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Does God Really Exist

Does God exists? What if it is just history?

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God exists because no one can show real proof that he doesnt. Obviously this makes God existent.
---jcleary on 12/17/07

chryssy go to bed!

I'm a christian. R U? you don't act like it.
---Andrea on 8/24/07

Andrea, Mormon, Catholic, and now you were an Atheist, or all three?

"was an atheist - no one witnessed to me - I asked God - he revealed Himself and I knew I knew I knew. Whenever I have doubts I take it right back to God -
---Andrea on 8/22/07"
---Crystal on 8/23/07

I was an atheist - no one witnessed to me - I asked God - he revealed Himself and I knew I knew I knew. Whenever I have doubts I take it right back to God - here God I have doubts again - are you real and sure enough He reminds me - it is more then faith it is a relationship - two way communication but you have to talk and LISTEN! He's a great God.

Historically most ancient religions are gone - which one is growing? Christian and anti-christian.
---Andrea on 8/22/07

In the scale of evolved civilizations,I feel that human beings are only babies.Our views are totally inadequate when one looks at the complexity of the universe & indeed this planet.Our minds are too small to understand that 'GOD' if he or she should exist,is almost certainly like nothing described in the Biblical sense. There MUST be something or someone behind all existance. The fact that we have emotions and an imagination suggests something Divine. The answer lies within.
---chris on 8/22/07

You cannot see the wind, only its effects. The same is with God.
---Leslie on 12/31/06

Yes; God does exist for those who believe. But with your question, does he exist "for you?" Even if he doesn't now, he will one day and I hope it's not too late for you.
---Frank on 7/4/06

Everything in existence had to have an origin. If not the Father, what? Who? When, where and how? If any of these questions can be answered apart from the Father and His Word, please enlighten me.
---joseph on 7/3/06

Billy - You said that "evolution has to begin with something". Where does that something come from?
---Helen_5378 on 7/3/06

If God does not exist, then nothing else exists either, and that means you and me.
---Helen_5378 on 7/3/06

Ofcourse God exists. Euler proved it in 1748 when he discovered that e^(i*pi)+1=0. The formula which combines the 5 fundamental numbers in maths is so beautiful and elegant that it's mere existence proves God exists to have created it in the first place. How can an imaginary number combine with a real number to give nothing!? Unbelieivable.
---Pedram on 7/3/06

Listen to the song performed by Carmen, "There is a God" , then see what you think. He gives scientific proof in the song that there is a God! But you should go by faith.
---Pamelia on 8/30/05

There is a saying which goes; 'i would rather live my life as if there is a God only to find out there isn't than to live my life as if there is no God only to find out he is there' cast your doubts aside and take the road that will not lead you to despair. May he richly bless that you will confess his existence. God Bless.
---runya9977 on 8/5/05

Genesis tells us what tools God used when He created the world and the creatures in it. He spoke most of the world into existence but created man (and woman) in His image using His hands.
---Heather on 8/3/05

Billy ... your information is very interesting! Thanks for posting!

Alan ... the Bible tells us what tools God used to create the world. Genesis chapter 1 - "And God SAID ..." He spoke and it came to pass. His Word is what He used to create and it's His Word that is keeping it all together (Hebrews 1:3). Blessings! :)
---DoryLory on 8/3/05

Could you do that, even in 15 billion years? That would be to produce just one IC system, and there are millions of them. Nor can an IC system be modified from something else, because if it lacks any part it doesn't work at all. There's nothing for natural selection to begin to work on. There are many more examples, but I hope this has been enough to show why undirected evolution is impossible. Even some atheists agree with this, and if asked who the Director is, they just admit they don't know.
---Billy on 8/3/05

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The only way evolution can produce an irreducibly complex system is to do it all at once, by several simultaneous mutations. That very quickly becomes statistically impossible. Any system with more than roughly 10 parts, we can firmly rule out chance mutation as an explanation. The unlikelihood of such an event happening is so incredible that no one could believe it- rather like expecting to find one particular grain of sand with the whole Universe to search in.
---Billy on 8/3/05

Evolution works by means of accumulated small chages over time. It can't "foresee" the need for anything in the future. An irreducibly complex system cannot be produced by undirected evolution. A random mutation might produce one part of such a system, and another mutation might produce another part of the system, but there is still no function, and so on. Indeed, evolution would begin to work against such mutations in an animal, because they would be wasting energy better put to other uses.
---Billy on 8/3/05

Think of a common mouse trap. It has several parts, all of which are absolutely required for it to work. If you remove any part, you get nothing at all. Any irreducibly complex biological system is like that, except that it has hundreds or thousands of parts, each of which is absolutely necessary. This is crucially important in understanding evolution. Evolution has to begin with something, and it can only work by means of random mutations and survival of the fittest.
---Billy on 8/3/05

There was a time when I vigorously defended Darwin, until I encountered evidence that absolutely compelled me to change my mind. The evidence has to do with math and biochemistry, but I think I can explain some of it. There is a concept in biochemistry called an "irreducibly complex system". One real-life example is blood clotting. Such systems depend on several interlocking parts in order to function. Remove ANY part, and the entire system crashes, with complete loss of function.
---Billy on 8/3/05

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Evolution is not the same thing as whether God exists or not, but since you brought it up I can say that you're quite correct- God might have used it as a tool in His creation of the world. I think sometimes He did, because the evidence is good. I have no problem with evolution, PROVIDED God directed it. Random, undirected evolution cannot be responsible for all of life on earth, for purely scientific reasons that have nothing to do with religion. I say this as a trained biologist.
---Billy on 8/3/05

Alan, the reason they think their argument is not self-contradictory is because they haven't logically considered the matter with an open mind. They find the concept of God unbelievable and refuse even to consider it, so all they can do is insist that somehow their theory must be the correct one. Not because it's logical, but because it's the only thing left. But that's an emotional reason for belief, not a logical one, and therefore invalid. Voluntary inconsistency is both shameful and dishonest.
---Billy on 8/3/05

My belief is that God created the world, and us, but who knows what tools He used?
---Alan8869_of_UK on 8/3/05

To them their argumnet is not self contradictory. They will say the evolution is not random ... or rather that it is very random, that most of the developments do not work, but those very few that do work are those which perpetuate and change the species. So there are so many random trials that one here and there works.
There is a logic to that.
---Alan8869_of_UK on 8/3/05

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Alan, I did reread your post. I wasn't disputing that an evolutionist would use the opposite argument- I was trying to show how their argument is self-contradictory and therefore false. I was arguing from objective and provable logic, not from my own personal opinions. What I personally think (or even what they think) has absolutely nothing to do with it. Logic is either true or it isn't. If my logic had a hole in it, please point it out. But opinions are irrelevant. That's why it's proof.
---Billy on 8/2/05

Psalms 14:1, "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God."
Psalms 34:8, "O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him."
---Bruce5656 on 8/2/05

Yes it is proven that God exists. Miracles are one proof that God exists, and Jesus himself has visited me in person. We can also ask, Do you exist? What if you are just history? Likewise, he is just as real as you are.
---Eloy on 8/2/05

Only God can show a person he is real. I can tell someone all day long about God and they wouldn't have a clue until God showed them and they experience him themselves. It takes faith to believe in God. Faith is like electricty, you can't see it but you can see the light. Same with God. I know God exists because he has showed me in many ways. Sometimes one can't believe God because they don't understand faith. God has to show that he is real.
---Rebecca_D on 8/1/05

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I don't understand how anyone can ask that question. Look at all the wonderful life around you, think about all the things we deserve but are never struck with. What about the life you live, the air you breathe? Where else could all these things possibly come from?
---Heather on 8/1/05

Billy ... I did attend to your argument ... dare I ask you to read my response?
The fact that you disagree with what the evolutionist will argue does not mean that he will not argue that way.
---Alan8869_of_UK on 8/1/05

That's why we still need faith, Alan, because all the proof in the world is not going to convince anybody to believe a darned thing. If a group of atheists found themselves thrown literally into the Lake of Fire, how many of them do you think would keep on believing for all eternity that they're simply suffering from an incredible hallucination? All the proof imaginable wouldn't be sufficient to convince some of them otherwise.
---Billy on 8/1/05 is history ....HIS STORY :)
---lisa on 8/1/05

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I taught biology for years, and I know what I'm talking about. Unless you're a Subjectivist who thinks all truth is purely in the eye of the beholder, then you're forced either to believe in God or else to bury your head in the sand and ignore the matter altogether. You'd be shocked (or maybe not) at how many of that sort there are. Atheists are not immune to wishful thinking, I can assure you, and how many people have you known who believe only what they choose to believe, in spite of the facts?
---Billy on 8/1/05

Alan, you didn't attend properly to my argument. Random evolution is precisely the one thing that can NEVER, under any imaginable circumstances, produce rational thought. It can produce USEFUL thought, but that's not remotely the same thing. Do you not see that just because a thing is useful, it's not necessarily true? It might be very useful to tell someone a lie and have them believe it so they'll give you money, but that doesn't make the lie true.
---Billy on 8/1/05

Billy ... the atheist would use precisely the opposite argument ... that evolution and natural selection have produced our kind of brain.
Whatever we believe, we have no PROOF ... if we had proof, why would we need faith?
The proof is there for us, in the change in our hearts, and maybe others seeing our changed lives will see that as proof of the work of Jesus in us.
Others though will say we are changed because we are deluded into believing nonsense.
---Alan8869_of_UK on 8/1/05

You must be seeking him to be on ChristiaNet. Of course God exists. I think even you believe that. God has given a measure of faith to every man. God, is history, and today, and the future. He is the beginning and the end. Keep reading and enjoy learning.
---linda3939 on 8/1/05

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(2) and you have absolutely no guarantee that this has anything to do with reality or logic. It might or might not. Sights, sounds, etc. could all just be random illusions produced by your brain. Unless God designed your brain, you can't even trust your own thoughts to be rational. So you have to believe in Him first or you can't logically believe in anything at all. This is a logical proof which is absolutely solid and impossible to argue with. There are others, too.
---Billy on 8/1/05

There are several hard, purely logical proofs that God exists, but they're lengthy. I can try to explain the simplest one, if you like. If God doesn't exist, then everything in the universe had to come into existence by random accident instead of being purposely designed (since there would be no Designer, obviously) If that were true, then nobody designed your brain. What you call your thoughts are simply sensations you have when the atoms inside your skull happen to line up in a particular way,
---Billy on 8/1/05

Yes, God does exist. God is creator and sustainer of life, therefore is the maker of history.
---barbara67 on 8/1/05

Why don't you ask God? (John 1:1-34)
---Leon on 8/1/05

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Are you for real? How can you look at your body and how simple, yet complicated and insinc everything is around you. The whole solar system is so insinc that if it altered one inch, everything would be in chaos. If you ever get saved, you will know it because you will feel God's arms around you at times. another question. Why take a chance?????
---shira_5965 on 8/1/05

Would you rather, 1. go through life acting that there is a God, then when you die find out there isn't a God, or 2. Go through life thinking there is no God and finding out when you die that there is a God? I personally would rather trust and believe God is real, and that his word is true. Christ died for my sins, and given me the free gift of eternal life. Then sealed me with the Holy Ghost until the day he Redeems me. Choice is yours.
---geraa7578 on 8/1/05

Look around you....who do you think created the beauty of this world? I look out at the majestic Rockies every day and look at all of creation and look at the many races and colors of people and I know beyond the shadow of a doubt that God exists! I have a large rock/mineral collection and often I look at the specimens and say YES...GOD EXISTS! Never doubt for a minute that He is alive and well my friend!
---fran6775 on 8/1/05

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