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Who Is The Antichrist

Who is the antichrist? One person or a group of people claiming to be christians?

Moderator - Great question. Some say we are living in the church age and there have been many antichrists. Some would say the one world church movement back to Rome. Still most believe he is a future person during the last 7 years.

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Bob (echad): Would a Catholic Priest insisting that sins be confessed to him rather than Jesus or to Mary rather than Jesus be Anti [In Place of] Christ?

Would claiming the power to forgive sins by the Roman Pontiff be [In Place of] Christ?
---SeventhSeal on 10/23/07

Anti-Christ is *one specific individual, a spirit [of anti-Christ], and has been/is now, different groups of people & individuals used by satan, the former & fallen Lucifer of the 'original' creation.

Anything or anyone who opposes, or are against The Christ Of The Living God Of All Creation, "The Great I Am That I Am" God!
---bob_[Echad]_6749 on 10/23/07

The Antichrist===Describes a particular individual or a group of people who oppose God and His purpose. In the NT the antichrist were human teachers who had left the church. They denied the incarnation and Christ's deity. [1 John 4:3] False teachers are not inspired by the Spirit as they claim. The trues knows God, and will recognize and willingly accept the word of the Apostles for what it really is, the word of God. [1 Thess. 2-13].
---catherine on 10/22/07

StevnG: Please Stop defending Antichrist and please mind your own business as I am showing Andrea something:

I am teaching Andrea a lesson about Grace. She thinks that once you are granted Grace you are free to commit the sin again, again, again...

I am illustrating the Hypocrisy with wich she treats God with Hypocrisy. are forgiven. "So go and sin no more"
---SeventhSeal on 10/22/07

Someone told me the JWs have set a date again. Has anyone else heard this?

they probably have figured out that they need to do something to increase membership.
It doesn't seem to hurt any of these cults to be wrong.
---Andrea on 9/28/07

SeventhSeal: Instead of twisting things around (like you do with wisdom and knowledge), how about just a simple "I'm sorry, I won't do it again" to Andrea and leave it at that.
---Steveng on 9/26/07

Angrya: You granted me Grace calling you Angrya. I dont understand? ((feigning shock))

Perhaps now you know How God feels when you trample upon His Commandments preaching "10Commandments Done Away!"

You cant forgive Me for calling you Angrya because I have not fully Repented of it. If I had fully repented then I would have stopped

God cant forgive you for trampling His 4th Commandment and the others you ignore because you have not fully repented either. Willful Sin remains.
---SeventhSeal on 9/26/07

7th - I try to ignore your rudeness. It seems to be all you know.

I even thought of calling you a 'whitehead' but decided it wasn't nice.
---Andrea on 9/25/07

SeventhSeal: "Stvng:..."

My name is Steveng, but to you it's Mr. Steveng.
---Steveng on 9/25/07

Stvng: She granted me grace to call her Angrya..whats your problem? She herself said we are not under Law but under Grace :)

Read Bible cover to cover multiple times. Try it :)
Man's name is his title. Ceasars chose names adding to 666. Papacy did too. Hating truth would change if theyd accept Holy Spirit in the Temple instead of thier god Pope


ROMITH = 666
---SeventhSeal on 9/25/07

SeventhSeal: You are like a child having a heart of stone. And stiffnecked as not to learn truth.

First, her name is Andrea, not angrya. Only children rename someone like you do to poke fun at. Although I don't agree with 90% of what Andrea believes, I don't call her names.

Second, Hebrew numbers are not what you believe they are, 666.

Third, Your number "666" is the name of a man, not his title.

I believe you should take a year Sabbatical and read the entire Bible.
---Steveng on 9/24/07

Lorra: I made none of those titles up. I stand in good company with Luther, Wesley, Williams, Calvin and every Protestant Reformer.

The Popes chose the titles specific to add to 666 in the tradition of the Ceasars of whom they obtained the seat. "The Dragon" of whom "he obtained his seat and great authority"

Lorra you are in denial.
---SeventhSeal on 9/24/07

Jesus' Bride is a Pure Woman in White: A Church. So who's the Church given in Rev17:5 "MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT"?

*Church Sits on a Kingdom (Beast) v.3
*Church City on 7 Hills v.9
*Church City ruled Kings v.18
*Mother Church v.5
*Has Harlot daughters v.5
*Scarlet/Crimson Robes v.4
*Drunk with Martyrs blood v.6
*Church City very wealthy v.4 (Rev14:8)
*A Golden Cup (Communion) v.4
*Filthy Cup of false doctrine v.4

Come Out of Her My People" Rev18:4
---SeventhSeal on 9/24/07

Angrya: JW have thier own Bible and like you ignore certain scriptures twist others to mean spiritual things where physical things are declared

Why do you Deny the Law and Testimony? Why refuse to Keep Gods Commandments? You preach overt lawlessness. At least many Catholics are sincere when they attempt to Keep the Commandments not realizing the Papacy changed them by no Commandment of Scripture

You honor the Papacy by Keeping Sunday rather than Biblical 7th Day Jesus and the Apostles kept
---SeventhSeal on 9/24/07

SeventhSeal, making up titles for a man so you can call him the Anti-Christ is not a very Christian thing to do.

If you want to know what the official titles for the Pope are, go to an official Catholic website.
---lorra8574 on 9/24/07

StevenG: The Pope is a Man and His Number is 666

The Pope's Official Titles:

No twisting of Scripture here, Just denial on your part.
---SeventhSeal on 9/24/07

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MikeM: Believing in your plagiarizing can cost you your eternal life.
---Steveng on 9/23/07

jana - I'll be more careful not to do that in the future

why would it bother you if I site Ellen White?
---Andrea on 9/22/07

Maitreya = AntiChrist, (Son of Perdition) His spokesman today is Ben Crem, in England. He was born in 1979 in England, he is living in the desert in Egypt. He will be revealed as the beast on his 30th birthday in Jerusalum by mass media, net, radio, etc. His seductive 'charm' will be his rhetoric, sporting more charisma than anyone in history. Most religions, Islam, Hundu, and Christian will assent to him. He is the beast.
---MikeM on 9/22/07

The beasts whole evil council will consist of 12, Two are relevant here. To control the RCC the maitreya's(Antichrist) right hand man will be 'Peter of Rome' the next and last Pope, also known as the 'Dark pope." Even some Catholics know of this. To control the protestants his left hand man will be "Jos Luis de Jess Miranda." Jose luis has, himself claimed this to be true. The rest of his 'council,' to control the economic world, the Hindu, etc world have not been yet revealed.
---MikeM on 9/22/07

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Andrea: there u go again preaching EGW. You are the one uplifting her not SDAS..tell us, what was it that she pulled out of the Word of God here and seems you know more about it than SDAs..oh hollier than thou
---jana on 9/21/07

SeventhSeal: The Pope's Official Titles:

That's twisting the word of God around. The numbers add up to the name of a man, not the title. Besides, the numbers in Hebrew is quit a bit different than our numbering system.
---Steveng on 9/21/07

JWs use the Bible - a little twist here or there - take a few scriptures, pull them out and build a doctrine. Ellen white did this and formed the 7th day adventists. J Smith uses the bible - do you ever debate them -THEY swear they use the whole bible.

The difference is the cults all judge everyone else as lacking in some spiritual insight that they have. If anyone says come over here - don't go. Jesus is as near as a prayer.
He is not a denomination, an ideaology or a doctrine - He is God
---Andrea on 9/21/07

To ---SeventhSeal this statement is not correct as of this time."
Jody: The Pope "Sits in the temple of God showing himself that he is God" the reason this statement is not correct it simply because there is no Jewish Temple at this time. When Antichrist signs a seven-year peace pact with many he will at that time you permission to the Jews to rebuild the Temple. It is that Temple that the Antichrist will sit down and show himself to be God.
---Mima on 9/21/07

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Steve: We are to discern. I discern You do not hold the Word of God in high esteem

The Catholic Church does not hold the Word of God in high esteem so it is easy for her to mingle little Christianity with Pagansim that you yourself agree she pursues

I'll "Keep the Commandments of God and the Faith of Jesus"
"To the Law and the Testimony if they speak not according to this word it is becasue there is no light in them"

I discern, warning that JUDGEMENT is Coming.
---SeventhSeal on 9/21/07

Jody: The Pope "Sits in the temple of God showing himself that he is God"

The Pope's Official Titles:

The Man who Kept the Covenant for 3.5 years was Jesus and "He was Cutoff in the midst of the week but not for Himself..causing Sacrifice to cease"Dan9:27 ...The other 3.5 yrs were Kept with Apostles "Preaching First in all of Judea for a witness"

ALL Protestant Reformers taught this.
---SeventhSeal on 9/21/07

Emcee: SDAs follow the Bible Only. Go to thier Website. They list thier Beliefs and Reference Many Bible Passages Proving Each One. They follow Scripture rather than men.
---SeventhSeal on 9/21/07

Angrya: Thank You so much for granting me Grace!
---SeventhSeal on 9/21/07

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SeventhSeal: "steveng: Your research means nothing... Do that and get back to me."

You're judging someone that you do not know. I did my research during the 1970s of most religions in the world.

The Question is...

Can you put aside your worldly knowledge, your concordances, your novels, your reference materials and only depend upon the Holy Spirit for your knowledge? If not, you only have worldly knowledge, but deny God's power to work through you.
---Steveng on 9/20/07

SeventhSeal: "EVERY SDA DOCTRINE IS backed 100% by Multiple Scriptures."

Buddism, Hinduism, Judaism, Sikhism, Taoism, Islam and all the other -isms and cults (including Wicca) in the world share some common ground with Christianity - 100% by multiple scriptues! How do you think the RCC is spearheading the promotion toward worldwide unity or cooperation of all religions includingIslam and wicca?
---Steveng on 9/20/07

While the spirit of antichrist along with false prophets and false teachers have been with us for 2000 Yrs, I believe that the Bible is clear that there is ONE who will rise to power and will do signs and wonders and even call himself God. He will cause everyone to be killed that do not take the mark,666. People without the mark will be unable to but or sell. He will have complete power for 3 1/2yrs. then will be tormented.
---jody_martin on 9/20/07

Not a problem Harpie hahahha
---Andrea on 9/20/07

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Sealy::Every SDA doctrine is backed 100% by Multiple sclerosis?(scripture) Really seally.It dosent even mention SDA,unless you want to use CinDYs Save DA???(meaning dem all)jest a little light heartedness but it aint in DA Book.Some people worship in strange ways -Dat is not to be used as an opening!!
---Emcee on 9/20/07

7th-when I'm wrong point it out.
---Andrea on 9/20/07

Andrea: Will you please give me grace for calling you Angrya before?

You really have no idea what you are talking about regarding SDAs. EVERY SDA DOCTRINE IS backed 100% by Multiple Scriptures.

I choose the Bible over the vain philosophy of men.
---SeventhSeal on 9/20/07

lisa, No house of idolatry includes the house of God. The roman religion has martyrd many Chritian saints, and even killed the holy Lamb of God.
---Eloy on 9/20/07

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The vain philosophies of men have no merit.
---SeventhSeal on 9/19/07

You wouldn't have a church without your philosophies of man/woman

if you read your bible w/out Ellen you'd be a christian....understanding the work of the cross and not in bondage to her teachings
---Andrea on 9/19/07

steveng: Your research means nothing.

My research comparing the Bible to SDA doctrine means everything. It matches Scripture.

The vain philosophies of men have no merit.
In your "Study" did you examine the Hebrew, Chaldean, and Greek from which the bible Translations are based. I have.

Do that and get back to me.
---SeventhSeal on 9/19/07

AllenUK: I agree. I should not be purposefully offensive. Sometimes I do it to get them to think about the spirit that they are projecting. I shall endeavor to do better. Thanks.
---SeventhSeal on 9/19/07

The House of God includes the Catholic Church.Twisted thoughts here are quite strange-full of deception. I & many people worshiping God in Catholic churchs have had our prayers answered. God hears us. My prayers have been answered-Miracles and all. Communion is with the Lord-for the Lord-about the Lord ALWAYS.I shared my blog expereince at my prayer group yesterday. We prayed that people who call themselves Christians will stop the division-come together and unite under The Almighty Lord God.
---Lisa on 9/19/07

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Andrea: Forgive you of what? Typically when one asks for forgiveness they confess what they did, express remorse for doing it?

What sins would you like to be forgiven of?

I am sorry I called you "Angrya" and that it offended you and got your goat. Please give me grace?
---SeventhSeal on 9/19/07

My answer is he is a future person during the last 7 years. My reason for believing this is Revelation 13:18,"Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the NUMBER OF A MAN, and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."
---Mima on 9/19/07

Lisa: You claim Catholic and claim none of the things Catholics teach

Read a Bible?
Did Jesus flip over tables call them Hypocrites? Notice Elijah mocking false prophets of baal? Was he UnChristian or showing people what false teachers represent
Dont deny scripture in one breath and then say "oh please only say pleasing sweet smooth things to me while I'm playing in the middle of a busy freeway" If you get injured by the poison in those sweet smooth things it will be your own fault
---SeventhSeal on 9/19/07

When I get insulted - it makes me stop- reread what they say and pray in earnest for us both to come to an understanding.

I've been pickibng at 7th too

trying to provoke a little in-depth evaluation of why he believes with the hope that in the search he'll see Jesus

your forgiven 7th - do you forgive me?
---Andrea on 9/19/07

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for a believer who as faith in Jesus our Lord, to attack another fellow Christian
Jesus brings mercy, love and compassion.
something that most of us forget and can't comprehend.
Convert the atheists the non believer...but thank God for all who Love Him and claim it and confess it!
---Lisa on 9/19/07

7th ... Yes I do see some humour in the names you call people ... but you know, some of the names you create for them do seem rather offensive, and unless you mean to give offense, you should be very careful when you chose the names
---alan_of_UK on 9/19/07

SeventhSeal (to Andrea): "You need to apologize."

Did Jesus apologize when He called people names? Distroyed the vendors tables? Called people hypocrites?

Remember the Bible verse, "Sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me."

As for the Adventists, search for yourself both sides of the coin, not just your side, before you damn someone. My research of major religions during the 1970s confirm that this religion preaches false doctrine.
---Steveng on 9/18/07

Name-calling, no matter who is doing it, is a sign of an uncouth character and is unbecoming for anyone claiming to be a Christian. Follow our Lord's example.
---djconklin on 9/18/07

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Andrea: 6th, LOL! How about 7thHARPSeal since I seem to you to harp on the need to Keep the Commandments?

What is the 6th Seal by the way?
---SeventhSeal on 9/18/07

Andrea: Angels record your war against "Those who Keep the Commandments of God and have the Testimony of Jesus"
Gods Commandments include the 4th you break for convenience to man. Youve been shown your sin, refuse repentance but rather cast doubts upon Gods Commandment Keeping saints: such is the Spirit of Antichrist. You dont Keep Gods Commandments yet war against those who do
Now you feign peace?
Angels record: justify your obstinance or repent. The Books will show paths you took.
---SeventhSeal on 9/18/07

6th what bothered you so much? The recording angels.

IQ - you know the wisdom of man - so unimpressed. We probably agree on many things but on your saying that I get to be damned for attending church on Sunday and then deny that is what your church teaches is "DISINGENUOUS" as usual

now before you answer remember the recording angel knows the thoughts and intents of your heart
---Andrea on 9/17/07

Andrea: You are the one here making overt insults. Please read your Bible and stop lying about SDAs. You are not very Christian like in your stating of half truths, misquoted scripture and lack of kindness in your words. You have insulted SDAs for weeks now. Your words show that you are either not a Christian or are simply a very ignorant woman. Perhaps both. You need to apologize.
---SeventhSeal on 9/17/07

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Angrya: Nothing subtle about it. I change the names to identify the spirits behind them by associating them with thier characteristics. A little touchy arent you? LOL!

Why are you always so mad?
Another seems empty of the Spirit. A bit strong I know but on the mark.
Another is a foreigner, an alien.
And you forgot Leer.

Lighten up, its funny. Even Allen_UK saw the humor. The ones that get mad typically have issues to overcome.

Didn't see anyone change your name to Cephas.
---SeventhSeal on 9/17/07

Andrea: Adventist are those who wait on the glorious Second Advent of Jesus. Why do you hate the Second Coming of Jesus Christ so much? Is it because you have secret sins that you cling to?

Have you read Great Controversy? No, Or you would know how every Founder of Every Protestant Denomination stood for the Bible and named the Papacy Antichrist. But you will not read Great Contoversy because you won't even read your Bible.
---SeventhSeal on 9/17/07

Andrea: I researched the SDA Church. They are wonderful caring Christians "Who Keep the Commandments of God and the Faith of Jesus" Many hate them because they hold a standard defying the world.
Patriarchs and Prophets by EG White spurred me to read the Bible to prove her wrong. I hold over 50 Patents in Science, and Patriarchs and Prophets agreed with Scripture. White inspired me to read the Entire Bible, now multiple times

If she denied Scripture I would have found it.
---SeventhSeal on 9/17/07

Andrea: "The Son of Perdition" is given to two entities in the Scriptures. 1a. Judas: came from within the believers. 2a. Pretended to serve Jesus. 3a. Betrayed Jesus with outward piety.

The Other "Son of perdition" is the "Man of Sin" 1b. Pope: came from within the believers. 2b. Pretended to serve Jesus. 3b. Betrayed Jesus with outward piety.

Taking worship and intercessory power upon himself rather than shepherding others to Christ for this salvation.
---SeventhSeal on 9/17/07

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7th - your always trying to subtly insult people are you sure you want to be like that. For someone so stuck in legalism I'd think you would try to at least 'put on' a religious front. Adria, empty, alien - your mouth exposes your heart - your a sinner like the rest of us. Oh who will save you from this body of sin and death?
If it were not for grace you'd be lost - thanks be to Jesus.
Ellen's angels are recording you.....
---Andrea on 9/17/07

7th - your always trying to subtly insult people are you sure you want to be like that. For someone so stuck in legalism I'd think you would try to at least 'put on' a religious front. Adria, empty, alien - your mouth exposes your heart - your a sinner like the rest of us. Oh who will save you from this body of sin and death?
If it were not for grace you'd be lost - thanks be to Jesus.
Ellen's angels are recording you.....
---Andrea on 9/17/07

Andrea, you said "I do not see Jesus Christ or what He taught in Adventists." Yet, you say you have links to Amazing Facts. How could you miss Jesus? Have you seen the new home page? The title says "God's Message is our Mission." Yet, anyone can "claim" legitimacy. Proof is how well they line up with God's word. Adventism is more in line with Jesus than those who teach cheap grace (living by grace/presumption in willful disobedience).
---Geoff on 9/17/07

Matthew 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least Commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
---Geoff on 9/17/07

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1)GC - Great Controversy
BOM - book of mormon

the time of the Millerites was a time of extended religious confusion. It birthed many heresies in all denominations as well as special religions
christian science (Eddy)

I understand the times and the end times revelations "God pouring out His Spirit) I do not see Jesus Christ or what He taught in adventists.
---Andrea on 9/17/07

2)In fact I believe it to be anti-christ in as much as it focuses on self improvement and not redemption through Christ alone.
Please I am not trying to insult you - read the adventists that have 'come out' they have a good grasp of the fruit of adventism.

I research expentecostals and have found it enlightening. Just a view of what to look out for and a firmer grip on what and how I believe.
---Andrea on 9/17/07

AlienUK: Truth is only poison to Antichrist.

Do you Worship Mary instead of the Creator also?
---SeventhSeal on 9/17/07

Andrea, I might be slow, but I'm sure... FYI, I did discover what BOM is. But I miss the relationship to GC. Care to explain for a slow guy?
---Geoff on 9/16/07

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pre-radiation is what you get if you show up for radiation early

the son of perdition is
perdition (pr-dshn)
a. Loss of the soul, eternal damnation.
---Andrea on 9/16/07

Daniel & John say he is a man,
a man that shall rise to power thru
peace and will decieve many,
and he will rise from the rebirth of the roman empire,"the E.U", the 10 toes or 10 horns depending on what book your reading.
he will rule for 7 yrs. 3 1/2 yrs. of utter terror!
---Duane on 9/16/07

Margaret: "The antichrist will become clear to all believers when it is his time."

On the contrary, many believers will not recognize the antichrist for even the elect will be fooled, if that were possible.
---Steveng on 9/16/07

BoldnessInChrist: "America: Look at Yourself when Studying Revelations!..."

Didn't God instruct Israel to do the same to cleanse the territory God gave them as a gift?
---Steveng on 9/16/07

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7th ... Please put your poison back in the bottle
---alan_of_UK on 9/16/07

Not one person living today that will recognize the antichrist, save the elect (they wouldn't even recognize Jesus if he were walking the earth). What are some of the characteristics and powers that this person: He's a dynamic and charismatic individual, appears to be a savior of humanity, attempts to pass himself off as the true Christ (in which the Jews will believe), is one of his most cleaver deceptions of all time. Pray you are worthy to see through the antichrist's deception.
---Steveng on 9/16/07

that was reponse to 7th seal not helen.
What are u talking about helen?
I was speaking of the end times anti-christ etc..what he was referring to.
---Lisa on 9/16/07

Lisa - ("The Son of Preradiation") -- The son of what? Sorry, but I was drinking my tea when I read that! I am ok though! :-)
---Helen_5378 on 9/15/07

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The Blessed Mother of my Lord is not god or goddess..
7th seal.
Christians worship God the eternal Father , Jesus Christ His only begotten Son, the Holy Spirit. The Trinity.
Mary is not to be worshiped, but honored.

The Son of Preradiation is not in place yet. If it in deed becomes the Pope, the Catholic people are already informed not to follow him.
---Lisa on 9/15/07

Lisa: Either You Worship Jesus or Mary. You are either with Christ or antichrist

RCC's want this "bickering" to stop because it IDENTIFIES HER as EVERY FOUNDER of EVERY PROTESTANT DENOMINATION Called HER.

Yet the Mother of Harlots has daughters and the churches of the reformers have sold themselves to ecumenicalism and "cant we all just get a long". Very Sweet and deadly as poison...Just like Judas and Son of Perdition sitting so pious in Rome pretending to follow Jesus
---SeventhSeal on 9/14/07

So all Christians will need to band together and stop bickering over denominations.
You are either for Christ or against Him.
You either Love Him or you hate Him.
Before we attack other fellow Chrisitians, we need to be clear of this.
I love the Lord and I am for Him.
---Lisa on 9/14/07

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