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Ordained Only For Communion

In my church we can only have communion services if an ordained man is in the pulpit. We have no minister and rely on lay preachers much of the time. Do any of you have similar, seemingly unbiblical, rules in your churches?

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 ---paulette on 8/28/05
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Paulette:may I ask of what faith do you belong to??so that I can answer your question Not all men are permitted to perform this duty It is not seemingly unbiblical.
---Emcee on 11/22/07

Jesus didn't say to remember Him when you drink from the cup and eat the bread only when received in the presence of an ordained minister, but each time you would eat and drink: each meal time is an opportunity to reflect on the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross to pay the penalty of our sin.
---Kenn on 4/1/07

(Moderator - In the context, they couldn't believe Jesus wasn't going to be with them.) Excuse me, he was talking about leaving, he was telling them you must eat my fleash and drink my blood. which by the way they took him literally, in verse 60 "Many therefore of his disciples, when they heard this said,This is an hard saying who can hear it?" If Jesus was talking symbolic, why did he not call them back and told them?

Moderator - I don't understand your comment/question. As stated, Jesus died on the cross not at the first communion.
---ruben on 9/13/05

Mod; Thanks for closing the discussion.
---Emcee on 9/12/05

Mod :There are some who are blind & cant see & yet some who are not blind & dont want to see.One of the great Apostles did not believe that Jesus did not rise from the dead. Today he is known as the Doubting Thomas.Keep an open Mind same as some who are born again, can go a step further if they so desire pray for guidance "He who eats my Body & drinks my Blood I live in Him & He in ME"There are many great saints who are a testimony to this.But Christians do not believe in Saints.WHY?

Moderator - Please open a new blog because that would get too far off the current title. Thanks.
---Emce on 9/12/05

I do NOT see that ONLY ordained man can allow communion..Jesus did not say this.. I share communion with those who are sick,troubled is a very special time( I am female,ordinary person, but a child of God)Jesus gave His ALL. I do this to REMEMBER anytime, anywhere what Christ did for us. not only IN church . praise God , I have that freedom..pray for your church.. that is bondage..Are we not a royal priesthood, a holy priesthood (Ist Peter2.vs5 &9
---Karin on 9/12/05

Paulette, The church I attend has the Lord's supper in the evening once a month. I am not sure about your question.
Lord's supper 1Corinthians 11:20-34
---Ulrika on 9/12/05

Mod- In John 6;51 He said that he is the bread that came down from heaven, then he said the BREAD that I will give is MY FLESH, which I give so that the world may live. When did Jesus give his FLESH to the world? On the cross! Was that symbolic? If you think Jesus is speaking symbolically here when he says we must eat his flesh and drink his blood, then you must also conclude that Jesus death on the cross was symbolic!

Moderator - Jesus died on the cross not the first communion.
---ruben on 9/12/05

(Moderator - Respectively, I still don't understand what you are saying. Are you saying Christ is food to eat and drink? I hope not because that is cannablism.) That is what the Jews, and some of the disciples said " How can this man give us his flesh to eat" verse 52.. These are his(JESUS WORDS ) not mine! REAL FOOD AND REAL DRINK...

Moderator - In the context, they couldn't believe Jesus wasn't going to be with them. As you know, He was on His way to the cross, but most or possibly none believed that. Nobody thought about eating Jesus and Jesus didn't think about eating Himself. As you know, they all ate and drank including Christ. Christ died on the cross, not at the first communion.
---ruben on 9/12/05

(Moderator - "real presense" - What does that mean? ) John 6:55 " For my FLESH is REAL FOOD, and my BLOOD is REAL DRINK. " THIS IS MY BODY" that is what real presense means!

Moderator - Respectively, I still don't understand what you are saying. Are you saying Christ is food to eat and drink? I hope not because that is cannablism.
---ruben on 9/12/05

(The Bible didn't come from the Catholic church. That is a myth. Please study how the Bible was put together and you will quickly understand your statement is not true.).Can you enlight me on who put the bible together.Who decide which books belong in the bible? And what year was that?

Moderator - I will post the info later.
---ruben on 9/12/05

Here are some more-"For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Saviour, having been made flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh." Justin Martyr, First Apology, 66 (c. A.D. 110-165).
---ruben on 9/12/05

MOD- You said early christians did not belive in the real presense, well where is one for you.-Ignatius of Antioch "I have no taste for corruptible food nor for the pleasures of this life. I desire the bread of God, which is the flesh of Jesus Christ, who was of the seed of David; and for drink I desire his blood, which is love incorruptible" (Letter to the Romans 7:3 [A.D. 110]). I have alot more if you need more.

Moderator - "real presense" - What does that mean? Yes, please give me a few more clear examples from different well known leaders prior to 150 AD and I will take a look. Thanks.
---ruben on 9/12/05

Mod:-(You state that Christians existed before the Catholic Church,if so from whom did they get their instructions as there were no bibles in those days,where is the evidence to support this theory & who was guiding them; yet, you rely on St Pauls letters to the Romans & others. Remember the early church was admonished because they were following Silas Barnabas & they were told that this was The Church of Jesus who started HIS church which later became UNIVERSAL or Catholic.One flock One shepherd

Moderator - Christians were spread all over the Roman empire as the government was very harsh with them. Of course scripture was spread all over the Roman empire. Christians had various books of the Bible in their churches. The Bible didn't come from the Catholic church. That is a myth. Please study how the Bible was put together and you will quickly understand your statement is not true.
---Emcee on 9/11/05

Mod:You have your belief,based on the early christians but were these the Apostolic followers of Christ who entrusted His church to His successors. The name Catholic may have developed later, but the church of Jesus under Peter & his apostles was still there.Sorry we Disagree but that is your choice.One Flock & One Shepherd, still exists-- not denominations!

Moderator - Christians under Peter aren't the same people under the Catholic Church. If you study church history, beginning with the Bible you can quickly see that is a myth.
Are the Christians that were under Paul, non-christians? I don't think so.
---Emcee on 9/11/05

Mod: You still don't get it because your human conceptis flawed by the fact that we take food & drink as a form of bodily sustenance.This is not so, food for the Soul is the Flesh & Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ you have to believe to understand. Remember the woman at the well,when Jesus asked her for a drink.the water I give you will give you life everlasting.

Moderator - I do understand what you are saying just as I am sure you understand what I am saying. We both just disagree. Christians existed before the Catholic Church and they just didn't have the same belief of the Catholic Church on this topic and nor do I. Please study the history prior to the Catholic Church and then let's discuss further.
---Emcee on 9/10/05

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Mod of 28/8:Jesus instituted the sacrament of the Blessed Eucharist. Even satan acknowledged His power of changimg stones into bread, if he so desired; so why can you not understand that Jesus gave this power to his disciples & the same power is handed down-yes even after 2005 years,as for being Canabalistic that is your choice of words.

Moderator - Emcee, please answer the last question. Did the apostles eat Jesus's flesh and drink His blood in front of Him and did Jesus eat himself? If so, Jesus would have died as they ate Him instead of dieing on the cross. Obviously, they didn't start eating Jesus and He didn't eat himself, therefore it was a symbol to do in remembrance of Him. If you can't answer this question, I think we come to a respectful impasse.
---Emcee on 9/8/05

Paulette:The sacrifice of the mass is centered around our Faith in as much as Jesus Offered himself as a sacrifice in obedience to his Father.This act was most pleasing to God & as such Jesus knowing that asked us to continue doing this,. with the exhortation that those who continue in this holy Practice would be in Communion with Jesus. Unfortunately the break away & some misconceptions plus mans interpretation have caused utter chaos.The flock is Scattered,& at the mercy of Ravenous wolves.
---Emcee on 9/8/05

Finally- In verse 55 Jesus said that his Flesh is REAL FOOD and his BLOOD is real drink, would like to hear your comments on these verses. Also if it was symbolic why did Jesus not call back his disciples. In Luke 24:30,There eyes was open only when Jesus said THIS IS MY BODY WHY?
---ruben on 9/8/05

Hi- If symbolic why judgment on himself? 1 Cor: 26-30- For as often as you shall eat this bread, and drink the chalice, you shall shew the DEATH of the LORD, until he come. Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the BODY and of the blood of the Lord. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord."

Moderator - Of course taking communion or doing anything in a disrespective manner is wrong. That scripture doesn't support eating and drinking a literal Christ.
---ruben on 9/8/05

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Cont- For those who think Jesus is talking symbolic are really missing the facts. No 1 The Jews took him literlly, No 2 the disciples also did the same thing verse 60 and finally the apostles did as well verse 67-69. So why would anyone 2000 years later take him symbolic ? Verse 51 Jesus said that the BREAD which he will give for the life of the world is his FLESH. Was that Symoblic? If eating his flesh and drinking his blood is symoblic then dieing on the cross is also symoblic.

Moderator - Of course it was symbolic. Jesus was in front of them and they didn't start eating Him. Christ died on the cross not at the first communion. Did Christ eat Himself? They ate some bread and drank some wine.
---ruben on 9/8/05

(Moderator - He isn't talking about cannabalism as the Catholic church teaches) The Catholic church do not teach cannabalism. for those who do not believe Jesus own words remind me of John 6:52 " How can this man give us his flesh to eat?" and they no longer walk with him. Catholic believe jesus when he says v53, "If you do not eat the FLESH and drink his blood you will not have life in you."v55" For my FLESH is REAL FOOD and my BLOOD is real DRINK."

Moderator - I agree the Catholic Church doesn't teach cannabalism, however that is the logical conclusion one can draw from such doctrine. In addition, Christ was sacrified on the cross 1 time; not every week at Mass.
---ruben on 9/8/05

MOD;Since you believe that with Jesus all things are possible-why is it difficult to understand that the utterance of His words "This is MY body "meant just that & if so, his following command do this as a remembrance of me -means just that.& he follows up saying He who eats of me I live in him & he In Me--Jesus did not say Cannabalisticsm was involved.Those are your deductions.

Moderator - Read the verses prior and one quickly understands He isn't talking about cannabalism as the Catholic church teaches.
---Emcee on 9/7/05

Mod:We as Catholics believe that when Jesus at the last supper instituted the Blessed Eucharist He empowered his disciples to continue this, as a remembrance,for all times.This power has been handed down to those ordained to do His work in the Universal church.Many other christian believers do not believe this, as they do not see,eg the Holy Trinity.But Jesus said "He who eats my Body & drinks my Blood I live in him & he in Me "Hence my Call For One flock Under one Shephed Jesus.

Moderator - Christians do believe in the Trinity as well as take communion, however don't believe we are cannibals when we take communion.
---Emcee on 8/29/05

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Thanks Daniel, I was thinking the same because I havn't actually seen an answer to my question yet? Emcee I'm not sure how my answer to your question is going to help you answer my question but for the record the answer is Presbyterian.
---Paulette on 8/29/05

NV Barbara: yes all churches have Eucharistic Ministers whose main duty is to administer the Holy Viaticum depending on the size of the Congregation,& in so doing help the priest to distribute Holy communion they also visit the sick In hospitals & perform this duty But do NOT have the authority to consecrate enabling transubstantiation to take place.

Moderator - Show one scripture where transubstantiation takes place with any person involved.
---Emcee on 8/28/05

Chill out Daniel, don't get your knickers in a knot. Its not unusual to blog about something that just slightly pertains to any given question. Eventually, all bases are covered.
YOU could have brought it back around to the EXACT subject rather than complain about what others wrote. God bless.
---NVBarbara on 8/28/05

Does anyone ever read what people ask here? The question centers on: Are there "_similar_, seemingly unbiblical, rules in your churches?" *not* who does or doesn't think we need a minister to have communion. For example, does your church say only an ordained pastor can preach a sermon? What about witnessing? What about baptizing?
---Daniel on 8/28/05

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Emcee, doesn't the RCC have "Eucharistic ministers" anymore? My brother in law used to be one.
---NVBarbara on 8/28/05

Ken-Scott:There is a slight omission in your theory.Grace & thanks before & after meals is not the same.Receiving the body & blood of Jesus under the species of bread & wineis actually receiving Jesus as he said "He who eats my body & drinks my blood I live in him & he in me" this is only available through an ordained minister who is a priest.If any one mimicks this sacrament,he does so unworthily.The choice is always yours. Remember he is GOD & can make any thing possible.
---Emcee on 8/28/05

Unforutinate Pualette different denomination's have different MAN MADE rules.
As far as I am concernedIt is just a man made ordinance. Jesus said to do it offten in rememberance of me, not in the prencence of ordained preacher.Remember, God calls and ordains whom He chooses NOT MAN.
---scott on 8/28/05

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