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Adultery By Leaving His Church

If Christ is the groom & the church is the bride. Do we commit adultery by leaving his church for other christian denominations? Because we stray and do not follow ALL his teachings.

Moderator - Spiritually adultery is exactly what the Roman Catholic Church has committed by leaving the church of the scripture and letting their traditions rule over the Bible so therefore you are correct.

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Obviously this question has some merit being B/F even after 3years. I did not agree with the mods then.Jesus created ONE church with apostolic followings teachings .Jesus preached in the fields,towns mountains seashore and synogagues but His message was the same "Follow ME"Be Perfect as your Heavenly Father is Perfect"why B/c you are made to His image and likeness.AVOID SIN He gave us aids to help us.
---Emcee on 4/17/08


Obviously this question has some merit being B/F even after 3years. I did not agree with the mods then.Jesus created ONE church with apostolic followings teachings .Jesus preached in the fields,towns mountains seashore and synogagues but His message was the same "Follow ME"Be Perfect as your Heavenly Father is Perfect"why B/c you are made to His image and likeness.AVOID SIN He gave us aids to help us.
---Emcee on 4/17/08


The church represented in the NT is spiritual church and Christ is rock of this "church" ...it's not a building or a denomination - it's believers in Christ

many are easily swept away by false prophets

If you "strayed" not following "all its teachings" of whatever church you belong God is calling you out of this religious system

Pray asking God to show you HIS TRUTHS ...be patient
---Rhonda on 4/17/08


Pierre::Respecting your integrity as a good Godly man. Lupe always made the distinction it was MY Church which is wrong because I am a Follower or else a disciple. The lead was Jesus Matt16:17-19.I termed Apostacy =to Adultery because of christ and His church quoted as Bride with Jesus the bridegroom.The counter by mod was to rake up the levels of Humanity by rebuttal. Irrevelant when explaining Jesus doctrine which we are concerned not mans failings.Interesting what gave "born again rebirth"
---Emcee on 3/10/08


I am sure many of you are not going to like very much what I am going to say here but think about it first before you blast me. Many of you were very direct in accusing the RCCh of being a prostitute. In that blog I asked why this term was applied to her and the answer can best be summarized by what the moderator says above 'it left scripture for traditions' TBC

Moderator - Also that term came into use due to Revelation Chapters 17 & 18. It's a known fact that a large percentage of the Priests and Nuns have bastard kids because they aren't allowed to marry. They are open about this in Latin America.
---Pierr7958 on 3/10/08




Mod.I do not know from where you get your historical facts.The establishment of civil powers within eccliastical courts was instituted to protect the message & teaching of the church,& repress under civil authority heritics against whom the church placed censures it was founded in 1229 & abolished in 1834.This was the inquisition & mainly attacked by the nobility, & rich of spain.

Moderator - What question are you answering?
---Emcee on 10/1/05


2. I do not like to make comments on anyone's denominatin brother. Some I really haven't studied. Information on this subject is out there for anyone to check if they are sincere in learning the truth. On many questions there is information. We are without excuse. You speak with pride about something that almost everyone already knows about. Remember that almost all came from there and we are not there because we know the difference now. "Do not worship idols" is just one of many.
---lupe2618 on 9/10/05


Brother Emcee, you keep insisting about your church and how it is the only one, so you get comments from others. You open yourself for negative answers from all of us because of your church. All I ask of you is to check for yourself and you make the judgement. Just because you are born a Catholic does not make you right. You have a conscience and do have to answer to God in the end why you didn't find out. You get answers from others but you don't check for yourself. If I was wrong I would sure check.
---lupe2618 on 9/10/05


Mod;What is the church of the scripture?mine was not a question but a reply to your comment.you mention rules & traditions but yet do not cite one,you insist on giving examples of those who have strayed,making reference to human beings like you & I,& call all christians = a flock- but so divided. That does not explain one flock One shepherd.You must admit that the Reformation opened a can of worms,giving rise to so many denominations.The Q&A in blogs is Proof.This is lack of Trust.

Moderator - Prior to the formation of the RC Church in the 4th century, Christians followed the Bible scriptures. The RC Church through the Inquition killed most of the Christians and scattered them further throughout the world. The reformation was Catholic Priests who started reading and understanding the Word of God and realised traditions of men were contradicting the Bible.
---Emcee on 9/9/05


4. Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another." Just as the Apostles were told that, we should love one another so the denomination does not matter, what matters is us as His Church. What happens is that man take pride in their church or denomination. They forget who we are working for. We work for Christ, not the Catholic Church or my church, but Christ's Church. You are either a follower of Christ or a follower of your church. We should live for Christ, and Christ alone.
---lupe2618 on 9/9/05




3. When we were lost, we were blind, now we see and God has taken our chains off. We are not on bondage to sin anymore. If our hearts are humble and we open ourselves to the Spirit we will be doing what is right. It is not about your church or my church, it is about who we are in Christ. Who we are as brothers and sisters. How we can help each other. Edify each other with love. In John 13:34, Jesus tells His apostles right after Judas had walked out from their presence, "A New Command I give you;
---lupe2618 on 9/9/05


2. Satan always seems to get his way many times but remember he is under God's authority. He can only do what God allows him. Only because God has a reason otherwise God would have done with him already. God's Word was going to go out no matter what. I am not saying only the Catholic Church is bad but many are too. It is up to us as Christians to learn more about Him and live our life's as He would want us to live. God gives us everything for us to learn, and to be wise.
---lupe2618 on 9/9/05


Brother Emcee, it would have been great if what you said was good but the Catholic Church had been doing a lot of things wrong and if you check the history of it you will find out how corrupted it was and in many ways still is. Bringing Scripture to others allowed the people themselves to read and learn from God, not from a system that had it their way for many years and look at what it has done through the years. The last pope asking for forgiveness to Israel was for the wrong they did against them.
---lupe2618 on 9/9/05


Moderator of 7/9;Are you trying to judge the RCC on the basis of a few defaulters,who incidentally were human & prone to sin & make mistakes,are you ready to throw the baby away with the bath water???Jesus came to set up a New Covenant & lucifer has been trying to disembowell this Doctrine since its very onset.The RCChas stood the test of time persecution false sooth sayers & other denominations some true, misled, misguided, but his church still stands strong & inviolate indestructable.

Moderator - What is the specific question?
---Emcee on 9/8/05


Lupe:In your endeavour to explain yourself your voluminous texts lack one facet.You see the Reformation did not do us any Good as it has created so many various denominations,& was the rift that satan needed to drive a wedge, in true christianity under the guise that all people should interpret the Bible.It suited his purpose; there is a saying divide & rule& this was his aspiration. He used the ploy of choice to gain his ends.But Jesus's words hold fast one flock one shepherd.

Moderator - True Christians and Christ = one flock and one shepherd. Emcee, do you really know the history of the Catholic church? If you did, you would realise many of the main doctrines are against the Bible and scripture and are for man made rules and traditions.
---Emcee on 9/7/05


Mod: In answer to your statement of 29/8, the choice is yours,--but if you are wrong what then-your choice or Jesus's words.The Catholic Church has withstood the test of time & his statement stands firm I shall be with you even till the end of the world--this is so true from the time of His Resurection.ONE flock ONE shepherd.

Moderator - Emcee, what is your question? Your comments are open ended.
---Emcee on 9/7/05


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Brother Emcee, I agree that you and others have a problem with OSAS. I also did once. Now I don't. If someone has doubts about it, if they are going to make it or not it must be terrible. Until I got on this blogs I had no idea how many don't believe in it. It's almost the same as the Witnesses who have to earn credit for the hours they put in. Of course they have a great system of witnessing, better then Christians but their faith is a false faith. They do more for a lie then we do for the Truth.
---lupe2618 on 9/7/05


Brother Emcee, I want to also state that the way I believe Scripture tells us is, that no one that is lost can have a true love for Christ. Please don't think I believe you are not saved. I only answer the questions as best as I can. I know or feel you do have a love for Christ just in your answers. You are a great person and a gentlemen. My statements or in no way to hurt you in anyway. I read all you put down and understand how you feel. Thanks
---lupe2618 on 9/3/05


3. them on what they said was truth in the beginning. For instance Vatican 1 compared to Vatican 11. they made a lot of changes that you are anyone don't know about. The reformation did turn out better cause it open Scripture for others to read on their own but did cause an abondance of denominations. That was the fear the Catholic Church was afraid of. The Church of Christ is the body of believers and Jesus is the Head of His Church. Not the Catholic Church as you and others are made to believe.
---lupe2618 on 8/31/05


2. This brothers I know love the church and wait for changes, but the trouble with that is, even if the church changes, they don't tell the people. If they do, they will admit they are not infallible. What they taught before was false so they don't let everyone in on what they vote inside the church. They keep the flock unaware of their doings in the church. The reformation did a great thing and that it gave the people access to Scripture, something that Rome did not want. It would expose
---lupe2618 on 8/31/05


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Hello brother Emcee, I just wanted to say that I have a lot of respect for you because you have been kind in answering and I can see that you love your church very much. I beleive sister Dory and brother Bob are so correct in everything they have put down. I know a lot about the Catholic church but do try to stay out of many questions on it because I do have friends and brothers and sisters in the church. They have made a commitment to the Lord and are born again.
---lupe2618 on 8/31/05


Pt1
There couldn't be "One Shepherd, one flock" as per your interpretation, because we live in a fallen world. Given the opportunity to live in an environment where God's perfect Will reigned, yes, we would have a One Shepherd, one flock, one "denomination" church. However, that denomination could never be Roman Catholic for several reasons, not the least of which is the foundation on which the RCC was built. (Matthew 7:24-26 indicates the importance of a solid foundation.)
---DoryLory_&_Bob on 8/29/05


Pt2
Another problem with the RCC ... religious traditions.

"... YOU nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. You hypocrites!" (Matthew 15:6,7)

Also, the Bible states (several times) that "EVERY matter must be established by two or three witnesses" (2 Corinthians 13:1). This is the safety in ensuring that Scripture is not taken out of context. Every verse must be backed up elsewhere in Scripture at least 2 or 3 more times.
---DoryLory_&_Bob on 8/29/05


Pt3
Which brings me to the RCC interpretation of Matthew 16:18. I gave you two other ways that verse could be interpreted. Therefore ... considering odds alone ... your interpretation has at the most, a 1/3 chance of being accurate. But where are your back-up verses? You must use Scripture to interpret Scripture. You can't take one verse and decide it's meaning without having other verses to prove your point.
---DoryLory_&_Bob on 8/29/05


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Pt4
Next I want to mention a time when there will be one "denomination" (for point purposes) on the earth and that time will be during the Millenium. Quoting my study Bible: "God's purpose for the Millennium is to establish one thousand years of divine government on this earth."

Jesus, Himself, will govern the earth for 1,000 years.
---DoryLory_&_Bob on 8/29/05


Pt5
Now wouldn't it seem logical, if the Roman Catholic Church truly was God's "chosen" church, that God would choose Rome to be the center of the earth during His Millenial reign? But the Bible makes it clear that it will be Jerusalem ... NOT Rome.

If the RCC is God's chosen church, why is He not returning to establish His Millenial reign in Rome?
---DoryLory_&_Bob on 8/29/05


Lory& Bob: What ever took place in the dark ages has it altered the teachings of Jesus & the Instituition he built,& promised to be with at all times till the end of the world.Is His desires being fulfilled?,Many good people have been steered away from the faith but the devils intervention & he knows that the choice is the link by which he can cause confusion.All that is required is to go back one flock One shepard.

Moderator - If I interpet one flock and One sheperd as Catholics do, then we can become a Mormon, JW or any type of cult.
---Emcee on 8/29/05


Pt1
Jesus would say that God blesses according to the truth that is known (John 8:32). It is the truth a person knows that brings blessing & freedom to one's life. Because truth is learned, each individual will be at a different level in their Christian faith.

Compare this to the Dark Ages, which came upon the world for 1,000 years largely because the Roman Catholic Church decided that the common person was not capable of interpreting the Word of God for themselves.
---DoryLory_&_Hubby_Bob on 8/28/05


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Pt2
After the Roman empire's military dominance of the world fell apart, they created a religion merging Christianity with their ancient Roman pagan traditions in order to control the world through religion and keep the power in Rome. The Dark Ages began when the Roman Empire took control of Christianity in the 400's and not until the reformation in the early 1500's was God's blessing released back on mankind.
---DoryLory_&_Hubby_Bob on 8/28/05


Pt3
This is what Jesus says - "If you abide in My word [hold fast to My teachings and live in accordance with them], you are truly My disciples. And you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free." (John 8:31, 32 Amplified Bible)

People must have freedom to interpret the Bible for themselves. History, itself, reveals that to do otherwise causes cursing and hardship.
---DoryLory_&_Hubby_Bob on 8/28/05


It is the duty of every law abiding & God fearing man to point,what may be considered to be false.God had however given each individual his free will,whether due to lack of knowledge difference of opinion one must,make a choice.What is sad, is the fact that while searching for the truth, aided by the bible,which is tradition handed down by Jesus Himself, one has to agree to disagree,Is this one flock? what would Jesus say.
---Emcee on 8/28/05


Jesus MAY have told Peter to 'lead the sheep' that were saved during their ministry together.HE in NO instance even hinted that Peter was a Pope,or better than any other.Its a ploy of the RCC to have someone that they portray as 'God's mouthpiece.'Sheep follow, goats have to be pushed along to believe such nonsence.Wasn't it "Pious"who resigned as pope due to his allegence to Hitler?MANY of the artifacts and artwork in the Vatican was traded to hide Nazis there,and other secret RC places.
---NVBarbara on 8/28/05


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Huh? I asked a simple question. How can I be twisting your words?

One flock is one Body ... those who are born-again. That is His church.
---DoryLory on 8/27/05


Genesis 32:28
In the Old testament the Children of Israel stared with Jocab, who was renamed Israel. In the NT they were called Jews.Jesus started the Christain Church. He sent the HS Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: buy tarry you in the city of Jerusalem, until you be endued with power from on high. Denominations are man made.
---Ulrika on 8/27/05


Anon:No man has the right to address another with vile epitets.much less a pastor,but then he again is human, & his transgression.What Church do you belong to?
This should not keep you away from your church.He can also be reported.Any person who points a finger has 3 others pointing back at him/her.Blessings on you.
---Emcee on 8/27/05


"DID I say that"Lory Dory:You are twisting my words.How can the interpretation of the bible have 2 different meanings.If so does that give rise to confusion.however getting back to the point.One Flock & one shepherd, to me means ONE.Not several & multitudinous sects,as is so evident.which raises the????
Pierre I am glad all's well in christendom as you say.Glad I misenterpreted the verbal affray in the previous Blog.Peace!!
---Emcee on 8/27/05


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When I left my church, my pastor called me a whore for leaving. There were just too many things going on in there and I did not want to be a part of that mess. To this day he denies it.
I no longer attend church.
---anon on 8/27/05


Emcee - Are you saying that *you* (as a Catholic) have a right to interpret Scripture but *I* (as a non-Catholic) do not?
---DoryLory on 8/26/05


I beg to differ. Even though Eloy and I don't agree very often I do not feel slighted in the least! I have no problem with Eloy. He is ok as a person although a bit slow seeing things my way! (Ha!)
---Pierr7958 on 8/26/05


Ulrika:so why is the flock so divided.Even Pierre & Eloy cant agree Eloy feels superior Pierre feels slighted.SAD!!!People quote the bible but dont live it.
---Emcee on 8/26/05


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Christian faith- Galatians 3:26 For you are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having my own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
---Ulrika on 8/26/05


Emcee, Jesus still is the good shepherd. John 10:11-16,27-29. Those people who believe in Jesus are part of his fold.
Jesus did tell Peter to feed his sheep. John 21:15-17
Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he has purchased with his own blood.
Jesus sent the Holy Spirit, the comforter. HS gave power to believers. John 14:16,26 / 16:7,13 / 20:21-23 Acts 1:4-8
---Ulrika on 8/26/05


Lory Dory:Limiting Jesus to one denomination?: Jesus words "one flock One shepherd"If you read my answer on25/8 My interpretation is that Jesus is transfering his authority to Peter whom he asks to look after his flock which is his church his undertaking and this is why he came down to establish for all humanity. HE is the way the truth & the light he who believes in me will have eternal LIFE. There are no other explainations satan has tried since Genesis to disrupt Almighty Gods Plans.

Moderator - Correct, Christ is the shepherd. Emcee did you know that many of the Popes were not Christians. Did you know that many of the Popes bought the office with money. Surely you are not saying these people were the shepherd of true Christians?
---Emcee on 8/26/05


Pt1
Emcee - Consider the limitlessness of God. He had no beginning, He has no end. His creative power is limitless (demonstrated by the fact that scientists discovered the universe is still growing and increasing to this day). When Jesus was on the earth the number of His miracles was limitless (John 21:25). Gods' divine knowledge is limitless (Isaiah 40:28), His wisdom is limitless (Romans 11:33). And you want to limit Him to one denomination?
---DoryLory on 8/26/05


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Pt2
In the OT, God divided the Israelites into 12 tribes. He also confused the languages and scattered the people at the Tower of Babel. Clearly He doesn't want His people in one "group." There is safety in different denominations. For one thing it prevents man from setting a person in the place of God. It also offers a measure of protection from tyrants seeking world-wide control.
---DoryLory on 8/26/05


Pt3
Another reason is found in Ephesians 3:10 where it talks about the manifold wisdom in God's word. God wisdom is "many-sided" and has varied layers. This is why it is open to interpretation. We all interpret the Word a little differently depending on where we are spiritually and which "group" we belong to.
---DoryLory on 8/26/05


Pt4
This is clearly seen in your comment about how you interpret Matthew 16:18. Catholics believe Peter was the rock Jesus was talking about, others believe Jesus Himself is the Rock and indeed He is. But if you look at this passage you will note that Jesus is really talking about "revealed knowledge." He told Peter, because of the revelation you have received from God Himself, you are a blessed man.
---DoryLory on 8/26/05


Pt5
The revelation we receive makes us strong people of faith. When a passage or verse comes "alive" to us, the truth in it will never leave us. We become solid in our faith ... like a rock. This is what I believe Jesus was talking about when He told Peter "on this rock I will build my church, & the gates of Hades will not overcome it." When you have a revelation from God, Satan has no power over you in that area.

One verse, three interpretations -- God cannot be limited.
---DoryLory on 8/26/05


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I don't agree with the person who spoke about leaving one denomination for another is like adultry.
Especially with reference to the Catholic church.
They ( the Catholic church) never was a church of the scripture.
---Angelia on 8/26/05


Emcee, I believe in the Lord's supper too. Matthew 26:26-29 Mark 14:22-25 1Corinthians 11:20-34
---Ulrika on 8/25/05


Mod the choice is yours just remember the RCCis a on going & growing institution,its not Dormant we are talking Traditions notindividuals transgressions.

Moderator - "talking Traditions not individuals transgressions." I don't understand what you are saying. Could you please explain more clearly. Thanks.
---Emcee on 8/25/05


Matthew 16:18...That thou art Peter, and this rock I will build my church; It does not say RCC and it does not call Peter a Pope. Did you read all the scriptures I wrote in this blog and in the blog about Babylon? Christ is the Rock, the head of the body, the church. 1Corinthians 10:4 Ephesians 5:23 Colossians 1:18
---Ulrika on 8/25/05


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NVBarb:Thank you!Jesus found 12 Apostles But the crowds followed him to learn his doctrine & listen to his words of wisdom.Yes he said not to judge the heart of a person even typical.Read MattCH7v1-27
---Emcee on 8/25/05


Mod: define spiritual adultery,is it in scripture?what is the church of the scripture?what traditions rule over the bible in the RCC.please reply.Was this church of the scripture instituted by Christ.if so where is it in the NT

Moderator - Emcee, do you really want me to list the RCC traditions that take place over scripture? If you are serious, I will really take the time to answer your question. Please let me know.
---Emcee on 8/25/05


Ulrika:As I said my interpretation that the church founded by Jesus Was the same one when he said"Thou art Peter& upon this ROCK (Himself)I shall build my church & the gates of hell shall not prevail against it,feed my lambs feed my sheep"This transalates to me as being the same church Or Body that has been nutured By Peter & his successors till this day, This is in scripture as also he who eats my body & drinks my blood I live in him & he in me.So there is no arguement just enlightenment.
---Emcee on 8/25/05


(Contd)every one has his freedom of choice,as is amply illustrated,but profaning the body Of Christ is not one that we should resort to, this is slander,What I fail to understand christians are so ready to uphold the scripture But at the same time disagree eg about the sabbath.That was a commandment.people talk about traditions& judge the church of Jesus on the basis of a few fallen sinners.forgetting the good that is being done Many are called but few are chosen.
---Emcee on 8/25/05


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Mod & all;Posting this blog was not meant to raise an Arguement,but to allow each to search their own hearts.Scripture is important PROVIDED it is followed in toto.unfortunately as we are human & do transgress each one of of us has different conclusions.That is why today we have so many divergent christian Denominations.
Christ called us to be one flock & he the one shepherd.If you follow the blogs you see,different opinions based on the same scruipture.I am sure this is not what he intended.
---Emcee on 8/25/05


Ulrike: on Rom 14:5
first notice: neither v5 or v6 mention worship or the Sabbath. They simply talk about A DAY. Now it tells us that they are
discussing 'doubful matters' Obviously the 7th day Sabbath was and is not a doubful matter. Now read v 6 and you will see that the issue is again abbout feast days, and which day merited to be feast day.
---Pierr7958 on 8/25/05


The perverters of the truth wanted to inculcate the ceremonial laws at the church of Galatia such as circumcision etc. By doing this, the Jews were in fact eclipsing Christ and His atoning work.
So, once again it is in opposition of the reintroduction of the ceremonial laws + feast days that the passage speaks to.
---Pierr7958 on 8/25/05


Ulrike: On Gal. 4:8-10
The Galatian believers who had formerly been pagans addicted to ritualistic worship were being seduced by Jewish converts in the church to revert to the ceremonial, legalistic forms of religion in place of knowing and obeying Christ from thr heart.
TBC
---Pierr7958 on 8/25/05


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Emcee, I have been backing up what I say with scripture. You can not back up with scripture what you said, "RCC founded by Jesus". It is true we are to love one another, that does not mean we are to go along with false doctrine.
---Ulrika on 8/25/05


Ulrike: The text in COL is ref. to sabbaths feast days. Notice "which are of things to come..." = ref to JCh's coming and when He came He put an end to feast-sabbath.
---Pierr7958 on 8/25/05


Galatians 4:9 But now, after that you have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn you again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto you desire again to be in bondage? 10 You observe days, and months, and times, and years.
Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6-11.
---Ulrika on 8/25/05


Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath. Luke 6:5
Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
---Ulrika on 8/25/05


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How can it be adultery if a church is not teaching true doctrine. Many churches out there not only teaching wrong doctrine, but refusing the truth as well. 2 Timothy 2:15, states to rightly divide the word of truth. The moderator memtioned the RCC, look at 1 Timothy 2:5, where does the Pope fit in here? How could leaving RCC be concidered adultery when they elevate the Pope as they do? God and his word needs to be the final authority, not a man or the Pope.

Moderator - Being in the Catholic Church would be the problem geraa7578. You quoted what I said backwards.
---geraa7578 on 8/25/05


Ulrika:
TBC = to be continued
Christ is your Sabbath, please esplain.
---Pierr7958 on 8/25/05


So typical Emcee post a question just for an argument. Jesus found people who followed Him, NOT a denomination! He DID NOT start nor sanction the RCC, He taught love and forgiveness. Partly correct Emcee, we are not to judge the heart of a person as to whether they will be in heaven or hell.However we are supposed to judge false doctrine and the fruit produced. The RCC fruit is rotton.
---NVBarbara on 8/25/05


Christ is our sabath.
What does TBC stand for?
There is church a building.
There is Christ's church, the body of believers in Christ.
---Ulrika on 8/25/05


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Some so-called christian denominations are not really christian, but every real Christian denomination is Christ's church. Every church that uses the authentic Holy Scriptures like the KJV or older, and worships only Christ as the only Savior, and believes in the power of the Holy Spirit with signs following is the true Church.
---Eloy on 8/25/05


Contd;-Charity is a gift of the HS& it is sad, it is not used more freely"Love one another as I have loved you"There are defaulters in all walks of life. But the organisation is NOT, & should NOT, be counted as false."He who eats my body & drinks my blood, I live in him & He in me & this is enacted at the Mass solemnly & is not tradition but a Following of a command."Oh ye of little faith"The enemy works24/7 to discredit the RCC founded by Jesus but it still grows & grows.

Moderator - Because we do love people that is why scripture is quoted. Please read the Bible for answers because Jesus himself cursed the traditions of the religious system. Don't believe everything that you are told, please read the Bible.
---Emcee on 8/24/05


Mod & all:Judge not, that you may be judged.by the same judgement that is meted out by you.We are all in some form sinners,it is true that some have fallen from grace,& you are ready to cast the first stone.However the conclusion is that the church which Jesus founded has withstood the test of time & is growing as he said it was.The arch enemy has a tricky way of misleading even those who read the scriptures as is so evident from the blogs & views put forward by your readers.(contd)

Moderator - Scripture says to daily test against the scripture and to look out for false teachers and false prophets. Please turn the remarks against Christ not us for speaking the scriptures.
---Emcee on 8/24/05


1Timothy 4:1-6 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron: 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
---Ulrika on 8/24/05


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Christ is the head of the church. Ephesians 1:22,23 / 4:11-16 / 5:23,24,32 Colossians 1:18-24 And he is the head of the body, the church: Romans 12:4,5 We become members of the body by receiving the gift of salvation through faith in Jesus. Ephesians 2:4-10 We believe he is God the Son who came and died and rose again. John 3:16 Colossians 1:19-24 / 2:7-9 1Thessalonians 5:8
---Ulrika on 8/24/05


Although you and I have some different doctrine we live by Pierre, I always appreciate your input. You are a gentleman and a man who loves God. My brother and sister in law are SDA and we have had some GREAT prayer times together. ALL renegades from the RCC! God bless you brother.
---NVBarbara on 8/24/05


As for your other remark Mod., what a crime to be in such an 'organization!' What you say is true.However, even worse than that is the incest that continues to go on in the RCC!The big case in Mass. was just the tip of the iceberg.Its a FACT,if a priest is found doing this, he is just moved to another parish unless charges are brought. We had a priest in the parish I grew up in that suddenly got transferred just 100 miles away.Less that 1 month later he was found beaten to death.I can have no pity.
---NV_Barbara on 8/24/05


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