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Are You Saved

Are you saved? Mankind dissed God (Romans 5:12-14,19). The Roman Road reunites us (Romans 10:9-13). We must believe (AGREE) in Jesus to be saved (John 3:16,36). Have you admitted your sin separation from God, and asked Jesus to forgive and Save you? Let him enter your heart and life and take over.

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#4. I have seen how you answered Helen. You don't like her methods when she answers the Catholics. She is correct. She might not do it all the time with kindness, but she has it correct. I don't agree with Rebecca either, but I know she doesn't understand the intrinsities of each part of Scripture. I know her heart is right with God. Many others here you can tell they have their own purpose and it is not for God. Let me assure you, I don't believe you are one of them. I might be wrong.
---Mark_V. on 11/21/07


#3. You are not a threat as they are. You just don't know. You make friends with everyone, agree with the Catholics, agree with the Seventh Day people, maybe even most protestant believers. I am not here to make friends Alan, I am here to teach whoever wants to learn. If they don't that is ok with me. I have no control who God will enlighten with His word. I don't have a problem as you say we do. You might have one, but I sure don't.
---Mark_V. on 11/21/07


He who endures to the end are the true believers Greyrider. You imply that Matthew 10:22 is talking about true believers who lose salvation. That is not the case. That passage is speaking about the tribulation times, far ahead of the immidiate mission of the disciples. That period of time that procedes Christ second coming, which is mentioned in verse 23. In verse 19, he mentions to believers he is talking to, that they will be delivered and not to worry about how or what to they should say or speak.
---Mark_V. on 11/20/07


#2. For to them, "the believers" he says, "For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak, for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you." Then he goes on to explain what is going to happen during the tribulation time. We know of this message because Matthew mentions it again in Matthew 24:9-13. "But he who endures to the end shall be saved"
---Mark_V. on 11/20/07


#3. The one's who preservere are the same one's who are saved-not the one's who's love grows cold (verse 12). This does not suggest that our perserverence secures our salvation. Scripture is clear and teaches precisely the opposite: God as part of His saving work, secures our perserverance. True believers "are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation" 1 Peter 1:5.
---Mark_V. on 11/20/07




#4. The guarantee of our perseverance is build into the New Covenant promise where God say's, "I will put My fear in their hearts so that they will not depart from Me" (Jer. 32:19). Those who do fall away from Christ give conclusive proof that they were never truly believers to begin with, spoken of in 1 John 2:19. God keeps us through faith, and many times warns us to hold on to that faith, which are means God uses to secure our perserverance in the faith.
---Mark_V. on 11/20/07


Matthew 10:22 - "He who endures to the end shall be saved" This and other passages speak of salvation in the future, "will be saved" "shall be saved" "being saved". From a purely Scriptural standpoint, salvation is a lifelong process. If you turn away, you can lose your salvation. Again, Matthew 10:22
---Greyrider on 11/12/07


#5. Kathr: Thank you for dicussing this things with me. I am more then welcome any teaching that will help me help others. I will check it with the word of God first. We have been blessed so very much, that I can only give the glory to God not only for my salvation but for this wonderful teachings of His Word.
---Mark_V. on 11/8/07


#2. Kathr: What I'm saying is that you and I come from different backgrounds. Different teachers, different churches. I went from a Catholic who didn't know a thing about rebirth to a Pentacostal church where I learned who Christ was and about salvation. From there God moved me to learn more about Him and who He was and I begin to study the Sovereignty of God. Not everyone is moved to learn that, but we are all moved in different ways depending on who we are and how much we summit to the Spirit.
---Mark_V. on 11/8/07


#3. Kathr: The Spirit teaches us differently depending not only on how much we summit but on who we are and how much we can learn. I don't question God when He moves me to learn or concentrate on one subject or another. I just do it. What we can do is learn from each other. I have learned from many here who present something I never heard of and I make it a point to study it and make sure I learn it correctly.
---Mark_V. on 11/8/07




#4. Kathr: I will do anything possible to learn beginning with God's word and any passage that might seem to contradict another. When I begin to write in the mornings I pray and ask God to help me write the right things. To guide me and to not allow me to take credit for anything. Without His guideness, I would be doing for me. I ask Him to teach me and open more of His word to me. Our intend is so important for we have to do it for the right reasons.
---Mark_V. on 11/8/07


Hello Kathr, I can understand your stance as to what you feel now as a Christian and who you feel you are. We are all different in many ways, so we will never feel the same things. many times it comes from what we have learned and by whom we have been taught. Other times the books we read, but most of all who discipled us. Denominations have different ways, and many are not very good at dicipling since those who teach are many times not taught correctly themselves.
---Mark_V. on 11/8/07


Mark V: #2
Although you are correct that we do sin, and have an advocate with the Father....our Life IN Christ...the Risen Christ, is so much more. Ephesians 3 IS that so much more, for starters. Paul is talking about our life that has been raised up and seated together with Him in Heavenly places.

Also, Galatians talks about Christ being formed in us. We're not the old man made over, but ONE NEW MAN,(Ephesians) the Church, being conformed to His image.
God Bless!
---kathr4453 on 11/4/07


Mark V: I think the only thing I'm really trying to say that so many fail to see. We see all of what Jesus did on the cross FOR our sin, and yes, have put our faith in Him for forgivness. Many stop there, and fail to see what the RISEN Christ is doing in our life now. We also fail to see we live on the resurrection side of the cross now with Christ. Next
---kathr4453 on 11/4/07


First of all, I know that I am saved. 30 years ago, I accepted Jesus as my Lord and Saviour. I believe that it was 3 nails plus 1 cross that equals 4 giveness. It wasnt those nails that held Jesus to that old rugged cross of Calvary. It was love. He did that for all of mankind.
God's Riches At Christ's Expense (G.R.A.C.E.)
Galatians 2:20-21, 3:13
---Chad on 11/1/07


Kathr, I don't believe you heard me. I said you can believe whatever you want and I am ok. I am not going to debate whether we are sinners or not since Scripture is clear we are. That is not even debatable. Not even an issue with any who follows the essentials of the Christian faith. That is only for those who believe they are sinless. I am not one of them, I am a forgiven sinner, and while alive, I will be defeated many times, but in a way it is good because my dependence is on Christ now, not on myself.
---Mark_V. on 11/1/07


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#2. Kathr, you are right that Jesus came to set us from from what? The slavery of sin. We are not slaves anymore, but we do sin. I know you understand this because you have mentioned this before. I don't even know why we are debating this issue. I see myself totally dependent upon Christ, because I know I am a sinner. If I wasn't I would not need Him here on earth and would be just like someone I know here on line who is sinless. I know you really don't think you are, because I have heard you already.
---Mark_V. on 11/1/07


Correction here *Mark v: It's not an issue about sinlessness. While we're here in our earthly bodies, we are perfectly sinless.*

I meant to say we are *not* perfectly sinless, and won't be until we are completely Glorified together with Christ. But that is no reason to call yourself a sinner.

God Bless!
---kathr4453 on 11/1/07


Mark V: It is the ministry of the Holy Spirit to convict us of sin, not the ministry of satan to persecute the Saint. The sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit is continually mortifying the deeds of our flesh...Romans 8:11-13.

One wonderful thing about salvation HERE is that Jesus came to SET US FREE TOO, from the power of sin in us, by His very Life in us we have victory. Some just haven't found it yet!! I die daily!!!!
---kathr4453 on 11/1/07


Mark V: You said "#2. Kathr, Jesus Christ is now my Advocate, my lawyer, my helper before God. When satan prosecutes me before the Father due to sin, (Rev. 12:10) Christ's High-Priestly ministry guarantees not only sympathy but also acquittal.

Persecuted??* by satan every time you sin? The Blood of Christ cleanses us from sin.....We *overcome* satan's accusations through the Blood of the Lamb. WE ARE FORGIVEN! Past present and future.

**Read 2 Peter 1. Not my words, but God's.
---kathr4453 on 11/1/07


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Mark V #3:

As a result of the pastors teaching and attitude, no teaching was ever taught on our victory over sin, or our identification with Jesus Chirst in death and resurrection life. These people, years later, still see themselves as worms and sinners, and have no understanding of the Spirit of the Life of Christ that set us free and continues to set us free from the bondage of sin and death. They live a very legalistic kind of grace, but not real Grace!

God Bless!
---kathr4453 on 11/1/07


Mark v: It's not an issue about sinlessness. While we're here in our earthly bodies, we are perfectly sinless.

I am talking about our position In Christ as God see's us. Sinners are sinners, unsaved unregenerate. Those who are saved are not called sinners, but Saints.
Look at all scripture that has the word *sinners* and you will not see any referring to those Born Again. In God's eyes, our old man is crucified with Christ, so God see's our old man dead to sin, and ALIVE unto Christ.
NEXT
---kathr4453 on 11/1/07


Mark V, #2
Here's an example of what I mean. Years our pastor told everyone we were WORMS...sinners...and only because of what Jesus's blood on the cross did can God even look at us.etc, etc. The Lord really spoke to me that morning. He said NO, your not a worm, you are a New Creature In Me, you are My Daughter, joint heir, My Bride, My Body. Do you see what I mean? I guess some think they're being SOOOOOOO humble by thinking the way. My old nature IS wretched...my New is the very Life of Christ.
---kathr4453 on 11/1/07


Before the Cross,sin WAS imputed to us through the one man Adam.
After the Cross, the one man Christ took sin upon Himself, NOT imputing mens sins against them.
We were born of flesh in the sin nature through one man.
We must be born again, through one man, Christ Jesus to have our true nature of righteousness.
We have been made righteous, God not imputing sin against us. (The Good News)
---duane on 11/1/07


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#1. Sorry Kathr, that I don't think like you are come close to understanding what you understand. You have a right to think you are sinless if you want to. The day I do that, I would in no need for Christ. I still need the Lord everyday. I see myself as hopeless without Him. That is just the way it is with me. I am sorry I don't live up to your expectations. Jesus Christ propiatiated or "appeased" or Satified" the demands of God's holiness for the punishment of my sins.
---Mark_V. on 10/31/07


#2. Kathr, Jesus Christ is now my Advocate, my lawyer, my helper before God. When satan prosecutes me before the Father due to sin, (Rev. 12:10) Christ's High-Priestly ministry guarantees not only sympathy but also acquittal (Heb. 4:14-16). So I don't know about you, but I need the Lord very very much while I am alive, because when I die, I will receive His promise, eternal life.
---Mark_V. on 10/31/07


#3. Kathr, you even said, listen to God, don't listen to men, that is why I am going to avoid listening to your way of thinking. I am happy for you that you are there already. I need a long ways to go yet. I know I am a sinner everyday, and have great need for Christ every single moment of my life. But I live with this assurance and that is, that no one can separated me from the love of Christ?
---Mark_V. on 10/31/07


Mark V #2
If you continue to see yourself from your flesh, you will always be defeated in the flesh. You must see yourself as God sees you, and grow up into the fulness ans stature of Jesus Christ. We put on the mind of Christ, and that mind tells us we are a New Creature In Christ. You are what you eat. Garbage in-garbage out. Listen the the Lord, not what men tell you!

God Bless!
---kathr4453 on 10/31/07


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Mark V said:

When God sees us, He doesn't see us sinless, He sees the righteousness of Christ that covers us.

That may have been true during the OT. But then again,the blood of bulls/goats could never wash away sin or make someone perfect....Hebrews 10, however,now that Jesus Christ has come, we are sanctified once and for all,through the body of His death, and raised up with Him a New Creation. God see's us as a NEW CREATURE in Christ Jesus. Our History in Adam 1 ENDED at the Cross.
Next
---kathr4453 on 10/31/07


AMEN kathr...
---duane on 10/28/07


Kath,
I don't know why you answered me but I will respond to one answer you gave and that was, we are been sanctified. When God sees us, He doesn't see us sinless, He sees the righteousness of Christ that covers us. God calls us to walk in the light always, but no one alive does every second. The flesh remains and though we are not slaves to sin anymore, we still have the flesh to deal with all our lives. As long as we live we will fail again and again. Though God hates sin, through His chastisements
---Mark_V. on 10/27/07


#2. He through our sin, brings us closer to Him. Sin, in many ways while bad, as in the case of Jacob brothers, God turns it for good. The Scriptures are clear that our new nature has changed us. We are no longer slaves to sin anymore as we once were. It doesn't say we are completely perfect either. We should consider ourselves saved, and rigtheous because of Christ, but not sinless in anyway. The Advocacy of Christ, is the activity of the glorified Savior in heaven on behalf of sinning saints,
---Mark_V. on 10/27/07


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#3. (1 John 2:1 says, "My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. And He Himself is the propiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the world." meaning anyone other then them who are saved. This is done by the presence of the Father by Christ. By virtue of the eternal efficacy of His sacrafice,
---Mark_V. on 10/27/07


#4. the divine Advocate restores His children to fellowship, (Joh 9:10, Psa. 23:3). "My little children, these things I write to you," John was speaking of what he just wrote in verse 1:8, If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive our sin, and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. "
---Mark_V. on 10/27/07


#5. In order not to deceive ourselves we have to understand we are still capable of sin. And we want to make sure we do have the truth of what he is speaking about. Many people here sin just by answering and don't even realize it. When our intentions are not right with God, and because of our pride, we sin. A person is stupid to think he is saved and has eternal salvation and believe he can sin all he wants. Stupid because he thinks he can hide from God, or not saved at all.
---Mark_V. on 10/27/07


#6 In 1 John, he is giving a test to the believers. Obedience constitutes the third test of genuine fellowship. First John presents two eternal test that demonstrate salvation: doctrinal and moral. The docrinal test consist of confessing a proper view of Christ and sin, 1:1-4 and 1:5-2:2. while the moral test consist of obedience and love, 7-11. While the subject of assurance of salvation come through the internal witness of the Holy Spirit, verse 5:10, Rom.8:14-16, 2Cor. 1:12.
---Mark_V. on 10/27/07


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#7. the test of obedience constitutes objective assurance that one is genuinely saved. Obedience is the external visible proof of salvation, found in James 2:14-26, 2 Peter 2:5-11. While this passages and context can be very helpful to those who believe by faith, to the lost they will not help at all.
---Mark_V. on 10/27/07


Mark V:

Romans 5:19
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

We (Christians) are the righteousness of Christ....to see yourself any other way is insulting to God and Jesus Christ.
---kathr4453 on 10/26/07


Mark V: The bumper stickers that say...We're not perfect, just forgiven really gives the Gospel a bad rap. We should have no excuses to just say....Oh my flesh will always be that way until the Lord comes.

We should be growing in a continual state of maturing, being conformed to the image of Jesus Christ....we don't acheive sinless perfection while still here on earth, but we are In Christ being continually saved and SANCTIFIED ....made Holy. God's Everlasting Covenant promises.
---kathr4453 on 10/26/07


Mark V:

We are now Saints, not sinners. and although we still live in our fleshly bodies, we live and walk in the Spirit. We have been given (now) a New Heart, and we are (now) a **New Creation In christ Jesus**. ( Old things pass away...behold all things are New...The Father sees us In Christ...a New Creation....and no longer see's us after the flesh...but after the Spirit.
Technically speaking we are no longer sinners, but Saints, joint heirs...Children and or Sons of God.
---kathr4453 on 10/26/07


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Mark V:

2 Corinthians 5:15-17

15And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

********16Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.


17Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away, behold, all things are become new.
---kathr4453 on 10/26/07


Hello Duane, we are forgiven sinners, and now saints to the glory of God. We are clean in our new nature, but still live in the flesh which is the old nature. Our sins have been wiped clean, and now we have an Advocate who speaks for us when we do sin. We are been sanctified all through our life, and one day, we will be glorified, with a new body. Until them we will struggle many times and some times that is great because it brings us to Christ continually for His help.
---Mark_V. on 10/26/07


#1
Ephesians 2:11-13
11Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands,
12That at that time ye were without Christ,being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the

*****covenants of promise*****

, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
---kathr4453 on 10/26/07


#2 One of the Covenants of Promise...

THE EVERLASTING COVENANT

Jeremiah 32:39-41
39And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them:
40And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good, but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.

PRAISE GOD!!!!
---kathr4453 on 10/26/07


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#3

Hebrews 13:
20Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep,

*****through the blood of the everlasting covenant,******


21Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

PRAISE GOD!!!!
---kathr4453 on 10/26/07


John 14:6. If you put your trust in anyone, or anything other that Christ, you are eternaly lost.
---Rob on 10/25/07


Mark,
I thought we were forgiven saints, we WERE sinners. We have been bought and paid for.
We have died to sin and are alive now.
---duane on 10/25/07


We are forgiven sinners. The minute someone thinks he is without sin, he lies to himself and in the context of the passage, he calls God a liar since all sin and come short of the glory of God. The very reason we need an Advocate to speak on our behalf. There is no one sinless in this earth. All come short of the glory of God. Even forgiven sinners as us.
---Mark_V. on 10/24/07


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Rebecca D
Thank you for your apology. All is well and I wish you peace. Gena
---Gena on 10/8/07


1 Timothy 4:10 says that God is the Savior of all mankind, especially of believers. So I am saved because I am part of mankind. That's the good news.
---InimicusStultitiae on 10/8/07


Gena: I am sorry that I misunderstood your statement. And I am sorry that I misspelled your name. I need to look more closely to a person's name and how they spell it.
---Rebecca_D on 10/8/07


Are you saved? Only if you are set free from sin...(no sin shall enter)
Only the Blood will set you free from sin , then you can have salvation through faith.
---duane on 10/8/07


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Rebecca D,

I agree with you. I was responding to catherine who said that NO ONE will go to heaven with an unconfessed sin. I think that it is possible to die with a sin unconfessed even if you are born again. (Death can come suddenly.) But I know that we cannot go to heaven unless we acknowledge our sin, confess and repent and believe by faith that we are forgiven through Jesus Christ and His shed blood. (I'm Gena, not Gina) :)

---Gena on 10/7/07


Matthew from La . . .
The reason I gave the example of exceeding the speed limit is because I heard someone in church years ago say that if you were in a wreck and going over the speed limit and didn't have a chance to repent that you would go to hell. I don't believe that. I was challenging the idea that if you sin and die without repenting then you are not saved. The people at the church believed that you had to get saved over and over each time you sinned. There was no blessed assurance.
---Gena on 10/7/07


Anyone who sins and does not confess either from willfullnes or foolishness or unfaithfullness - He is faithful even if we are unfaithful. Once you have asked Him to be Lord and Savior - He is LORD AND SAVIOR....unless you walk away in an apostate and willful position he says you are His.
greater is He that is in me then he that is in the world
---caleb on 10/7/07


Gina: Confession ones sins means to acknowledge their sins to God. Repenting means to ask God to forgive you of the sins you committed, and turn away from sin. If a person doesn't repent of their sins, how can they go to heaven? They can't. Luke 13:3 says unless you repent you will parish. Meaning if a person has unconfessed sin in their life, they will parish. Acts 3:19 says repent and be converted so your sins may be blotted out. Read the bible.
---Rebecca_D on 10/7/07


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"Have you ever gone over the speed limit and not repented and asked forgiveness?"

It's a man's law. Going 1 mile over the speed limit is not a sin. Driving so fast to where it is reckless may very well be. But if you are going to talk about sin, talk about sin. One day it will be against the law to talk about Jesus. That's when the anti-Christ will be ruling. Just because something is against the law does not mean it is a sin.
---Matthew_from_LA on 10/7/07


#1 catherine " I will make it SIMPLE. No one shall enter heaven with unconfessed unforgiven sins."

If that is true and you are going even one mile over the speed limit and are in a wreck and get killed, you would not go to heaven because you didn't have a chance to confess your sin of going over the speed limit. Have you ever gone over the speed limit and not repented and asked forgiveness?
---Gena on 10/7/07


#2 caterine

That kind of thinking makes you "lost" or unsaved every time you sin . . . and we sin many times when we are not conscious of it.

Or we know to do something that is the right thing and we procrastinate and do not do it. That is sin but will it send us to hell if we die before we confess it?
---Gena on 10/7/07


Eloy, absolutely and AMEN! Let us lean on God with all our weight. Let us throw ourselves on his faithfulness as we do on our beds, bringing all our weariness to his dear rest.
---Cynthia on 10/6/07


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I will make it SIMPLE. Noone shall enter heaven with unconfessed unforgiven sins. How does a true Christian know if he or she is in right standing with God? Your Peace and joy. There will be no peace among the wicked. The kind of peace only Jesus can give. I do not care about false teachings. Sin will separate you from God. Remember, the joy of the Lord is your STRENGTH.
---catherine on 10/6/07


I believe the answer is YES! however I am not happy with degree to which I am I am "in love" with my Saviour and the way it sometimes affect my appreciation for His many gifts to me, but I am praying about it!
---Pierr7958 on 10/6/07


geraa7578, i agree, except for the verse you misquoted out of context for the false doctrine, that all are sinners: for there are righteous and sinuous people. Paul was saying the Jew (covenant people) were no better than Gentiles when it came to obeying God. He was quoting the O.T. Psalms, which start, "The fool says in his heart that there is no God...", so the chosen people were living in sin just as those without the promise or covenant. Please read I John chapter 3, and Romans chapter 6.
---Eloy on 8/29/05


We are all sinners, Romans 3:10, 23.
What happens to sinners, Romans 6:23, 2 th 1:8.
Free gift, Romans 4:5, 2 Co 5:21.
Gospel of grace, 1 Co 15:3-4.
By faith trust, Eph 1:13

Colossians 2:13-14
---geraa7578 on 8/29/05


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Bottom line is that God can see into our heart. He knows who is truely his. There are many who confess to be christians, but are in fact are not. 2000 years ago, Christ forgave us of our sins. Israel refused to believe Jesus was their Messiah. Today,people refuse to believe what Jesus did at Calvary. Of what we could not do for ourselves, Christ came and did it for us. By putting our trust in him, is how we accept the gift he bought for us, which is Eternal life.
---geraa7578 on 8/29/05


Praise God, since I came to the Lord in my 20's I have not wavered from Him. I am FAR from perfect, but I humbly agree with Pierre that I am always searching to become closer and more attuned to His voice. My pride only lies in the fact that I am not ashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ and will tell anyone who will listen!
( I'm proud of my humility :) )
---NVBarbara on 8/28/05


I am being serious, or otherwise I wouldn't have wrote, what I wrote. Mat 15:8, Jn 6:44. Bottom line the heart has to believe.
---Rebecca_D on 8/28/05


rebecca, we must be serious in our returning to God, or yes, you're correct it would only be lip service and not heart service. "For with the heart man believes to righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made to salvation." Romans 10:10.
---Eloy on 8/28/05


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Eloy, if God's spirit isn't dealing with anyone's heart, then they can admit thier sins all they want. His spirit has to draw them in. It takes more that just words. First God deals with thier heart, convicting them of living in sin, then they realize that they are lost, then they can ask forgiveness with a humble heart and except Jesus.
---Rebecca_D on 8/28/05


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