both and they broke that covenant.
Obey, and have eternal life, disobey and death and separation from God would come to them.
---MarkV. on 4/27/09

Adam and Eve's sin was unbelief. Unbelief is the root of all sin.
If we don't believe that God will provide for us, we might steal.
If we don't believe that God will defend us, we might kill.
If we don't believe that God has provided us with the mate of His choice, we might commit adultery.

If Adam and Eve had believed God they wouldn't have sinned.

We sin because of our unbelief. True faith is simply trusting God regardless of the circumstances.
---RICHARD on 4/25/09

Great question. Here's something out of my biblical "opinion" file that may help.
Consider the commandment of God for Adam and wife not to eat(taste) in the same way you consider the Torah Laws.
BEFORE the Torah laws(Don't taste, Don't touch, Don't handle), God made a covenant with Abraham and offered him a covenant NAME and gave him a task to bless the nations. Abraham believed God, took the NAME and it was counted to him for righteousness.
In the parallel, God gave Adam a name and a task(be fruitful, multiply, subdue the earth) BEFORE He gave commandment not to eat.
Human inability to fulfill the LAW should always direct us to the NAME we were pre-ordained to be given by God(JESUS).
---Legends on 4/24/09

Sue, Romans 7:6-11 says it better.
"We are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held, that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
---Legends on 4/24/09

Sue, i once heard. God put the tree of knowledge there so that we could become like Him.
God knows the difference between good and evil, Adam did'nt. for Adam to become like God he needed to know the difference between good and evil. (this idea was put by a teacher upon the question if GOD FAILED when Adam fell). now when we repent we can truly become like God because as God we know the difference still we chose the good and righteous path.
---Andy on 4/24/09

Sue, what you ask is not wrong. God always has a purpose with everything He does. The unfolding story of Scripture is so that we can come to an understanding how God worked from the beginning, what happened, and why it happened. And through this story, He makes revelation known to us little by little what His plan was from the beginning, for our lives today and what our destiney will be if we are not like many He mentions and be like many He also mentions. Almost all of the New Testement is for teaching us how to conduct ourselves, to live a godly life and guidness so that we do not fall. And what we will have after we die. It is a lifelong study of God and we will never understand all of it, but enough is given to all of us to make it through.
---MarkV. on 4/24/09

I dont want to sound disrespectful and I'm sure this question was asked before, but WHY would God put something there and tell them not to touch it? As a test? To see if they'd eat it? Because it all seems very cruel and silly to me.
---sue on 4/23/09

Colin, you are suggesting, that we are to remember that God makes mistakes with your answer when you said," The "Tree of the knowledge of good and evil" served as a reminder that God had given mankind more than he needed." Could He possibly make mistakes? A Sovereign God? He gave them exactly what they needed. No more and no less. Did all He gave them serve its purpose? Yes. Everything that was ordained from the foundations of the world came to be. If they just happened without God knowing they would happen then God is not Omniscient, and He would be gaining knowledg through time.
---MarkV. on 4/23/09

He(God) does not interfere to the level you propose. We would be Robots.-TRAV

Making it clear regarding the level of "interference" I believe God is and always has been involved in:
-I totally agree that we are not robots but creatures who have free wills to choose.
-All choices have consequences.
-Our free will is to choose God's pre-ordained will or our own will.
-God is a rewarder, a repayer, JUDGE, outcome giver. He rewards whether we choose to speak or do good or EVIL.
-We are judged, repayed, for every idle word we speak.
-Adam FIRST ate a thought and offered his wife an INCOMPLETE name,WOMAN.
-He was rewarded for it.
-We LIVE and are COMPLETE in Jesus' NAME.
-LORD please INTERFERE with me!
---Legends on 4/22/09

-First and foremost, thank you so much for the critical feedback. It means a great deal to me... and you do it in a loving way that can be felt even over the internet.
-I'm always reviewing and refining all of my Biblical findings and beliefs. So bear with me on this one about Adam mis-identifying his wife(after eating a thought). It is a very recent change in my doctrinal beliefs(the last 6 months). Hopefully everyone reads their own Bibles and no one ever assumes that anyones' blog is God's 100% truth. That way when we are wrong in our beliefs(long held and recent), people aren't led astray.
Having said that, I will continue to pass along some of my recent findings for you and all who are willing to give your loving feedback.
---Legends on 4/16/09

.bruce, sometimes fact is stranger than fiction.
---Eloy on 4/16/09


Like I said: "Typos aside" (yours or mine), "this has to be one of the most bizarre things you have ever come up with. Oh wait, you only say what God tells you so it must be true right?"
---Bruce5656 on 4/16/09

.bruce, you typed: "Eloy,
... Jeremiah 30:29,30+ Ezekial 18:1-4.
Presumably you meant Jeremiah 31:29,30 and Ezekiel 19:1-4." Sometimes what I type is not exactly what is displayed, I noticed this because sometimes I copy and paste texts, and the texts that I paste do not always come out with the same characters I copy. BTW, the texts are Jeremiah 31:29,30 & Ezekiel 18:1-4- and Not, Ezekiel 19:1-4, as displayed in your posting.
---Eloy on 4/16/09

... Jeremiah 30:29,30+ Ezekial 18:1-4.

Presumably you meant Jeremiah 31:29,30 and Ezekiel 19:1-4.

Typos aside, this has to be one of the most bizarre things you have ever come up with. Oh wait, you only say what God tells you so it must be true right?
---Bruce5656 on 4/15/09

According to the scriptures, The first humans ate the red sour grape: Jeremiah 30:29,30+ Ezekial 18:1-4.
---Eloy on 4/15/09

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Legends .... !!!!

your questions are not difficult. The answer o all of them is HO, as it is to the two I asked.
---alan8566_of_UK on 4/14/09

Consider my point. Though Adam was given authority to name everything, all things were fore-ordained to be named according to pre-plan of God.
---Legends on 4/13/09

Well, one problem here cannot be overlooked.
GOD,creates, knows,intervenes,
helps or destroys. He does not interfere to the level you propose. We would be Robots. Which was not the plan. It was not a plan for Eve (woman) to eat and tempt Adam. It was a choice.
I do lovingly call my wife "woman" at times. Interesting. I also find foundationals like you are researching. "Erets", being one. Everyone here is scared to death of this one. Implications abound. You could be crucifed for looking at this at some point,b carefulllll.
---Trav on 4/14/09

Alan...of UK,
I have a blog question that's more difficult to figure out than yours.
Here it goes:
Was UK fore-ordained to be symbollic of The "United Kingdom" in a British dialect or...
The "University of Kentucky" in an American, Southern, Waffle House grits lovin' "Hick" dialect?
Me, being from the coal mined mountains of Harlan, Kentucky, I was itchin' to know. You know... puzzled! (:~o)
Blessing to you and yours!
---Legends on 4/14/09

Legends ... Presumably God fore-ordained all the names in allthe different languages, even those which are evolving now.
Did Adam give the animals names in all the languages?
Just puzzled
---alan8566_of_UK on 4/13/09

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"Adam was allowed to name everything. Wo-man came from him. Meaning was correct at the time. Not forseeing the eating of the fruit, he would not have named her Eve or considered it" -Trav
Consider my point. Though Adam was given authority to name everything, all things were fore-ordained to be named according to the pre-plan of God. The only way to accomplish this was by calling(naming) by faith, not by sight. Only could be done by tapping into Divine wisdom. Godly wisdom is always hindered by flesh and lust(fleshly desire). Godly wisdom forsees all things.
-By the way... If you and I begin to call our wives "WOMAN" every time we see them, you'd know that I'm on the right track in my doctrine.
Wanna Try?
---Legends on 4/13/09

The "Tree of the knowledge of good and evil" served as a reminder that God had given mankind more than he needed. The sin was indeed disobedience, but also great lack of appreciation. However, the greatest sin when they ate of it symolised that Adam and Eve rejected God's law and thereby put themselves on Satan's side, IE: Against God. The tree was not poisonous. Adam may have noticed animals eating, yet not dying. That same tree may still be with us today. The sin was the actual 'act' of eating from the tree.
---Colin on 4/13/09

Thanks again! Like you, I too am always looking for answers. It keeps me open to differing opinions. Guards me from a Know-it-all disposition which is never good to have.
To answer your question: My Biblical opinions(correct and incorrect) are formed much like yours are. They come from my studies of Old and New Testament comments made by the Prophets, Jesus and the apostles, and listening to observations of people like you(people with a point of view differing than mine).
Tradition says that disobedient eating from a physical tree defiled humanity. Jesus saw it a different way. He knew that men ate thoughts before they acted
---Legends on 4/12/09

-The pattern that God set forth for us is spelled out in His creation of man. God did NOT merely call mankind "man" (Hebrew: ish). God named him Adam which means "ruddy", a strong reference to "BLOOD".
"The LIFE of the flesh is in the BLOOD"
-While the rest of the world worships a being they know merely as "GOD", Abraham and his seed which includes us Christians were introduced to the many NAMES of God that taught us His CHARACTER and AUTHORITY.
-Adam, unlike the pattern God gave, merely named his wife woman(ishya=woman). Her foreordained name was Eve (Hebrew= "Lifegiver")
"The LIFE of the flesh is in the BLOOD"
---Legends on 4/12/09

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Abhij, you might be a descendant of an ape as you have suggested. For I don't know what you look like, but let me say, I am a descendant of Adam and Adam was not an ape, he was a hansome white latino, who spoke spanish, but also spoke in other tongues, English, just like me.
---MarkV. on 4/11/09

The story of Adam and Eve is a legend or epic.There exists no Adam and Eve in real history of the earth as we human beings are descendents of early ape menn cave men.But still the narration of Adam and eve in bible truthfully suggests us abut the result of being disobedient to almighties comand and listening to else(serpent) brings one's downfall from the father's love and care and the happiness they received earlier in garden of Eden.
---abhij5988 on 4/10/09

What do you think 'bout my conclusion that Adam Mis-identified Eve IDENTIFICATION Problems... or reading too much into this?
---Legends on 4/9/09

Don't know. Adam was allowed to name everything. Wo-man came from him. Meaning was correct at the time. Not forseeing the eating of the fruit.....he would not have named her Eve or considered it.

Many things going on here I'm still looking at occasionally. This whole fruit episode is marked by discovery of sexual knowledge and penalty's for. It may be possible the tree and fruit and serpent are allagorical.
I allow one possibility that there were other's..people who are at the core of story and fall of Adam Eve. More testimony for this than against. Always looking.
---Trav on 4/10/09

Legends, where do you come out with all that you wrote? you assume many things and many idea's. I believe the story is pretty simple. Adam was our representative, not Eve. God choice of Adam had to be a perfect choice for God to use Adam as our representative.
The Bible text has only one meaning, yet might have many applications. The meaning is the authors intended one, but the applications of that meaning may refer to situations which the author, in a different time and culture, never envisioned. Many of the same dynamics of Eve's temptation are often present in Satan's temptations on believers today.
---MarkV. on 4/10/09

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Thanks Trav! I will look at that passage again.
What do you think 'bout my conclusion that Adam Mis-identified his wife and Mis-Named her "Woman"(Hebrew: ishya) based purely on physical observation instead of naming her "Eve"(Hebrew: chav-vah) based on pure faith?
Immediately after Adam first named her(WOMAN) a serpent came offering fruit that should have been unacceptable to them(Striking resemblence to Cain's EVIL unaccepted offering?)
Immediately after Adam's "Mulligan", the second naming, blood of an acceptable animal was shed and the bloody hide became their covering.(Striking resemblence to Abel's GOOD offering)
Eve IDENTIFICATION Problems... or reading too much into this?
---Legends on 4/9/09

What Jesus didn't want any man to take and eat is "PRE-JUDGING" based on sight... aka prejudice. In other words, Don't eat a prejudice thought. ---Legends on 3/5/09

You may be trying to cover too much ground with your theory.
The fig tree is symbolic of a nation that should have bearing a pre-fruit and was not. The Northern house would fulfill as noted by prophets.

Your word pre-judice....means with out basis. If basis is given for ....then its not pre-judice. The basis here is there was no fruit. It is not a lesson on pre-judging.
---Trav on 4/7/09

They disobeyed the Lord by violating Genesis 2:16-17.

He disobeyed God, in Genesis 3:17, by obeying and subordinating himself to his wife, a violated of Gods' order. A few people believe that he violated Genesis 2:15 by not guarding the garden.

Genesis 3:16 demonstrates Gods disapproval of Eve's insubordination to her husband. She attempted to supplant both God and her husband in 3:1-6. She sinned by offering the fruit to her husband. Some people believe that she sinned by speaking to the serpent.

The fruit represents doing something that was contrary to Gods will, or sin.

Gen 3:1, 4-5 Satan lies and questions Gods character. 3:3 Eve adds "touch",

Revelations 22:21. -Glenn
---Glenn on 4/6/09

The first sin was this: Adam took and ate A THOUGHT presented to him by his WEAKER VESSEL(His MIND under the dominion of his five senses) The stronger vessel being his SPIRIT in sync with all of God's callings.
Adam's "little serpent" offered EVIL KNOWLEDGE to Adam's mind SAYING this voluptuous creature's name should merely be WOMB MAN. Adam took that thought and ate it. Then Adam OFFERED his wife the same thought(food) that he just ate by naming her "WOMAN".
This is why it is properly named "the tree of the KNOWLEDGE of good and evil" not "the tree of knowledge" as many improperly CALL it.
God confirms this way of understanding by renaming people in covenant throughout the Bible.
---Legends on 3/25/09

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Mankind's God-ordained job of NAMING, aka CALLING THINGS, is of utmost importance. To properly name something or someone we must be in sync with what God has pre-ordained that being or thing to be IDENTIFIED as when God laid out the foundation of the world. Calling or naming Adam's wife the name "WOMAN" leaves her in ignorance of her pre-ordained identification. Adam's "little serpent" (if you know what I mean) caused him to identify her WOMB MAN.
Same problem exists today in that most men only initially see and identify the physical attributes of women.
Naming her WOMAN instead of EVE is similar to saying, Jesus was merely a human prophet and not God the CREATOR.
---Legends on 3/25/09

In Romans 5, the apostle Paul states, "by Adam's disobedience, sin entered the world and we all became sinners."
The popular way of interpreting Genesis has Adam's wife clearly committing the first sin.
I propose that Adam sinned first by calling his wife's name WOMAN instead of EVE. "WOMAN" was an incomplete name given based on Adam's physical sight.
Eve (meaning: the mother of all living) is a name that had to be given by faith and not by sight. Cain and Abel were yet to be concieved.
Like men today, Adam was letting his "little serpent" do the talking.(see circumcism for Abram)
The serpent story we think was the first sin was merely a divine retribution... judgement manifested... payback!
---Legends on 3/5/09

When Jesus cursed the fig tree, he had presumed based on appearence(sight) that figs would be on the tree. It is silly to think that Jesus had something against that fig tree. What Jesus didn't want any man to take and eat is "PRE-JUDGING" based on sight... aka prejudice. In other words, Don't eat a prejudice thought. Prejudice all started by one man pre-judging his wife based on sight. Her God-given name before the foundation of the world was EVE. Men, we today must recognize that any lesser names hurled at "that WOMAN" is disrepectful and ungodly. We open ourselves up for other "serpents" to start speaking confusing things to our wives. Our wives are co-creators.
---Legends on 3/5/09


O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
(this is not for you, but for me)

Was the reason for the Cherubims and the Flaming Sword. So that sinful man would not live sinful eternally if he happen to eat from it.

Gen 2:17 for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
You did eat you must die. (but not here, you cant die here)

Are you saying the Tree of life is (symbolic of Christ return?) I would agree with you it symbolizes Christ in that He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.

symbolic of Christ return? Where did he go?
---TheSeg on 2/24/09

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Seg, I made a mistake by saying that I had answered Rev, Herb's question but it was not his question I answered but it was Bob's question I answered to. I went back and checked it and I didn't see anything that I did wrong, can you explain to me what it is you are talking about? You don't have to of course.
---MarkV. on 2/23/09

Seg, I have no idea what on earth you are talking about to me. I answered Rev. Herb and you put down a whole lot of words without context and no name at first, now you put my name for some reason. What is your purpose for answering to me? Do you have another answer to Rev. Herb? Was my answer bad and can you explain? I do not read minds Seg. You said,

"Mark, one more thing!

In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground, for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."

what does this have to do with the answers I gave.

---MarkV. on 2/23/09

Mark, one more thing!

In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground, for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

until the time you die. No more, No less!
His word not mine.
I know its hard for men to believe, his great love for you!
---TheSeg on 2/23/09

"I'm sorry alan it didn't post part 2,3,4,and 5 which explains that."-Angel_T. on 10/25/07

This is another example of what I am talking about. Angel T's post was censored and she was not allowed to explain herself or her position concerning her post. Yet rebukes are allowed without giving her the opportunity to clarify her position. This is sad in an open forum and something I am sure most of us have experienced, I have. We are here to share one with another and hopefully learn one from another. However, how is that possible if someone who obviously 'thinks' themselves to know truth and error, chooses whom they will post and whom they will not. Jesus is slandered, yet that is allowed. Moderator, what is the criteria?
---joseph on 2/22/09

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Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things:
But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.

Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you.

Does the lord my God change?

Gen 2:9 the tree of life also

Gen 2:16 Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

If god talks to me, is he talking to you?
---TheSeg on 2/21/09


If you re-read the account, Cain and Abel were both the result of Adam and Eve's procreation. As to Cain's offering:

Ge 4:6 And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

The first offering "hiding" sin was made by God, Himself, by shedding blood to make skins for Adam and Eve to cover their "nakedness": the first blood shed to cover sin which is a shadow and type to come -- Jesus' blood.

Cain knew what the offering was but chose to reject it: and he killed Abel out of wounded pride.
---BruceB on 2/21/09

Seg, as for your answer in Genesis, where you say, "Save for your return" Who's return are you speaking of? Man, Jesus? I thought the context from Genesis 3:22-24 was speaking of, "And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever" Was the reason for the Cherubims and the Flaming Sword. So that sinful man would not live sinful eternally if he happen to eat from it.
Are you saying the Tree of life is (symbolic of Christ return?) I would agree with you it symbolizes Christ in that He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.
---MarkV. on 2/21/09

MarkV: " is so much fun learning."

I agree. And to tell the truth, the debates that are often sparked on these blogs are also very fun and have challenged me on many occasions to dig into Scripture and learn all I can. I also appreciate the discussions I've had with you on some of these blogs.

"Do you know who M.S. Terry is?"

Unfortunately, no.

"Symbolic but pertaining to true accounts in Scripture."

Going back to the topic of the tree, it reminded me of the account in Luke where Jesus curses an actual fig tree (and it really withered) being a literal event with symbolic meaning.
---Bobby3 on 2/20/09

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Was guarded by cherubim to prevent them from eating the fruit, No!
Cherubim for a man? No, to prevent someone else!

So he drove out the man, and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life. (Safe for your return)

And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat. (A figure of Christ)

And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain. (The way)

Blessed is he that comes in the name of the lord.
---TheSeg on 2/20/09

Bobby, I competely agree with you on the tree of life. Symbolic but pertaining to true accounts in Scripture. I have been studying a few books, One by Alan Cole, one by Ramm, and one by Virkler. These books help in many passage through hermeneutics. But I looked for those passages in Genesis and did not find the answer in there. But your references are very sound. Do you know who M.S. Terry is? I heard through another brother he was very good and wanted to get some views from someone. Thank you brother, it is so much fun learning. If you got some more things to discuss, go for it. I am more then willing to do that with anyone.
---MarkV. on 2/20/09

MarkV: The tree of life, upon Adam and Eve's explusion from the garden, was guarded by cherubim to prevent them from eating the fruit. God reasoned that if they were to eat of the fruit, they would live forever. The 'life' the tree's fruit resulted in, I believe, would have been an eternal existence on earth uninterupted by physical death. This COULD be symbolic of the curse of death brought upon Adam and Eve due to their rebellion. In Revelation 22, the tree of life, which bears 12 kinds of fruit and has leaves to heal the nations, makes a reappearance. Again, the state of existence described in this chapter is an eternal physical existence on earth uninterupted by death (the way it originally was supposed to be).
---Bobby3 on 2/20/09

God gave Adam and Eve a test and they failed it. It was about fruit.
---Betty on 2/19/09

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what do you think about "the tree of life" do you think it just means eternal life? ---MarkV. on 2/19/09
Great question brother.

I studied on this and the lord showed me this
Isaiah 53:2
"For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness, and when we shall see him, [there is] no beauty that we should desire him."
Then he took me here.
Luke 5:39
"And no one after drinking old wine wants the new, for he says, 'The old is better.'

Some don't really see Jesus because from the outside it doesn't look beautiful or taste good.
Because it wasn't attractive, they didn't notice everlasting life standing right in front of them.
---miche3754 on 2/19/09

Mark V,blessing...
Eating from the Tree of Life gives life Eternal(In-Christ).
The devil couldn't eat from it.
It is for the overcomers.
...To him that overcometh...

He was already sentenced after his rebellion.

Gen3:22(shortened)...take also of the tree of life,and eat,and
live for ever.

Prior to Rev20:10
the devil was still at work...
false prophet
1Jn4:3 spirit of the anti-christ

Separation from Christ is death.

Study death/die/destroy...
this might help.
Gen2:17(shortened)...for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Gen2:17 strongs#4191

God's Peace.
---char on 2/19/09

Char, if Satan had eaten from the tree of life, I don't think it would have mattered because he is going to be living forever anyway in hell. Unless the tree of life, means eternal life with Christ and that could not be since we know he is going to hell forever, separated from Christ. Rev. 20:7-9, "And the devil was cast into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever"

Bobby, what do you think about "the tree of life" do you think it just means eternal life? or eternal life with Christ? Hey, anyone can answer.
---MarkV. on 2/19/09

MarkV: "Can you or anyone give a reason why..."

Allow me to weigh in on this: It is popularly believed that Satan in the garden either indwelt a serpent or else he somehow took on the physical form of one. I have heard about a third possibility that, at least to me, makes more sense. If you refer to Revelation, Satan is described as being a serpent and also a dragon. Is he/was he literally these things? No. Therefore, it is possible to take this description of Satan in Genesis as being a 'serpent' metaphorically, perhaps referring to him being a dangerous creature. If the above is the case, Satan could not have eaten the fruit, for he would lack physicality to do so. Just something to think about.
---Bobby3 on 2/19/09

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satan could not have eaten from the tree of life,He and SIN LIVING FOREVER,is not part of God's Plan.

And the Lord God said,behold,the man is become as ONE OF US,to KNOW good and evil,and now,LEST HE PUT FORTH HIS HAND,AND TAKE ALSO of the TREE OF LIFE,EAT,AND...(LIVE FOREVER),
JN3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son,that whososever Believeth in him should NOT PERISH,but have EVERLASTING LIFE.
The Tree of life & The bread of life...symbolic for the Son of God,the Christ, who alone GIVES EVERLASTING LIFE.

Rev2:7..."to him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life,which is in the midst of the Paradise of God".

---char on 2/17/09

Char, we know the curse came because of the disobedience of Adam and Eve. Eating from the tree of good and evil was only a restriction for Adam and Eve. It was not a restriction for Satan. He could have eaten from the tree of life also if he so wanted. Unless Satan couldn't eat. But I assume he could since he turned himself into a snake. He knew the trees were there and had all the time in the world to eat from the tree of life. Can you or anyone give a reason why those trees were not restricted to Satan? I would like to hear what some have to say. I know much won't be from Scripture but maybe a lot would and we can learn something today.
---MarkV. on 2/17/09

I humbly offer that the fruit was clearly named, "Knowledge of Good and Evil". We humans eat the "thought" before we eat the tangible "whatever" (i/e apple, grape, fig, humans.) The thought that Adam ate was "the disobedient thought that crossed his mind". This was exactly what the Bible says he ate..."good knowledge mixed/intertwined with evil" aka "knowledge of good and evil" Jesus was tested in the same way in the wilderness. Hunger caused Him to be tempted to get His wants and needs met by evil means...eating a disobedient thought! more...
---Legends on 2/16/09

We all are tested in the same way. Before we commit the act of adultery, we ingest the thought of lust. Before we commit the act of murder, we "eat" the thought of hatrid. Jesus told us that sin originates from consuming the thought. Don't confuse this with having the thought. "taking the thought" is the problem. Jesus said, "Don't take thought "saying" what shall we eat, what shall we we wear? When we judge things in our lives by sight instead of by faith, we err. Being hungry and naked is something that God is concerned about. He made promise to meet our needs if we trust Him.
---Legends on 2/17/09

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The tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil is in the center of the Garden.
Lucifer was the light bearer,he enchanted many angels to follow him in his rebellion:(Eze28:14)
And the great dragon was cast out,that old serpent,called the Devil,Satan,which decieveth the whole world...
...he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child...
FRUIT:can mean an action,or,result of an action.
Satans plan was to prevent the SEED OF THE WOMAN from producing the Messiah...
God did not need for men to be sinless to produce Messiah,Messiah would not be needed if there was no sin.
---char on 2/5/09

This is how I would answer the question above.

Romans 6:21-23
21What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. 22But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. 23For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord

We all died with Adam....SOOOO now, CHOOSE the FRUIT of Life In Christ.... and no, it's not an apple or red grapes,(I've never heard of a grape it a Hybred, ???
---kathr4453 on 2/5/09

*...but anyone who disagrees with him must be disagreeing with God himself, speaking lies and falsehoods - just ask him that too.

The problem with all too many on this forum! it is a lack of Christian love that we all too often accuse ohters of speaking lies and falsehoods.

And all too often people fail to realize that most areas of disagreement are usually on the non-essentials of the faith.

If the believer is in Christ, he or she is complete however, there is no requirement for one to hold all the truths of the faith in accordance to its complete understanding.
---lee1538 on 2/4/09


He can speak authoritatively and in great detail on many subjects about which the Bible gives few or no details (such as the species of fruit eaten in Eden, and Jesus's exact time and date of birth). He must have a direct pipeline to God that most Christians somehow lack.

Does he have Christ? Sure he does - just ask him, but anyone who disagrees with him must be disagreeing with God himself, speaking lies and falsehoods - just ask him that too.
---StrongAxe on 2/4/09

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The sin was Eve ate from the tree of knowladge after listening to the serpent. God had told Adam and her not to eat from it. That was a sin of disobedience.

No parable that I am aware of.

The Bible does not say what the furit was.
---Parris on 2/4/09


I agree with you, that probably is all sour grapes are good for.
---Laurie on 2/4/09

laurie - *You know, Jesus drank wine, and some people criticized Him for it,...

True and some denominations have ever since believed the wine Jesus drank was simply grape juice. In fact, they tell us that if you drink wine you become part of the alcoholism problem.

Sour grapes are not good for anything? Totally disagree as they can be used for pig feed.
---lee1538 on 2/4/09


You know, Jesus drank wine, and some people criticized Him for it, but He did not allow these unjustified accusations to pass unnoticed. He made wine for the wedding feast, had wine with His last meal, and made it part of communion. Sour grapes are not good for wine or anything else.
---Laurie on 2/4/09

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He also has the correct date and hour Jesus was born, and so many other things that really blow me away.
---MarkV. on 2/1/09

But does he have Christ? Facts don't save you! Jesus Saves! Even the most unlearned men can find salvation in Christ Jesus. AND don't let those who are spouting off these so called facts intimidate you into thinking God is impressed with it all. He's Not.

The only Wisdom God is impressed with is the wisdom we have IN CHRIST....the Wisdom to KNOW that whether apples or red grapes, that was never the point to begin with. Disobedience was.
---kathr4453 on 2/3/09

wine soaked brains often come up with ideas that cannnot be defended.
---lee1538 on 2/3/09

Strongaxe the first time I was in the Greek Islands, in the 1960's, I ordered a jug of wine and was concerned to see the bottom few cm's was thick with fruit fly. I asked the waiter to filter it and he did so with a less than clean handkerchief, from his pocket.

Later when I began to seriously read Scripture there it was -you strain gnts from your wine but swallow camels whole.

Such things bring Scripture alive.
---Warwick on 2/3/09


It's because a lot of people choke on apple seeds or grape seeds, yet swallow watermelons.
---StrongAxe on 2/2/09

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Warwick, you are correct. Whether it was apples or grapes, God didn't find it important for us to know. What does matter is that Adam did sin against God's direct orders or commands. The bigger problem is that it effected all of his desendants. A lot of things were not important for us to know, yet many things were that were mentioned.
Why I answered in the beginning was because Eloy came out and said they were "Red" grapes. And that was the first time I ever heard that. He even had the color. He also has the correct date and hour Jesus was born, and so many other things that really blow me away.
---MarkV. on 2/1/09

Does anyone think it is in any way important what fruit it was that Adam ate? Isn't the sin being that Adam disobeyed God? He was given a direct command but rejected God's authority simply beacuse Eve offered him this fruit.

That's what Scripture says.
---Warwick on 2/1/09

The sin committed was believing that they needed more than what God had provided for them. The forbidden fruit is to take something that is not yours. Every tree was given to them to enjoy but that one. That one belonged only to God. God didn't have a problem with the knowledge of good and evil...just not without Him because of the tendency of man to trust in his own works for relationship with God. The secret things belong to God. The things He reveals belong to them that are His. In time, I believe God would have revealed His secret counsel of the knowledge of good and evil through relationship, but not until man was so secure in his relationship with God that the temptation to trust in the good and evil was overcome.
---Linda on 1/31/09


Where do you get the idea that it was grapes, and where is this documented (since you say it is a "documented fact")? Certainly not in Genesis, which calls it the fruit of "the tree of knowledge of good and evil". Grapes don't grow on trees, they grow on vines.
---StrongAxe on 1/29/09

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Bobby, thank you for your response. I myself think the same thing. grapes of wrath did come to my mind. Sometimes the writers of Scripture give some detail on what they are saying and i was looking for the details since "Types" resemble in one or more ways the thing they prefigure, for example, bread and wine are symbols of Christ's body and blood. In the passages mentioned by Eloy, I looked to see if it was a type or symbol.
---MarkV. on 1/29/09

God told them not to do something. And if they did what would happen to them. It was a TEST. And man felled it. And guess what>>We have all fallen. Here comes Jesus.
---catherine on 1/28/09

MarkV: "Since we are not given an explanation, maybe because God didn't see fit to give us one, I was wondering what your take was on this fruit since it is not mentioned."

My take: Since the tree of knowledge no longer exists, its fruit no longer exists. Therefore, I don't believe the fruit Adam and Eve ate was any fruit known today.

"Do you think the sour grapes were a metaphor, to mean something else in the context of each passage in Jer. and in Eze.?"

Off the top of my head (for I don't have time right now to look it up), I can think of a correlation between sour grapes and grapes of wrath as described in Revelation. The metaphor of grapes/wine commonly symbolizes God's wrath/judgment.
---Bobby3 on 1/28/09

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