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Jesus Three Days After His Death

Where did Jesus go in the three days after His death and before His resurrection?

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He was in the heart of the earth to retrieve the keys of death & hell.
---Lawrence on 8/5/10


You are entitled to your opinion, but with the "today" where it is believed to be placed, it has an even bigger hole in it. If his agony had Him so messed up he couldn't think it was "today", it isn't likely his thoughts were clear enough to tell the thief "Today thou shalt be with me." Same hole, just bigger problem proving the three days and three nights. Not worth arguing over though. The point is that the thief saw something no one else did. Blessings!
---Linda on 7/6/10


If Jesus meant "Surely I say unto you today, "Thou shalt be with me in paradise."
Why would He say that? It was pretty obvious to everyone around that He was saying it today. No need to use the word at all if that's what He meant.
No, He must have meant ...'Surely I say unto you "today Thou shalt be with me in paradise." '
---alan8566_of_uk on 7/6/10


Linda I am sorry but your argument has a hole in it "Surely I say unto you today,"...the word "today" as used in that context is completely out of place and charecter for for men caught up in the agonies of rapidly approaching death!
---richard on 7/6/10


Paradise contains the tree of life in Genesis and Revelation...Paul said he knew of someone called up to the "third heaven" then calls that place paradise...there is nowhere in scripture that paradise is reffered to as "the upper reaches of Sheoul"...What is more Jesus did not die spiritually.
---richard on 7/6/10




Surely I say unto you today, "Thou shalt be with me in paradise." A misplaced comma can make the biggest difference in the world.
---Linda on 7/2/10


"Today (Present tense) you will be with me in paradise" (Luke 23:43). Yet for the three days before the resurrection, Jesus was suppose to be in Hell? In Matthew 12:40 Jesus said, "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly, so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." These seam kind of contradictory. I am a true believer. This is our "homework" in our Young Adult class. I was hoping you could help me out.
---Kennith_Hillis on 7/2/10


It is thought that this is when Jesus desended into hell to preach to the dead. The dead, in this case, was probably those who had died from Adam to Moses. The reason for this idea is because the people who lived from Adam to Moses didn't have either the Law or Grace to guide them. But, this is speculation, there is no Biblical evidence to back this up. (We know He descended into Hell, but we aren't sure who He spoke to.)
---Ray on 4/4/07


1st cliff, your right about it being impossible from Friday, but who said that the crucifixion was on Friday?
As I understand it, the arrest was on Tuesday night, trial and execution on Wednesday. If you then count the days, Wed-Thu 1 day, Thu-Fri 2 days, Fri-Sat 3 days, it works out.
Not sure when Friday was chosen, but it was later then the early church.
---mike6553 on 12/19/05


Lorene, the 3 nights and 3 days did begin Thursday night after 6:00 p.m., which was the Feast of Unleavened Bread, called the Passover, which was the Lord's Last Supper, and then he was arrested. Jesus called it the hour of judgment of this world, and the power of darkness. Please read Luke 22:53; John 12:23-33. And Jesus arose early Sunday morning, so the total does equal 3 nights and 3 days.
---Eloy on 12/19/05




In Matthew 12:40 Jesus said, "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." So since Jesus said it there must be an explanation for it. He must have been in hell from Thurs. evening until Sun. morning.
---Rickey on 12/18/05


No one can get 3 days and 3 nights from Christ being crucified at 3:p.m. on Friday and being raised at Dawn on Sunday.. it mathmatically does not add up.It doesn't even add up when we say 3 days and 3 nights,excluding the time of day,does it?
---Lorene on 12/18/05


Rick; There's too much assumption in your argument IE 1jn 5.7 'the are 3 that bear record in heaven (3 what? Gods?)) and these 3 are 1 (1 What?) Jn.1.1 "in the beginning was the Logos and the Logos was with hoTheos and the Logos was theos." Can you tell the difference? Let me spell out jn 8 27 "They did not understand that he was telling them about his Father.
---1st_cliff on 8/15/05


John 1:1 - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

John 1:14 - "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us..."

I John 5:7 - "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost; and these three are one."
---Rick on 8/15/05


Cliff, I don't see what you're talking about at John 8:23. Pierre, Luke chapter 16 is the clearest reference to this. Also Eph. chapter 4.
---Rick on 8/15/05


Rick
Just reviewed the meaning of HADES looking for ma def. which would match your 2 zone version which you blogged about on 8/9 I think but no luck: Results: STATE or place of the dead
go down to grave/hades = same, thing
receptical of the departed,
to be brought down to hades/lowest debasement = same thing
most associated with doom/misery of lost,
Nothing about PEACE/COMFORT!
---Pierr7958 on 8/14/05


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Rick: It was too early! My question was about HADES. Where does it say in the Bible that there are 2 zones: 1 relief/peace + 2 torment/pain as you said back some time ago.
Also you say "eternal life" starts at 1st resurrection for the saints. What about the lost, what is their end and when? (Bible based).
---Pierr7958 on 8/14/05


Rick; Your reference to Jn.8.23 was incorrect. Jesus was not referring to himself (ego eimi) because vs 27 says he was referring to his Father!
---1st_cliff on 8/14/05


Unsaved are not bodily resurrected until the end of the millenium. They are in Hades until death and Hell (Hades) is cast into the Lake of Fire.

You could compare Hades to the county jail, The Lake of Fire as the final prison.
---Rick on 8/14/05


Pierre, the soul is eternal. At the time of "Born again" experience eternal life begins. The body takes on immortality at the first resurrection.

I'm not sure what you are talking about with Paradise and Eden having two compartments. Hades contained two compartments. Eden has no association to these.
---Rick on 8/14/05


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Rick: cont
Comment:NO REF to 2 zoned Par/Ed.
Where did you get your idea from?
Suggest.: Par/Eden, not in heaven+will be recreated ON EARTH after millenium and final destruction of the wicked. So since IN FUT= no Jesus going there early.
What's your response?
Finally, You believe that the "soul" is immortal. Right?
Q. How + when is an unrepentant "soul" going to receive his/her wage = DEATH, if he/she is immortal ? Thanks, Pierre
---Pierr7958 on 8/14/05


Rick: Haooy, I did not offend you. I did not mean to.
Your question. MT 12:40 3 days + 3 nights!
It must be too early but I don't get it!
Also:Looked in several Bible dictionaries for a definition for Paradise/Eden indicating it's being made of 2 zones: comfort and torment. Result: several did not even define either term but other said:
persan origin 'an orchard of pleasure and fruits'- 'garden'-'pleasent ground'
FIG: celestial dwelling of the righteous,
'garden-heaven of the just' TBC
---Pierr7958 on 8/14/05


Pierre, humor can be a good thing sometimes. I wasn't offended.
---Rick on 8/14/05


Pierre, Cliff & Co., As far as Adam and Eve are concerned. I used to believe exactly the same thing. But before you jump quickly to conclusions,ask yourself just two questions:

Was Jonah in the belly of the great fish 3,000 years? Was Jesus in the tomb (since I know you don't believe he went to Paradise) for 3,000 years?

Just a little something to think about.
---Rick on 8/13/05


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Cliff, all kidding aside, you're not serious about rejecting the deity of Christ are you? Please tell me you're kidding.

John 8:24: "I (Jesus) said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM (ego eimi), ye shall die in your sins (Second Death).

Compare Exodus 3:14
---Rick on 8/13/05


Cliff, you asked me earlier how dark will it be in the Lake of Fire? I was going to answer this seriously. But in light of Pierre's humor, I'm entitled to one cheap shot to even the score.

Why don't you send me an e-mail when you get there and let me know?
---Rick on 8/13/05


Rick: "emarassed cont.
and check it out AND TO CALL ME if they became thirsty and I WOULD BRING COMFORT + RELIEF etc. Looking back I CAN'T BELIEVE I TYPED THAT NOT FUNNY + CONTRADICTORY BLOG! To all of you I AM VERY SORRY! pierre
---Pierr7958 on 8/13/05


Rick:
I was going to bed tonight, rethinking my dialogue with you, when suddenly it hit me hard! What hit me so hard and made me feel utter embarassed?
It is the fact that I tried to be funny when I invted those who do not agree with me that there are not 2 zones in Hades and that there will be NO COMFORT in HADES and NO COMMUNICATION between HEAVEN and HADES to go there and TBC
---Pierr7958 on 8/13/05


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Rick; Did you not read that a day with the Lord is as a 1,000yrs? Adam lived 930yrs "then" he died according to Gen.5.5. JWs are not the only ones who believe that Jesus is the "Son" of God and not God Himself! When He asked His diciples who they say He is they all answered "Son of the living God" not one said "you are God"! He said "My Father is Greater than I" and I believe Him. dont you?
---1st_cliff on 8/12/05


Rick & Co.
Somewhere down this blog you def. Sheol/Hades as having 2 compartments: place of torment + place of comfort!
Let me say it as kindly as possibe:
NO comfort possible for
those who end up in hell!
There is/will not be communication between heaven and hell!
If you don't blieve me, I'll let you go to hell and when you get thirsty call me and I will supply you with a truck of "Heaven's best frosty Root Beer"! My number up there: 1-800 171-468 !
---Pierr7958 on 8/12/05


Rick: Adam/Eve>death
Allow me to comment. For God's promise to be fulfilled A+E and nature did not have to die instantly! They and nature were dying even so!
---Pierr7958 on 8/12/05


Cliff, Adam and Eve did not die physically that day. Yet God kept his promise. They died spiritually. They were now out of fellowship with God. Today, all humans are born spiritually dead. That's why we must be born again from above.
---Rick on 8/12/05


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Obviously, we know that Jesus died. But this death was in His body. While His body was in the ground He descended into Paradise. Three days later He bodily rose from the dead. See Eph. chapter 4.
---Rick on 8/12/05


Cliff, Jesus is God. I Tim. 4:17 says that He is immortal. To deny this is to take the position of the Watchtower Society. Something I don't believe that you're willing to do. Are you?

"Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever, Amen."
---Rick on 8/12/05


Sorry if this was already answered, but if Jesus did not go to heaven on the day he died, why did he tell the criminal that he would see him today in heaven?
thank you,
sue
---sue on 8/12/05


Rick; athe problem is not so much quibbling over a comma, but if you take it to mean "that" day it gives rise to the lie that Jesus didn't realy die. As satan said to Eve "you will not surely die! Giving the illusion that we have an "immortal soul" which the scriptures do not support.
---1st_cliff on 8/12/05


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Cliff, 73 out of 74? Majority rules. Once again, put the comma back where it belongs. Somehow I believe 74 out of 74 was the original intention.
---Rick on 8/12/05


2. (continued)
If Jesus had really wanted to say, "Truly I say to you today," He could have done this very clearly by using a different construction in the Greek language. But based upon the usage of "amen soi lego" throughout scripture, it is clear that the word "Today" belongs with the second part of the sentence, not the first. Also Jesus never added the word "Today" when speaking elsewhere in scripture.
---Rick on 8/12/05


1. Luke 23:43: I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise.

Should we move the comma?

It is helpful to observe how the phrase, "Truly, I say to you" is used elsewhere in scripture. This phrase which translates the Greek words "amen soi lego" occurs 74 times in the Gospels and is always used as an introductory expression.
---Rick on 8/12/05


Rick; It was Jack Nicholson who said to Tom Cruise (in top gun) "you cant handle the truth"! What do you mean put the comma back where God intended it? Punctuation was not invented 'till the 14th century and translated by fundamentalist translators. They placed it where they felt it would coinside with their concept!(same as yours) If you know anything about bible translation,you know it was done by "concesus" and not always agreeing with one another! The majority rules!
---1st_cliff on 8/11/05


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1st Cliff,
Put the comma back where it belongs and slowly back away from the scripture!

I can't believe you would say I'm misleading. Put the comma back where God meant it to be. Seems like some people just can't handle the truth.
---Rick on 8/11/05


Rick; how dark would it be in a "lake of fire"? and why do you and others begin the words of Jesus to the thief "today" when it began "verily or truly" I feel this is missleading! One needs the whole "context" to acurately understand the statement!
---1st_cliff on 8/10/05


MT. 12:40:
"For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."
---Rick_&_Co. on 8/9/05


Rick&Co.
Next it tells us (Math 27.62-64) that the people remembered His promise/threat to be back among the living the 3rd day, that they asked Pilate to order the sepulcher/grave secured until the THIRD DAY, to avoid the possibility for his followers to steal him away before the THIRD DAY.
Well they did not need to worry. He STAYED PUT until the THIRD DAY, then the earthquake ad his resurrection took place just as He said it would!
---Pierr7958 on 8/9/05


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Rick & Co
ere is what Jesus Himseld said about WHEN he was/would be resurrected:
Math 16:21 ...BE RAISED AGAIHE THE THIRD DAY!
Math 17:22-23 ...AND THE THIRD DAY HE SHALL BE RAISED AGAIN!
Luke 9:22 ...AND BE RAISED THE THIRD DAY!
When asked for a sign of His Messiahship he said "Destroy this temple and IN THREE DAYS I will raise it up again" John 2:19. To what temple was He refering to? ...He spake of the temple of His BODY v.20-21.
TBC
---Pierr7958 on 8/9/05


Rick:
I want to keep the dialogue on "high grounds" but did I really say that Jesus "ceased to exist"? No I did not BUT actually I believe it just like you believe that Jesus died even though you did say He is God and IMMORTAL (= not suject to death).
As for HADES + L&RM can you not accept that BY LIT GENDRE it is PARABLE? I hope so!
---Pierr7958 on 8/9/05


Eph. 4:8-10 (Jesus descended into Hades)
"Wherefore he saith, when he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (now that he ascended, what is it but he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?) He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
---Rick on 8/9/05


5) Also Hades is located in the heart of the earth while the Lake of fire is located in outer darkness. Much of the confusion is due mainly to the inconcistency of the translations from the original texts. The Hebrew word for grave is "Queber," and is never used to describe Sheol, but refers to the place where the "bodies" of the dead go.
---Rick on 8/9/05


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4) Since the resurrection of Christ, believers now go directly into the prescence of the Lord: "We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be ABSENT FROM THE BODY, and to be present with the Lord" (II Cor. 5:8). So the Paradise compartment was temporary. So also is the torment compartment. At the end of the millennium Hades will be emptied and cast into the Lake Of Fire (Rev. 20:13,14). Hades and the Lake of fire cannot be the same since Hades is cast into it.
---Rick on 8/9/05


3) Jesus promised the thief on the cross, "Today shalt thou be with me in Paradise." Jesus descended into Hades that day. "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." (Mt. 12:40).
---Rick on 8/9/05


2) Sheol or Hades is translated Hell in English. Christ gave a description of "Hades" as having two compartments. There was a great gulf separating the two compartments. Luke 16:19-31 gives a description of this. One compartment was a place of torment for the unrighteous. The other compartment was a place of comfort for the righteous called Paradise.
---Rick on 8/9/05


1) Sheol is a Hebrew word, meaning "Place of the departed dead." The word is found 65 times in the Old Testament. 31 times it is translated "Hell"; 31 times as "grave'; and 3 times as "pit". Hades is the New Testament word (Greek) for Sheol meaning "abode of the departed dead" or departed spirits. Gehenna is a greek word meaning "Lake of Fire." "Tophet" is the Hebrew word for "Lake of Fire."
---Rick on 8/9/05


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Pierre, of course Jesus died for us. But you're saying He ceased to exist. God cannot cease to exist.
---Rick on 8/9/05


No doubt the days were spent in 'both' compartments of hell [Lke.16:19-31], preaching to those who died without Him in Paradise, as "no man goes to the father, except through The Son", Jn.14:6].

Before/after visiting where satan & the rich ruler was, in proxy for those who would be His, saving believers a [possible one way] trip there. I Cor.15:35-58, Rev.1:18.

Jesus' body? Remained three days in His tomb til resurrected [by Him Personally?]. Matt.12:40, Jn.10:14-18, 11:23-26.
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 8/9/05


1stliff:
Good observation as to WHEN Jesus preached to the spirits (for the rest of my view go to "Thief in Paradise 3 Days")
Not do good observation:> for part...DEAD
NO he was actually DEAD/asleep for the entire 3 days he spent in the grave.
Very good observation:when you are dead you do not travel around AND HE DID NOT!
---Pierr7958 on 8/8/05


Karina:
You are pretty right with what you understand my position to be but for more details follow my suggestion and click my name for answers to this blog as well as the "Thief in paradise 3 days" blog and you will be able to read more of what I believe. Happy reading!
---Pierr7958 on 8/8/05


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If you read 1pet.3 footnotes #19,20 that Jesus preached to the spirits in prison "in Noah's day" not 2,500 yrs later! For parts of three days he was DEAD. When you're dead you dont go anywhere psl.146.4 Eccl.9.5 "the dead (does not mention BODY) know nothing"
---1st_cliff on 8/8/05


Hello Pierre! What do you believe? It seems to me that the spirit returns to He who gave it and the body, including that of the thief, goes to the grave. The dead in Christ arise later (1 Thess.4: 13ff). Christ, when he first talked to His disciples after His death, told them that He had not yet ascended to His Father (John 20:17). Please give me Bible verses to back up your thoughts. Thank you very much for replying.
---Karina on 8/8/05


Jesus did go down to hell to preach to the spirits in prison. (Pe 3:19) Satan thought that when Jesus died on the cross, that was it. They were rejoicing because he was dead. Jesus went into hell to take the keys over death.
---Rebecca_D on 8/8/05


Karina: I disagree with your take. If you care to you can click on this blog and click my name and you will see my comments. Same for "Thief in Paradise"
---Pierr7958 on 8/8/05


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I believe Christ's spirit went to his Father (Luke 23:46ff)and the body was in the grave - the word 'hell' is not the hell of eternal torment but 'hades' which is the grave (Acts 2:31). Christ's spirit returned and he arose as all those who are dead in Christ will (1 Cor. 15:1ff). If someone has a different understanding, please let me know - thanks.
---Karina on 8/8/05


Tim said it right. Jesus descended into hell to release those O.T. souls which died before his birth, and were awaiting for him. If you read the Bible it says an earthquake happened, and the graves were opened, and many in Jerusalem have seen the saints arise again. Death and hell had no legal authority to hold Jesus, because he was innocent, the sins that he died with were not his own sins, but they were everyone elses sins. He proved his life by resurrecting from the dead.
---Eloy on 8/8/05


Ann5798&Tim&Co
Please go to "Thief in Paradise Three Days" for my take on that passage, then get back if you need to.
---Pierr7958 on 8/8/05


Rick:
Are you saying that because He is immortal He did not die for our sins? If that were the case there would be no hope for us! But Heb 2:14 tells us that Christ took on our nature and "THROUGH DEATH...destroy the devil!"
---Pierr7958 on 8/8/05


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1 Peter 3:18 "For Christ also died for sins once for all,the righteous for the unrighteous,that he might bring us to God,being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit;in which he went and preached to the spirits in prison,who formerly did not obey,when God's patience waited in the days of Noah..". Rick's view is very very close to my own.And the stone being rolled away was not for His benefit-He didn't need it to get out..it was so that the women and disciples could get in.
---Ann5758 on 8/8/05


TIM:
What is the ref for your claim?
---Pierr7958 on 8/8/05


Good word Tim. Pierre, You're not saying Jesus ceased to exist three days are you? Haven't you read that Jesus is God? That means he's immortal.
---Rick on 8/8/05


jesus went to hell those 3 days...why....to take the keys of death from satan...read your bible folks
---tim on 8/8/05


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Eileen, listen to Jeff, he got it right.
---Rick on 8/8/05


Hi Eileen, In Luke 16 Jesus talked about a place called Abraham's bosom. It's believed that Jesus went there during the 3 days to speak to those who had died before He did to tell them their redemtion had arrived and at that point they were allowed to ascend to Heaven. All souls of righteous men were believed to have been kept there prior to Christ dying. It was also called Sheol.
Hope that helps.
---Jeff on 8/8/05


To Truthseekera:
The fact is HE DID NOT GO ANYWHERE! He stayed in the tomb guarded by 100 romans.Then early on Su morning there was a tremendous earthquake and the angel of the Lord rolled the stone away and Jesus came forth!
Q for doubters:
If JCh could leave his body behind but go as he pleases in 'spirit' why bother with guards? and why the earthquake and angel of God to roll away the stone? It would all be unnecesarry. Read,pray for sight to see the truth.
---Pierr7958 on 8/8/05


Eileen, this debate is currently going on on another blog. It's called "Thief in Paradise Three Days."
---Rick on 8/8/05


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2) The torment side will also be empty at the end of the Millennium, the unsaved will be cast into the Lake of Fire (Gehenna). At this time when Christians die they go immediately into the presence of the Lord (Heaven).
---Rick on 8/8/05


1)The thief went to Paradise that day. The Paradise described in this verse is not Heaven. Jesus descended into the heart of the Earth for three days. At that time there were two compartments of Hell. One side was the torment side, the other side was called Paradise. This is where the righteous were until the resurrection of Christ. The Paradise side is now empty. They could not enter Heaven until Jesus descended there and set the captives free.
---Rick on 8/8/05


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