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Was Paul given a different message than the 12 Apostles? By what scriptures?

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//Until you give an answer as to why Peter even mentioned Jesus' death & resurrection in Acts 2,//
A good reason would be even though Christ explained it to them,(Luke 11:34) they didn't unerstand.
Did you not read Acts 2:36, where Peter says you killed your messiah? Compare it to Gal 1:3,4
Read Acts 2:38 Peter speaking to the nation of Israel Compare it to Acts 16:30,31

Acts 2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven
(Same as Lydia, religious but lost.
Acts 16:14 And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul.
---michael_e on 10/19/10

Michael e,
You keep pressing others to prove their point with scripture, then you never give any explanation of those scriptures which destroy your errors. Shame on you.

Until you give an answer as to why Peter even mentioned Jesus' death & resurrection in Acts 2, or why he said David was looking to the resurrection of Christ, you cannot expect to be taken seriously.

Until you give an answer to why those men in Acts 2:5 were given a descriptor only fitting for believers (BEFORE PETER PREACHED TO THEM), you cannot expect to be taken seriously.

Until you stop being a bobble-head for Les Feldick, you cannot expect to be taken seriously.

Seriously, man
---James_L on 10/19/10

Michael, Since the fall man is saved by Grace through faith. The gospel Paul taught and the one taught in the Old Testament was the same Gospel of Christ. Paul says in Galatians 3:8,9, "The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham:" And since many gospels are mentioned, and many different descriptive titles are given, or we to take they are different gospels? and Paul answer with an emphatic no, in Galatians 1:6-9. "I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel-which really is no gospel at all. Eventently some people are throwing you in to confusion
---MarkV. on 10/19/10

Michael 2: continue: "and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we are an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned"
So "the gospel of Peace" Eph. 6:15, "the gospel of Christ" 1 Cor. 9:12, "the gospel of the grace of God" Acts 20:24, "this gospel of the kingdom" Matt. 24:14, and "an eternal gospel" Rev. 14:6, have different descriptive titles, but are the same gospel. Only those who are dispensationalist believe they are different.
---MarkV. on 10/19/10

//(referring to Him being raised from the dead)//
Peter's message to Israel.
Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out,(WHEN?)when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
(Men of Israel......Therefore let ALL ISRAEL)

Paul's gospel to both Jew and gentile not a referal.
Belief in Him being raised from dead necessary for salvation 1Cor 15:4 1 Thess. 4:13,14.
---michael_e on 10/18/10

Men of Israel...Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by him to death by nailing him to the cross. But God raised him from the dead...Brothers... the patriarch David...was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that he would place one of his descendants on his throne...Seeing what was ahead, he spoke of the resurrection of the Christ...Therefore let ALL ISRAEL be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ (Acts 2:22-36)

Peter said that Jesus was made both Lord (referring to throne) and Crist (referring to Him being raised from the dead. This was the hope of King David, Isaiah, Abraham, and Martha, when she recognized Him as the Christ. Rebuttal with Scripture?
---James_L on 10/18/10

//I believe that you are the Christ, the Son of God, who was to come into the world." (John 11:25-27//

Believing simply that He is the son of God and believing in the death , bureial and ressurection are not the same.

1 Cor.15: 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you THE GOSPEL which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand, 2 By which also YE ARE SAVED if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have BELIEVED in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received,(from the risen Christ) how that Christ DIED FOR OUR SINS according to the scriptures, 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
---michael_e on 10/18/10

Michael e,

Jesus said to her (Martha), "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies, and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?" "Yes, Lord," she told him, "I believe that you are the Christ, the Son of God, who was to come into the world." (John 11:25-27)

Jesus pressed Martha "do you believe this?"
Wasn't that Paul's message? I believe it was. Maybe you need to understand what Jesus meant when He said "believe in Me"
---James_L on 10/18/10

//according to Hebrew 9 Matthew and John are not NT. which I really don't know what he is talking about after reading Hebrews at least fifty times//

Markv, have an idea who the testator is here.
Heb.9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

I've asked you, and you apparently can't answer, where in the OT or the 4 Jewish gospels or the Jewish epistles, can you find the BoC mentioned, or a belief in Paul's gospel is necessary to be saved.

/// In the Old, it was for those who believed by faith that Jesus would come and die for our sins.//
Provide scripture.
---michael_e on 10/18/10

James, very good points you gave. Paul was preaching the same Gospel of salvation as Jesus Christ, and the others. Michael e says that according to Hebrew 9 Matthew and John are not NT. which I really don't know what he is talking about after reading Hebrews at least fifty times. It is the same gospel that was taught in the Old Testament, that is spoken of in the New Testament. Nothing has change with the exception that Christ did come and died on the Cross once for all time for the sins of those who would believe by faith. In the Old, it was for those who believed by faith that Jesus would come and die for our sins. A future event.
---MarkV. on 10/18/10

//They believed that the Messiah would//
Acts 1:6 will you at this time restore the kingdom to ISRAEL?

You left out an important part of Paul's gospel to the BoC
1 Cor. 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I(not we) declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand, 2.By which also YE ARE SAVED, if ye keep in memory what I(not we) preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
---michael_e on 10/18/10

\\Michael e\\
What did they believe? Peter accuses them of murdering their messiah Acts 2:36.

They believed that the Messiah would "make an end of sin" (Daniel 9:24)

They believed what their journey to Jerusalem signified, that they "were looking for the consolation of Israel" as was Simeon (Luke 2:25)

Yet they were caught up with the masses who cried out "crucify him".

Remember it had only been a few weeks since Jesus died. Peter told the to "have a change of mind" (repent). He spent considerable breath showing that Jesus indeed IS the Messiah whom they were looking for.
---James_L on 10/17/10

Paul didn't preach anything different about Jesus' death burial and resurrection.

"we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel." (Luke 24:21)

"Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself IN ALL THE SCRIPTURES." (Luke 24:27)

"For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES,He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES, and that He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve." (1 Cor 15:3-5)
---James_L on 10/17/10

//it is a really interesting subject and can be easily researched by computer.//

It can be easily researched, accurately using the Bible.

Did you ever take Paul's epistles out of the Bible and try to find salvation?

Did you know according to Heb.9, Matt-John are not NT?
---michael_e on 10/18/10

Michael, do you know how the New Testament was put together and by whom? It is a really interesting subject and can be easily researched by computer.

Luke wrote Acts and was a follower of Paul so he is telling Paul's story. Luke never met Jesus nor did Paul. Paul was a murderer of christians. Acts 22:4-5. If it was God's plan to call Paul to the ministry I wonder why He waited until after Paul had persecuted so many of His (Jesus') followers?

There are tares amidst the wheat. Matt 13: 24-30. Tares=lies. Wheat=truth. Jesus said follow me. Paul said follow me. Who ya gonna choose? John 10:27-29.

---barb on 10/17/10

Frances, you asked for some scripture in regard to my post about Paul teaching two roads. Paul teaches that the Jews are still under the law and the Gentiles are NOT under the law. 1st Cor.9:20-23. Two roads.

Paul also tells us that he is liar Rom:3-7 and then tries to tell us that his lie brings glory to God. Really? He tells us that he is a thief 2nd Cor. 11:8. Then he makes a statement in Col. 1:24 that is just plain outrageous. Read 2nd Cor:11 1-6. I could go on and on but space will not permit. John 10: 4-5.
---barb on 10/17/10

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Glenn, I don't follow Paul and so there is no sense in throwing all those verses he wrote at me. I follow Jesus.

Jesus told us not to be deceived by wolves in sheeps clothing. Can you tell me what a good deception looks like? Yes, it looks like the real thing.

Read John 17:4. Jesus finished the work that His father sent him to do. Therefore what was the purpose of Paul? Now read John 14:30.
---barb on 10/17/10

When the Lord Jesus Christ unexpectedly
(not prophesied) reappeared from heaven to Saul of Tarsus, recorded in Acts 9, an important event took place Christ did not simply come back from heaven to save Paul. He did not simply desire to have Paul stop persecuting Him. But rather, the Lord came back from heaven to raise Paul up and commission him as a brand new apostle. The Lord appeared to Paul because as He said in Acts 9:15, this man Paul...

"is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and Kings, and the children of Israel".
---michael_e on 10/14/10

Not sure that paul was the only one who went to gentiles.

i cannot accurately say where mark, and thomas wents.

and I know that Peter was choosen to go to the gentiles.

Acts 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
---francis on 10/14/10

//By what scriptures?//

The 12 apostles in their call and commission were fulfilling the prophets, and were sent to Israel in accordance with God's promise to them. (John 17:6 12, Luke 11:49 51)

The apostle Paul was given a gracious apostleship to us Gentiles, not based upon any promise, prophecy, or covenant with us. (Rom. 1:1 5, Eph. 2:11 12, 3:1 9, II Tim. 1:9 11)
---michael_e on 10/14/10

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Regardless of anyone who BELIEVED in Acts 2:38, NO ONE could actually BE a spirit-filled believer before Christ died (Paul was given a special dispensation).

God's spirit was not in effect for the TRUE worshipper (John 4:23) until Jesus was glorified....

John 7:39
"for as yet the Spirit had not been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified".
---more_excellent_way on 10/14/10

//James_L on 10/13/10 Those men to whom Peter spoke in Acts 2:38 were already believers before Christ died.//
What did they believe? Peter accuses them of murdering their messiah Acts 2:36.

Paul had a different message.
Paul's message to the BoC
1 Cor.15:1-4

Peter's message to Israel
Acts 2:36-38

---michael_e on 10/14/10

michael e,

Those men to whom Peter spoke in Acts 2:38 were already believers before Christ died. Verse 5 describes them as "devout" which means inwardly pious. This word was used only 4 times in the NT. All the other usages the people were believers.

Where you are off track is a misunderstanding of an inheritance and the purpose of the Law. The Jews were chosen, set apart for an inheritance. This inheritance was not meant for the Gentiles, though heaven was. Rahab, Ruth, Ninevites were Gentiles. The Law was never meant to justify.

There is nothing in the Old Testament that says people would go to heaven for obeying. It says they would be BLESSED. Contrasted with KILLED for not obeying.
---James_L on 10/13/10

Paul's Gospel to the BoC
1 Cor.15:1-4

Peter's message to Israel
Acts 2:36-38

Completely different
---michael_e on 10/13/10

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NO SCRIPTURE! Paul preached the message that had been revealed to him on the Damascus road: Jesus is the "Son of God" and the promise Messiah. Paul's Gospel indicted all humanity for the crime [we are all criminals, until saved], of rejecting God and His rightful authority....Under the influence of Adam's sin, mankind plunged into the depths of depravity [a terrible condition, for sure, no doubt], so that they were utterly unable to fulfill the righteousness demands of God and deserved only the WRATH OF GOD. The focus of Paul's gospel was JESUS CHRIST. Paul affirmed Jesus' humanity and His Deity.
---catherine on 10/13/10

Jesus showed the kind of person Peter was...." are not on the side of God..." (Matthew 16:23).

The 'rock statement' defined JESUS as "the rock" (Matthew 16:18).....look up "Incident at Antioch" at wikipedia.

Even though Peter possessed gifts...(Acts 4:8 "filled with the Holy Spirit"), he was still the kind of person that would deny Jesus 3 times, decide to kill Ananias and his wife instead of let God handle them, use fear to obtain followers, and let himself be glorified instead of The Lord (Acts 5).

SAUL persecuted "the way" (mentioned often in Acts) and became a member of THE WAY when he became "Paul"

John 14:6..."I am THE WAY...".
---more_excellent_way on 10/13/10

Acts 15:7
After there had been much debate, PETER stood up and said to them, "Brethren, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that BY MY MOUTH the GENTILES would hear the word of the gospel and believe

Romans 1:1,5:
Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ...through whom WE HAVE RECIEVED grace and APOSTLESHIP to bring about the obedience of faith AMONG THE GENTILES

Galatians 2:9
James, Peter and John...agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the Jews.
---James_L on 10/13/10

The 12, had the "gospel of the circumcision" committed to them to proclaim, the good news of Israel's covenanted kingdom and blessings. (Matt. 10:6 8, Gal. 2:7 8)

Paul had the "gospel of the uncircumcision" committed to him, the good news of God to us Gentiles to accomplish a secret purpose with us. (Gal. 2:7 8)

The 12 were commissioned to preach the "gospel of the kingdom" to Israel, and to manifest the signs of the kingdom to them. (Matt. 10:1 8)

Paul was commissioned to preach the "gospel of the grace of God" to the Gentiles, and to manifest signs that confirmed the reality of God having turned to the Gentiles. (Romans 15: 14 19)
---michael_e on 10/12/10

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2 TIMOTHY 3:16 ALL SCRIPTURE is given inpiration of GOD ------------
2 PETER 1:21 FOR the prophecy came NOT in time by the will of man, but holy men of GOD spake as they were moved by the Holy GHOST.
( GOD directed what was to be written )
JEREMIAH 1:9 THEN the LORD put forth his hand and touch my mouth. AND the LORD said unto me, BEHOLD I HAVE PUT MY WORDS IN THY MOUTH.
---RICHARD on 8/8/10

Paul's message for the Body of Christ was different in many ways, no one else ever mentions the BoC, no one else mentions, belief in the death , burial, and resurrection as the only necessity for salvation (1Cor 15:1-4)
Paul never mentions, (IF)you repent(for killing your messiah) and be baptised (THEN) you will receive the HS(Acts 2:36-38

Instead of a murder accusation, Paul says Christ died us.(Rom 5:8 1 Thess. 5:10)
---michael_e on 8/8/10

Barb, 8/3/10:
Please read 2Timothy 2:15-16. Poor poor Paul. Which of the doctrines in Paul's writings offends you, does he criticize some belief that you hold? Yet to reject Paul's word is to despise the Lords.
>1 The Lord gave Paul an Apostleship. And God witnessed his conversion. Acts 9:7 & 22:9, They saw the light, not a man, and heard a voice, but did not understand it.
>2 Philippians, 1 & 2Thessalonians, Philemon, Hebrews. Why? ...To remind the doubters.
>3 John 15:16 no more precludes others having a ministry, than 15:8 prevents others from bearing fruit and being disciples.
>4 Paul gave the same message in different ways - one God, one Savior, one Hope, one Faith.

---Glenn on 8/7/10

Galatians 1:13-17

For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen (Gentiles), immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me
, but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.

He didnt learn from the apostles. In fact he stepped on their toes a few times because they were in the wrong.
---JackB on 8/6/10

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Paul wrote a lot of the new testament and God (through Jesus) gave him the ability,not to mention his witness to and matyrdom by the Romans,again Gods much bible do you want to chuck out to get rid of him? for a different message not so,he was in contact with and respected by them as a true Apostle.
---richard on 8/6/10

Paul offers 2 roads, one for the Gentiles and one for the Jews. Jesus tells us there is only one road and it is the narrow one. Does Paul preach a different gospel? You betcha!!
---barb on 8/3/10
Care to share that different message with some texts?
---francis on 8/6/10

2Pet 3:15-16 And account [that] the longsuffering of our Lord [is] salvation, even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you, As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
1Pet 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ
2Pet 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ,
-Listen to barb's opinions or Peter's admonishments... I choose Peter who stated Paul's letter were scripture. He also stated that the unlearned and unstable wrestle with Paul's writings.
---micha9344 on 8/3/10

Luke, who was an eye witness of Jesus, wrote two letters to Theophilus. One was the Gospel of Luke and one was the book of Acts. Luke was also a traveling companion of Paul. Therefore, Luke was a witness to Paul and his experiences.
---aka.joseph on 8/3/10

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Paul was a self proclaimed apostle. No one actually witnessed Paul's conversion on the road to Damascus. Some with him heard a noise but saw nothing and others heard nothing but saw a light. Depends on which version Paul is telling. Acts 9:7, Acts 22:9

Notice how Paul has to reassure us at the beginning of each of his letters that he is an apostle called by God. Why??

Jesus chose his disciples and ordained them while He was here on earth. John 15:16.

Paul offers 2 roads, one for the Gentiles and one for the Jews. Jesus tells us there is only one road and it is the narrow one. Does Paul preach a different gospel? You betcha!!
---barb on 8/3/10

Was Paul given a different message than the 12 Apostles? By what scriptures?
There are none.
Paul tells us in scripture that he got his message directly from Christ himself ....
---JackB on 8/1/10

Makes sense and links hand in hand with scripture by prophets and commands Christ himself.

Matthew 10:6
But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Matthew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Jeremiah 50:6
My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.
---Trav on 8/3/10

I agree with your post.

But there are the archeological and non biblcal writings etc., that give us a more rounded picture of the era. It helps us understand the perspectives of the time.
---John on 8/2/10

///MICHAEL, Scripture is neither a history or a Biography book. You need to look at historical documents///

John, there is a lot of history in the Bible.

How do you know which "uninspired" historical documents are correct?

Maybe a study of the Bible "rightly divided is enough.
---michael_e on 8/2/10

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MICHAEL, Scripture is neither a history or a Biography book. You need to look at historical documents.


His preliminary education completed, Saul was sent, about thirteen years of age to the great Jewish school of sacred learning at Jerusalem as a student of the law. Here he became a pupil of the celebrated rabbi Gamaliel, and here he spent many years in an elaborate study of the Scriptures and of the many questions concerning them with which the rabbis exercised themselves. During these years of diligent study he lived "in all good conscience," unstained by the vices of that great city.

He left Jerusalem for Tarsus, where he was engaged with some synagogue as a Rabbi.
---JOHN on 8/2/10

John, simply show me some scripture
---michael_e on 8/2/10


Saul was sent to one the best Rabbinical schools in Israel. That of non other than Gamaliel of the Sanhedrin.

His father sent him there from Tarsus (Sauls home town) at the age of 16. Saul receive the Letter of acceptance in Tarsus and was honored at be accepted in Gamaliel school. (considered the best Rabbi of the time.)

He study under Gamaliel and graduated with high honors as a Rabbi. He was later a clerk in the Sanhedrin and was up for a seat on the 75 seat Supreme Court(AKA Sanhedrin).

Saul was such a Zealot and he was the #1 draft choice as Gamaliel was eventual going to be the High Priest of the court. Saul was about to have it all!Fame and Fortune.

He later said it was all garbage!
---JOhn on 8/1/10

///I'll rewite it for you...
---John on 7/31/10///
What scripture do you base this on?

///Was Paul given a different message than the 12 Apostles? By what scriptures?
There are none
---JackB on 8/1/10 ///
Find Paul's writings anywhere else in scripture
Paul's position as the "Grace-giver" for the present dispensation.
Eph. 3:1-3).

"the grace that is given to me of God, that I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles" (Rom. 15:15,16).

To recognize the special place committed to Paul in the program of God is not to exalt the man Paul. It is simply to honor his God-given position as "our apostle."
---michael_e on 8/1/10

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Was Paul given a different message than the 12 Apostles? By what scriptures?

There are none.

Paul tells us in scripture that he got his message directly from Christ himself and he conversed NOT with men before he went about his business preaching to the Gentiles.
---JackB on 8/1/10

Israel had 12 Jewish apostles, why would Saul be needed to explain Judaism?
---michael_e on 7/31/10

Rabbi=Teacher. Saul/Paul could explain to both judeans and Sth House of Israel Divorced tribes how the messiah had come. To reunite. Two Sticks, Wall of separation etc. Heb8:8.
Even King Agrippa,realized.

6And now I stand and am judged for the hope of the promise made of God, unto our fathers:

7Unto which promise our twelve tribes, instantly serving God day and night, hope to come. For which hope's sake, king Agrippa, I am accused of the Jews.
---Trav on 8/1/10

Israel had 12 Jewish apostles, why would Saul be needed to explain Judaism?
---michael_e on 7/31/10

I'll rewite it for you...
---John on 7/31/10

///Saul was a Rabbi and the Gentiles needed a Rabbi to explain Judiasm.///

Israel had 12 Jewish apostles, why would Saul be needed to explain Judaism?

Paul was a chosen vessel not a replacement.

Paul was given the dispensation of grace by The ascended Jesus, to Jew and Gentile.

Eph. 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
---michael_e on 7/31/10

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Saul (NO! He never changed his name)

Was assigned to the Gentiles by Jesus. He was Stephens replacement, whom Saul enjoyed participating in his excution.

Saul was a Rabbi and the Gentiles needed a Rabbi to explain Judiasm.

You can see some of Stephen in Saul's writings

Saul was later a guess at Philips home (Stephens closest friend) where he stayed for about a week or two.

I wonder what they talked about?
---John on 7/30/10

///Was Paul given a different message than the 12 Apostles? By what scriptures?//
Scripture, Romans-Philemon
---michael_e on 7/30/10

For Apostle Paul received the Very Same salvation That Apostle Peter delivered to the Jewish people First on the day of Pentecost, Mark 16 v 16, Acts 2 v's 37 - 41 which Fulfills Matt.28 v's 10 - 20. The early Church.

The early Church still lives on today, the devil 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15 with the roman leaders with nero & the crusades didn't kill us All & he sure would like to.
---Lawrence on 7/29/10

, read the new testament, and you will see that Paul preached the same gospel as those who were followers of Jesus when he was here.
---steve on 4/6/07

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Wouldn't call it a different message - just a different audience. Paul founded churches - the disciples were in training. In later chapters of the Gospels, they were instructed that as they were going, they were to be positive witnesses, but they weren't given a specifice "job". Most of Paul's letters were to correct a situation at churches he founded.
---WIVV on 2/2/06

I understand your point Steve, but you were not clear in what you first said, and it led to the dispute with Elder.
I was brought up in KJV, and shakespeare, so when I read the KJV I am not confused by the words which nowadays have changed meanings, because I realise what the old meanings were.
But later generations do not understand 17th Century English, so the modern versions are needed
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/29/05

, alan, i meant that the KJV authors used the grammar and wording of their own time to say what modern translators say. the problem is that hardly any of those who read the KJV will also study the grammar and word meanings if 1611, leading to problems in understanding.
---steve on 9/29/05

Paul's gospel differed from the eleven Jesus chose, & Matthias the 120 chose replacing Judas(?), being tempered with GRACE!

Jesus sent Ananias to Saul, His chosen vessel!

The Gospel of Jesus Christ connects Jew & gentile, without changing, save for GRACE!

No one related this "new" wine to Jews, then "translated" it to gentiles like Paul!

The KJV a/the "cornerstone translation" flawed? Acts 5:34-39.

Wonder how Ecumenical's get along?
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 9/29/05

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No. There's only one gospel message.
---Eloy on 9/29/05

I just love it when you talk.
If the writers of the "newer" translations studied to see what the Scriptures said why can't the rest of us?
Does it have anything to do with not wanting to or just being lazy.
Pick one or add one it makes no difference.
---Elder on 9/28/05

Steve you seem to have stated this discussion by saying the KJV gave a defective meaning to this passage, whereas the modern versions get it right.
Now you say that the KJV agrees with the newer versions, or they agree with it.
So why did you start the dispute?
Or have I missed something here?
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/28/05

, it should come as no surprise that newer translations said what the KJV said. because they studied the text to see what the authors meant. no starbucks, just RESEARCH. this is what we should all be doing.
---steve on 9/28/05

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There are NOT 2 gospels being preached in Galatians 2:7. What you really have is two distinct identifiable groups, namely Gentiles (the uncircumcized) and Jews (the circumcized). If you examine the Greek, the definite article before the word 'gospel' is not plural but singular.
---lee1538 on 9/25/05

Steve in your quest to be so right your statements don't make sense. How could the authors of the year 1611 agree with modern Translators? Did they meet a StarBucks over coffee on their first break?
Could it be the MV are saying the same that the KJV said years ago?
So what is the issue? Why not read the KJV instead of attacking it?
The key is study. From study the we know what the Bible says.
---Elder on 9/24/05

, Galatians 2:7 talks of one gospel. if you study the grammar and word meanings of the 1600's, you will see that the authors of the King James agree with modern translators. if you don't do such research, why not use the NLT?
---steve on 9/24/05

Steve you are not fooling this ol fellow with the name "James."
When anyone has to deceive to get their point across that shows how wrong they are.
If you want I will reveal why James and Steve are the same. We did this one time before with your other personality. God shows me these things rather quickly.
You made an off color remark about KJV readers. Own up to it and go on.
I asked you a question about KJ readers in the 1800s so what is your answer.
---Elder on 9/22/05

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mr.Elder, i don't see why you disagree with steve. He is pointing out where he thinks the problem is, and he never said all King James people are lost.
---James on 9/22/05

Steve try to stay on subject and help those who need it if you can. If you can't then attacking unrelated subjects doesn't help a bit. We have no idea of the status of the people we answer here and should be careful when a simple question is asked. If the person was spreading false statements and Doctrine that is different. All those people who read the KJV in the 1800s are they lost?
---Elder on 9/21/05

, elder, if you look at the verse, you will see that the KJV is the only version that says it in the way that caused geraa to think there were two gospels. study the meaning of the verse before judging me. thank you.
---steve on 9/19/05

steve, is everything an attack on the KJV with you? There was not anything said that this person is confused because of reading any version or translation.
People, including yourself, who don't understand Scripture have not applied themselves to study as the Scripture teaches and instructs us to do.
---Elder on 9/19/05

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geraa, Peter was preaching the Old Testament letter of the Law, a works based shadow of things to come.
Paul came on the scene and Preached the Gospel of Grace apart from works.
There is not two Gospels to choose from.
The shadow of things to come was Jesus and the fact that works do not save either in the Old or New Testament.
It is faith in Christ alone. The OT Saints were Saved by looking ahead. The NT Saints are Saved by looking back.
Don't confuse the issue. Study the Bible.
---Elder on 9/18/05

, if you want to use the KJV, you have to become fully knowledgeable in the old english of the 1600's. that is the only way to understand all of the verses in KJV.
---steve on 9/9/05

, a man who used only the KJV was asked to try a modern translation. after trying it, he said he was going back to KJV. the pastor asked why. the man said, "for the first time, i was seeing what the verses meant, and it scared me".
---steve on 9/8/05

, geraa, please read the entire new testament. that will clear up your question. the one true gospel all apostles and paul preached is faith in Jesus Christ alone, NOT circumcision.
---steve on 9/8/05

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No. Although Paul preached to the gentiles and the 12 apostles (primarily) to the Jews, it was the same message. Paul at times preached a deeper understanding of the gospel message as would be expected of an intellectual Pharisee.
---Jerry on 9/3/05

Steve, check out Galatians 2:7 (KJV). There you will find out there are in fact 2 gospels. The one the 12 preached, the gospel of the circumcision; and the one Paul preached, which is the gospel of the UNcircumcision. 1 message to Jews, and 1 to the Gentiles. Satan does not want you to know this, that is why other translations confuse this issue.
---geraa7578 on 8/31/05

the 12 were sent to the jews, paul was sent to the gentiles. peter only went to the gentiles one time... 14 years later when the gentile issue came up due to paul, peter settled the matter because God had sent peter to the gentiles once 14 years earlier.
---ron on 8/31/05

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