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Most Christians Don't Help

Why is that MOST Christians rarely offer practical help to those in need. Why do the rest of us not reach out?

Moderator - Because most people that call themselves Christian are not. True Christians do help people.

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Are you guys sure "most" Christians are this way? There's a lot of ministry going on everyday in so many ways. Besides, the "sinner's prayer" is legit if a person means it with their whole heart. :) God bless them.
---Mary on 3/15/11


Most christians feel after they have said the sinners prayer, thats it! They feel they are on their way to heaven and nothing more is needed. Some are just plain afraid to share the gospel with others. Have never really been mentored or taught the correct way to disciple others. Especially new christians.
The mature christian has just gotten lazy and set in their ways. They feel they have arrived or something to that effect. They are saved and probably don't feel they have to help anyone else. This is a mistake.
---Robyn on 3/14/11


You can be a true Christian and be afaraid to do some things. But we will be able to help someone in need, sometimes. If we have truly been born again.There are so many people, with games these days. Looking to beat people out of their money and other goods. Christians need to be on guard,also. We(christians) are catching hell, also. Some people target Christians,specifically, because they think we are suppose to do certain things. Part with our money, in particular. I am not parting with anything, especially now days. Times are very hard. We need to use spiritual wisdom,more than ever.
---Robyn on 7/24/10


first of all, We as Christians should not be shocked at all by the state of the world or by anything we go through.
We are suppose to be a peculiar, set apart people. Those in sin should know that you are a Christian just from the way you speak.
I have had this said about me and the ones talking didn't even know I was Christian until I told them. They said they could tell because I was kind to them.
To me, I was being the person God wants me to be so I had never noticed the way I was.
We also think that if it is small, its not doing much when this isn't true.
Something as simple as a smile can truly bless someone and change their whole day.
---miche3754 on 11/11/08


Consider how our Lord came to Jerusalem the 1st time, and then how he will return...

On the back of a young donkey meek & lowley at heart to fulfill that which his Father had planned for the salvation of man.

The Cross bridged the gap between man & God,
we are healed by his stripes and washed in his Blood and given the promise of life everlasting for having faith in what he has done.

The Lord that's returning has hair as white as snow and rides a white horse and his two edged sword, He'll rule with a Rod of Iron and EVERY knee shall BEND, I pray that you are with us in the END.
YLBD
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 11/11/08




Frances008~As I've said before I admire your passion and desire to teach truth. However, I don't think Jesus taught us to be offensive in correcting others....often this backfires. Jesus was very upfront with the Pharisees and other religious leaders concerning their self-righteous ways, and was as direct with them as could be. However, Jesus was more compassionate toward those labeled 'sinners.' Yes, we do need to rebuke, exhort, and set people straight...but we need to do it carefully and let His Spirit guide us in each unique situation.
---Anne on 11/11/08


Jesus spoke the truth in love. He did not think about whether or not his message would be accepted, misinterpreted, or used to get him charged with offensive behaviour. He is our example. If we are not offending anyone who is off the right path, then we are not doing (as a chosen elect church) what Jesus calls us to do.
---frances008 on 11/10/08


Gayla~ I like what you said..but how can we 'rock' the status quo? I know Jesus and Paul rocked the status quo, as well as the deciples. You know what..I listen to 'effect radio' and I think they rock the status quo literally. Listen to some songs by the band 'Seventh Star'...songs like 'My 96th Thesis', 'Be Wary', 'Brood of Vipers' and 'Every Day' etc. and you will hear some modern day deciples who are questioning the motives of the RCC and other corporate churches, and questioning their world around them. Perhaps God is raising up an army for truth...who knows how God is going to 'rock' this world?
---Anne on 11/10/08


Thank you Ann for your comments. All glory to Christ. When I first came to the Lord, a pastor I had in a study class said that many who make a committment to Christ in five or six years they grow cold. Their fire goes out. I didn't understand that in the beginning because I didn't know much about Scripture. I find that there is many who make a commitment to Christ and later do go away.
I have to believe this people never had a true conversion. A true transformation. Because I have been a Christain for over 18 years and I know how I feel about Christ. And I know many who are on fire and they have been Christian for twenty or thirty years. I believe the more you know about God the more you are on fire. That is just my thoughts.
---MarkV. on 11/10/08


Frances, there is a select few who will make it. Listen to Jesus Word if you don't believe me, John 18:37, "...Everyone who is of the Truth hears My voice" As we know by Jesus own words that not everyone is of the Truth. Only those of the Truth are His Children and will make it. Yet there is many who are not of the Truth.
God has provided not only faith for the believer, but all spiritual gifts necessary for the believer so that he will make it, and he will make it by the sustaining power of Christ. If they are truely saved, they will presevere because God will preserve us. Not becuase of our own works. For He created us (believers) unto good works.
---MarkV. on 11/10/08




(1) of (2 parts)
Kathr, I don't think you get my point.

To further prove my point, read 1Cor.5

I'm only proving that even among the members of the true church of God (therefore these have been saved by grace), some may "slide back" and therefore lose their salvation. And don't say they didn't have true faith before they "slid back".

Because "faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."(Rom.10:17). The christians mentioned in Hebrews as well as in 1Cor.5 heard the word of God from the apostles themselves, hence they have received the "true" word of God, they are members of the true church. But some, still slid back and hence, lost their salvation.
(continued)
---manny on 11/10/08


Why is that MOST Christians rarely offer practical help to those in need. Why do the rest of us not reach out?---Marie-Claire on 8/12/05

To which groups of people are you all comparing.
I know we have to do more.
But, no other Country, Religion or Group of any type gives more money, time, and medical help than Christians.
---Nicole on 11/8/08


We have substitued the church, for God. And we leave everything to the man behind the pulpit, instead of working out our own salvation, with fear and trembling, like the word says, we have become followers, instead of leaders. We take someone else's word for what is in the bible, instead of finding out for ourselves, and our 2 hours on Sunday, we consider as our service to the Lord, when, that is only a fraction of what God had in mind for us. We are complacent, and do not want to rock the status quo. God says we have left our first love, and that we are lukewarm, and he will spew us out of his mouth, unless we repent, and do the first works over. Or go back to the basics, that are very clear in his word.
---Gayla on 11/8/08


MarkV, I am sure that you realize that Jesus is now no longer with us in body, and relies on his people on earth to be lights shining in the darkness, pointing people back to GOD, not to Himself. Then you must realize that people who promote obedience to the gospel are just following Jesus's example and saying that we must repent and change and follow Christ (be good) if we want to enter the Kingdom of God. This way ensures we all make it to Heaven, your way only ensures that a select few who really 'get' it, manage to make it to Heaven. Only they may be disappointed.
---frances008 on 11/7/08


MarkV~ I liked your comments on Nov. 5. As you said, true children of God, don't do kind deeds to boast, or as a way to appear to be a 'greater Christian'...they do it because they love God in the same way that God loved them. Thanks for your sound and caring answers and advice.
---Anne on 11/7/08


Donna, I am glad you are not apparently offended. I would agree with every word you wrote in your post.
---frances008 on 11/5/08


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Frances008
I wasn't offended. I could see you didn't understand what I was getting at....I was trying to make a point.
---Donna66 on 11/5/08


Frances008-
I understand that the subject of this discussion is (or has turned into) one of doctrine.

My position is that the new nature we have received in Him produces good works. It is not a matter of following this or that command.We don't need to keep a check list to see that we are doing everything good thing the Lord requires.

1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

With the Love of God working in us, the acts He inspires are hardly even WORKS.

1Cr 13:3 though I bestow all my goods to feed [the poor], and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity,( some versions use the word love) it profiteth me nothing.
---Donna66 on 11/5/08


Moderator,

While I agree with you, I think there is something the church misses on this point. We are called to make disciples, in Hebrew probably better said, "students." That means, we either teach those who come to Messiah, or plug them into a place where they can learn.

"Witnessing" and "leading people to the Lord," in some circles, almost becomes a badge of honor, a notch in a belt. (i.e. Well Bob, I led 14 people to Christ last month!)

There is no profit in leading anyone to Messiah and not teaching them what they need to know. We have two examples of people who went away for 3 years to learn before starting a ministry. We don't see that today.

Blessings.
Ken
---kenrank on 11/5/08


Kathr, you have talked yourself into identifying with the adversaries of the gospel of Jesus Christ Hebrews 10. 26-29

I ask you to repent and fall in line with the gospel. Stop leading people astray. Remember 'It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.'

I should hate for something bad to happen to you in order to save your soul.

I pray that you will repent in time.
---frances008 on 11/5/08


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Donna, how was I rude to you? Kathr says I was rude, and I have a feeling that Kathr has trouble knowing truth from lies....which is what happens when we throw away the rulebook and play it the way we want. Black becomes white and white becomes black. I sincerely hope I did not offend you in any way Donna.
---frances008 on 11/5/08


Contratulations Kathr, you have done very careful work to ensure that your false doctrine wins.

Jesus came to the Jewish people because they had slidden away from the Law into sin. He then spent his life-time corrrecting them from the error of their ways and bringing them back to a proper understanding of the Law.

Jesus brought some new things to add onto the Law. It was falling back from life in Christ that is referred to here. And now we are witnessing the great faling away from the faith that Jesus prophesied for the end times. Where people would be running after gospels that do not require any picking up of a cross.
---frances008 on 11/5/08


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Donna, your answer was wonderful in answering this particular thread...and MarkV, Perfect answer.

Frances, your comment to Donna was RUDE, and it would appear YOU are the one who needs to re-read the question. Remember not everyone has their eyes on YOU....their eyes were on the original question!!!

You owe Donna an apology! Now show your obedience and stand behind all you say you believe is true...and apologize!
---kathr4453 on 11/5/08


Christians live in a fallen and evil world as do others(non christians) We are selfish beings who want we want, when we want it. Even if we are born again. Becoming a Christian takes time and is a long process for most.Being born again and receiving deliverance are worlds apart. We have everyday struggles and concerns and this includes not offering help to others.
Most people feel once they have uttered a prayer that is the end and we are guaranteed a place in Heaven and have escaped hell fire.
This maybe but we still must work out our own soul salvation, according to the Word of God. We must be holy,sanctified and sold out to Christ. He must be the Lord of our lives!
---Robyn on 11/5/08


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Has anyone ever seen th movie "Pay it Forward"?
It is a wonderful and truly inspirational concept. When someone does one kind random act, the person on the receiving end of that act, turns and does a kind random act to the next person they meet.
If we all did this, how long do you think it will take before the blessing comes back to you? not long.
No matter how small the kindness is, it is still kindness, and I for one never forget those who have been kind to me and pass it on every chance I get.
---miche3754 on 11/5/08


Manny, Hebrews 3 & 4 and Hebrews 10 .

Faith, and enter in.

You cannot enter in by works or by the Law...it can only be entered by faith. The author conclues in both places it is FAITH. The law is not of faith. Our faith is in Jesus Christ, and what HE did and continues to do. Hebrews is summed up in these last two verses....

Meditate on them.

Hebrews 13:20/21
20Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

21Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
---kathr4453 on 11/5/08


Donna, your answer said it all. True faith does not boast, it works through the individual because he is in Christ. All he knows to do is love others. He might not agree with others but he loves them.
Those people you talked about from the church displayed a love that so many others don't. I am sure they didn't think in the morning before helping you, that they are going only because they wanted to make points with God to gain credit. Which would be boasting in their works. They were drawn by the Spirit's directions and they walked in the Spirit and gave the glory to God.

Kathr is correct, many are living under the law of works. They have no true faith in their hearts. Their faith is in themselves not true faith in Christ.
---MarkV. on 11/5/08


Manny did you read the entire chapter, and the very last two verses in this chapter. How does the author conclude....


Hebrews 10: 38Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

39But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition, but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

Manny, I said there are all kinds of faith...but only ONE TRUE faith resulting in TRUE salvation.

If they continued to practice OT traditions that actually POINTED to Christ, and rejected the Very Christ who now fulfilled those promises.....then they have fallen back .
---kathr4453 on 11/5/08


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Frances,

1 Corithians 2:5That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

6Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world,...

7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery,even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

....even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God,that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth,but which the Holy Ghost teacheth, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
---kathr4453 on 11/5/08


(1)
Kathr>> "...those who reject"

Are you saying the "we" referred to in Heb.10:26 are NOT the christians -- those who have "accepted" God's words?

And consequently do you not believe that IF "christians" (in the true sense) slide back and go back to their sinful ways then they would have lost their salvation and they can no longer be saved?

Your eyes have been blinded. As frances said (thank you frances) "it is written in plain writing."
(continued)
---manny on 11/5/08


Donna, I am sorry about your cancer and glad that you could endure it. However, this argument is about whose doctrine is correct. This is about what happens to those souls who disobey Christ and expect to be saved, not about the dear people who are at your church (who are probably saved).
---frances008 on 11/4/08


We have continuing metaphors (not to be taken literally), mystical symbolism, and vague illusions to past events from Kathr, and on the other hand we have Manny reading what is written in plain writing in the context it was written in. I wonder who I should go with(?) I know! Manny.
---frances008 on 11/4/08


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Manny, the Author lays down perfectly what Salvation is....AND then come the warning of those who reject the NEW and LIVING WAY....through the Veil, that is to say His flesh. I am crucified with Christ is the ONLY way to ENTER IN.

Anyone who has not ENTERED IN, will receive the Wrath of God. The comparison to this is Hebrews 3 & 4...In Gods WRATH we see again the same principle...His wrath was to those who did not ENTER IN. The Jordan cross is also symbolic of death and resurrection life....I am Crucified with Christ.

Hebrews explains this ONE concept OVER AND OVER AND OVER...many different ways, yet saying the same thing over in a way Jews understand.


The KEY words here are ENTER IN !!!!!!
---kathr4453 on 11/4/08


(1)
I read the verses in its proper context.

Hebrews (chapt.10) may have been written to the jews but these are jews that have come to believe in Jesus Christ, that's why in verse19 he says "having therefore, BRETHREN, boldness..." they are already brothers in faith, whose sins have been washed by the sacrifice of the blood of Jesus Christ (v.18-19)

The early verses (1-4) talks about the sacrifices in the jewish tradition which cannot take away sins and compares it to the "once and for all" sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ which takes sins(v.10-).
(continued)
---manny on 11/3/08


(2)
In verses 22 onwards it asks the brethren to continue to have true hearts having been washed with pure water and to hold fast to the faith without wavering.

So, the thought conveyed in ver.26 that "...there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins," continues in verse 27 "but a certain fearful looking of judgment and fiery indignation".

These two verses warns the christians (those who have received -- remember: "received" not just "heard" -- the knowledge of the truth) that if they "sin wilfully" they can no longer be saved. Why?

(continued)
---manny on 11/3/08


Hebrews was written to counter the growing threat of superstitious rituals that were growing up among the Christians. It was supposed to show us that we are now able to approach God directly, through the once and for all intervention of Jesus Christ on Calvary. If we follow the Way of Jesus, which was to live a life in accordance with God's Commands, then we would be brought back into a relationship with God that even the O.T. Jews did not have. It is a New Covenant, not built on ritual invented by Christians, but built on the solid foundation of the Law and prophets. Jesus fulfilled the O.T.
---frances008 on 11/3/08


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Manny, to add to my last post. Anyone who holds on to the OT, Law, sacrifices, etc, has actually rejected the finished work of Christ, INSULTING the Spirit of GRACE, trampling underfoot the Son of God, and counting the Blood of the covenant a common thing.

Hebrews was written to Jews of whom many were still sitting on the fence, and still holding to their old traditions.

Hebrews was written just after the Temple in 70AD was destroyed. They are being taught that CHRIST is the Temple, High Priest, Surety of the New Covenant, the FINAL sacrifice etc.

It is so rich in truth as to salvation....but must be read in proper context.
---kathr4453 on 11/3/08


Because as the bible said in Heb.10:26 onwards "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifices for sins...." Meaning, as christians (those who received the knowledge of the truth) if we sin wilfully, you will lose the "salvation" given you through God's grace.
---manny on 11/3/08

Manny, you are taking this out of context. This was spoken to JEWS who still wanted to sacrifice and keep their old Jewish ways and traditions.

The author in Hebrews 10 is saying....there is NO MORE SACRIFICE for sin.....JESUS PAID IT ALL!

And that is what you said in your first post....therefore contradicting yourself!
---kathr4453 on 11/3/08


Frances ... So true!
---alan_of_UK on 11/3/08


pt 1
there are 3 kinds of christians in the church
1.pharisees-they're selfabsorbed, arrogant, selfrighteous who always point to sin
2 experts in the law- they quote verses, & say that 'it is not biblical'
3 hypocrites - they do not practice what they preach.
i disagree with the moderator. bec they do not understand the situation. they lack understanding & could not give a practical solution to the problem. they are caught with 'religion'. as the saying goes 'they are not in the same page.'
---mike on 11/3/08


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pt2 - these 3 classes of 'christians' are caught up with 'religion'.
1 good ex. is the tithe. what you always hear in the church is the tithe will bless you or lacking faith. tithe & faith is not always the answer to your financial problems.
the bible says there are other ways to be blessed like working, sowing & reaping skills, planning, & stewarship which includes self-confidence. proverbs provides those answers.
but in the church pastors will say that give you 10%, & everything will be answered or self confidence is not biblical and if things did not work out, they will accuse you of lack of faith.people have FAITH, but they are given a snake when they are asking for a fish.
---mike on 11/3/08


pt3 - those who are in need of help are told to obey 'immature & childish' teachings. they end up in bondage trying to make those 'immature & childish' teachings to work. if those who are in need try something else, they are labeled with nasty names.
one good ex. is healing the sick during the sabbath. the pharisees said it is bec of sin (that is 'religion'), but christ provided the healing (real answer). christ healed on the sabbath, the pharisees labeled him with nasty names bec. they were stuck with'religion' or they are full of religion. they lack 'knowledge & understanding'.
---mike on 11/3/08


Donna:The faith you speak of is different IMHO to the faith for salvation.The faith you refer to is the faith that moves mountains as Jesus said.
---Mic on 11/3/08


If this statement is true-
"Meaning, as christians (those who received the knowledge of the truth) if we sin wilfully, you WILL LOSE the "salvation" given you through God's grace.
---manny on 11/3/08 "
this means that your willful sin is stronger than the hand of God, who has said," no man can snatch out of my hand"
question, Are you yourself not a man? And if you are a man how can you take yourself out of God's hand?
---mima on 11/3/08


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(1)
I agree with Frances, the problem is: the phrase "for by grace are ye saved, not of works..." has been used quite too liberally... "we are saved by faith and not of works"...thereby creating a wrong connotation that works is not anymore needed by Christians because they have been led to believe that they are already saved.

Yes, through God's grace He sent His son into the world to save us... from what? from the penalty of sin which is death. Christ died in our place, He took all of our sins on the cross and when He died all our sins died with Him on the cross. But does it end there?
(continued)
---manny on 11/3/08


(2)
As He resurrected, it symbolizes that we are "given a new life"... to start fresh... all our sins washed away. But it doesn't give a final guarantee that we will receive eternal life. Why?

Because as the bible said in Heb.10:26 onwards "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifices for sins...." Meaning, as christians (those who received the knowledge of the truth) if we sin wilfully, you will lose the "salvation" given you through God's grace.
---manny on 11/3/08


frances--

Those in my church who made it possible for me to endure difficult cancer treatments, DO believe they are SAVED BY FAITH ALONE!

They don't help others to please God...it is God's love within them that causes them to reach out toward others with love. They don't give it any thought...it's just what they want to do.
---Donna66 on 11/3/08


It is those who think that they are saved by faith alone who sit back in their comfortable little lives and believe they will be okay with God. As the moderator says, many who calll themselves Christians are not true Christians, (I would add - whereas some who call themselves atheists would actually DO what the Bible tells Christians to do. ) Who of these groups is most likely to be saved under God's rules?
---frances008 on 11/2/08


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I don't know what churchs you attended but all I ever belonged to helped a whole lot.I was president of Women's Outreach at a large church I belonged to for many years.I don't know how many baskets of food I've delivered.We had a food pantry and everything,a huge barrel in the front lobby where we did put cans and packages of non perishable food all the time.We did help members and people who attended there first but also many people in the community who called for help.Someetimes the pastor would pay the person to do odd jobs etc.to see if they were freloaders (they are out there)and usually won't work.
---shirley on 10/31/08


I've had much practical help from Christians in times of need over the last 30 or so years and most of it has come from unexpected quarters.

Those I thought most able to help didn't and those who seemed to need to be helped themselves just rolled up their sleeves and got on with what was necessary when I couldn't. That is Christian love in action.There are so many ways in which a Christian can help a brother/sister in Christ. Some of it costs money, some costs time and some needs prayer. We are all equipped to help in different ways because God made us all different and put us in different circumstances but, if we withhold the help that God has equipped us to give, He will hold us responsible for not helping.
---RitaH on 10/31/08


The Giving USA foundation found that 32% of all charitable donations are made to religious organizations by, duh, those who consider themselves evangelicals or religious. Does that answer the moderators question?
If there is statistical proof that MOST Christians rarely offer practical help to those in need it may be because we ourselves are too much in need (spiritually) and spend too little time with God where he would give us a heart for the lost both materially and spiritually.
Our primary focus in pratical giving however should be those in need INSIDE the household of faith (i.e. widows, orphans, poor believers). I had to ask God to give me the heart of his son who was broken over those in need - (as a hen gathers her brood)
---larry on 10/30/08


I dispute the idea that MOST Christians don't offer practical help to those in need. When I had cancer, I dreaded having to ASK someone to drive me to and from chemo. I never did ask, but members of my church were vying with each other for the chance to drive me.They furnished food, did laundry and errands, all without me asking.

I think it would be the same if I had had a sprained ankle or a bad case of flu. I would do the same for them...it's just what we DO.

Ours is a small church. Everyone knows everybody.My experience with large churches is that many people think of helping, but assume that "somebody with more time", "somebody who lives closer" somebody ELSE will meet the need.
---Donna66 on 10/30/08


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They need teaching and spiritual wisdom,mostly. I believe. People perish from things they do not understand or learn. This is why a preacher is very important in a new christian's life. They are targets for satan and his tactics. Even the older Christians need teaching and knowledge.Teachers are important to impart the Word of God to other Christians. It is a high calling to be a preacher and teacher.Therefore more is required of them. We never want to mislead a person with wrong teaching and preaching. If we do-we will have to answer to God,Himself, for this evil thing and we do not want to fall into the hands of an angry God.
---Robyn on 10/30/08


A-men Moderator.
---Eloy on 9/20/08


Some of the time, non-Christians who ask for "help" don't take it. As a counselor, all my advice is based on the Bible, which pretty much covers all the bases. The Bible, when used in it's proper context, give lots of practical advice. If a person who is the counselee refuses to accept the biblical solution, any avice given is usually temporary. Keep in mind some Christians are sincere, but really don't know how to give practical advice,except from their experiences, which may be limited.
---WIVV on 9/19/08


this is a reply to your reply bout celtic artwork there are csigns called sigils that are demonic and can be used in possesions and other magic however shapes and lines hold no power. if someone was evil they would not be hurt by a cross or holy water they are symbols you will find most religion is filled with symbolism and metaphores because the texts used are thousands of years old and the authors didnt know how to explain these things and some of the meansing was probably lost in translation .
---simon on 5/5/07


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this is a reply to your reply bout celtic artwork there are csigns called sigils that are demonic and can be used in possesions and other magic however shapes and lines hold no power. if someone was evil they would not be hurt by a cross or holy water they are symbols you will find most religion is filled with symbolism and metaphores because the texts used are thousands of years old and the authors didnt know how to explain these things and some of the meansing was probably lost in translation .
---simon on 5/5/07


Catherine, is that your way of saying "have a nice day"? Just wondering what you meant by that Scripture quote--are those that are ministering doing nothing or something? Just curious--thanks :)
---Mary on 4/27/07


I never knew you and therefore depart from me, ye that work iniquity; And those that are so will receive the greater Damnation.
---catherine on 4/26/07


Joyful and Nan: you ladies rock! :) Yes, to be honest, Catherine, I (personally anyway) see much more of Jesus in Nana and Joyful, than some of the others. They aren't judging and assuming everybody's failing miserably. They're cool! :)
---Mary on 4/26/07


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Moderator, you sure hit it right on the nail. We have today way too many unbelieveing believers. And I am afraid they are hurting God's reputation and putting a bad reputation upon God's true people. Shame on all of you, who are guilty of this great sin.
---catherine on 4/26/07


The word 'Christian' is a very misunderstood word. I went to church from an early age (though not a saved until 19). We had no buses on Sundays, only one person in our area had a car in those days and, although he went to the same church, he would happily drive past us with several empty seats in his car, in the pouring rain AND he lived opposite us. He was a church-goer not a Christian although he would have said he was, sadly he never became one either and died a bitter, miserable 84 year old.
---Xanthi on 4/26/07


I really agree with this statement. It is really hard to see people helping others. They just believe bigbanners and not those who are small and directly involved in mission work.
---Dr_Beatrice on 7/5/06


First: how to you know they are Christians and not just using Christianty as an excuse not to help?

Second: have you actually done a study or read a survey that says this?

Third: This has not been our personal experience. We retired from the mission field after 33 years. Most of our furniture we left behind because most of it was infested with termites. Total strangers furnished our new house - and these were Christians. (We retired to a state that was not our former state.)
---WIVV on 9/15/05


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One of the times when i was homeless and was giving a presentation in college, about what God said to me on the literal reality of heaven and hell, two of the students who were street ladies came up to me later in the day and offered me some clothing, some pants and shirts they had in some brown grocery bags. i thought, how true it is that the harlots and sinners will go into the kingdom of God before the religious folk, for their hearts are more tender, just like the story of the Good Samaritan.
---Eloy on 9/6/05


I have 2 agree with many of the arguments put 4ward by Christians re: lack of help from Christians. A true Christian must always help if they can. Someone who says they are then don't follow Christ's teaching are followers of tradion only! Sad but true. While we're judging---let us B more Christ-like and learn 2 live with it, Anne
---Anne on 9/6/05


I find that christians offer too much advice. I believe that love is an action word. If we love, we do. Our actions show our love. Most people, Christian or not, are just plainly too busy. It is not that they don't care, but they only have so many hours in each day, and have to choose where their priorities lie. They rarely have time for more than just family. There are so many needs that need filling.
---Joyful on 8/23/05


Marie Claire:In our country,especially in our locality, Christians do help. What I am too careful about are the supposed to be "Christians" using the Internet asking for "Help" that do not provide any links or references for us to verify their authenticity. Because of this, I prefer to help locally. Local help would make me see the real situation of the one I am trying to help.
---bebet3754 on 8/17/05


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Come to our house and you will find a different scene. My husband and I will never turn down any legitimate call for help. My husband is also one of those rare people who will still occasionally pick up a hitchhiker. He has a great opportunity to witness to them while he is taking them where they need to be.
---Sally on 8/16/05


Sister Darlene, you called us Christians, the next bunch of suckers. I was laughing when I read that. I like the explanation but the wrong choice of words. Yes it is true many are evil out there taking advantage. But the moderator is correct. Many call themselves Christian and are not. Really, true Christians do help other many times very carefully because of what you stated.
---lupe2618 on 8/12/05


The bible tells us that they first called the disciples in Antioch christians. To me the word christian means to be Christ like. Jesus also spoke about how the Son of man went and sowed seeds and in the night the wicked one came and sowed his seeds also. Lest they pluck up the good seeds with the bad ones, the Lord said let them grow together and at the time of harvest the Lord will send his angels to seperate the wheat from the tare. Don't just go off what people say, it's a lifestyle.
---mark585 on 8/12/05


How do you know that MOST Christians do not offer help to those in need? How many Christians do you know? Are you saying that over 50% of the ones you know personally do not help others? You should have asked "Why do SOME Christians rarely offer help...." because I think MOST do.
---Nan on 8/12/05


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MOST Christians who are really believers DO give and give again. The people who take advantage can be very devious. There is a nasty saying that is sometimes true...."You've never been took until you are took by a Christian". Therefore, many Christians are becoming more careful about who they give to. Personally, I have had to learn to be more discerning. Since I am now disabled, I have to learn how to take for a change; I find that harder.
---Elsie on 8/12/05


Sometimes, with the best will in the world a Christian has to say no and risk the consequences of being called unloving, uncaring etc. I'm in a predicament at the moment where I am having to say no to helping someone else who constantly gets into debt. The time has come when this person either sinks or swims on his own. It's a sad thing to watch but people who refuse to help themselves sometimes forfeit any help we could give.
---Paul on 8/12/05


Many times the problem is not the Christian but the fact there are a lot of crooks now days who say they are Christians,get all the help the people and church have to give and then they move on to the next bunch of suckers.If its money help you can't help just anyone but must be careful,even churches are careful.Christians should minister to those of body who have proven their commitment to Christ.1Timothy4:8-10 charity among Christians,being good stewards.
---Darlene_1 on 8/12/05


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