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Did Jesus Come In The Fresh

In the KJV 1 Jhn 4:3 It reads: And every spirit that confesseth NOT that Jesus Christ IS come in the FLESH is not of God. Also in 2 Jhn 1:7: For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess NOT that Jesus Christ IS come in the FLESH! Where IS Jesus today in the FLESH?

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Ruben did Christ, God in the Flesh, born of Mary, walk this earth, crucified and risen again, teach and heal and pay for mankind's salvation come in the Flesh?
Do YOU believe this?
It matters not where He is at today but He is at the right hand of the Father making intercession for us, Heb 7:24-25, 9:24, Rom 8:34.
Where is Jesus in the flesh today? The above Scripture tells us.
I hope you know these things and are just asking to start a conversation.
---Elder on 2/14/08


I believe that Jesus died on the cross, was buried, and rose again on the third day. 1Corinthisans 15:3,4
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life
We have the Lord's supper as a remembrance of Jesus and his death, burial, and resurection. It is a memorial service to remember what Jesus did for us. The work on the cross is complete (finished). 1Corinthians 11:24,25
---Ulrika on 9/29/05


The FIRST communion was in Exodus 12. The flesh was for strength, the blood for protection. The sacrifices under the Law were to that memorial... the day of atonement. Jesus also died on that Passover day (atonement). He spoke to the people and referenced things they could relate to in order to get them to understand Spiritual things... He died in the flesh, spilled real blood, and if you can't believe that... you cannot be saved.
---David on 9/28/05


NO THANKS. I have no interest in a being Catholic. I only asked a question.
---Ulrika on 9/28/05


Moderator - Ruben, Jesus died on the cross not the first communion.(ok) Do you really believe Jesus ate himself and the other apostles started eating Him alive and killed Him at the first communion versus the cross? (Never said that).

Moderator - You did imply that because you said the bread and wine are Jesus in the physical not symbolic of Him. It's called a symantic game. Do you have any idea how anti-christ the idea is that a Priest resacrifices Jesus weekly at Mass is? Satan would love to kill Christ each week and act like he has control over Christ, however Christ already won that battle at the cross.
---ruben on 9/28/05




Ulrika-(Ruben, What does flesh and blood taste like?) Become a Catholic and you will find out! In John 6:51- Jesus says that the BREAD which he will give to the world is his FLESH. So ,when did he do that? On the cross? Was that SYMBOLIC! If eating his FLESH and DRINK his BLOOD is SYMOBLIC, then his death on the cross is SYMBOLIC.

Moderator - Ruben, Jesus died on the cross not the first communion. Do you really believe Jesus ate himself and the other apostles started eating Him alive and killed Him at the first communion versus the cross? Please answer this question if you want to be posted again to this question.
---ruben on 9/28/05


Ruben, What does flesh and blood taste like?
---Ulrika on 9/28/05


Thirty five years ago, I said in writing "Ia m aged 30"
Would you say that now I am still aged 30.
Jesus said "This is (meaning reepresents) my body ..."
That was then ... not now
Now, the bread and wine are remembrances
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/28/05


John 16:28 I come forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 11 ... this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as you have seen him go into heaven.
---Ulrika on 9/28/05


Elder-past tense things...IS a PRESENT TENSE!!!
---ruben on 9/27/05




Ruben the verses you are trying to prove your point with speak of past tense things.
You trying to make a wafer and juice flesh and blood is not valid according to Scripture.
Did Jesus come in the Flesh? You bet your next Mass He did.
A spirit that cannot confess that is the spirit of antichrist.
---Elder on 9/23/05


In His Body.
---Linda_Smith on 9/23/05


Jeffrey-( The words in the Word are perfect in the original Greek and Hebrew.)Ok agree, but would you like to response, Tommy did not or would not! In John 6:51 Jesus says that the BREAD which he will give for the life of the world is his FLESH. When did he give his FLESH for the life of the world? ON THE CROSS! Was that SYMBOLIC? If eating his flesh is SYMBOLIC than dying on the cross is also SYMBOLIC! Remember GOD word is PERFECT!
---ruben on 8/16/05


Ruben, you said, "Those who knew what i was trying to write understood I guess."

Excuse me? You're talking about the Word of God! God is perfect! His Word is perfect! The words in the Word are perfect in the original Greek and Hebrew.

Jesus had to use the Word perfectly to counter the devil in Matt 4:6-7 or the devil would have won!

If your bank was as sloppy with your account as you are with the Word, you'd sue! Isn't God's Word more important than a bank account?
---Jeffrey on 8/10/05


The KJV New Testament was translated in 1611 from the Stephen's Greek text, which was compiled in 1550. Today, we have Greek manuscripts of parts of the NT that were copied in the fourth century, long before English even existed.

When the 400 year old KJV New Testament, which was translated from Greek and revised, differs from the 1700 year old Greek manuscripts which were copied only, it's because the translators made an error.

Ruben, your arguement for the word "is" is invalid.
---Jeffrey on 8/10/05


Jeff, this is Ruben you speaking about. He is one Texan with a lot of verses. I don't have a starting place. If we could go one subject at a time I could answer but he gets many verses and put them together I don't know where to begin. Praise God he is still reading what others write and maybe one day he will have a question on one thing and from there he will find the truth.
---lupe2618 on 8/9/05


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3. What you are doing is getting scriptures and making them say what you want them to say but that is not what God meant by those verses. It has one intrinsic meaning. It might have many applications but one meaning only. The J.Witnesses started because Charlies Russell did not believe that Jesus came back in the flesh. He changed the meaning himself and started a new religion.
---lupe2618 on 8/9/05


2. Ruben in your statement on another answer you mentioned that Mary, was in Revelations. I believe chapter 12, but Ideas conveyed in symbolic language "Like, allegorical and apocalyptic literature also have historical referents." Thus the women in Revelations 12:1, signify's the nation of Israel, with the twelve stars representing the twelve tribes, the moon the Old Testament revelation, and the sun the light of New Testament revelation.
---lupe2618 on 8/9/05


Ruben, I did know what you were talking about on the verses in Luke and Matthew but wasn't really sure if you had the same Bible and were serious that those verses were there or not. Wow, you had me going there Ruben. What I asked was, how do you get the blood and flesh mixed up with the Lamb in Revelations? I don't see how you come up with all this stuff. You said the Bible but I have six Bibles and also one of the Catholics and I cannot find how you connected the verses.
---lupe2618 on 8/9/05


Lupe-(How do you come out with all this stuff Ruben?) A BOOK call a BIBLE.
---ruben on 8/9/05


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Go get em Lupe. You are the one to confound this false teaching of the catholic RELIGION.
That's it. ruben is very RELIGIOUS.
---Jeff on 8/8/05


Everything that Jesus spoke of is in parables. Jn 6:33-35 is talking about Jesus being the bread of life. 1 cor 10:17. It is symbolical.
---Rebecca_D on 8/8/05


Carrie-(" which is why the others didn't recognise Him at first. But on this verse it was until he broke bread with them were they able to see. Why?
---ruben on 8/8/05


Tommy- In John 6;51 Jesus says that the BREAD which He will give for the life of the world is His FLESH. When did He give His FLESH for the life of the world? ON THE CROSS! Was that SYMBOLIC? If eating his His FLESH and DRINKING His blood is symbolic, then dying on the cros is also SYMBOLIC!
---ruben on 8/8/05


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Tommy I do not know about you, If Jesus himself said THIS IS MY BODY and MY FLESH IS FOOD INDEED, I am going to beleive Jesus. Besides how do you explained a virgin birth concevied by the Holy Spirit, Incarnation and the Resurrection! I do not want to be like some of the disciples who walk away from this believe or like Thomas who Jesus told him did you believe only because you saw!!Cont
---ruben on 8/8/05


Lupe- In Matt 26;26-28, sorry about that!In luke 24: 19-20 again sorry ! Those who knew what i was trying to write understood I guess. Passover meal and last supper plus a LAMB being slain, figure it out. About Thomas I do not understand what you are saying.
---ruben on 8/8/05


Ruben, I hate to interrup your preaching, but there is no Luke 30:31, Luke only has 24 chapters, unless you have a different Bible, and Matthew 22:19 is not speaking for the bread and the wine, but Jesus is speaking to the Pharisees about giving to Caesar what belongs to Caesar. In Revelations how in the world did you connect flesh eating and the Lamb slain? How do you come out with all this stuff Ruben?
---lupe2618 on 8/8/05


Reuben, don't you remember in talking to Thomas and the other disciples, Jesus said: "Look at my hands and my feet, and see that it is I myself. Feel me, and you will know, for a ghost doesnt have flesh and bones, as you can see I have. Jesus ascended into heaven just as He was ressurected from Death. However, some say that this was in His "glorified body," which is why the others didn't recognise Him at first.
---carrie on 8/8/05


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Ruben, I'll answer your question with a question. IF, as you say, the catholic church's interpretation of these passages is correct, did the disciples actually "eat" Jesus' flesh and "drink" His "blood" at that last supper, or was it only a figurative act? We partake of the "body" and "blood" of Jesus Christ by living lives obedient to Him and His teachings, not by traditions of men.
---tommy3007 on 8/8/05


Finally- In Rev 5:6 " Then I saw standing in the MIDST of the throne and the four living creatures and the elders a LAMB that seemed to have been slain(EUCHARIST). Why at the Heavenly Worship a LAMB like been slain? Why not believe Jesus himself when he said "MY FLESH IS REAL FOOD INDEED?
---ruben on 8/8/05


Cont In Matthew 22:19-" This is my body which will be given for you; do this in memory of me. Why not This is like my body? In Luke 30-31: "While he was with them at table, He took bread, said his blessing,broke it, and gave it to them.With that their EYES were opened and they recognized him. Why only when he said 'This is my Body" did the eyes opened?
---ruben on 8/8/05


Cont- In John 6:55-"For my FLESH is TRUE FOOD, and My blood is true DRINK. In fact this is the only time that scriptures tells us that some of his disciples left him because they did not believe his teaching! Paul tell us in 1 Cor 11:29 For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the BODY, eats and drinks judgment on himself." Why judgment on ourself if the body is just a SYMBOL? Why leave him if he was not talking about his real flesh?
---ruben on 8/7/05


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Hi everyone-Bob I did not mock anyone,barbara thank you for your prayers. Bruce of course their are christian outside the catholic church, and Rev Herb never mind! Jeffery you can quote all you want about a greek word not being is come but the KJV the bible you have has "is come in the flesh" which is present tense. The reason I post this question is alot of you do not take Jesus words as what he said " This is my body" CONT
---ruben on 8/7/05


You are in my prayers Ruben. As an ex RC I KNOW the deceit that is taught in the Catholic church.
---NVBarbara on 8/7/05


So, Ruben, for the rest of us here that do not believe in transsubstantion, the mass, and all that that entails, You are saying that we don't believe that Jesus is (now) come in the flesh? Therefore, none of us are Christians?
---Bruce5656 on 8/7/05


My son asked a Mason to confess that Jesus is come in the flesh. He shook, folded his arms and said "I will not even dignify you with and answer. Proof The spirit of anti-christ cannot confess Jesus is come in the flesh.
---Rev_Herb on 8/7/05


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Ruben, I didn't realize that you asked your question, not because you want to know the answer, but because you want to teach Roman Catholic doctrine and tell us that Christ isn't in our churches. I'm sorry I answered your question.

But to clarify for everyone else on this forum, in the original Greek text, 1 John 4:3 does not contain the words "Christ is come in the flesh". Also, the words "is come" in 2 John 7 are the one word "coming" in the original.
---Jeffrey on 8/7/05


hey ruben, I don't like the idea of you mocking others. That isn't Christ-like.
---Bob on 8/7/05


Sue and John,

Rather than merely saying "You are wrong" it might be helpful if you would show from scripture how this teaching is "wrong".
---etenia on 8/7/05


john- Are you playing GOD, how do you know my soul and where it stands with God! Jesus himself said in Jhn 6:54 " Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. For my flesh is TRUE FOOD, and my blood is TRUE DRINK. Then again he said "This is my body and this is my blood."
---ruben on 8/7/05


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Ruben, We don't appreciate your trickery. You are so very wrong! You just use scripture to your Catholic teaching.
---Sue on 8/7/05


ruben, I came in defense of the catholic church only once since I got saved and that was the other day on this blog. While there are some saved in that church, I believe that most aren't. We as believers don't recognize the eucharist. The catholic church has a whole different meaning concerning communion. Too lenghty to explain here. You are the one who has it wrong. By your comments, I doubt very much that you are saved.
---John on 8/7/05


Jeff-( While on earth Jesus had flesh. Now He is Spirit with God in Heaven.Jeff where are you learning the bible from? In Acts chapter 1:11 says " This Jesus who has been taken up from you into heaven WILL RETURN in the same way as you have seen him going to heaven! Remember he ate with them and Thomas touch his hands and side!
---ruben on 8/7/05


Jesus is alive in the hearts of His people.Jesus,and the Father are in peoples hearts and the Holy Ghost comes to fill the Temple of our bodies.Where Jesus was alive as a man before He now lives in the Fleshly Temple/body of all those who accept Christ as Lord and Savior.Instead of one Man body He now has many people who make up the one Body where He dwells,His Church.
---Darlene_1 on 8/7/05


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Jeffrey-( "is come" is old English for "has come.") So when Jesus said This IS my body and This IS my blood. He really meant This has come my body!!Paul talk abou it in 1 Cor Chapter 11;23-26.In fact you goes on and said v27:"Therefore whoevers eats the bread or drinks the cup of the LORD UNWORTHILY will to answer for the body and blood of the lord."
---ruben on 8/7/05


Hello everyone, these verse are talking about present tense not past event, in the Catholic Church he is present in the EUCHARIST. Again where is he PRESENT in your Church? The word IS is the key word in these two verses, read them again slowly!!!
---ruben on 8/7/05


Read the word, Jesus was taken up to heaven bodily. There's no mention of Jesus leaving his body, or a burial which surely would have occured and been documented by the apostles. It was documented that he was raised from the grave bodily. John 20:17, 20:27


The Lord and the Apostle Paul both spoke of a physical resurrection. John 5:29
1 Corinthians 15:52
---Pharisee on 8/7/05


Ruben, "is come" is old English for "has come."

The Greek-English interlinear states that 5 of the 7 critical Greek texts omit the words "Christ is come in the flesh" in 1 John 4:3. All 7 say "do not confess Jesus Christ coming in flesh" in 2 John 7.

He came in the flesh. He's alive today in the flesh. He's coming back in the flesh.

He ascended into heaven. Is that space? Is that the upper atmosphere? I don't know, but he's not on earth.
---Jeffrey on 8/7/05


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Jeff, God raised Jesus from the dead physically. The tomb was empty! His disciples saw him after his resurrection in his body. He had flesh and bones. He even told Thomas to touch his wounds. And he didn't leave his body behind when he ascended into heaven.

Check out Phil 3:21, 1 John 3:2, and 1 Cor 15:44. You might want to study all the verses about Jesus Christ's body in their context so you can get the whole picture.
---Jeffrey on 8/7/05


Jesus Christ abides within every true born-again Christian. Jesus said, "At that day you all will know that I am in my Father, and you all in me, and I in you. Jesus answered and said to him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come to him, and make our abode with him." John 14:20,23.
---Eloy on 8/7/05


Jesus IS here....in those of us who believe in Him and have the baptism of the Holy Spirit power which He gives to all who claim Him as their Lord and Savior. That is why He came....to die....for all of us! Those who have had this experience have the responsibility to share Jesus with others. Indeed we are challenged to become His living love letters "in the flesh". Wonderful question!!!
---Elsie on 8/7/05


Ruben. Jesus came in the flesh already. In 1 Corinthians 15:50 The Bible says that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. While on earth Jesus had flesh. Now He is Spirit with God in Heaven.
---Jeff on 8/6/05


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Ruben, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John1:1 KJV

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,(and we beheld his glory, the glory as the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John1:14 KJV

Jesus is the Word. He came and will come again.

You ask, where is Jesus today in the flesh?
While we are not actually Jesus Himself, we are. As believers, we are the body of Christ in His rightousness.
---John on 8/6/05


I believe Jesus Christ came in the flesh. Just take a look at the census records of Judea about the time Jesus was 8, that's when Mary and Joseph took him there to be registered in the census, but if youall want proof, look inside yourself. He speaks in your voice!
---gregg8944 on 8/6/05


Some people believe that Jesus didn't come in the flesh at all. And when Jesus does come back they (some people) believe that Jesus is coming as a baby, being born of a virgin. In other words they are looking for a baby to come back. I don't know how or why some believe this. But the bible says if they don't believe he has come in the flesh are none of Gods. That I do understand.
---Rebecca_D on 8/6/05


He is at the right hand of God. He was flesh when He was on this earth, and that is what the scriptures tell you to testify to...if you do not say that Christ was here in the flesh, then you are not of God. But now He is with His Father, waiting for the time to call His church to be with Him.
---Ann5758 on 8/6/05


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