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Saved And Sentenced To Hell

Will your every sin and every thought and every deed be read on Judgement Day, even if you've asked for forgiveness? Do we have to be saved then virtually perfect to go to Heaven? Will a lot of people who have been saved be sentenced to Hell on Judgement Day?

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Ruben,
I understand you do not believe in the promises of God. You always look for any kind of excuse to reject His promise. That is ok Ruben. You don't have to believe Christ. Many others do not either. God has to change their hearts, convict them, and grant them repentance. It is the work of God.
---Luke on 7/27/14


"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, ( our hope is in Christ not in ourselves) for, the evidence of things not seen" (Heb. 11:1). If we have that substance, our hope is in Christ.
Our assurance is the Holy Spirit (1 Thess. 1:4,5).
---Luke on 7/26/14

Luke,

why 'Hope' if it is OSAS and again the small word 'IF'
---Ruben on 7/26/14


//I am certain that Ruben believes this, Hebrews 11:6 "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarded of them that diligently seek him."//

If Ruben believes in the Lord's promise, he would not doubt his salvation. We are not partially saved, we are saved period. Jesus loses none. That's His promise. Ruben believes Jesus loses many, it all depends on sinful man.
"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, ( our hope is in Christ not in ourselves) for, the evidence of things not seen" (Heb. 11:1). If we have that substance, our hope is in Christ.
Our assurance is the Holy Spirit (1 Thess. 1:4,5).
---Luke on 7/26/14


Ruben,
it sure does. Only the believers names are in the book of life. If you name is not in there, you are thrown into the lake of fire. Sounds like if you are in the book of life, you are saved period. If you are not in the book of life, you go right to hell period. Agape
---Luke on 7/25/14

Luke,

In your theology, it is automatic your name is in OSAS, but scripture says "IF" .
The book of life was open and then it reads ' if your name is not'. Scripture is not telling unbelievers it telling those 'Who think their name is already in:)
---Ruben on 7/26/14


Revelation 3:4_5 "Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments, and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment, and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels."

I am certain that Ruben believes this, Hebrews 11:6 "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarded of them that diligently seek him."

However, other people conveniently accept the 'faith' part and omit conveniently the part of reward for whom diligently seek God. Isaiah 55:6_7
---Nana on 7/25/14




Ruben,
Our salvation is a matter of faith. You don't have it.
With your answers, you have no faith in Jesus Christ and His promises. Your faith is in the sinful man.

//If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." ( Rev 20: 15)

Does that sound like OSAS, NOPE!//

Ruben,
it sure does. Only the believers names are in the book of life. If you name is not in there, you are thrown into the lake of fire. Sounds like if you are in the book of life, you are saved period. If you are not in the book of life, you go right to hell period. Agape
---Luke on 7/25/14


Luke I have stated many times that we are not saved by works. Someone is not lost just because they do not do what I do on Sabbath.

If a person is convicted by the HOLY SPIRIT that it is a sin to break the Sabbath. Then they will be judged, because they knew to do right and refused to.
We teach that Christians are to obey all of the Ten Commandments much the same as John Wesley. That has been my main point. We are saved by Grace alone for no one can be saved by works. There will be some people who called themselves Seventh day Adventist who are destroyed in hell because they did not love and treat others with love.
As Nana pointed out those who refuse to follow JESUS in their lives will not be accepted into the Kingdom.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/24/14


All men are and will be judged the same:

1 Corinthians 6:9_10 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
---Nana on 7/24/14


Do good works on account of being saved is a fallacy.

John 3:19_21 "And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God."

Here is advice for the supposed Christian:

2 Timothy 2:19 "Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity."
---Nana on 7/24/14


//But I teach that we do good works because we are saved and no one that I know of says their works save them. Some may believe it in their hearts. But we teach our works are the fruits of being saved//

Samuel,
You keep saying this but turn around and say if you sin, you are lost. And I know why you say that, because again, it has to do with Saturday Sabbath, breaking the Commandments given to Israel. The Truth is that we are saved by God's grace through faith. Not by our works. You cannot leave that along because it is what SDA's teach. If someone does not do what you do for Saturday, they are lost. What you forget are all the other sins you commit. You throw those to the wind.
---Luke on 7/24/14




Luke* Ruben,
unbelievers are not in the book of life. The Book of life was mentioned, but they were judged by what was written in the books.

Why are the unbelievers judged by their works if they were not chosen to begin with? Are not believers also judge by their works?

Luke* Only believers names are written in the book of life.s.

If OSAS(Believers only) as you preach why :

" If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." ( Rev 20: 15)

Does that sound like OSAS, NOPE!
---Ruben on 7/24/14


In fact, to these people in the passage, their whole confidence was in their works, further proof that these works, spectacular as they might have appeared, could not have been authentic faith. A bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Luke

All I copied here is true and I agree with you.

But I teach that we do good works because we are saved and no one that I know of says their works save them. Some may believe it in their hearts. But we teach our works are the fruits of being saved.

Like a bad tree produces bad fruit. So people who live in sin show they are lost. While those who produce good fruit show they are saved. Just like you point out.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/23/14


//How are the unbelievers in the book of life?
Why are they judge according to their works, since you believe in faith only?//

Ruben,
unbelievers are not in the book of life. The Book of life was mentioned, but they were judged by what was written in the books. It says, they were judge according to their works by the things written in the books, not the book of life. Only believers names are written in the book of life. It looks like there is four books.
1. The book of life (Dan. 12:1)
2. The book of thoughts ( Luke 8:17: Rom. 2:16).
3. The book of words (Matt. 12:37).
4. The book of actions or works (Matt. 16:27).
And they will be compared to God's perfect, holy standard (Matt. 5:48: 1 Peter 1:15,16).
---Luke on 7/23/14


Mark 9:38_40 "And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our part."

John 10:32 "Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father, for which of those works do ye stone me?"

Working iniquity and working 'good works' are not the same. Hardly for a good work Christ would reject anyone.
To practice iniquity is to be unjust and unequal in our dealings with others.
God does not like partiality (lukewarm).
---Nana on 7/22/14


//But in the Second Resurrection will be some who thought themselves saved and thought they were following GOD. When in fact they were lying to themselves. Matthew 7:21-23//

Dear Samuel,
Those in the passage had cast out demons, prophesied in His name, and done wonders in His name. And what did Jesus say?
"And then I will declare to them, I never knew you, depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness"
Samuel, isn't that what you are teaching? your own works to keep Saturday Sabbath. In fact, to these people in the passage, their whole confidence was in their works, further proof that these works, spectacular as they might have appeared, could not have been authentic faith. A bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
---Luke on 7/22/14


When will Matthew 25:31_33 take place?

"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left."
---Nana on 7/22/14


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is for unbelievers. where unbelievers will be sentence at The Great While Throne of Judgment (Rev. 20:11-15).
---Luke on 7/21/14

Luke,

Rev 20:11-15 reads:

" Another book was opened, which is the book of life, And the dead were judge according to what they have done(works) as recorded in the books."

Question,

How are the unbelievers in the book of life?

Why are they judge according to their works, since you believe in faith only?

Rev 20:15 reads:

" If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown in the lake of fire."

Question:

You believe in OSAS, how is it possible to not have your name in the Book of Life?
---Ruben on 7/22/14


For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. (1 Corinthians 15:22)
---love.jesus on 7/21/14


The resurrection of life is for believers in Christ spoken of in the passage you had given (2 Cor. 5:10) At the Judgment Seat of Christ.
The resurrection of contempt, is for unbelievers. It is the Second resurrection, where unbelievers will be sentence at The Great While Throne of Judgment (Rev. 20:11-15).

---Luke

Amen and very true Luke. But in the Second Resurrection will be some who thought themselves saved and thought they were following GOD. When in fact they were lying to themselves. Matthew 7:21-23

But do you not teach they go to punishment before they go to judgment?
---Samuelbb7 on 7/21/14


//John 5:28_29 "Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
And shall come forth, they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life, and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."
Nothing is there about being on this or that one list.//


You read the passages and still you do not understand them. The resurrection of life is for believers in Christ spoken of in the passage you had given (2 Cor. 5:10) At the Judgment Seat of Christ.
The resurrection of contempt, is for unbelievers. It is the Second resurrection, where unbelievers will be sentence at The Great While Throne of Judgment (Rev. 20:11-15).
---Luke on 7/21/14


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John 5:28_29 "Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
And shall come forth, they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life, and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."
Nothing is there about being on this or that one list.

John 20:4 strictly describes those belonging to the first resurrection as, " beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands"

You think that describes you? You know more than Jesus then, Matthew 20.
---Nana on 7/20/14


//"Nana, with his passages just confirmed what you said concerning believers in Christ."
Luke on 7/19/14

None are 'my passages'.//

Of course they are not your own passages, they were passages you quoted from the Bible (2 Cor. 5:10: 1 Cor. 3:15). They speak concerning believers in Christ who go to the Judgment Seat of Christ, for rewards and the bad they did while Christian will be burned.
Unbelievers go to the Great White Throne of Judgment, where the books will be opened and they will be punished for the wrong they did in life. Agape
---Luke on 7/20/14


"Nana, with his passages just confirmed what you said concerning believers in Christ."
Luke on 7/19/14

None are 'my passages'.

2 Corinthians 5:10 "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad."

Reward indeed for the good but, not so for the bad. Romans 2:7 "To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:"

The rest are sahre with dipsticks, "Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."
---Nana on 7/19/14


Dear Rita,
Your answer is right on.
Nana, with his passages just confirmed what you said concerning believers in Christ. They go to "the Judgment Seat of Christ" there they will receive their rewards for what they did in their life time. They do not go to "the Great White Throne of Judgment" for sentencing, only un-believers go there for sentencing. Once saved always saved. Jesus Christ sacrifice is once for all times. One sacrifice is sufficient to cover all sins for anyone who puts their faith in Him. Agape
---Luke on 7/19/14


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Being saved, Mark 16 v 16, Acts 2 v 38, Matt. 24 v 13. Those that mess up how ever n does Not repent of what they done, they Are sentencing themselves to hell.
---Lawrence on 7/19/14


2 Corinthians 5:10 "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad."

1 Corinthians 3:15 "If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire."
The foundation is Christ and all the work refered to here is that in Christ. Paul is saying that some doctrines and practices may miss the mark but his ignorance will not be held against him.

John 3:21 "But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God."
Do truth, walk with God, do not, take your chances.
---Nana on 7/18/14


"I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins." Isaiah 43:25

If HE is not going to remember them then they will not all be dragged up again on Judgement Day. We will not have it pointed out to us that we never confessed this, that and another sin.

Some people are saved on their death bed and can barely speak so sincerely asking for forgiveness - even silently if unable to speak - means that the slate has been wiped clean, never to be mentioned again.

God tells us that He will forget them FOR HIS OWN SAKE. He does not wish to remember them.
---Rita_H on 7/17/14


If you have not repented (turned away from) you sin, and have it covered in Christ's blood through forgiveness, but yet are saved - you WILL still go to Hell. The Bible is clear when it says that God is perfect and holy, and cannot have anything less in His presence. Yes, there WILL be many so-called Christians (even pastors) that will go to Hell.
---Leslie on 2/13/08


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Not if you have been truly saved, enduring to the end. Rewards for good works for the Saints will be handed out on Judgment Day.. We will never be perfect until we get to heaven. The answer to the last question is, when you die if God lives in you you will go to heaven.
---catherine on 2/13/08


Not if saved means saved.
---Xanthi on 2/12/08


James 5:12
But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.

1 Peter 2:11
Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;
---Matthew on 4/13/07


Matthew.........Mark 3:28 Jesus Christ says ALL sins will be forgiven.
Matthew...can you tell me how much all is?
Isn't it all of them?
ALL is ALL...everyone of them.
---JIM on 4/13/07


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Past sins? I have read, Christ died for ALL sins.
Im new to this so dont mess with my mind.
---calhoon on 4/13/07


I couldn't of said it better myself Matthew. You've explained that very well indeed.
---Rebecca_D on 4/12/07


The accuser of the bretheren knows that if you believe the truth, that your sins have been removed by God as far as the east is from the west, you will shift your attention off yourself and unto your redeemer.
---duane on 4/12/07


2 Peter 2:20-21 "For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them."

Faith in Christ is a lifestyle choice, not a motto. Live it like you mean it.
---lorra8574 on 4/11/07


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Mima our past sins are covered. We cannot have the same mindset about sins we commit in the future. We are under Grace now and have a knowledge of the truth. The penalty of our sins are greater now that we know better, hence chastisement. Sins that we don't want to repent of and never want to stop doing it will lead a person to hell. In Galations 5:19-21 Paul said ALL who do such things won't inherit the kingdom.
---Matthew on 4/11/07


I don't believe you will be condemed to hell because you have sinned. I believe we are accountable for all our sins but everyone on earth has sined. You must repent and ask for forgiveness. Always refer back to scripture. No one is perfect nor close to perfect. However Jesus wants us to live life with compassion for others and forgiveness in your heart. Show love for your enemies as well as your loved ones.
---Cindy on 4/11/07


I totally agree with---duane!! As a saved person you will hear nothing about your sins on judgment day. Why? Because your sins have already been paid for by the Lord Jesus Christ on the cross at Calvary. After Jesus paid for our sins is the Father then going to demand that we pay also? Do not be ridiculous.
---Mima on 4/11/07


The saved can sin. when you do SIN you must ask God for forgiveness quickly, because when you don't, well now, you have the great sin of pride a double whammy. Also, you will lose your peace and joy. How come? Because sin separates you from God. Salvation does not give you a license of thinking I can just float to heaven on a cloud. WEEE. No. Your Eternal future depends on it. Ask God to help you to change and He will, if you are serious about your relationship with the living God.
---catherine on 4/11/07


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The saved are already forgiven...A saved person cannot be un-forgiven. We are already justified, the price for sin has already been paid. We have been reconciled to God.
We are set free from sin...geeesh
---duane on 4/11/07


When we ask for forgiveness and repent of our sins, God forgets those sins. On Judgement Day, I believe the only sins we answer for are the ones we die with, the ones we haven't asked to be forgiven for yet. No one is perfect except Jesus Himself. Those who are truly saved by the blood of Jesus and are true Christians will not be judged to hell.
---Dorothy on 4/11/07


A. If you confess your sins they are eraced and will not be held against you.
B. Yes we have to become perfect in/through JCH to be saved = give up All cherished sins.
C. You cannot be saved and end in hell. Only the lost go there.
---Pierre on 10/26/05


Xanthi:-}SMILES--This is true & we are prone to forget because we do not examine our conscience every hour.However for the record When as catholics we go to confession we say a prayer to blanket all those sins with this prayer "for these & all my other sins, which I cannot at present remember I ask pardon from God & you Father "
---Emcee on 9/11/05


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Cont'd. That is all that a newly saved person can do. They cannot name every sin after 20, 50, 92 years of life. We would all be in a sorry state if we thought that, after salvation, we would still be held accountable for those sins to which you refer. If you wish to believe that we are, fine, we will just have to agree to disagree on this one. Every blessing.
---Xanthi on 9/11/05


Emcee, I cannot believe that there is one single person in the whole world who can remember their every sin, bad thought etc. We ask for forgiveness for specific sins, preferably as soon as we realise that we have trangressed (and put right those that we are able to). In addition we can ask God to forgive us for ALL the other sins that we have committed but cannot bring specifically back to our memory. Cont'd.
---Xanthi on 9/11/05


Xanthi:I believe I answered Kyla'sQ.My question to you is, do you remember all Each & every one of your sins Even teeny weeny ones which have been overlooked.Do you think that these may not be accounted for.I am aware that sins confessed & repented for will not be taken into account.But I shall leave you with this thought will God judge our secret thoughts & actions? Yes & every idle word that man shall speak, he will render an account for on the day of Judgement.
---Emcee on 9/10/05


Emcee, the bible tells us that our sins are not only forgiven but that God remembers them no more. This being the case I do not believe that they will be read out on Judgement Day. Be clear here, I'm referring to the sins that have been repented of and forgiveness has been asked for which is what Kyla asked.
---Xanthi on 9/9/05


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Kayla:yours is a 3 part question.1=YES;2,Be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect .an imperfect soul cannot enter heaven.3.Who is saved, is like asking a prediction of the future. But as long as there is Faith & Hope accompanied by Jesus's Mercy, you will be restored & have a place in heaven so keep his Comandments as this is a pre requisite.
---Emcee on 9/9/05


Bruce, When you truly love someone, then you will not and cannot leave them; However, just as people divorce their beloved mate for another, so too does the backslider like Judas Iscariot betrayed our Lord, even with a kiss. Again, it is not in a truly born-again Christian to sin, but if one yields to outside temptation to sin, then they are become a condemned sinner who has chosen to serve sin, and not a saved christian who chooses to follow and serve Christ. Read I John chapter 3, and Romans chapter 6.
---Eloy on 9/4/05


If you stand before God on Judgment Day, then you are bound for hell. Christians will NOT stand before Him on that day. We will appear before the Judgment seat of Christ to be rewarded for our service to Him in this life. Any one who is truly a born again child of God, will not be sentenced to hell. And, none of us will ever be perfect. We are 'perfected' by the Blood of Christ. As long as we are covered by His blood, when God looks at us, that's what He sees, the Blood of His Son, covering us.
---shara7349 on 9/3/05


Bruce. In Luke 12 Jesus is talking to the Pharisees. They thought they were "fair you see" because they were very religious Jews..but HE called them hypocrites. They were not believers in the first place. Does that answer your question? We can't take any credit ever for our salvation. Jesus paid the price "once for all". ALL...I can do it trust him...I have no credit for keeping myself saved. IF you could lose your salvation......it's not complete GRACE,
---Eloia_N_KS on 9/2/05


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Eloy,
I was trying to be polite with the use of "seems". Your logic fails me.
Could you answer my question for me? Is it not sin to leave Christ?

If it is a sin to leave Christ, and a Christian CAN choose to leave Christ, then the statement a Christian cannot sin cannot be true.

Perhaps you are saying then a Christian cannot sin EXCEPT the one sin of leaving Christ?

That certainly falls into the same catagory of the OSAS stand I mentioned below.
---Bruce5656 on 9/2/05


Bruce5656, You used the word seem(s) twice, yet there's no contradiction in any of my truth. God gives freewill, and you're free to always be obedient to God, or you're equally free to leave Christ and do your own will any time. When you truly love Christ, you will never leave him, and your will will become the same as his will. Christ himself said about being crucified, "Papa, Father, all things possible to you; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what you will."
---Eloy on 9/2/05


Eloia,
How then would you explain the story in Luke 12?
---Bruce5656 on 9/1/05


Eloy,
You said:
a. real Christians stay in Christ,
b. it is not in us to sin, and we do not and cannot sin.
c.those who choose to leave Christ will sin

What is choosing to leave Christ if it is not sin? Your logic seems to depend on the old standby of the OSAS - If a person "falls away" they were never a christian to start with.
Certainly, point c. would seem to contradict points a and b.
---Bruce5656 on 9/1/05


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Rebecca, I John chapter 3 pertains to the whole person, not just the inward person. My sanctified flesh in Christ is also obedient to God. God does not just sanctify the spirit, but all of you, which includes the body also. "And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and your whole spirit and soul AND BODY be preserved blameless up to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." I Thessalonians 5:23.
---Eloy on 9/1/05


if you have a child and he/she does wrong , do you discard them to be your child anymore? or do you correct ( chastise ) them? who can break a seal God puts on usEphesians 4:30 <= sealed until redemption, the ark was sealed by God and Noah couldnt open it, consequences and chastising come when you have handed over your life for Jesus be Lord over. John 10:28, no man can pluck you out. HIS WORD DOESNT LIE
---jan4876 on 9/1/05


"Shall we sin that grace may abound? BY NO MEANS!" Sins are totally paid at Calvary. When I'm convicted of a sin I repent ASAP. I do not choose to sin but I still live in the natural body. God will not hear my prayers if I regard iniquity in my heart. Ps. 66:18
---Eloia_N_KS on 9/1/05


If I done something and I was convicted over it, I don't blow it off and say ALL my sins are forgiven, I repent right then and there. When you sin and if you become aware that you did do you blow it off and tell yourself that your already forgiven without asking, or do you repent from it? If a sin goes unrepented even if your a christian you will answer for it and be judged. The sins you have done in the past are under the blood. But how can God forgive someone's sin if they have not yet sinned?
---Rebecca_D on 8/31/05


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1 JN ch 3 is talking about the inward man not the outward man. Physically we are born of human parents and we partake of their nature, spiritualy we are born of God and partake of his nature. The inward man doesn't sin, the outward man does (flesh). Eloia; Adam and Eve both failed God in the beginning, before they didn't know sin, but when they did, they were spiritualy dead. One can fall from God, he will always love them, but one can fall and go to hell. Regardless if you were saved.
---Rebecca_D on 8/31/05


Bruce I agree with you until the third posting below. If you must maintain your salvation...then you deserve credit for your salvation? NOT SO. Christ covered all sin. One who has trusted Christ will never fall from the Grace of God. God saves to the uttermost all who come to Him. The genuinely Born Again would never reject their only Savior..It's impossible to be brought back into salvation again. Heb.4:4-6.
---Eloia_N_KS on 8/31/05


Eloia, When you repented yesterday, those sins are forgiven, but if you sin today or tomorrow then you are not forgiven until you repent. If you never repent but misapply yesterday's salvation, then you're wholly deceived and still separated from God until you repent for your present disobedience. Yesterday's salvation is yesterday's salvation. That's like saying my father is Abraham, my dad is a preacher, and God is my heavenly Father who promised me heaven, therefore it's of no account if i live in sin.
---Eloy on 8/31/05


Bruce5656, Let me reiterate as i have done so many times before: Yes Bruce, you are absolutely correct, according to scripture real Christians stay in Christ, therefore it kis not in us to sin, and we do not and cannot sin. Please read I John chapter 3, and Romans chapter 6. Only those who choose to leave Christ will sin, that's what backsliding means, leaving Christ and sliding back into sin.
---Eloy on 8/31/05


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Let me say it again. When Christ died for sin, HE died for ALL SIN past,present and future. ALL my sin was future when HE died for me. I claim Jesus as my only hope of forgiveness and salvation...plus nothing. NO ONE is without sin in this world, but it is not a lifestyle. I strive to sin less and less as I grow in love with my Savior. I believe 1 John 1:9
---Eloia_N_KS on 8/31/05


I.
God cannot recall our sin with out breaking his word.Hebrews 8:12, "For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more." Hebrews 10:17, "And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more." Psalms 103:12, "As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us."
---Bruce5656 on 8/31/05


II.
Christ is our perfection. We cannot be nor will we ever be perfect other than as we are perfect in Him. The reason we are able to be saved at all is because God sees the righteousness of Christ in us.2 Corinthians 5:21, "For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him."
---Bruce5656 on 8/31/05


III. If you are saved, you have nothing to fear as to Judgment for sin. There is no such thing as "almost saved". You either are or are not a Christian.

Can one who has been saved backslide and end up lost? Yes Read Luke 12:36-48 and read about the "faithful" servant who became the "unfaithful" servant and, although a "believer" "recieved his portion with the unbelievers in Hell.
---Bruce5656 on 8/31/05


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Eloy,
Correct me if I am wrong here, but in the past you have stated that a Christian cannot sin. (At least you have said that as a Christian you cannot/do not sin)

How is it then, that a Christian can backslide?
---Bruce5656 on 8/31/05


Do not be deceived, never think that your salvation covers future sins, it never does: for no sin that is committed is automatically forgiven forever to anyone, ever. If one is saved but then backslides, that one is forever damned until they repent back to God, this is God's truth.
---Eloy on 8/31/05


Q1 If you confess your sins to God and ask for forgiveness they are blotted out and not remembered!
Q2 Yes, perfect meaning to be/have mature(d)
to the max!
Q3 Yes! many today are very busy "doing" the Lord's work but when they make their claims, He will tell many of them:"I don't know ypu"!
---Pierr7958 on 8/31/05


Jesus died for ALL sin. Some receive His sacrifice, others don't. The child of God is totally and forever forgiven. Jesus took all the wrath of God on himself. A Child of God will never be judged or punished for any sin ever. Our Sins were nailed to the cross. "as far as the east is from the west."
HOWEVER.. works will be judged (Hay or stubble) Rewards gained or lost depending on actions and motives. Our soul is secure, rewards are not.
In this world..God discipline his children.
---Eloia_N_KS on 8/30/05


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, on judgment day, all we ever said or did is revealed, resulting in rewards for the saved, and degrees of suffering for those without Jesus. this is what is taught in the Bible.
---steve on 8/30/05


The enemy and people will always foolishly accuse the forgiven, but God doesn't, he removes every sin and sanctifies the saints. Please read Psalm 103:12;Isaiah 43:25; Micah 7:19. When you are truly born-again you are perfect and you are made the righteousness of Christ. Please read Isaiah 54:17; II Corinthians 5:17,21; Hebrews 10:14. Yes, all unrightened (unrepented) backsliders will be thrown into the lake of fire.
---Eloy on 8/30/05


if you truly mean it when you ask for forgiveness your sins are washed away by the blood of the lamb in to the sea of forgetfulness GOd will not remember them on judgement day he doesnt remer thenm now but you have to be sincere that is why it is inportant to ask forgivenessofall thing big and little known and unknown all through out the day so nothing will be on our record
---dreab on 8/30/05


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