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Were Dinosaurs On The Ark

Were dinosaurs on the Ark? If not, how did they arrive? Also does anyone have an explanation to who or "what" cavemen where and when they were actually here? (I am a FIRM believer of creation, NOT evolution, just unclear on the answers to those questions).

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No Dinosuars were not on the ark. Dinosaurs are over a million years old. Dinosaurs would be between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2
---RickyB on 10/20/08


Mark: Dinosaurs were simply large lizards that grew and grew for many years, perhaps even 900 prior to the flood. The Bible says 6 Days and does not say Millions of Years. Radiometrc dating is flawed and is valid only for a few hundred years. Anything dated by more that a few hundred years using radiometric dating is subject to wide extremes in values and unreliable and unverifiable.
---SeventhSeal on 11/13/07


I would argue that dinosaurs were NOT on the ark. Dinosaurs were long gone by the time Noah came to be and dinosaurs were not present on the earth after the great flood. I too, am a firm believer in creation - and the presence of dinosaurs does not contradict the teachings of the bible.
---Mark on 11/13/07


Yes, Dinosaurs were on the Ark. Lizards grow as long as they live. Hyperbaric conditions existed before the flood and thus animals lived longer, were protected from solar radiation, and had higher oxygen concentrations to grow. God did not require full grown specimens. A whole lot easier to fit all the animals onto the Ark if they are babies rather than full grown behemoths.
---SeventhSeal on 11/13/07


MikeM, I have just spotted comment re: dinosaur teeth on a different blog. I'm not sure why you did that unless it was to attract my attention because you thought I had left this one. You were right - I had left this one but in answer to your comment, yes, they had big teeth - FACT. Everything that God created He did with an eye to the future. That is why some (who would later migrate to hotter countries) had more melanin in their skin. God gave all that was necessary in those first six DAYS.
---RitaH on 11/13/07




Alan, I said 'very young' not 'new-born'.
---RitaH on 11/13/07


"All animals (including humans) were vegetarians prior to the flood, after which God 'changed the menu'"
So the lions did not have tearing teeth, and the albatross did not circle the Antarctic to catch its fish, and the mosquito did not bite to get fluid from its host, nor did the woodpecker or the anteater eat ants, and it is only since the flood that swifts and bats lost their ability to land on the ground, so now have to catch insects whilst in flight.
---alan_of_UK on 11/10/07


"The dinosaurs that were on the ark (which were probably very young) would not have desired to eat the other animals."
How then did they eat? If they were so young, they would have needed their mothers, but they were not there being so large
---alan_of_UK on 11/10/07


They do not create unique new genetic information." New genetic information is necessary for someone like Neandertal to have evolved. Evolution provides no mechanism for which this new information could ever evolve.

Neandertal remains an icon for human evolution.
---Bob on 11/10/07


A pre-Adamic race on earth.
The Bible says that God told Adam and Eve to 'replenish the earth.'

The verse you are referring to is found in the King James Version in Genesis 1:28: ''And God blessed them, and God said unto them, be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth"
---Bob on 11/10/07




Supporters of people before Adam to accommodate 'millions of years' point to this verse. 'Gap theory', pre-Adamic people who were destroyed by the 'Lucifer's flood.'

Existence of man before Adam would mean death before Adam. 1 Corinthians 15:21-22, "For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all shall be made alive."
---Bob on 11/10/07


If the Bible is not correct for you, about death as a result of our sin in Adam, then how could you, MM, believe it to be correct about salvation in the second Adam, Jesus Christ?

There lies your problem, for you it is a book of parables and stories.
---Bob on 11/10/07


Some say, pre-Adamic race and Cain married one of them. Bible says Adam was the first man (1 Corinthians 15:45), Eve was the mother of all living (Genesis 3:20).

Another argument, Genesis 4:14. Cain was fearful of vengeance from others. They say, where did people come from for Cain to be fearful of? Adam and Eve had other sons and daughters who undoubtedly had other sons and daughters. Adam lived to be 930 years old (Genesis 5:5), before the Flood life spans were much longer.
---Bob on 11/10/07


Adams sin brought Gods curse and the corruption and decay that we see in the world today (Romans 1:22).

The gene pool was not corrupted in the beginning.
Sin caused genetic problems, mutations. It is illogical to think that mutations cause evolution. In fact, the more time, the more likely mutations will cause more harmful, crippling problems.
---Bob on 11/10/07


Neandertal people, descendents of Adam and Eve. Eve, "mother of all the living" (Genesis 3:20). The rickets found in the bones are reasonable in an environment after the Flood. The weather patterns, of an ice age lasting a few hundred years is evident in the geologic record and very reasonable according to Biblical history. People were probably forced into caves prohibiting them from obtaining necessary sun. Dietary limitations would have prevented good nutrition.
---Bob on 11/10/07


These skeletons remains an enigma to evolutionists. Where did Neandertal come from? Evolutionists attempt to explain him with such mechanisms as the founder principle, geographic isolation and genetic recombination. "Bones of Contention" says, "While these are legitimate processes, they are not evolutionary processes.
---Bob on 11/10/07


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Mike said: "Simply put, is science against scripture(God), or is science a method of understanding Gods creation?"

It's not science agains Scripture but against interpretations of the Scriptures. Some people take the Bible, read it and take it ad literam. It's not that straight forwards.

These are the sola scriptura people who are obsessed by the Bible.

I agree with Mike that science is a method of understanding God's creations.
---Caring on 11/9/07


KYLA:Perhaps Noah took the baby ones because the adults would not fit in the Ark.I know he released them in Canada alberta in what is called the Bad lands,this is where they lived & became fossilized Rocks in the ice age.They died because they had no food to eat trees dont grow on ice.Isn't that sad?But if you go to the Tyrell Museum they have their Skeletons there.It was before my Time Honest.
---Emcee on 11/9/07


Simply put, is science against scripture(God), or is science a method of understanding Gods creation?

As to the flood, there were many 'floods' Noahs regional flood was probably due to melting ice sheets at the end of the last Ice age.

To say there were no 'meat eaters' before say 3,000 BC is really a denial of objective reality and not a valid endorsement of real faith.
---MikeM on 11/9/07


Rita, (I am a humble man, as to understanding someday I will graduate to first grade. As to vocabulary I thought I had 'toned it down' and refrained from most Jargon. How I am "belittling" I am unaware of) My point is as always I see no conflict between science and scripture, unless one completly, totally rejects objectivity as completly 'of man'.
---MikeM on 11/9/07


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Nurse Robert, please see my reply to Mike M for scriptural evidence BUT ignore the type - I obviously meant vege[t]arianism.
---RitaH on 11/9/07


Mike M. Where did I learn about it? The bible of course. Genesis 1: 29, 30 and 31 (vegegarianism) for man and animals. Genesis 9: 3 (meat now allowed - after the flood) for man and animals. Leave it or believe it but please cease using your ego and big words to try to belittle those of us who have faith in God's Word over man's.
---RitaH on 11/9/07


Caveman-What does that refer to? Neanderthals, cro-magnon man? Most of man kind never lived caves. The great paintings in Lasuex France, 20,000 BC with all the depictions of ice age animals were never 'lived in.'

As to unicorns, if you see one, never play leap-frog with it.

As to evolution/creation-I fail to see the conflict, its all a false dictonomy.
---MikeM on 11/8/07


Strongaxe: A few years later I heard that a creature just like it had been sold to Barnum+Bailey, and I presume that it was the same one.

I actually saw that animal at the circus. Looked well fed and happy to me..
---NurseRobert on 11/7/07


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Rita said: All animals (including humans) were vegetarians prior to the flood,

Where did you get that information???
---NurseRobert on 11/7/07


RitaH, Your understanding of palentology and animal morphography is most interesting. At an ice age archeological site in Oregon there is a camp site where early Americans hunt mammoths, There is another on in So Cal where a mammoth was slaughtered for food. Both sites are late pliesticine. Where did you learn about cro-magnon vegitarianism?
---MikeM on 11/7/07


Adam, Your understanding of fossils and geological stratification is interesting. From what geological strata that corresponds with Noah, (Circa 300BC) do you also find dinosaur fossils? World wide-speciation from 3000BC on would have to be rather rapid, to say the least. The geologic column is rather consistant, so how do you explain dinosaurs with Noah?
---MikeM on 11/7/07


Please, please, PLEASE. There were NO dinosaurs on the ark!

They were extinct long before that!
---Nancy on 11/7/07


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RitaH,

Well herbivores have teeth for grinding like cows. Carnivores have teeth for ripping flesh like cats. How do you know God changed the menu, and if he did what did he do so the carnivores could kill and eat. Did he use evolution?

Also did Noah load up the Ark with billions of petri dishes of bacteria?
---matthew on 11/7/07


MikeM,

I agree. I think we'd all be a lot better off accepting the story of the flood as a metaphor we can learn from, rather than fighting the irrationality of it. If we accept it on faith then there are a whole lot of other things in the world that won't make sense.

I cannot think that God gave us brains not to think with.
---matthew on 11/7/07


All animals (including humans) were vegetarians prior to the flood, after which God 'changed the menu'. The dinosaurs that were on the ark (which were probably very young) would not have desired to eat the other animals.
---RitaH on 11/7/07


Adam,
"Were the dinosaurs carnivores or herbivores. If they were carnivores wouldn't they have eaten all the rest of the animals soon after things dried up."

The only probable way that they were on the ark is that if they were baby dinosaurs. I'm sure that if they were carnivores then Noah had someway to feed them. There is no record of HOW he kept the animals apart in the ark.
---Adam on 11/7/07


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Dinosaurs died out about 65 million years ago. Noah's flood was a regional flood- evidence exists that massive flooding at the end of the pliesticine, as the ice sheets melted led to floods. There is evidence for many floods over millions of years. Perhaps the flood story is a metaphor for God's judgement, and redemption.
---MikeM on 11/7/07


Not sure about dinosaurs but Noah made a mistake for taking in flies, mosquitos, cockroaches and mice. Wish he left those boring things out.
---Caring on 11/7/07


Adam:

I have actually seen a "unicorn" once. It was at a renaissance faire in the '80s. Someone had taken a goat kid, and transplanted the two horn buds to the center of its forehead, so by the time it reached adulthood it had one large horn in the center of its forehead. It looked miserable.

A few years later I heard that a creature just like it had been sold to Barnum+Bailey, and I presume that it was the same one.
---StrongAxe on 11/7/07


It has always been my belief that dinosaurs are described in the book of Job 40:17 etc.

Growing up out in West Texas we would have animals die, and decompose, and in a few years you never knew where they died.

Scientist are always uncovering large dinosaurs. Just "thanking like an ol' farm boy", those dinosaurs must have died and been covered up fast by the flood. Does that make sense to you city folks?

Lord bless each of you,
---trey on 11/6/07


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Adam,

Were the dinosaurs carnivores or herbivores. If they were carnivores wouldn't they have eaten all the rest of the animals soon after things dried up.

And by the way, there are tens of thousands of bird species, did Noah just get one bird type, or did he collect them all? Or did all the other species evolve from just one pair of birds after the flood?
---matthew on 11/6/07


You can believe in both Creation and Evolution: just because God created everything in the same time span, doesn't mean He wanted everything to live on Earth at the same time.


The dinosaurs came before almost all mammals.

Cavemen were Cro-Magnons (basically, us, with a few tweaks) and Neanderthals. Odds are we killed off the Neanderthals.

Extinction--it's what we do.

Oh, and unicorns are goats with horn malformations. But unicorn horn is usually narwhal horn.
---Nancy on 11/6/07


What I'm wondering is why it matters whether or not dinosaurs were on the ark.
---John1944 on 11/6/07


Adam: Here I thought there were really such things as Unicorns.....you just burst my bubble. oh well.
---sue on 11/6/07


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Rebecca:

Um...there are no such things as unicorns. There's no Easter Bunny or Tooth Fairy either, sorry. All those verses refer to an ox. We still have oxen today. Nice try.

As for dinosaurs being on the ark, that's easy. All they need is 2 baby dinosaurs, that will grow up and reproduce. Where does it say 2 adults of every species?
---Adam on 11/6/07


Rebecca: That is so cool! I didn't know unicorns were in the Bible! Thankyou.
---sue on 11/6/07


I think that the dinosaurs missed the ark, that is why we don't see them. I believe that cave man is a small group of people, who lived apart from others. "Hippies" of the day. I'm not a beilever of carbon dating, I think it has flawes. But these are just my opinions.
---Laure5469 on 11/6/07


My own theory is that dinasours were in existence prior to Adam, in the pre-Adamite, civilization. However, I have no proof, this is my own thought on the matter.
---Cynthia_1 on 3/24/07


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Unicorns are in the bible. Ps 92:6,10, Deu 33:17, Job 39:9-12, Num 23:22, 24:8, Isa 34:7. so from reading this we know that they are not a fantasy creature made up from one's imagination. Now dinosaurs had to have been alive at some point, because of all the bones they have found and are now museums.
---Rebecca_D on 3/23/07


I believe that Adam and Eve were created as very intelligent beings and that they knew much more than the cavemen who came after them knew. Much information would have been lost and had to be rediscovered just like in the last 100 years or so scientists have discovered things about health and hygeine which the children of Israel were told in the wilderness thousands of years ago. Yes dinosaurs would have been on the ark, baby ones I guess.
---Xanthi on 3/23/07


Unicorns were fantasy creatures, made up in someone's imagination. The dinosaurs were on the earth and wiped out in the worldwide flood. Dinosaur eggs could have been taken onto the ark and later hatched, but the post-flood climate of the earth was hostile to the huge creatures, and they died out. Check Institute for Creation Research or Answers in Genesis.
---Doug on 9/3/05


Has any one ever found an unicorn skull? I don't think so. there are at least dino bones. I did hear a song by a Irish singer once though about the unicorns were playing and not listening to God when he told them to board the ark so missed it, that was what your question brought to my mind.
---Laureen on 9/3/05


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Laura, is that why we dont have any unicorns??
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---Nurse_Robert on 8/26/05


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