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Does the International Church of Christ practice baptizing the dead.

Moderator - Never heard of them. Baptising the dead is the practice of the LDS cult.

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frances008_"DDM, Someone who is baptized but does not believe is not saved."
DUH!

I BELIEVE that's what I was saying with the verses i gave below, frances.

I doubt, If someone WHO doesnt BELIEVE in the 1st Place, would go and get Baptised?
WHY would they IF they didn't BELIEVE in IT?

What do we call that, An OxyMoron?
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 5/11/08


frances008: "I believe that nonChristians have a spirit, but... My opinion is probably worthless. However, it is the result of study of the Bible/sermons and my intuition."

Your opinion. Why is it always YOUR OPINION. What ever happened to Biblical truth. Yes, your opinion IS worthless because you are studying only the verses that make sense to you and you dump all the other verses. Forget the sermons and your intuition, find Biblical truth from the Holy Spirit.
---Steveng on 5/11/08


The Baptism of a baby is not a magical giving of the Holy Spirit. It is a promise to bring up the child in the knowledge of the Triune God. It is presumed that a child taught from a young age will receive the Holy Spirit at an early age, this is not to say that they are saved, because they can lose the Holy Spirit. It is a constantly living relationship and. in a relationship, if you stop communicating, the relationship becomes dead. Baptism of the dead is meaningless because there is no time left.
---frances008 on 5/9/08


DDM, Someone who is baptized but does not believe is not saved. This might include babies who grow up and leave the Church , or who never knew Jesus, or rejected Jesus, or people who were unaware of their baptism due to being physically dead.
---frances008 on 5/9/08


Darlene1:,Jn3,3 says Born from above ie born in the way that God intended with full knowledge of Him, so this would apply to those who did not Know God, in those days. Nicademus was searching for this new life.Things have changed today for most. Baptism is an iniation to His life .Are all people dead to sin? after 2008 years.How would the denominations fit into this scenario.Baptism is a ONE time sacrament,applicable to all Christian denominations.I am not talking about RC's.
---Emcee on 5/9/08




Emcee,It's what we said,must die to our old ways of flesh. Read Col 2:12,13,20,Col 3:3 For ye are dead and your life is hid with Christ in God. We were dead "in" trepasses and sin,repented,now dead "to" trepasses and sin,Col 2:12 buried with Christ in Baptism,risen with Christ through faith,and as God raised Jesus from dead so are we. We had to come from darkness of sin/death to light of God/life. 2Titus 2:11 It's a faithful saying,if we be dead with him we shall also live with him.
---Darlene_1 on 5/9/08


Yes it is important to be baptized. But baptizim does not save us. Many go into the water sinners with hearts unregenerated and come up wet sinners. They speak of GOD and follow the devil.

Mankind was made in the image of GOD. But until we are Born Again we walk in the ways of sin and the devil.
---Samuel on 5/9/08


Samuel, I take it you support the idea you explained below. Well, I have been convinced that we are born twice. Once at birth, and once when we receive the Holy Spirit. When we are born in the first place we are born dead spiritually. We receive the Holy Spirit at Baptism or when we are born again, whichever comes first.
---frances008 on 5/9/08


Continued...
I believe that nonChristians have a spirit, but it is not the Holy Spirit, this other spirit returns to God on death. Thereafter it is judged and goes to either Heaven or Hell. Those with the Holy Spirit do not get judged. If they fell into sin after receiving the Holy Spirit, then they will get judged, unless they repented. My opinion is probably worthless. However, it is the result of study of the Bible/sermons and my intuition.
---frances008 on 5/9/08


frances, yes all will be judged. scripture tells us some unto eternal life and others to eternal death.christ will judge at his judgement seat.also in revelation it says , and those whos name were not found in the lambs book of klife were cast into the lake of fire also.so eveidently there will be some hose names are written in lambs book at the white throne .
---tom2 on 5/8/08




In my studies, only the LDS practices 'celestial baptism' and celestial marriages'. They believe they can bring their dead ancesters into the LDS fold.
---NVBarbara on 5/8/08


Pt.6
John 3:
22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea, and there he tarried with them, and baptized.

23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

24 For John was not yet cast into prison.

25 Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 5/8/08


Pt. 7
Romans 6:
3 Know YE not, that so many of us as were baptized INTO Jesus Christ WERE baptized INTO his death?

4 Therefore WE are buried with him BY BAPTISM into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 5/8/08


I have about 10 more marked in my Bible,
It seems to be Pretty Important to be Baptised to me!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 5/8/08


Pt. 2
Mark 16:
14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16 HE that BELIEVETH and IS BAPTIZED shall BE SAVED, but HE that believeth NOT shall BE DAMNED.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 5/8/08


Pt.3
John 4:
1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus MADE and BAPTIZED more disciples than JOHN,

2(Though Jesus himself baptized NOT, BUT his disciples,)

3 He left Judaea, and departed again into Galilee.

4 and he must needs go through Samaria.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 5/8/08


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Pt. 4
Acts 10:
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

47 can any man forbid water, that these should NOT be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

48 And he COMMANDED them TO BE baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 5/8/08


Darlene1::With concern and due respect when we are born we are made to the image of God the spirit of God dwells in us we are children of GOD.are you saying we are NOT?How then can we be DEAD.Matt3:11In the OT Exodus19:10 purification and consecreation was instituted equivalent to Baptism.
---Emcee on 5/8/08


nicole, while your response is interesting,it presupposes I believe in purgatory. I DON,T.iam not catholic so I believe when dead your beyond praying for.oh yes jesus and the apostles never ever said one word about a middle place where souls go to be prayed into heaven.thats the problem with believing a falsehood.but in todays world even christians will believe anything.I respect your belief,I just believe you are wrong.
---tom2 on 5/8/08


nicole, in revelation jesus describes the church in 3 ways ,hot lukewarm, and cold.an analogy might be for the catholics as heaven ,puragatory, and hell.but actually jesus dtates that he would rather you be cold than lukewarm.he goes on to say he will vommitt them out.and chastises them severely.but again he is talking to living people. once dead its heaven or hell. God has said I set before you life or death choose. God never said life ,death, and purgatory.
---tom2 on 5/8/08


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ALL will be judged, Good or Bad
The righteous will be judged and given rewards or Some taken from them, for taking from the word of God.
Everyone, BUT the Bride,144,000 & the Beheaded, WILL be judged by whats in the books & then the Book of Life

Why would they look IN the Book of life for the Names of those who were delivered from Hell, IF their was NO cahance?
Their must be a reason for that
The Bible talks about PAYING every last mite before being released.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 5/8/08


Frances the doctrine is called Conditonalism and is very ancient. Soul sleep is a nickname. You stated we are body inhabithed by a soul. But that is not what the Bible says.

KJV - Gen 2:7 - And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

NASB - Gen 2:7 - Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living being.
---Samuel on 5/8/08


Howdy Darlene very good point. Thank you.

We must be raised to a new life in JESUS CHRIST.
---Samuel on 5/8/08


When we come to Christ we become dead to the flesh and sin. Baptism does baptise the dead,new Christians,that is why Jesus said you must be born again John3:3. Baptism represents Christs death,burial,and resurrection and we are buried with him through immersion in water.When we come up we arise dead to flesh and born again of the Spirit. People aren't baptising the dead,just symbolicly the old man of flesh,who when risen walks in the newness of the Spirit.
---Darlene_1 on 5/7/08


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I had never heard of soul sleep. People who are cremated and their ashes buried, their souls have already risen. This I know. The body is an empty shell after death. We get a new body at the resurrection because it is not of the type we had before. In Heaven time does not exist. So I take Revelations to be a picture or vision of some spiritual occurance outside of time and space, although within the book are warnings about literal occurances on this earth.
---frances008 on 5/8/08


Steveng said ''The second (resurrection) occurs at the end of the thousand year reign of Christ when the Book of Life opens and ALL the dead shall be judged.''

John the Revelator says ''The second death has no power over them (those in verse 4 who testified for Jesus and had not worshiped the beast or his image or received his mark), but they will be priests of God and Christ and reign with him for a thousand years.'' (Rev 20v6)
---frances008 on 5/8/08


Steveng do you believe those who died in Christ's righteousness will be judged?
br>Please notice the first part of the second paragraph (''The second death....'), Steveng. So the righteous in Christ do not face judgement. Not ALL the dead are judged.
---frances008 on 5/8/08


Steveng, those who died worthily, and become priests reigning with Christ are NO LONGER dead. They do not face any judgement. Only ''the rest of the dead'' (Rev 21v5) will face judgement. Those words are in brackets in my NIV version, to show they are not the holy and blessed ones.
---frances008 on 5/8/08


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Tom2, the parable about the Rich man and Lazarus only states about how evil and selfish the Rich man was and how helpless Lazarus was. The rich man went to Hell.
Lazarus sufferings and The Grace of God sent him to Heaven.
Purgatory is the Mercy of God for those in the middle.
So, just because you have someone in Hell and another in Heaven it doesn't mean Purgatory doesn't exist. But those in Purgatory do not have baptising for them.
Those on earth only pray for those in Purgatory.
---Nicole on 5/7/08


You love to label people, don't you, Steveng? Does it make you feel good to put people into pens and label them, and then send them to the appropriate place in your mind? The conspiracy is fact. Read 'War on the Saints' 'The Secret Terrorists' 'The Great Controversy'. If you knew about it 30 years ago, you must have been in on it. Why did it take me to bring it up? You would not be trying to cover up for them would you? Perhaps you are another of those gatekeepers protecting the Catholic Church.
---frances008 on 5/7/08


Steveng, you lack humility. You called fellow Christians, or at least Christians 'foolish' and you know or should do that Jesus condemns anyone calling people 'Baca' or fools. You talk about not enough love being shown, but you then go around calling people foolish and trying to make them feel foolish for being 'conspiracy theorists' (that is Truthtellers). You need to look in the mirror, mate.
---frances008 on 5/7/08


Stan::FYI Baptism is a sacrament of the"living" as it is an iniation NOT the DEAD this is the finish, end, fullstop, cessation of life.
---Emcee on 5/7/08


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the parable of the rih man and lazarus is a prime example.it shows that once you die your destination is made.that only while you live can you choose life.once dead you have none.
---tom2 on 5/7/08


frances008: "I am a keen student of the Bible...Please enlighten me, if you know more than me."

For the past couple of months I've been "enlightening" you, but you are not listening. I tell you to stop with your conspiracy theories and your debates that can't be proven, and your opinions, which are based upon other people's opinion (because the conspiracies, debates and opinions are the same ones I've heard thirty years ago). Please stick with only the truth - the Bible.
---Steveng on 5/7/08


Samuel, I am just a Bible student. However, Paul says that those who leave the faith in various ways are dedicated to destruction. When the spirit leaves the body that is the first death. When Hell and Death are destroyed, that is the end of the wicked. In between the good are with God awaiting Judgement Day. All is my opinion based on my studies. The saints are not judged on their righteousness, only unbelievers. So I see a chance for heathens to go to Heaven if God says they can.
---frances008 on 5/7/08


Gods Word says we are to repent and be baptized in the name of Christ

since dead people are dead and they can't talk (to repent) it's a vain practice ...any practices using Gods Word against Gods Word are from the heathen whom God hates
---Rhonda on 5/7/08


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If you read the passage closely and in context, St. Paul does not ask, "why do WE baptize for the dead?" but rather "why are THEY baptized for the dead?"

Note the careful distinction between WE (the Church) and THEY (heretics).

And the passage as a whole is about resurrection from the dead.
---kumquat on 5/7/08


Frances is right ...the Spirit of God returns to God ...flesh and blood, just like all the beasts of the earth return to the earth which we were made ...we return to dust ...nothing in scripture to support the spirit is "sleeping" with a dead body in the grave

it is our thoughts that perish and are not aware of time when we die ...not our spirit
---Rhonda on 5/7/08


Frances

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.


Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Notice the dead are not alive. See the two resurrections?
---Samuel on 5/7/08


Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man.


Ecc 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether [it be] good, or whether [it be] evil.

This is what the bible says.
---Samuel on 5/7/08


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Steveng, are you talking of Limbo, holding houses or soul sleep. I don't go along with those. I think that when we die we go straight to our destination, almost immediately, perhaps through a tunnel and/or over what seems like a stream. There are no words to describe what is in another dimension. So I say, if it is in (or implied by) the Bible I agree with it, if not, I don't.
---frances008 on 5/6/08


I am a keen student of the Bible, Steveng. Please enlighten me, if you know more than me.
---frances008 on 5/6/08


frances008: "if it is what is written in the Bible,"

You don't know?
---Steveng on 5/6/08


I have not gone into that in depth, Steveng. However, if it is what is written in the Bible, then I agree with you. Time is part of this world, not part of the next.
---frances008 on 5/5/08


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frances008: "...when we die our spirit returns to God who gave it. Then we are judged...."

It is written that when we die the Judgement. Our sleeping spirits are not aware of time and our sleep may seem an instant when the first or the second resurection occurs. The first comes when Jesus returns the dead in Christ will rise and then the living will be caught up. The second occurs at the end of the thousand year reign of Christ when the Book of Life opens and ALL the dead shall be judged.
---Steveng on 5/5/08


Carla5754,
Paul notes that baptism has replaced circumcision (Col. 2:1112). In that passage, he refers to baptism as "the circumcision of Christ" and "the circumcision made without hands." Of course, usually only infants were circumcised under the Old Law, circumcision of adults was rare, since there were few converts to Judaism. If Paul meant to exclude infants, he would not have chosen circumcision as a parallel for baptism (Catholic Answers)
---Nicole on 5/5/08


Ecclesiastes 12.7 says that when we die our spirit returns to God who gave it. Then we are judged. The saints do not get judged, but rewarded. Baptizing the dead is creepy. The body is an empty shell after death. This is a morbid practice in my opinion.
---frances008 on 5/4/08


Emcee:
Mar 1:4
John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.We baptise from example a person old enough like the example Christ/Eunuch showed before they were baptised No WAY will a baby at birth understand repentance and to baptise the significance is one turns from sin and has an answer to a good conscience baptise symbolically dying to sin and raises with Christ(complete immersion)No account of babies being baptised.
---Carla5754 on 5/4/08


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International Church of christ is I.C.O.C.,that is where the Church of christ broke from & started their own. the "mother"church is the ICOC, & I donot know if they practice this or not,but the searchengine online can help
---candice on 5/2/08


Baptism is a sacrament or Rite of the living NOT the dead.that is why it is administered at Birth mainly
---Emcee on 5/15/07


Elders answer says it all!!!!
---Mima on 1/4/07


To baptise the dead is to waist your time because the Bible says "the dead know nothing"
---wayne_jones on 1/3/07


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Baptized for the dead? 1 Corinthians 15:29->Romans 6:3-11; --> Acts 8:36-37-->Acts 10:47? Acts 15:8-9--> Acts 11:15-17: Acts 8:37 -> 1 John 4:15;1 John 5:1-13 = God is the Bearer of a born again person's name in the Book of Eternal Life and comes with the person, as the Witness: Acts 10:47?
---Bob on 2/26/06


Some in early church did so for believing Jews who didnt live to see the crucifixion and resurrection. 1Cor15:29Otherwise, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why then are they baptized for them? Not applicable after that generation though or even necessary then. LDS have no problem ignoring scripture when convenient, so its odd they locked onto this verse until you understand what they think of incomplete and corrupted scripture and LDS revelation.
---david9769 on 12/17/05


Baptism for the dead (by Proxy) was an event that the Mormon church taught and charged money for to perform.
That should tell you something.
If baptism doesn't save the living what good would it do the dead?
Think these things through.
---Elder on 9/22/05


Scripturally if you want to baptise a dead person you should pray that the Lord raise him from the dead, then once alive if he accepts the Lord go on with baptism. How can you baptise by proxy if each person must choose for themselves? Once dead their choice has already been made.
---chera on 9/11/05


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What would be the purpose of baptising the dead? Baptizm is an external testimony of an internal event. Also a promise that as Christ was risen from the dead, the Christian will also rise from the dead. There would be no reason to baptize the dead based on Romans 6:5-7
---WIVV on 9/11/05


I'm not sure, but baptism is simply an act of obedience. We are commanded in the Word to be baptized AFTER we have made a committment to Christ (accepted Him as our Savior and Lord). This is impossible for infants or the dead. Those of us who have made the choice to follow Christ should also follow His example of being baptized. This is a conscious choice that we make and, in doing so, show the world we have chosen to follow Jesus.
---Crystal on 9/9/05


That is unbiblical... As Jesus Christ was baptized by John the Baptist in Jordan river
Matthew 3:13....so it means God is looking for living person not the dead.
---madel on 9/9/05


I do know the Mormon's beleive in baptising for those who have died by being the dead person's poxy. But this is not biblical.. They will baptise as a poxy for the dead person's. to assure the dead person will go to heaven.The dead doesn't have to be related to a poxy either.
---fran9397 on 9/9/05


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