Was Jesus Three Days In Hell
I understand that our lord Jesus Christ spent three days in the grave. Somebody told me that he went to hell first before going to heaven. If thats true, how then did he promise the thief next to him on the cross that today you will be with me in paradise?
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cInDy92714,
Begotten
1. To father, sire.
2. To cause to exist or occur, produce |
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---AG on 5/16/08 |
2)God gave His only begotten Son for us. He has other
sons, but He only has one begotten Son. Humans can be
sons of God by adoption (Gal 4:5), angels are
sons of God by creation (Job 1:6, 2:1), but Jesus Christ
is the only begotten Son of God. What sets Christ
apart from everyone else in the universe, and by which we
know Gods love for us, is the fact that He was begotten.
The Bible says, The government
shall be upon his shoulder. (Isaiah 9:6) |
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---cInDy92714 on 5/13/08 |
God
had only one begotten Son, and His Son had only one
chance to redeem mankind. The Son of God was in all
points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. (Heb4:15) The battle was fierce, but the Son of God was obedient
unto death, even the death of the cross. (Phil2:8)The wonderful love of God, are the facts that God
has an only begotten Son, and that He gave His Son to die
for our sins. The Sonship and the death of Christ are the
most important truths of the Bible. |
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---CiNdY92714 on 5/13/08 |
rhonda, I didn't say that godhead described the trinity only that the word was there because of this comment you made "aside from the fact that triune and godhead are not Gods Word" the word triune is not in the Bible, that much I agree on. |
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---evangelistjerry on 5/13/08 |
1)Yes, the WORD became Flesh! Jn 1:14 we have seen his glory, the glory of the Father's ONLY BEGOTTEN Son.
Yahshua was begotten by the UNbegotten God.
Jn 1:1-14 & Col. 1:15-20
Christ is the VISIBLE IMAGE of the INVISIBLE G-d. For through Christ, God created everything. Christ is also the head of the Church, because he is the BEGINNING SUPREME over ALL who RISE FROM THE DEAD. G-d in ALL HIS FULNESS was please to LIVE IN Christ. Through Christ, G-d reconciled everything to himself. |
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---CiNdY92714 on 5/13/08 |
EJerry
really godhead used to describe the trinity is in the Bible? which version to you read? maybe some of the new versions of the Bible have added this to some verses to support their fable ...antichrists are everywhere and have no fear of the warning in revelation...
KJV uses word godhead in Acts 17:29, Rom 1:19-21, Col 2:9 ...one would need a fantastical imagination or a serious case of mind control brainwashing to believe these verses describe a 3/1 creature |
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---Rhonda on 5/13/08 |
Truth is
1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come, and even now already is it in the world.
Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Jhn 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. |
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---Samuel on 5/13/08 |
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Scriptural warning is to beware of those that deny that The Messiah is a 100% flesh and blood human being! No warning to beware of those, that deny that The Messiah is G_d.
---CiNdY92714 on 5/12/08
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Cindy I've been meaning to tell you I have appreciated all your posts ...although we may find in other topics we may disagree (at least here we do) and I'm learning a lot from your postings thanks for sharing your views |
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---Rhonda on 5/12/08 |
honda, acually the godhead is in the Bible in 3 places, |
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---evangelistjerry on 5/12/08 |
2)Well, FLESH is FLESH... SPIRIT is SPIRIT, and YHWH is either one or the other, which is it?
Jesus himself taught the doctrine that ALL, including himself, are born 100% flesh at birth and REBORN by the Spiritual Seed of YHWH upon being born again:Jn 3:3-8
Jesu is CLEARLY describing that he along with all humanity are born 100% flesh from the womb. |
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---cInDy92714 on 5/12/08 |
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The triune Godhead can be in two places at one time. They are one entity and three characters at the same time. Three manifestations of the same Godhead
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Really?
Well that statement is very very very intersting
...and that is where in The Holy Bible?
aside from the fact that triune and godhead are not Gods Word |
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---Rhonda on 5/12/08 |
3)Jesus was filled with the Spirit of YHVH which is the belief that the Messiah was born in the FLESH. And FLESH IS FLESH! And the SEED of YHWH whereby they are REBORN is the life giving BREATH of YHWH that breaths Spiritual life into the saved when after Baptism. Jesus showed us The Way.
In reality the only Scriptural warning is to beware of those that deny that The Messiah is a 100% flesh and blood human being! No warning to beware of those, that deny that The Messiah is G_d. |
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---CiNdY92714 on 5/12/08 |
1)Milann, The Spirit of the Anti-Christ is CLEARLY defined in 1JN 4:1-3
The Spirit of the Anti-Christ is the DENIAL that Yahshua was 100% a fleshly man. It is the doctrine that YHVH came to earth as Jesus Christ, and that Jesus Christ is God.
The Spirit of Truth is that YHVH is NOT a man nor the son of man.
The Spirit of Error is that YHVH came to earth in the form of a man. A half man/half god Messiah! |
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---CiNDY92714 on 5/12/08 |
Cindi-you are right. Jesus Christ was flesh but He was also God. He is the connection between God and man because He is both. That's how He could redeem us back to God. Only God could save us back to himself. That is the gospel of Jesus Christ. I have added nothing to it nor have I taken from it. Why is it so hard to believe that God came down to redeem His people? He did it in the OT and the NT. |
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---melann on 5/11/08 |
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shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US. If he was not God in the flesh then these verses lie, which they don't
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E-Jerry
God breathed life into Adam that did not make Adam "a god"
There are many names describing Christ ...Isa 9:6 Prince of Peace being one ...names have meaning which is why God changed many names of His people - Abrams name to Abraham (Gen 17:5) |
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---Rhonda on 5/11/08 |
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In Isa 7:14, 11:1.2 Immanuel translated as God With Us is prophecy to be fulfilled at a future event when God of the OT (Christ) would be with the Jews as a flesh and blood man ...this verse doesn't imply that Christ would become "a god" in the flesh |
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---Rhonda on 5/11/08 |
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The prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled in John 1:1,2,14 ...describing God as the Word (Christ) WAS MADE flesh and dwelt among us
...this verse does not say the Word(Christ) dwelt among us as "a god"
...it's very clear telling us Christ was MADE flesh nothing implies He was god here on earth
Read Cindis post on 5/9 too |
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---Rhonda on 5/11/08 |
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Samuel, I travel throughout US and its not often I run into someone with the name Rhonda
Gnostics teachings were contrary to the Apostles by teaching Christ was God on earth using various reasonings ..if Christ only "acted as a man on earth" the point missed by this theory is flesh and blood has no hope of salvation if Christ were "a god" on earth ..it also contradicts everything the Apostles taught |
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---Rhonda on 5/11/08 |
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If Christ was "a god on earth" He was never tempted or capable of sinning as described in (Mat 4:1,3)
If Christ was "a god on earth" incapable of sinning then He did not overcome sin which denies Christ was tempted as we are (Heb 4:15) ...if Christ was "a god in the flesh" then as a SPIRIT He could not be tempted (James 1:13, John 4:24) which would directly contradict Heb 4:15 |
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---Rhonda on 5/11/08 |
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If Christ was "a god on earth" He could not set an example for us to do same (Rev 3:21. 1Pet 2:21)because we are flesh and blood NOT gods
If Christ were "a god on earth" incapable of sin or being tempted then Christ LIED when He declared in (John 16:33 He overcame the world) ...if Christ were "a god" He overcame nothing ...ONLY as a flesh and blood capable of sinning did Christ overcome the world |
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---Rhonda on 5/11/08 |
...Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise.
Luke 23:43
Remember the original text has NO PUNCTUATION.
So some scribe somewhere obviously decided to put a comma in the middle of the verse. If the scribe misplaced his "post-script" punctuation this passage could read like this:
"Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise."
See drastic the change?
This why we are not to mess with the jots & tittles of the original text! |
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---AG on 5/10/08 |
The triune Godhead can be in two places at one time. They are one entity and three characters at the same time. Three manifestations of the same Godhead. |
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---frances008 on 5/9/08 |
After Jesus went back to the Father, He sent the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit can be in any believer and so God is present wherever a believer goes. |
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---frances008 on 5/9/08 |
1)When Adam and Eve sinned, mankind's blood became spiritually dead, but for sins to be forgiven, blood must be shed.
Although animal's blood was acceptable for the sins revealed through the laws, but it could not cleanse us from being sinners, because through a man's blood, man was made sinners, so it had to be a man's blood to cleanse us from being sinners. But there was no one to pay the price for Adam's sin, because all mankind was from Adam's blood. |
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---cInDy92714 on 5/9/08 |
2)Yahweh had to send Yahshua who did not come through man's blood, but through the will of Yahweh (John 1:13). By the power of the Holy Spirit through a virgin our Saviour came (Matt. 1:18,20, Luke 1:26-35). Yahshua was born without sin and did not sin against Yahweh which qualified him to be our Saviour.
Through one man's sin, Adam, death came to all mankind, through one man's(FLESH)righteousness, Yahshua, life came to all mankind (1 Cor. 15:22). |
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---cindy92714 on 5/9/08 |
3)2 John 1:7
7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those WHO DO NOT CONFESS that Messiah Yahshua came (into existence) IN THE FLESH (purely human). This is the deceiver and the Anti-Messiah.
Because ONLY THROUGH BLOOD CAN HE SAVE US. Jesus Christ is a man, God is a SPIRIT!
if Jesus was both fully G-d (not flesh) and fully man (flesh, not G-d), as the Trinitarians claim, then John (1 John 4, 2 John 1) would not have to make any distinction between Flesh OR G-d at all. |
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---CiNdY92714 on 5/9/08 |
for those that say Jesus was not God I will say again the scripture say he was. His name shall be called Immanuel which being interpreted "God with us" Mat. 1:23 and Isa.7:14 |
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---evangelistjerry on 5/9/08 |
Melann, the clarification of John 10:30 is in John Chapter 17 in an extended discourse. The Father and I are one simply means they share a common unity of purpose and and not that they are the same enity. They simply share many thing in common. Try reading scripture in context for a change, when people take verses out of context they make foolish interpitations. |
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---notlaw99 on 5/9/08 |
Melann,
Jesus Christ was FLESH, and the reason he could redeem us is because his BLOOD was PURE, it was his blood that came from God, and living a sinless perfect life that made it possible for him to redeem us. Quit adding words to the Bible. When I live in harmony with God I can say "I and my Father are one" too, but it sure doesn't make me God... it just makes me a representative of Him. Jesus thought himself to be EQUAL to God, not God Himself. |
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---Cindi on 5/9/08 |
Jesus was God in the beginning, and He is now part of the Godhead in Heaven. For a while he came down to earth. During that time he was human. It seems simple to me. While he was on earth he was not in Heaven, however His Father was in Him and He was in the Father, so He was never alone on this earth. While He was on earth, God was with us. Now He is in Heaven, God and He are in Heaven, but the Holy Spirit is still with us, a gift from the Father through Jesus Christ. |
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---frances008 on 5/8/08 |
To answer the question. Jesus meant what He said. When He died He went to Heaven and so did the thief, on the same day. Forget what somebody told you, look at the Scriptures. Going to Hell - please quote the Scripture where it says that. I am not sure that is even Biblical. |
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---frances008 on 5/8/08 |
Part Two. Since Jesus said 'I am in my Father and my Father is in me'' that means that when He said that to the thief, He was saying that the thief would go and be with Him in Heaven. It is possible that the Son went to Hell for some time and that the thief went to the Father that day. But I still want to know where it says that Jesus went to Hell. |
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---frances008 on 5/8/08 |
1 John 4:1-6 (How the ANTI-Messiah religions deny Jesus came in the flesh or was just a man)
1 Beloved, don't believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of YHWH, because many false prophets have gone out into the world (began over 2000 years ago). |
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---CiNdY92714 on 5/8/08 |
Cindi-the bible says there is one mediator between God and man, Jesus Christ. If Jesus is not God in the flesh, then He is merely flesh. Flesh cannot save mankind or redeem us back to God. John 10:30 "I and my Father are one." |
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---melann on 5/8/08 |
Cindi-Hebrews 1:1-God, who at times and in divers manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoke to us by His Son, who He appointed heir of all things, by whom He made the worlds, Who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty...verse 8 unto the Son He said, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever |
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---melann on 5/8/08 |
Rhonda-you misunderstand me. Scriputure is God's word so it is everything. Yet quoting scripture doesn't mean a person is saved or even understands what they are saying. Ex. satan quoted scriputre to Jesus in the wilderness but Jesus knew the word and with power used it against satan. |
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---melann on 5/8/08 |
Rhonda-I do have a saviour and His name is Jesus Christ. You have to rightly divide all of the word not just some. I John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these there are ONE.John 1:14 the Word became flesh and dwelt among us and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father. |
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---melann on 5/8/08 |
Dear Rhonda you and my wife have the same name.
JESUS was fully GOD and fully Man. He acted as only a man on earth. But he was still fully GOD. But he lived as we live, died as a wicked person even though he was without sin.
But he as both GOD and man could by His death die for all sinners. Only a person who is both GOD and man can do that. |
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---Samuel on 5/7/08 |
Rhonda, I'll ask again, what about the scripture that says a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. and, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US. If he was not God in the flesh then these verses lie, which they don't. |
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---evangelistjerry on 5/7/08 |
Melann ...I don't have a "stand" I actually read Gods Truth because He tells us to rightly divide truth ...I don't believe like you do that because Satan quotes from Gods Word that Gods Word doesn't mean anything ...Christ was not "god" while on earth ...if you believe this then you have no savior ...Christ was born of the flesh through God The Fathers Holy Spirit this did not make Him a "god" in the flesh |
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---Rhonda on 5/7/08 |
...He emptied His divinity to be the sacrafice ...He cried out to God The Father on the cross because he was dying and would be separated from God The Father ...spending three days in the grave where His thoughts perished ...since Christ had always existed with eternal life this was His sacrafice to mankind to experience death as we do ...THEN to be the FIRST in flesh to be resurrected to Spirit |
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---Rhonda on 5/7/08 |
...because many are so entrenched in religous "stories" they fail to realize if Christ was not resurrected from the flesh into a Spirit being then WE have NO HOPE ...if Christ was resurrected as a "god" as many believe then it's clear because we are not "gods" or in spirit ...we are MORTAL that His resurrection was not something we could ever attain if he were truly a "god" in flesh |
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---Rhonda on 5/7/08 |
Christ seated at right hand of God The Father whose throne is in heaven ..He returns at end of tribulation to bind satan ruling from His throne here on earth during millenium with His Apostles and others who died in faith ...taking fables fed from religious systems put aside it's clear Gods Word ...but if many verses I've quoted previously don't mean anything because others believe (like you do) that Satan quotes from Gods Word too then it's understandable why so many have been misled |
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---Rhonda on 5/7/08 |
Melanne said:"You keep saying Jesus was not God in the flesh, the bible says otherwise. He is our mediator between man and God, therefore He is both man and God or else it doesn't work."
Melanne, you are contradicting yourself. You clearly say that JC is the MEDIATOR BETWEEN God and man. Have you never been to court? Do you not know what a mediator is?? It's a separate person set between 2 parties to help them come to a common ground. Jesus could not have been a mediator and been God too. |
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---Cindi on 5/7/08 |
Joe said:"Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Key word: today"
Key is NOT today...Key is the punctuation. Take the commas out. Verily I say unto you today shalt thou be with me in paradise. This is old english Joe, It was very common to say, "Verily I say unto you today...." meaning I'm saying it today but it's gonna happen in it's due time. (cont) |
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---Cindi on 5/7/08 |
Biblically, paradise is always a place on earth. Heaven is above the earth. So if Jesus was saying that in the future the thief would be with him in paradise, he had to be talking about the 3rd earth that will be established in the future after Lucifer is defeated. Ya'll need to follow the timelines in the scripture. God puts everything in there for a reason. But you need to understand the language that it's written in. KJV is definately written in the Old English style of speaking. |
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---Cindi on 5/7/08 |
Hang in there Rhonda! Not everyone believes that trinity stuff. I've never believed it even when part of churches that did. It makes absolutely no sense. Jesus talking to himself, Jesus not really dying for our sins because he was God so he couldn't die, Mary being the mother of God... it's all just nonsense. God is the Father, Jesus is the son, the holy spirit is the gift God gave on Pentecost, and Jesus always did the Father's will. It's not rocket science.(cont) |
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---Cindi on 5/7/08 |
Jesus Christ was man, flesh, but the BLOOD was perfect. The blood in a fetus comes from the fathers sperm donation to the mothers egg. There is no transfer of blood between fetus and mother. Therefore, Jesus could be fully flesh, yet still be GOd's son because his blood came from GOD. That is the only way we could be redeemed. Jesus had to suffer pain and death in the FLESH to pay for our sins. Had he been God, the price would never have been paid and we would all be lost, NEVER to be redeemed. |
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---Cindi on 5/7/08 |
...believing today meant minute thief died is believing Christ lied in all these verses and many more:
John 3:13, no man ascended
Acts 24:15 ...there shall be (a future event)
Revelation 20:5 ...rest of the dead lived not again until thousand years were finished
1 Corin 15:52, 1Thess 4:16
tribulation hasn't happened, Christ is not ruling now
all who have ever lived are in hell waiting resurrection including thief ...believe mens ideas or Gods Word |
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---Rhonda on 5/7/08 |
Joe, the problem is where you insert the comma in the English. Before Today implies now, after Today means some time in the future. The Greek text has no punctuation or parsing. Both translations are gramatically correct but only inserting the comma after Today is consistant with the dominant body of scripture. Christ was just dead for three whole days and three whole nights body and spirit. |
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---notlaw99 on 5/7/08 |
In considering the enter to this question, please consider the following scripture 1st. Peter3:18
"For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: "
"By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison,"
Obviously the body was in the grave and it was by his Spirit that he went to hell and preached. |
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---Mima on 5/7/08 |
Yes all the modern translaton have the comma before the word today. But in the greek there is no comma. If the Comma is placed behind the word today the meaning is different. JESUS is then promising that day that the thief will meet with JESUS in paradise.
But if JESUS went to hell which many say then he did not go to paradise. So before we can really speak to this. Where did JESUS go at death hell or paradise?
Please give scripture that says what you are saying. |
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---Samuel on 5/7/08 |
JESUS said he had not gone to his father.
Jhn 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not, for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and [to] my God, and your God.
If he did why did he not say so? |
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---Samuel on 5/7/08 |
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dangerous thinking to base one word in Gods Truth applying it to mens ideas ignoring all other scriptures where dead are in hell waiting the resurrection ...basing all scriptures of dead and resurrection on one word? ...interesting
Christ said today to thief ...thiefs thoughts perished day he died ...perished thoughts have no knowledge of time |
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---Rhonda on 5/7/08 |
Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Key word: today |
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---joe on 5/6/08 |
ESV - Mar 9:43 - And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire. Footnote: Greek Gehenna,
Now this verse speaks of being bodily thrown into Gehenna. When a person dies do they get thrown bodily into a fiery place? Do the dead in your doctrines have a body? Unquenchable means what?
Or is Gehenna a future event? Which is what I believe. |
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---Samuel on 5/6/08 |
Rhonda-I have read your postings and it's a little difficult to determine where you stand. Using scripture doesn't always mean anything, the devil used scripture against Jesus in the wilderness. You keep saying Jesus was not God in the flesh, the bible says otherwise. He is our mediator between man and God, therefore He is both man and God or else it doesn't work. |
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---melann on 5/6/08 |
The core of the gospel is that God came to this earth to restore relationship with His people. You say Jesus was not God, He was flesh, then if flesh died for us, we are in trouble because flesh cannot save us only God can that is why He came as God in the flesh.Otherwise budda or muhammad could be a savior cause they were only flesh. |
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---melann on 5/6/08 |
Rhonda, You say you use Scripture Verses. What about Mark 9:43-48? Those are also Scripture Verses. What is your explanation of these Verses? |
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---Gordon on 5/5/08 |
When YAHUSHUA and the repentant thief died, they went straight to the Paradise side of Hell. There, YAHUSHUA declared that His Atoning Sacrifice was finished, and He set the Old Saints free from Paradise, took them up to Heaven. And from that point on, since YAHUSHUA's Resurrection, all new Saints go directly to the Third Heaven. PARADISE and HEAVEN were two different Places. Not two different Names for the "same Place". |
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---Gordon on 5/5/08 |
Rhonda::I'm sorry if I touched you to the quick.The response I gave you was Scriptural.I repeat Jesus said "The father and I are one" do you not find this scriptual just because you do not believe in the Trinity Bless You "Father Son and Holy spirit"Did Nelann's response offend you tooas I also concur with Her. |
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---Emcee on 5/4/08 |
Emcee, you're beginning to take on some of Eloy's absurd responses ...continually condemning posters in various ways with his anger and contempt all under guise of "love of Christ" ...blog is to express understanding of Gods Word using scripture with occassional opinion not telling others off with colorful opinion when they don't conform to religious system one subscribes too ...Holy Spirit guides me this gift has brought more happiness and joy in my life than I ever could have imagined |
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---Rhonda on 5/4/08 |
Melann if you believe that I think I'm right that is the conclusion you have surmissed from my postings ...I use scripture ...if it has led you to believe this then maybe you should take a look at the scripture I have used and pray to God to open your mind to His understanding and Truths ...I follow Christ ...not the traditions of the religious systems of this world |
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---Rhonda on 5/4/08 |
Rhonda-I feel the need to ask why you "think" that you are right when there are many responses with scripture proving otherwise. Please do not be deceived.The Church is a Body of Believers, not one person who thinks they have it figured out. |
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---melann on 5/4/08 |
Rhonda, GOD (YAH) is Three Persons in ONE Unit. Father YAHUVEH, Son YAHUSHUA (Jesus) and Holy Spirit SHKHINYAH. They are Three Persons perfectly Unified. They relate together perfectly. They Love Each Other perfectly. They Each played a vital role in the Creation. They are the Perfect Holy Family from which Image the human family was patterned. Just as GOD declares a man and woman "one" in marriage, though they are still two individual persons, so is GOD, only there are Three. |
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---Gordon on 5/4/08 |
Rhonda::Thank you for your response .You are fully aware of what you say and is a direct violotion to the Holy spirit and Almighty God.You will never find Happiness till you retake back your words. |
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---Emcee on 5/3/08 |
Rhonda.
Comment.
No reply is necessary.From your post I do detect a measure of usually expected inflamatory response.
The point you appear to make and hold to is that Jesus became totally unconscious-no life existed at physical death.
I find that man may kill the body but not the spirit.
So it is as it is.
Jesus is the extention where we may experience God.Spiritual death to Jesus is like cutting off God's arm and no reconnection. |
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---earl on 5/2/08 |
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No I don't believe in the pagan trinity ...and what's most interesting about that trinity theory is nobody knows what they believe in when they declare it ...because just like pagan babylon ...it's a mystery wrapped up in an enigma |
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---Rhonda on 5/2/08 |
Earl, I'm unsure if you actually read everything posted ...I'm not going to continue to answer your endless regurtiated questions when you have no scripture to share ...if you care to post your opinions using Gods Word I'll be happy to respond |
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---Rhonda on 5/2/08 |
Rhonda::You disbelieve Jesus in your inability to understand Jesus Words The Father and I are one.If you dont believe in the Trinity you will not understand. |
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---Emcee on 5/2/08 |
JESUS is both GOD and man. His Immortal GODHOOD cannot die. But he did die as a man. When the angel came to get JESUS he was in the grave. Not someplace else.
Unless those here perfectly understand how JESUS can be both GOD and man then I would suggest that you walk carefully. I know that GOD will have to explain all this to me in Heaven. |
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---Samuel on 5/2/08 |
Rhonda, Only GOD Himself was ever Sinless, that's why He was the Only One Who could be WORTHY to be a Blood Atoning Sacrifice for mankind. Which He did as He CLOTHED Himself in Flesh-and-Blood. GOD Himself, the Son of GOD, YAHUSHUA, became like His own creation, a Man (Emmanuel) and in His Perfect State of SINLESSNESS, sacrificed Himself to Death on Calvary's Cross. His Pure Sinless Blood was WORTHY to atone all of mankind's sin. |
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---Gordon on 5/2/08 |
Samuel, Those Verses you just quoted have NOTHING to do with the Damned who'll be cast into the Lake of Fire. Revelation says that the "Smoke of the their Torment" will rise up forever and ever, MEANING a Fire will be burning continually to produce the Smoke continually. Show me, and others interested, some BIBLE TEXT to prove that when the Damned are cast into the Lake of Fire, that they will be "annihilated". I own a copy of the ENTIRE KJV, and I can't find it anywhere in mine. |
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---Gordon on 5/2/08 |
Rhonda, When YAHUSHUA walked the Earth, He was more than just "a god", as you use the term. He was, and IS, the One and Only TRUE God. For Him to maintain His Deity, while He took on Flesh-and-Blood as a Man, is exactly what makes His Blood Sacrifice so IMPORTANT. If He would have been just "a god" amongst other gods, then His atonement wouldn't have been worth SQUAT! |
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---Gordon on 5/2/08 |
Rhonda, What you are espousing on this Website is a LIE. You are relaying to us all that YAHUSHUA could have sinned. If YAHUSHUA (Jesus) could have sinned, then He would NOT have been God. For GOD is Sinless and Holy. But, John 1:1,14 says "In the Beginning was the Word, and the Word was with GOD, and the Word was God...And the Word was made FLESH and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His Glory, the Glory as of the Only BEGOTTEN of the Father,) full of Grace and Truth." YAHUSHUA is that Word! |
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---Gordon on 5/2/08 |
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