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Explain 2 Samuel 12:11-14

Please could somebody explain this verse to me. 2 Samuel 12:11-14 I'm thinking that there is an explanation that I am missing. Why did God kill babies? I ask in all respect.
luv,
sue

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Eloy, I loved what you said about God. But disagree with what you said after,
" Whenever a person hurts God's people, the righteous, then that person is sealing their fate for woe and damnation"
Paul killed hundreds of God's people, and God changed his heart. Many others who persecuted the Church later confessed Jesus Christ as their Savior. As you said before in your statement, God is Omnipotent and can do whatsoever He desires with His creation for His decisions are eternal.
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Who hath saved us, and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began"
( 2 Tim. 1:9).
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---Mark_V. on 9/9/11


Sue, The Potter has power over the clay. God gives life, and takes life away. So what is the creature to complain against the Almighty, against the Lord whom is proven to be perfect, holy, above reproach? God is above all blame, and above all accusation: for it is foolish to blame the perfect, for the perfect cannot be blamed for any thing. David sinned in yoking with another man's wife- commiting fornication- and then worsening his sin by having that wife's husband killed- committing murder. Sin has consequences- death. We witness this, that whenever people sin, especially against the godly, then people will rightly die. Whenever a person hurts God's people, the righteous, then that person is sealing their fate for woe and damnation.
---Eloy on 9/8/11


I think God was angered because David had committed adultry, and had his wifes husband murdered so he could have her for himself.He, God can do whatever he wants because he is God.
---judy on 9/8/11


Because He is God and He knew what choices those babies would have made when they grew up just as He knew that there was no hope for Sodom and Gomorrah and their children. Nor was there any hope for the babies of the flood.

God knows the end from the beginning. He brought us into this world and He will take us out...one way or another.
---barb on 9/8/11


Read Exodus 12:29-30

What kind of sadistic God forces someone to do something that angers him and then kill innocent children and animals to fix the problem? A loving, kind and benevolent God with all his infinite wisdom surely had to have better solutions than he resorts to in the Bible.
---Bobby_Eaton on 1/19/11

The Kind I want. Wasn't just Judah/jews but complete Israel. Have wondered the same thing you have in my youth.
My earth father loved me enough to protect me. GOD loved this "enslaved" people more than any.
You love your wife more than any. And will/might protect her and your own against all threats. Or maybe you would just warn em? Throw paper wads? You get the drift.
---Trav on 9/6/11




Impaler, David had disobeyed God. Under the Covenant of made with Israel, their were promises and curses for disobeying. David got what he deserved. The women that he had were given to him by God (v.8). He brought the sword to himself. This wives were concubines. That story is to show us what God can do when a person disobeys. It is after all His plan and He does what pleases Him in his plan not yours. David did not attempt to rationalize or justify his sin against God. When confronted with the facts, David's confession was immediate. God rules over all of His Creation. You seem to not like our God, so you formed one whom you like in your mind.
---Mark_V. on 9/4/11


2 Samuel 12:11-14:
Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight.'

Let's review this, shall we?

1) God creates Evil
2) God orders innocent women raped to punish their husband

3) The Bible can't be wrong.


Right?
---Brad_the_Impaler on 9/2/11


The firsborn were of all ages, just as Sodom and Gomorrah were of all ages...
---micha9344 on 1/19/11


Read Exodus 12:29-30

God freed Israel from slavery by killing children after setting up the atrocity but hardening the Pharaoh's heart which caused him to "not let My people go." When Moses failed to free them, God sent plagues, then he killed all the firstborn of Egypt, including the Pharaohs son, which caused the ruler to release the Hebrews out of remorse for his son. What kind of sadistic God forces someone to do something that angers him and then kill innocent children and animals to fix the problem? A loving, kind and benevolent God with all his infinite wisdom surely had to have better solutions than he resorts to in the Bible.

The Passover is a celebration of mass infanticide to free the Jews from slavery.)
---Bobby_Eaton on 1/19/11


While it grieves us in our soul, God was justified in killing David's child. This act illustrates that there is always consequences for sinful acts. David himself was forgiven but he had to be taught that everyone suffers as the result of sin. The baby was not alone, God was with him and when he died he was taken to heaven where he was welcomed with a loving embrace. Like the drug dealer who finds out that his younger sibling is addicted to the drugs he sells on the street. Or the weapons manufacturer whose wife is killed during a holdup using a gun his company makes. Because of choices these two individuals made, persons that they loved suffered the consequences.
---Corbin on 2/7/09




Sometimes God will take the most precious thing in your life. In this case for David, it was his son. I need to warn you: God did not kill babies, He killed a baby. God could have killed David, instead.
---catherine on 7/19/08


This answer is based on the information found in 3 different commentaries. David had just committed adultry and in the process also was guilty of murder. So, the Lord is telling David, (through Nathan),since you have taken another mans wife, I'm taking yours and all of Israel will know why. Plus, this child you have fathered, will die as part of your punishment. (You have to read a few chapters before your selection to get the total context.)
---WIVV on 7/18/08


The taking of this baby's life was an example of the Christ'sacrifice to come. The baby died in place of David. Christ died in place of us. The baby, David and Christ are now in heaven. This incident shows that God is indeed holy, and his laws must be obeyed and the penalty for breaking them must be paid. Yet, he is merciful. These verses show the power, mercy, love and fairness of God, and they pointed to the coming Salvation in Christ Jesus - the death of the innocent for the unjust.
---Edward on 10/11/07


I will try to answer your question Sue. The child of David was taken from him for one reason. The same reason the son of Pharoah was taken. To soften his heart and get him to repent. Children are innocent in God's eyes and cannot sin. that is why they are often called home. Once David lost his wives and son, he repented before God and his wife gave birth to Solomon who was favored in God's eyes. David had to humble himself before God before he could receive the blessing of God.
---Dave on 3/11/07


I don't think there is anyone out there who understands everything God does. Apparently in these verses, David gave the enemies of the Lord great cause to blaspheme Him. Blasphemy is a great sin against God and He punished David for this by taking his child. We all know how serious a thing that would be to any of us, to have our child die. However, I assume that the child went to heaven to be with the Lord, therefore it was truly David who suffered for his sin, not the child.

God bless.
---Dorothy on 3/10/07


Paulette, i think you meant to ask me the question because i am the one who uses "Amorah" here on the blog. It is from the Hebrew word 'HRM in Genesis. Hebrew is written right-to-left, so transliterated it is 'MRH, and with inserted vowels it is correctly translated AMORAH. This probably is also related to the Amorites in the Bible. Amoria in English is LOVE, as is amorous and enamored. And the city's sin was a perverted LUST.
---Eloy on 8/25/05


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Lupe, is Amorrah an alternative spelling for Gomorrah? I've noticed you use this name a few times but I've never seen it before. Could you tell me where that spelling comes from please?
---Paulette on 8/24/05


Amrodam, that was a great answer to this question. I could not have put it any better and understood so well. Thanks also from me for you did explain it very well.
---lupe2618 on 8/24/05


Sue, I wanted to mention that God did not ordain that David's wives should be raped. There is no indication that they resisted when David's son went to them. It gets back to the question of free will vs. divine intervention. It seems that God pulled back from "divinely protecting" David and let the free will of men/women prevail - even though it resulted in evil. Rom 1:24 Because of this, God gave them up to impurity in the lusts of their hearts, their bodies to be dishonored among themselves,
---Amrodam on 8/24/05


Hi Sue, The baby's death in itself was not a bad thing - it was just a bad thing for David. For those going to heaven, death is a glorious transformation. A vivid reminder of this came when my cousin died of pancreatic cancer. The Lord let her endure *great* suffering, but in the midst of it she said to me that God had given her peace, and said, "nobody will be as good to you as God is". She knew she was about to be transformed ;O)
---Amrodam on 8/24/05


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Verse 14 sums up God's reason for dealing with David's sins of II Sam.11 so harshly.

Ever think how Adam & Eve must have felt, when the innocent animal [lamb] was killed in their prescence as a result of their sin(s) of disobedience?

Nothing, Nothing had ever died before their sin(s). "the wages of sin is death", physically, mentally, & spiritually in God's eyes! *Someone Has To Pay!

Another Reason God's Grace Is Not To Be Taken Lightly, But Cherished!
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 8/19/05


Sister Sue, I have seen many of your responses and can see how you have grown in God's word. When you read what we write or a pastor tells you write it down and always check it out with Scripture. It is the only way you will know its truth. We are all human and many of us come from different denominations so some of our differences might not be that far off. The essentials of the Christian faith have to be the same.
---lupe2618 on 8/13/05


This was God's judgment for David's sin. David had Uriah killed so that he could take his wife, thus he was guilty of murder and adultery. David was humbled at Nathan's words, but the baby he had by Uriah's wife was David's sin in front of God. Yes, God kills babies, remember Noah's day, and Sodom and Amorrah? God is perfect and above reproach, and ultimately in complete control over all his creation.
---Eloy on 8/13/05


4. No one knows all of what God is going to do and why He needs to do certain things but He is Holy and just, and always with a good purpose for others. Read Scripture of all the stories how God dealed with His people but have faith that all of it is just and right. That is what our faith is for. Unbelievers would read Scripture and accuse God of many things but not the believer. This is a lesson on why we should not sin against God. There is always consequences after. Some more serious then others.
---lupe2618 on 8/13/05


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3. God always works with a plan in mind and remember that time is not a part of Him. His decisions are perfect even when we don't understand them. Our faith, that comes from Him, should make us feel that He is in control of all matters. Satan wants us to doubt God in His doings. To wonder if that is the God we want in our lives. He lies to us by hitting our emotions. He wants to pull us away from God by telling us that God really is not a good God, in other words that His word lies to us.
---lupe2618 on 8/13/05


2. God had a purpose for not killing David for God had much work to accomplish through him but the consequences of his sin were never removed. David had made God enemies show utter contemp to Him. Sure David repented but it did not take away his consequences. It could have been if the child had lived God's name would have been dishonored among Israel's pagan neighbors. It would seem that God had reward David instead of giving him punishment. Whatever the reason God knew in advance what He was going to do.
---lupe2618 on 8/13/05


Sister Sue, I don't see why you have a problem with what God does. His decisions are holy and just. There is no wrong in Him. Many nations were wiped out, women and children. Many of this nations were just as bad as Israel, but God choose Israel. That is what I have always wanted others to understand. They only see the love of Christ because they stay mostly in the New Testament, and we hear how wonderful Christ's love is, but we forget that God gives justice too.
---lupe2618 on 8/13/05


WIVV, I did read the entire chapter, but I still could not get over this. Not only God kills a completely innocent baby, he hands over women to be raped! I'm sorry if this sounds offensive, but I need help to understand.
---sue on 8/12/05


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