We do not know if the theif ever made it to heaven. The resurrected Christ said to Mary that He had not yet ascended to His Father (which is in Heaven?). Christ, on the cross, promised the thief that he would be with Him "today" in paradise, yet 2 days later it appears that Christ had not yet gone to heaven. Sorry but the theif does not prove that you can get to heaven without baptism. John 19:17 and Luke 23:43 |
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---stephen on 1/14/08 |
Paul said,"Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all. Why are they then baptized for the dead." It appears that Paul is using baptism for the dead as a proof that the resurrection is real, else why do the baptisms. He nowhere says that these types of baptisms are inappropriate, but instead seems to lend them credence by using them as basis for his logical proof. 1 Cor 15:29 |
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---Chris on 1/14/08 |
Baptism was important enough that John the Baptist baptized and Christ was baptized and Christ's apostles baptized. Its importance was taught in multiple scriptures:john 16:16,Luke 7:30,john 3:5,Acts 2:38, Acts 10:48, Titus 3:5, 1Peter 3:21. These scriptures show that it is commanded and that it is necessary to be saved. Who am I to argue that these scriptures are wrong. |
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---Doug on 1/14/08 |
Maria-Water baptism DOES NOT get one into heaven.
Not according to Jesus "Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of" water and the Spirit"(Jhn 3:5) |
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---Ruben on 1/10/08 |
Water baptism DOES NOT get one into heaven. You MUST accept and believe in the sacrifice of God's son for our sins. Must live and walk daily in God's laws and accept the gift of salvation he gives.
NO, you can not be baptised for someone else.
Everyone hears the gospel and makes thier own choice to except it or not. We can only make the choice for ourselves in our own hearts as to whether we will follow Christ or not. |
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---Marla on 1/10/08 |
The moderator's comments are right on. The first catagory would also include Catholic. Neither is scriptural. |
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---Bruce5656 on 4/25/07 |
aptism is an outward show you have accepted Jesus Christ as Savior, that you have been baptised into the church or body of Christ,,
if someone were in the hospital dying, accepted Jesus then died, they would go to Heaven, Jesus said He is the way the truth and the life". 'believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved,, |
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---michele on 9/6/05 |
I am a United Methodist and would like to clear up any misconceptions about infant baptism in the UMC. We do not believe that this act removes sin. It is a ceremony in which the parents/family members of the child and the church promise to raise the child as a Christian. Later on, the child can claim for himself the gift of grace, salvation through Jesus Christ. |
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---annie on 8/21/05 |
Scriptural proof :matt3v15;Ezekiel36;25-26Matt28;19-20Moderator we all know circumstances alter different states & stages.People who rebell do not believe,but this does not change the word of God. |
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---Emcee on 8/21/05 |
Tom, you are soooooooooooooo right..My bad!!! And you know, I knew that too..guess I was suffering from a brain cramp at the time. Thanks so much for the correction. Blessings.!! |
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---Ann5758 on 8/18/05 |
Jesus got baptised to fulfill all righteousness, and we follow him. He Commands us to Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature, and he that believes AND IS BAPTIZED will be saved; but he that believes not will be damned. Mark 16:15,16. The thief on the cross did not reject baptism, else he would not be in paradise, he just could not get baptized for he was nailed to the cross. And No, you cannot vicariously get baptized for a dead person. |
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---Eloy on 8/18/05 |
Ann,
It was Nicodemus he was talking too. The rich young ruler didn't follow because he didn't want to give up his earthly treasure. |
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---Tom145 on 8/17/05 |
Jesus was talking to the rich young ruler when He said that line. The young man was talking to Him about physical birth.."How can a man enter a second time into his mother's womb?" Jesus told him, unless there is a physical birth (water) and a spiritual rebirth, then he cannot enter heaven. Being born of water has nothing to do with baptism. It is the physical birth. |
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---Ann5758 on 8/17/05 |
susan- In John 3:5 "Jesus says truly,truly, I say to you, unless one is born of WATER and the spirit he CANNOT enter the KINGDOM of GOD. 3;22 After teaching on baptism, they went into Judea where the disciples were baptizing. |
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---ruben on 8/17/05 |
No way, on both counts. The theif on the cross never had a chance to be baptised, and yet he was told by Christ, he would be with him. While baptisem is great, and something a Christian should do, if possible, it's not a requirement to go to Heaven. Baptisim is really an expression of an outward testimony concerning an inward transaction, (Accepting Christ as Savoir.) And it is also a promise that as Christ was resurrected, we will also be resurrected.) |
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---WIVV on 8/17/05 |
This misconcption that baptism gets you into heaven should be made Clear.Baptism removes in the case of babies original sin.This enables the child to pass from this world to heaven IF the child should die before the age of reason.2ndly Baptism for the FIRST time removes ALL sin, but does not gain you entrance to heaven.as there are always on going transgressions in the humah being,however, if he/she should die immediately after being baptised he/she will go to heaven as he/she is cleansed of all sin.
Moderator - Please show scriptures. Thanks. |
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---Emcee on 8/17/05 |
The thief on the cross was not baptized, yet he will be in heaven. |
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---Jerry on 8/17/05 |
As we cannot believe for others, we do not baptise for others too.
Our belief in Chirst is what is saving us and not baptisim. |
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---Seble on 8/17/05 |
My friend is Mormon. One night a week she goes to the Temple and is baptized over, over, and over again for dead people. They do this for anyone that has died. Some of our dead relatives could even be on their list. Sick, ain't it????? |
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---Sally on 8/16/05 |
Its as the Moderator says secondly. The LDS believe in this, and also 'celestial marriage' for the dead. Creepy to me, but they trace families back as far as possible and perform these acts so they will all be together in heaven!
If you ever want an accurate family tree done, the Mormons will do it for you. They have files on EVERYONE! |
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---NVBarbara on 8/16/05 |
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